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*UPDATE* Biden Official Tries to Deny He Ever Said the Govt is Coming for Your Gas Stove

*UPDATE* Biden Official Tries to Deny He Ever Said the Govt is Coming for Your Gas Stove

You have to pry my new natural gas stove out of my cold dead hands. I will NEVER give up my natural gas stove!

*UPDATE* Thank you, Leslie, for catching this update. I would have if I wasn’t away from the house with car trouble for the past four hours. But it looks like Mr. Richard Trumka Jr. is trying to deny he ever said the government is coming for our gas stoves.

The title *literally* says the agency has a potential ban on gas stoves on the table.

**Previous reporting….

The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission wants to ban gas stoves.

Agency Commissioner Richard Trumka Jr., the son of the late AFL-CIO president, described the stoves as a “hidden hazard.”

“Products that can’t be made safe can be banned,” said Trumka Jr.

Gee, I cannot wait to hear what else you have in mind.

California already banned natural gas appliances because it’s the mostest freest of the states, according to Gov. Gavin Newsom.

Have these people cooked on an electric stove? I’m remodeling my house and installing gas for my new stove. Granted, my stove was from 1974 and really only worked on high or low. But still, it cooked unevenly and I hated it.

You can also light the stove when the electricity goes out.

I’ve never known anyone with health problems caused by a natural gas stove:

Natural gas stoves, which are used in about 40% of homes in the US, emit air pollutants such as nitrogen dioxide, carbon monoxide and fine particulate matter at levels the EPA and World Health Organization have said are unsafe and linked to respiratory illness, cardiovascular problems, cancer, and other health conditions, according to reports by groups such as the Institute for Policy Integrity and the American Chemical Society. Consumer Reports, in October, urged consumers planning to buy a new range to consider going electric after tests conducted by the group found high levels of nitrogen oxide gases from gas stoves.

New peer-reviewed research published last month in the International Journal of Environmental Research and Public Health found that more than 12% of current childhood asthma cases in the US can be attributed to gas stove use.

“There is about 50 years of health studies showing that gas stoves are bad for our health, and the strongest evidence is on children and children’s asthma,” said Brady Seals, a manager in the carbon-free buildings program at the nonprofit clean energy group RMI and a co-author of the study. “By having a gas connection, we are polluting the insides of our homes.”

How about some good old common sense? It turns out the problem is not necessarily from the item in question. Use ventilation:

The Association of Home Appliance Manufacturers, which represents gas range manufacturers such as Whirlpool Corp., says that cooking produces emissions and harmful byproducts no matter what kind of stove is used.

“Ventilation is really where this discussion should be, rather than banning one particular type of technology,” said Jill Notini, a vice president with the Washington-based trade group. “Banning one type of a cooking appliance is not going to address the concerns about overall indoor air quality. We may need some behavior change, we may need [people] to turn on their hoods when cooking.”

Unless I’m cooking with the lid on, my vent is on. I don’t know how people can cook without the vent on with steam and heat going everywhere.

But don’t let common sense get in the way of the leftist narrative: racism and climate change.

Sen. Cory Booker (D-NJ) and Rep. Don Beyer (D-VA) made natural gas stoves racial because the stoves’ emissions are “a ‘cumulative burden’ on Black, Latino and low-income households that disproportionately experience air pollution.”

Yes, there’s a climate change angle to the hype against natural gas stoves:

Parallel efforts by state and local policymakers are targeting the use of natural gas in buildings more broadly, in a push to reduce climate-warming emissions (such as from methane) that exacerbate climate change. Nearly 100 cities and counties have adopted policies that require or encourage a move away from fossil fuel powered buildings. The New York City Council voted in 2021 to ban natural gas hookups in new buildings smaller than seven stories by the end of this year. The California Air Resources Board unanimously voted in September to ban the sale of natural gas-fired furnaces and water heaters by 2030.

Consumers who want to switch from gas to electric ranges could get some help from the massive climate spending bill signed into law in August. The Inflation Reduction Act includes rebates of up to $840 for the purchase of new electric ranges as part of some $4.5 billion in funding to help low- and moderate-income households electrify their homes.

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Comments

2smartforlibs | January 10, 2023 at 5:02 pm

How about we stop with the existential BS and concentrate on real issues?

