Mitch McConnell confronted outside restaurant: “We know where you live”
#TheResistance is losing. So expect them to get even more unhinged throughout #ResistanceSummer.
This summer is #ResistanceSummer, and it’s already getting hot with attempts to intimidate and attack Trump administration officials, Republicans, and Trump supporters.
Here are some of the incidents we’ve covered just in the past three weeks:
NY Man Arrested After Threatening To Kill Trump Supporters at Republican Congressman’s Campaign HQ
Man Rips MAGA Hat Off Teen’s Head in Restaurant, Throws Drink in His Face
Vandals Smashed Nebraska GOP’s Office Windows, Painted ABOLISH ICE on Sidewalk
Suspect Arrested for Threatening to Kill FCC Chairman Ajit Pai’s Children
Elaine Chao, Mitch McConnell Accosted by Immigration Protesters
Protestors Surround Sr. White House Advisor Stephen Miller’s Apartment
DHS Issues Safety Warnings After Official Found Burned Animal Carcass on Porch
Florida AG Pam Bondi Accosted By Protestors At Tampa Movie Theater
Sarah Sanders Kicked Out of Virginia Restaurant Because She Works For Trump
#TheResistance crosses another line, confronts DHS Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen at home
“Justice-minded” Website Doxes Sr. White House Advisor Stephen Miller
DC Socialist Group Chases DHS Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen Out of a Restaurant Shouting, “Shame!”
None of this is coincidence. There is active encouragement of such intimidation from politicians like Maxine Waters, Uncivil war declared: Rep. Maxine Waters calls on #TheResistance to find and confront Trump officials:
Maxine Waters calls for attacks on Trump administration: "If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them, and you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere." pic.twitter.com/jMV7wk48wM
— Ryan Saavedra (@RealSaavedra) June 24, 2018
These calls for intimidation are all over the mainstream cable media:
Even the NY Times Editorial Board is calling for Democrats and progressives to go all “Godfather” on Trump and Republicans.
Now it’s happened again to Mitch McConnell, the Courier-Journal reports (emphasis added):
A group of protesters confronted Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell on Bardstown Road in Louisville Saturday, calling out “Abolish ICE,” before adding they know where he lives.
McConnell was out to lunch with Kentucky’s outgoing House Majority Floor Leader Jonathan Shell, who was upset in his May primary. Shell confirmed the two had lunch, calling the protesters “a small group of extremists.”
The interaction was captured on video and shared with Courier Journal.
In it, someone asks McConnell, “Where are the children? Where are the babies, Mitch?” — an apparent reference to the separation of children from families at the southern U.S. border.
“What are you doing to get the babies back?” someone asks in the clip.
McConnell, wearing a green shirt tucked into blue jeans, isn’t shown reacting or responding to the protesters. He walks past a sign for Bristol Bar & Grille, turns a corner and gets into a vehicle.
Before he gets into the car, someone can be heard saying, “We know where you live.”
Shell called the remark a “not-so-subtle threat right out of the Maxine Waters playbook,” adding that it was “very distasteful.”
A group of Louisville residents, including several @DemSocialists members, had a message for Mitch McConnell as he left a local restaurant today. Powerful people like Mitch deserve no peace while they enable the imprisonment of babies in concentration camps. #AbolishICE pic.twitter.com/ruCXhbnKse
— Louisville DSA ? (@dsa_louisville) July 7, 2018
The “we know where you live” line clearly was a threat:
#TheResistance is losing. So expect them to get even more unhinged throughout #ResistanceSummer.
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The left cannot stop vomiting how immature and un-presidential Trump is. Meanwhile, is he advocating anyone do what the left says to do to him and his supporters? No.
Double Meanwhile, is the right pushing back after these assaults? I’ve read of no counter-assaults. All of this is one-sided.
I am so sick of these people and I do not condone unwarranted violence, but I will gladly cheer when they cross a line and are finally smacked down hard. Also when their asses are handed to them in the voting booth again this fall.
Wonder who the hippo in the red shirt waddling behind is.
Probably an illegal from Mexico.
I see a picture of Nicole Wallace in the story. Didn’t she play a Republican in the McCain campaign when she wasn’t busy leaking dirt on Sarah Palin?
“What are you doing to get the babies back?”
Sounds like somebody’s agitating to speed up the deportation process. Sounds good to me.
Deport them, adults to east end and children to west end of Mexico.
“Give them to Planned Parenthood… Why?”
Evidently no Democrats who matter remember ’68.
