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‘Not in Check With Reality’: Manchin Won’t Stop Fighting Biden’s War on Appliances

‘Not in Check With Reality’: Manchin Won’t Stop Fighting Biden’s War on Appliances

“It is putting us in the danger zone, the grid. With all the movement and demand for more electric appliances that would take the place of gas whether it be a stove or furnace.”

Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) told Fox News he will fight President Joe Biden’s war of on appliances.

Manchin scolded the Department of Energy (DOE) for placing too many restrictions on wash machines, dishwashers, cars, etc.

Everything must be electric! But what about the power grid?

From Fox News:

“It absolutely shows you how disconnected the [DOE] is with the facts and reality of what’s happening to the grid system,” Manchin told Fox News Digital. “We’ve had so many warnings from [the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission] and [North American Electric Reliability Corporation] and everybody else that the grid is strained to say the least.”

“And we’re taking more dispatchable power off the grid. That means 24/7, mostly fossil — because of the movement of this administration. It is putting us in the danger zone, the grid,” he continued. “With all the movement and demand for more electric appliances that would take the place of gas whether it be a stove or furnace. It absolutely makes no sense and is not in check with reality. Absolutely not.”

The DOE wants to change the dishwasher standard for maximum per-cycle water consumption (gal/cycle) 3.3. The current standard is 5, but most dishwashers are 3.5.

DOE Secretary Granholm supports making the military adopt an all-electric vehicle fleet by 2030.

Speaking of cars, the Biden administration is obsessed with making us all drive electric vehicles. It’s funny because last year, California had an energy crisis and even asked people to avoid charging their electric vehicles!

The DOE finalized restrictions on air conditioning window units, which would harm the poor and minority communities.

Washing machines! The DOE wants it to use less water, which means longer washing times and stinkier clothes.

Then there are the gas stoves. An official tried to change his words, but he said he wanted the government to come after our gas stoves. This sparked a frenzy in blue states. New York banished gas stoves from new construction.

Manchin continued: “You cannot eliminate your way to a cleaner environment It’s not going to work. It’s not feasible. It won’t be done. The rest of the world won’t follow and Asia is going to produce about 90% of all pollution in the next ten years. It’s where all the pollution is coming from. Innovation is the only way to go. If you want a clean environment, then you have to do it through technology and innovation.”


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The Senator made it possible for the Inflation Reduction Act to pass and his voters are awakening to what lies ahead as a result. As if 87,000 new IRS agents weren’t enough, one of the gems in that law is that new vehicles will be required to have monitoring systems to assess whether the driver is sober and to prevent starting or actively stopping the vehicle if the algorithm suspects incapacitation.

But what the voters really understand is that government cannot monitor how much natural gas they use when cooking or how much gasoline they buy. To restrict energy usage in the name of climate change would necessitate hundreds of thousands of federal agents to monitor gas stations and residential gas meters.

But with electric everything, the electric meter tells government exactly how much energy is used. And they now have control over each domicile’s power usage at the flip of a switch. Charging your vehicle so soon? Sorry, you exceeded your carbon footprint for the day. Power Off! Try again Tuesday.

This is what Manchin helped unleashed and he knows it.

    dunce1239 in reply to George S. | June 14, 2023 at 7:26 pm

    Too late, the voters know he sold them out.

    4fun in reply to George S. | June 14, 2023 at 10:06 pm

    It says any company that refuses to sell at the government’s price will be hit with a tax that starts at 186% of the drug’s revenues on Day 1 and is hiked daily until it reaches a ruinous 1,900% of revenues — not just from government sales but all sales.

    That would mean hundreds of millions of dollars in taxes per day. The company has no escape.

    The law Merck is challenging is far more dictatorial than price controls in socialist-leaning European countries, which allow drug companies to decline to sell at the government price.
    see also
    Merck sues feds over Medicare drug price talks, calling it ‘extortion’

    Merck explains it “will be legally compelled to sell its most valuable products for a fraction of their value, on pain of yet more draconian penalties. This is not ‘negotiation.’ It is tantamount to extortion.”

    The law also gags the company from disclosing what Medicare officials say about price “negotiations” behind closed doors.