    The Gentle Grizzly in reply to 2smartforlibs. | January 10, 2023 at 5:07 pm

    You heartless…. FASCIST!!! Think of all those asthmatic children over the last 125 years who were too poor and ignorant to KNOW they were supposed to have bad reactions to gas stoves!

    This is not to mention tens of millions too ill-informed and ignorant to k ow they were supposed to get fewer attacks and cancer from gas cooking!!!1!!11!

    Wouldn’t West Virginia versus epa apply?

    On the last day of its 2021 term, the U.S. Supreme Court issued a decision that has far-reaching implications for climate change and the administrative state. West Virginia v. EPA held that the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) lacks authority under the Clean Air Act to impose emissions gaps by shifting electricity production from higher-emitting to lower-emitting producers. That so-called “generation shifting” approach, the Court said, represents a “major question” of extraordinary economic and political significance. The Court further explained — for the first time — that an administrative agency has no power to make decisions on such “major questions” unless Congress “clearly” gave it such authority. Finding no such clear statement in the relevant section of the Clean Air Act, the Court held that the EPA’s carbon dioxide emissions efforts strayed too far.

    Like the light bulbs, lol when Obama and co passed the law we couldn’t have the cheap incandescent lights, I bought a trillion of them
    Then Trump
    Came and their back lol…

    Amy odyssey need a hundred boxes of 60w bulbs?

The Gentle Grizzly | January 10, 2023 at 5:03 pm

I use an induction range because there is no natural gas where I am.

What lobbyist paid who for how much?

    I live in California. The rule here is simple: if it works, ban it.

    henrybowman in reply to The Gentle Grizzly. | January 10, 2023 at 9:33 pm

    I wish the builders of this place had extended the existing gas line up to this house. I’m not a big stove fan, but it would have been invaluable to have a line available to run a whole-house generator for all the long outages we have during monsoon season. Gasoline goes stale too fast, whereas gaseous fuel lasts indefinitely. Gas company wouldn’t extend the line for us now just for emergency usage.

      diver64 in reply to henrybowman. | January 11, 2023 at 4:49 pm

      Something wrong with a propane tank? Buy a 250 or 500gal tank, bury it and run the line. When we bought our house first thing I did was get rid of the electric oven, furnace and water heater replacing with propane. Got a 250 tank and ran the gas line myself. Put in wall mount propane heaters. Power goes out, don’t care. Running gas line, especially the new flex type is not rocket science.

UnCivilServant | January 10, 2023 at 5:11 pm

How about we ban the Consumer Product Safety Commission. It seems it would save the Consumer a good deal of problems.

    JackinSilverSpring in reply to UnCivilServant. | January 10, 2023 at 5:51 pm

    You beat me to the punch.

    Morning Sunshine in reply to UnCivilServant. | January 10, 2023 at 5:59 pm

    are these the same people who pushed “energy and water saving” washing machines? Cuz they don’t save my energy or time (3 hours to wash ONE load? what mom has time for that?) and I have had clothes come out dry as in never wet – how can that be clean?

      With a life expectancy for the washing machine that has gone down to 6 years from the previous 40 for machines built between 1970-1990. Look at the resources necessary to build the machine.

      The Gentle Grizzly in reply to Morning Sunshine. | January 10, 2023 at 7:16 pm

      Sounds like a) you bought a top-loader, and b) I could name two brands that just flat do not work.

      I use LG’s least-fancy top-loader and even with an extra rinse it takes about 1:20. Given how much laundry it holds, it’s fewer loads per “washday”.

      I am hardly one to defend government interference in our lives, but just stating how things are here at Chez Ours Grand.

        The Gentle Grizzly in reply to The Gentle Grizzly. | January 11, 2023 at 9:58 am

        Correction: LG’s least expensive FRONT loader. I’d not have an HE top loader.

        Special note: my brother and sister in law are fairly old fashioned. They still were able to buy an agitator top loader. In California. It takes less energy than an old top loader but is not HE. It still uses enough water.

        We bought a fancy HE water saving washer. Had it a month and got tired of washing clothes a couple of times as they just wouldn’t get totally wet. Finally solved by doing half loads which was silly so got rid of it and got the cheapest Hot Point. Works great. Dryer is 20yrs old at least. In the house when we got it. Had to replace the heating element and belt but still working fine.