Too bad someone in McConnell’s party didn’t scan their faces and then say, “Now, not only will we know where you live but a whole lot more about each and every one of you!”
Publish wanted ads, dead or alive.
I haven’t been able to stomach McTurtle since he became majority leader. No spine to do the right thing. But I would never harass him out in public.
The GOPe swine is reaping what he’s helped sown.
Couldnt happen to a bigger rat.
The GOPe swine is reaping what he’s helped sown.
Couldnt happen to a bigger rat.
I know these Leftist pay little attention to the Constitution but let me offer a little suggestion:
There’s this thing called the “advice and consent clause” which says (to paraphrase) “[Trump] shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint…Judges of the supreme Court,..”
So in your zeal to “abolish ICE” (oh, brother,…there’s a great idea, huh?), it might not be a good idea to antagonize the Senate Majority Leader who can do a lot to ram through Trump’s forthcoming nominee.
Real bright, these folks.
I was wondering if anyone here was going to connect the dots. This profile in courage was physical intimidation of an elderly polio survivor. I do not expect things to get any more polite from here on out.
CNN reporter mocks Mitch McConnell for needing help with stairs, not realizing he survived polio
I await Milhouse and his apologetics for these douchebags. Preview: “This mere freedom of speech when they do it, but terroristic fantasy violence when we propose responding in kind.
Yes, you liar, this is free speech, and you will not find one person who knows anything about the first amendment to say otherwise. But you do not propose responding in kind, you propose murdering them and their families. That’s still free speech, since you’re only fantasizing about it, not seriously threatening to actually do it, but it’s vile, disgusting speech, which would get you kicked off any blog with standards. (As would any use of the ugly non-word “cuck” as an insult. But the only standard I know this blog has is no rape jokes; anything else seems to be just fine.)
The two of them should run together – away from here.
Though they’re probably already on board for “hillary in 2020”
He did not say we should do it, nor did he make a true threat in the legal sense to do it, which is why I have not accused him of that. He did openly fantasize about doing it himself.
Unlike you, I do not have a searchable database of Fen’s comments. What do you expect me to do, keep an archive of these things?! Rags called him on it when he expressed these vile fantasies, and neither you nor any of the moderators did a thing about it. If you really gave a d*mn, if you really had any standards, you’d look through his œuvre now and you’d soon find an example or three. He was blatant about it. But you don’t, because you’re consumed with your feud with Rags, in which neither of you is doing themselves any favors.
“No racism”? There’s been a fair bit of it recently. Some from commenters I suspect to be mobys (e.g. JohnSmith), but not all of it.
“Be a civil human being”?! FineReport, Fen, and that whole poisonous alt-right crew have not been that since they showed up here. Using “cuck” as an insult is not being a civil human being. Making the most vile accusations against people with absolutely no foundation in fact, just because they have political views we disagree with, is not being a civil human being. Peddling insane hate-filled conspiracy theories is not being a civil human being.
Milhouse, you are so off-the-rails, I can’t even.
Obviously, you feel cornered here. That was not at all my intention! I just wanted to get to the bottom of this claim that Fen was threatening to harm people; we do not condone that here, and we report serious threats to the proper authorities. My aim was to find out if we had a problem here in terms of someone advocating violence against persons, especially children. This is a VERY serious allegation, and if such threats are made on our pages, we need to know and follow the appropriate procedure. That’s all I was about.
I am stunned by your vitriolic response. Seriously gob-smacked.
I’m worried about actual crimes, and you are whinging on about someone calling someone else a “cuck”? I have no words.
Okay. I’m getting it now . . . . You are completely unhinged because . . . um, someone said “cuck”? I’m not even sure anyone has, but so the hell what? I am so sorry and take back every statement I made about believing in you and trusting you.
I am under no obligation to search LI comments for death threats that clearly don’t exist. If they did, you’ve have the links. Stop being a crazy person, Milhouse. You are making an allegation, so you need to provide evidence. Period. Do you really expect us to waste our time searching for something that may never have happened? What is wrong with you? You claim something was said, and you now seem to be upset that we are not willing to go through years of comments to find out what you mean. You know that’s nuts. If you have allegation, substantiate it. If not, you cannot continue to state that Fen said something you have no proof he said.
That’s it. Stop being a lunatic.
You’re a nut, Milhouse.
Fuzzy, how many times do I have to say that Fen did not make a true threat, before you get it? There is nothing to report to the authorities. Even if he’d advocated murder, that would be protected speech. But what he did was fantasize about murder, which is protected but disgusting and ought to get him banned.