    Worse, it requires the company to publicly call the price rammed down its throat “fair.”

    Is this even America? Congress limits free speech and requires companies to state things they don’t believe.

    Merck’s lawsuit objects, “Our Constitution does not countenance compelled speech in service of state propaganda.”

It is SO unusual to hear a Dem say anything other than the strict Party-line. He should expect the FBI at his residence any day now.

    artichoke in reply to Q. | June 14, 2023 at 1:36 pm

    He lives on a boat on the Potomac. Seriously.

    diver64 in reply to Q. | June 14, 2023 at 2:47 pm

    Election coming up and in deep red WV he is in trouble. I hope those in WV do not forget that Manchin voted for green crap through the “Inflation Reduction Act”. He did it to us

Phony resistance to save his job.

Votes for the bill that classifies CO2 as a pollutant and funds all these green energy shenanigans, and then pretends to oppose the consequences of that vote.

Phony as a 3-dollar bill.

He’s losing to Jim Justice in the polls … the only reason he’s pretending. He isn’t fighting anything – it’s the good people of West Virginia who are doing the fighting.

Point of use residential solar systems looking a lot more attractive when we consider how unreliable the grid is becoming. Might be a good idea to be able to meet some of our electric demand without having to rely upon politicians, regulators and the power companies to do the right thing; deliver reliable and affordable electricity to consumers.

    Dathurtz in reply to CommoChief. | June 14, 2023 at 3:19 pm

    Of all the people I know with solar, only one has it setup so it could power his house. Most just feed back into the grid.

      CommoChief in reply to Dathurtz. | June 15, 2023 at 8:30 am

      Which, IMO, makes far less if any sense. The bigger benefit to me is the peace of mind from knowing I would have some power no matter what. Obviously some areas of the Nation have a better solar profile than others so the size of the system required and it’s upfront cost would be lower in the Sun Belt than in a place with a lower solar profile like Minnesota.

    Ironclaw in reply to CommoChief. | June 14, 2023 at 3:46 pm

    The real question is how much does enough batteries to make that useful anytime other than during the day cost? And will it ever pay for itself?

      CommoChief in reply to Ironclaw. | June 15, 2023 at 8:26 am

      Cost for an average home is roughly $25K (+/-) depending on solar profile, work required, if any, to reinforce the roof and the size of the generation and size of batteries required to meet your needs. Amortized over the life of the system roughly 20-25 years it may be less costly than you may think.

      There are still subsidies available to assist and of course you can sell back excess power to the grid. The real value, IMO, isn’t the normal but the abnormal. When brown outs occur because the environmental weirdos were able to shut down the reliable power generation and replace it with unreliable at grid level renewables your will still have some power. Of course should gross stupidity run amok and we end up like CA or worse, the EU, then you still have power. Plus normal blackout, interruptions due to weather.

      Ultimately peace of mind about power supply is something we have a hard time putting a price on.

Suburban Farm Guy | June 14, 2023 at 1:11 pm

The only thing the Department of Energy is good for is stealing all the most fashionable luggage with the most fabulous women’s clothes and parading around in them looking really supertranny.

2smartforlibs | June 14, 2023 at 2:24 pm

All this seems like something a dictator, not a president would be doing.

E Howard Hunt | June 14, 2023 at 2:32 pm

He is more dangerous than Chuck Schumer because he doesn’t look like a complete slime ball, and he throws out a few conservative sops.

    The Gentle Grizzly in reply to E Howard Hunt. | June 14, 2023 at 3:48 pm

    WV may elect Democrats, but one that looks and acts like Schumer would likely have been beaten up a lot in school so much he’d have left the state.

Its so cute that Manchin thinks anyone on his team has the slightest concern over the fact that their ideological Diktats imposed nationwide are completely unworkable in practice.

As if they cared!!!

Manchin is a grifting crook who waits for the highest bid.

Creeping communism. Dictating prices,(Merck lawsuit) is that much different than state ownership of the means of production?

They want ac country of slaves to the state. The individual is nothing.

Manchin has lost credibility. Just vote and skip the hype.