My response is not “vitriolic” but reasoned and explained. Fen made these comments. You can easily verify it, but refuse to do so. Instead you seem to have the utterly unreasonable expectation that I should have kept links against the day I might need them. Who does that? Nobody. And how could I possibly find them now? I can’t. But you can do it very easily indeed, so on being informed, by someone you claimed to trust, that the comments exist, you should have immediately looked for them and you would have found them.
The way I would go about it, if I had access, would be to search for comments by Rags, in response to Fen, which contain the string “murder”, and for each of them then call up the immediately previous comment. You should find the relevant ones fairly quickly. (If your only access is the WordPress dashboard it will be a little longer than that, but you can still find the relevant comments fairly quickly, whereas I can’t.)
As for Fen’s use of “cuck”, it’s right above, for crying out loud. If you claim that the rule here is to be a civil human being, how does using that term comply with this? And what about the rest of it? Making vile and defamatory accusations against people with no foundation, just because they’re on the left (or even the wrong right); how is that being a civil human being? How is peddling insane conspiracy theories being a civil human being? And what about the casual racism that some of these alt-righters sling around as if it were perfectly normal?
Hmmm, okay, Milhouse, this helps shed light on the issue, but why on earth would you pile on a Rags fabrication when you have to admit later that it’s just crap?
It’s a relief of sorts, but you did not fair well here. Rags is just Rags, and no one really cares what he thinks; people like to poke him with a stick now and then, to hear him roar (or whimper), but that’s about it. You, we once cared to hear from, but to be honest, this is not your finest hour.
You can’t claim that someone said something and then come back later and “repeatedly” say they didn’t say what you said they said. You know that Fen never made threats against anyone, but for some unknown reason, you chose that hill on which to stake your fallacious foundation.
As to the rest of your crazy, let’s just leave the crap about racism and the dangers of the alt-right alone. You already look dumb enough without rubbing these into the mix, right?
I can’t believe you would falsely accuse someone of threatening the life of another, of children!, without any proof or substance. Honestly, I can’t think of anything more vile (at least in today’s America).
I used to think you were better than Rags, but it appears you are two peas in a pod. Sad.
But I’ll be over it an hour or so, you two are stuck being disgusting, vile human beings falsely accusing people of felonies. Yay! Team RagsHouse! You go! In no time at all, you’ll have innocent people locked up based on little more than your lies! Wooot!!!
Talk about spiraling into crazy. Even if I had links to Fen’s murder fantasies at my fingertips, did you expect me both to see your demand and to respond to it in 16 minutes?!
You asked for the link at 1:26, and at 1:42 you shrilly demanded to know why I hadn’t yet responded.
As I explained above, you have the means to find the relevant comments fairly quickly; I don’t. You can’t seriously expect me to have kept an archive of them handy.
No, I don’t expect an archive; however, if you are claiming that something was said, I do expect you to be able to prove it. I can’t believe that you made these accusations and impugned the character of a fellow LI reader without any evidence or any proof at all.
If you accuse someone of a (potential) crime, you need to support that with evidence. And yes, Milhouse, threatening to kill people and their children is a crime. Maybe in your jurisdiction it’s not?
You have accused someone of a very serious crime and have zero evidence with which to support it. How dare you speciously make such a claim and then suggest I am the one who has to prove or disprove it. I’m truly shocked. I thought you were better than that, Milhouse.
But yeah, let’s carry on with the fantasy that Fen threatened to kill people, including children, and you sat back and waited for some blogger named “Fuzzy Slippers” to report death threats directed at adults and children to the proper authorities.
What is it, Milhouse? Fen threatened to kill people, including children, or he didn’t? If he did, and your response was to try to discredit and diminish him in LI comments, what is wrong with you? How can you know that someone threatened to kill children and NOT report it to proper authorities (i.e. not to random people who comment on a blog)? What is wrong with you?
You know what? Don’t answer. What a horror show you are. Imagine if your lies destroyed a person’s life, even landed them in prison!? I can’t even think about you right now, I’m just sickened by you.
Funny how you don’t seem to think anyone else needs evidence before accusing our political opponents of the most infamous crimes in history.
But how many times do I have to tell you that Fen’s murder fantasies were not criminal? Seriously threatening to kill people is a crime; advocating it, or fantasizing about it, or making “threats” that no reasonable person would take seriously, are not. I have not accused him of a crime, in fact on multiple occasions I’ve explicitly stated that his comments are protected speech; how do you now accuse me of making such an accusation? Let me turn your own words against you: where is the evidence that I accused him of such a thing? You can’t produce it no matter how thoroughly you search, not because you didn’t archive it but because it doesn’t exist.
But is that your standard?! So long as it’s not a crime, it’s OK here?!
I get you, Milhouse, but I moved from trusting you to not trusting just as quickly as you decided to falsely claim that Fen committed a crime. Funny how that works, right? You go from being a normal human being who seems trustworthy to being a Rags acolyte falsely accusing an innocent man of a quite serious crime. Funny how that might turn people against you, huh? But, yeah, I can see how it would be confusing that I’d decide that a person who would falsely accuse a person of a crime is not worthy of my trust. You chose your path, own it.
I would love to apologize to you, Milhouse, but for that to happen, I have to hear that I have this all wrong. i.e. that you didn’t say that Fen threatened the lives of people, including children. Well, I guess you did say (or at least imply) that, so the thing is that you acknowledge it’s not true. You can’t accuse people of freaking felonies on a whim, Milhouse, and I’m happy for us to make up but not if you think falsely accusing Fen was a good move.
Commenters here are not public figures, and you cannot attack them as if you can’t be touched. You can be, and you know it. Stop with the crazy, Milhouse, it’s not your color.
Milhouse: “By the way, that rant of yours just now is easily as bad as anything Rags has ever written.”
No, not so much. In fact, while I find Rags to be caustic and obnoxious, I think you are the greater perversity.
See, I’ve been reading you carefully for quite some time, because I founs something about your line of reasoning disturbing, though I couldn’t quite put my finger on it. So I looked harder. That’s when I found the pattern, and others help me out here, surely you’ve seen it too (or at least smelled it).
When Jefferson was declaring the list of offenses by the king, taxation without representation, quartering troops etc and everyone else was jumping to their feet with a “Hear! Hear!”, you kept your tush firmly planted on the bench. Afterwards, you rose to use the Law in opposition to Secession and Revolution, calling it illegal unprincipled and immoral
Again in the 1930s, when Gestapo came to take away Goldstein’s daughters to the Rape Rooms, you hid in your study behind the Law. And when your neighbors came out of hiding long afterwards with talk of organizing an ambush (Solzhenitsyn) you found your spine and accused them of conspiring to commit assault and battery on government officials. I vividly remember your voice booming with righteous indignation, from the desk you had been hiding beneath.
Today, here at LI, your pattern repeats itself. You define the Law narrowly to excuse the Marxist Left, and broadly to damn US Marines like myself. It’s almost as if you are a covert agent, a sabatouer, flying under false colors. I thought we shared a common enemy, but you routinely caution and support inaction and feckless passivity in the face of tyranny. Why?
Tort. Nazi Collaborator. Establishment Cuck. I don’t know. But you certainly have these moments of situational ethics where you seem more comfortable kicking back with the Marxist Left. Which is fine here – this should be a safe space for all kinds to gather to discuss and debate ideas. I just ask that you show your true self, be honest with us about who you are.
And be honest about who we are. I do not believe in violence against others, but I’m not a fool either. My points on this matter have always centered around giving the Bully a taste of his own medicine, in order to STOP the violence, not extend it. You distorted that to score a cheap shot. And, despite your righteous pose, too often you only speak out to prevent the victim from punching back.
Looking back, do you not see that? I still haven’t figured you out, I still am unsure if it’s intellectual dishonesty or intellectual cowardice on your part. But I’ve had my fill of it.
And thank you Fuzzy for the defense. I admit to getting hyperbolic, but never meant what he implied. Thanks for treating me with fairness and taking the extra effort to understand me.
No problem, Fen. 🙂
I know you’re not running around killing people and their children, and I cannot abide these lunatic unsubstantiated attacks. I especially can’t stand it when I’m the one who is expected to prove their nutso argument. Have you ever!?
Thanks Fuzzy. He could at least be specific in his accusations, even if he can’t provide links. I think the vagueness is deliberate, either because he is taking Rag’s nonsense on faith or because he knows specificity would not endure scrutiny.
The only remarks I’ve made about children are re Mueller playing hardball by extorting a (false?) confession by threatening to ruin the man’s children (Flynn, I believe). My point was that deep state actors have grown comfortable in the belief that this is all just a game, that they can abuse the justice system without consequence (remember when we once believed the FBI were the good guys?) and that they can run a soft coup and overthrow our legitimate election of President on some trumped up charge, turning us over to tyranny without their corruption following them home to their private lives.
In response to Mueller’s hardball tactics, going after the children of his targets, I pointed out with a rhetorical question: “what is the most effective way to punish a father of two children?”, to underscore that a corrupt prosecutor operating outside the law should not cry foul when his own tactics ate employed against him.
I also stated very clearly that if Mueller was operating within the law, by the book, that not a hair on his head (or his loved ones) should be harmed. In short, if he is acting in good faith and not in corrupt pursuit of a traitorous coup, then political violence in response to his investigation is unacceptable.
Rags and now Milhouse have distorted those remarks to lie about what I said.
TLDR I’m sure. But I thought you at least deserved an explanation for your trouble.
As for you Milhouse, if I’ve misread you, by all means explain yourself more clearly. It’s a courtesy you refused me, and I doubt you will even apologize for your slanderous remarks, but I’ll give you a shot at it.
It took me about an hour to dig these up with the tools at hand, and I’m positive I’ve missed more.
To note: Milhouse tends to be very solid when he states something as a fact, and to be very careful with his words.
Fen, as Milhouse states, does not say legallyt actionable things. As such, they are not felonies, and Milhouse never accused him of such – in fact he explicitly stated that they were not legally actionable.
There’s a lot of things that are written between the lines, though.
Fen: ‘the bastard is still alive. I don’t understand why you won’t mount up. What is it going to take?’
Asura, wht is that statement problematic? This is in response to a leftist thug who ambushed innocent bystanders with lethal force.
I’ve been posing this question to LI staff for a long time now – where is the line where it becomes permissable for a legal insurrection to cross into illegal counter-measures? After they begin shooting conservatives in the streets? After they assassinate our President? Never?
And we’re not even allowed to discuss such a thing?
When did defending our Republic, with violence when absolutely necessary, become problematic?
Take the recent inaguration day riots. All the perps got off, no consequences. The rule of law failed us. Which means they are incentivized to do it again and again.
So the next protest, they police can be pulled back (as they were in LA and Charlotte) and the leftist brownshirts can attack you and your property without consequence. Put you in a hospital bed for the rest of your life simply because you disagree about abortion or gun control or whatever.
What ideas do you have to stop that kind of political violence? My own experience is that the most effective way to stop a bully is to stand up to him. We may disagree, and I’ll grant that there is a broad range of valid opinion on this subject.
But what is not valid is the idea that it’s monstrous to even broach the subject, to support fighting fire with fire.
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?… The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If…if…We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation…. We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago
Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest?
Advocacy of extrajudicial homicide – aka murder. AKA ‘fantasizing about murder’. AKA ginning up a lynch mob.
Eric Clanton has been arraigned on 4 charges of felonious assault with a deadly weapon. His pre-trial date is set for August 8 and has supposedly run out of delaying options.
In what way, Fen, is the rhetorical question “As for Hillary, what is the most effective way to punish a mother?” not problematic?
Now you’re advocating fascism. How strange.
Feel free, of course, to take this to mean that I support the antifa and the left, as you’ve declared Milhouse does.
I just mean that what’s bad for the goose is also bad for the gander.
Congrats on the prediction about Milhouse!
Of course, what the whacko “protesters” did has little bearing on freedom of speech. This is flat-out intimidation with the veiled threat of violence.
I find it a bit sad for Milhouse’s reputation that he apparently supports such tactics, as he never did decry them.
I am of the belief that my rights end where someone else’s rights begin.
And also after reading Milhouse’s meltdown, I would say the difference between Rags and Milhouse is that Milhouse does not use profanity.
“What are you doing to get the babies back?”
These anti-abortion protesters should leave McConnell alone.
Nah. Hopefully they’ll drive te corrupt swine and his equally corrupt wife out of public life, and off to costco hawking lamebrain books alongside klinton.
Coincidentally enough, I drove past Bardstown Road just this morning.
An overwhelming majority of Kentuckians are Staunch Conservatives.
These Vermin are either from Transylvania U or were shipped in.
Who in kentucky keeps voting this rino in?
This is how Germany ended up with the Frei Korps.
Ticking off the guy about to lead the SCOTUS confirmation? (Not to mention recently harassing his wife). These people don’t think things through.
The attacks on McConnell [and administration officials] are a calculated risk by the Left. Given past performance, the GOPe would love to submit and do whatever the Left wants. The thing is, times are a bit different now. If you actually find the point where say McConnell decides that he has been insulted to the point where he might want to resist, it might not turn out so well for the Democrats and their allies.
Imagine? Why is this corrupt swine running the GOP senate?
“We know where you live.” , is a statement of game changing proportions. I’m reminded of the Left’s outrage when James O’Keefe used their own Alinsky playbook to film IRS Lois Lerner at her home. That being said, I am glad that I am rural, have big dogs, and am not the only straight-shooter in the clan 😉 That is a statement at present until “Intimidation” tactics are levied against my domicile. I have always liked the “No Trespassing, survivors will be prosecuted” signs my nearest neighbor has. The Missus sees it as too Koresh like 😉
No Trespassing. Violators will be shot. Survivors will be persecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
No trepassing! I have a pickup, a tarp, a shovel, and friends that I can call at 2AM who will come over without asking why first.
How about “Nothing in here is worth dying for,” Mr. de la Hoya? That’s the compromise we reached here… 😉
I also get pleasure seeing the pictures on the net of the “Pro-2A” signs pointing to the “Anti-2A” neighbors’ homes. Some appear photoshopped while others are not 🙂
The note on the dash of my car states “there is nothing of sufficient value in this car to get you out of the country where you will be safe.”
When my brother was in law school, they had a sign on their front door which stated “premises protected by unconstitutional means and devices.”
You are 100% dead on here. The “I know where you live” can be reasonably construed as an implied threat of violence, not a permissible exercise of free speech. This phrase is made to terrorize the victim.
What surprised me most about this incident was seeing McConnell in jeans, lol.
I just have this image in my mind of some people — always in a suit — even their PJs would be suit-like.
I remember times when Unions that had ongoing demonstrations that defied court ordered cessation placed against them and would not stop, had their Union and its leadership held accountable with very expensive fines/penalties and incarceration. This sure like like the kind of Brown, Black, and Red Shirt Intimidation preceding the Nazi, Fascist, and Communist Socialist Movements. We need to have officials nip this crap in the bud before We the People do it for them.
I have little sympathy for Mitch McConnell in particular, but I’m surprised since he is in a leadership role that he does not have Secret Service protection same as Congressman Steve Scalise who was shot during a basball practice game.
He’s a member of the leadership so he has security. Just like Steve scalise. This won’t end well
OK, read through this thread. Not a fun thread at all. Tired of the insults, bickering, and silliness.
It’s called conflict Jo Anne.
And I suspect that if Rags and Milhouse falsely accused you of making death threats and called for you to be banned… You wouldn’t be too impressed with those who minimized it as mere drama.
Wasn’t choosing sides, just tired of the bickering.
Asura: “Now you’re advocating fascism.”
How? How is countering fascist violence itself fascist? Would you defend yourself? What about others? Would you look the other way while someone else is bullied?
“Feel free, of course, to take this to mean that I support the antifa and the left, as you’ve declared Milhouse does.”
My judgement on Milhouse is based on years of reading him and trying to square his inconsistent application of the law. He defines it narrowly to the Left and broadly to the right. So I find him suspect. It’s not a frivolous accusation.
“I just mean that what’s bad for the goose is also bad for the gander.”
Now you are supporting my own argument. I’m not sure you’ve been following the discussion very closely.
But at least you aren’t afraid to discuss and debate the issue. There’s that I guess.
The rule of law has not failed us – our judicial system is designed to acquit ten guilty men before one innocent man is jailed for crimes he did not commit.
The prosecutors could not prove to the jury that the indicted rioters were directly involved in the vandalism and robbery at hand.
Equally, though, those who defended their property with the threat of lethal force were not arraigned in other recent riots.
You are directly advocating for the use of lethal force not in defense, but in offensive actions against people whose political philosophy runs counter to yours.
Are those people asking for it? Hell yes they are. Would it be the best thing, politically and for public relations? No. It would be a far, far better story and optics if ‘antifa’ was clearly and unreservedly the aggressor, beating down unarmed, unarmored, formerly peaceful protesters. Your desired action results in the optics of ‘mutual combatants’ and leads to ‘a pox on both their houses.’ …Which, since the primary media sources are decidedly left leaning, means that they will only broadcast things that are good for them.
It is bad for the left to support these tactics. It would be bad for the right to support them as well.
Is it wrong to defend yourself? God no. But make -very- certain that you are defending yourself, and that there is no way for unscrupulous people to craft a negative narrative.
Fen, your comments here make it very easy to ascribe a negative narrative to the…hypotheticals you suggest.
As much as I despise Mitch McConnell, I feel the proper response to “we know where you live” would have been to turn, smile, and quietly reply, “and we know where you live.”
Slam #TheResistance under RICO. It’s past time,