      Spinning action lol

      But actually the spinning is much improved

      My washer has an override where I can deep Fill it, great, and a 10 minute wash cycle I use for just barely dirty stuff.

      The energy saving washing machine you have to run things through twice, using more electricity to actually get things clean?

        The Gentle Grizzly in reply to 4rdm2. | January 11, 2023 at 10:01 am

        Not mine.

        Nor – on a different topic of complaint – do I have to flush twice or more with my 1.25 gallon toilets.

        Nor are my non-incandescent lights burning out “just as fast”.

          One we bought has 2 push knobs. One fast flush and one total tank. #1 and #2. Works good. Replaced all lights with LED’s but we use and incandescent near the water tank which is outside as a LED does not produce enough heat. Not noticed them burning out at all. Getting rid of all the electric appliances, on demand water heater (highly recommended), new windows, insulation walls and attic and LED bulbs our electric bill last month was $80 for a 2 story house.

From my cold dead fingers

Ban natural gas water heaters too then. I am pretty sure I can endure more pain than the average democrat voter.

A ban on candles can’t be far behind. After all, paraffin is a byproduct of evil fossil fuel and they’re operated with demon fire.

DDsModernLife | January 10, 2023 at 5:36 pm

This perfectly illustrates C.S. Lewis’ insight:

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.“

CPSC is just the latest installment of the socialist utopian dream: to be ruled by unelected “experts” employed by unaccountable federal agencies.

How many announcements like this are just a head fake – introducing a phantom for the right to fight – while the government does something else to profit themselves? Political rope-a-dope tactic?

“Thanks for your interest!

To be clear, CPSC isn’t coming for anyone’s gas stoves. Regulations apply to new products.

For Americans who CHOOSE to switch from gas to electric, there is support available – Congress passed the Inflation Reduction Act which includes a $840 rebate.”

That’s not a denial…it’s an obfuscation. This is the same plan that has been used by gun control nuts saying all they have to do is ban new gun sales and do buybacks and all guns will eventually leave circulation.

Plus, the proof is in the putrid progressive pudding with CA already getting the ball rolling.

    diver64 in reply to healthguyfsu. | January 11, 2023 at 4:58 pm

    So I can buy an electric stove for free using the rebate then sell it on Craigslist for $100 which I can use to buy ammo? Winning!!

The statistics are a lie. 12.% of young children get asthma from “environmental and unknown” sources. The gas stove stat is mass-packaged with second hand tobacco and marijuana smoke, brake and tire dust, airborne mildew, transport emissions and industrial emissions. The idea that gas stoves are solely responsible is easily debunked by statistically analyzing one other factor: Black families and white families are equally likely to have a gas stove. The asthma rate for white children (7.4) is nearly half that of black children of the same age (13.5%). Blacks statistically smoke both tobacco and marijuana more than whites. The black kids which have asthma tend to live in an urban area….exposing them to myriad additional environmental elements.

NY Gov Hochul wants to ban gas heating

nordic prince | January 10, 2023 at 6:56 pm

I HATE HATE HATE electric stoves.

To be clear, CPSC isn’t coming for anyone’s gas stoves. Regulations apply to new products.
No, he wasn’t even trying to “walk it back. He was pretending to walk it back. Sure, they won’t come (right now) for your gas stoves you already own. But you won’t ever be able to buy another one.
I think we need to engrave the constitution on a metal baseball bat and beat Mr Trumka with it until he understands every word in it.

    henrybowman in reply to GWB. | January 10, 2023 at 9:37 pm

    Or at least until he possesses enough of it in bas relief to take home and study as his leisure.

    The Gentle Grizzly in reply to GWB. | January 11, 2023 at 10:06 am

    I think Trumka need to go back to running the Teamsters.

      It is Trumka’s son, “Jr.,” who is over the CPSC.

      And the old man was stupid enough to make the package handler division at UPS take a $1.00/hour PAY CUT. Who do you think loads all of those package delivery vehicles?

For the most part can’t even get gas here in Florida, supposedly hurricanes create a risk of large-scale fire. I’m not sure if that’s real or theoretical, hurricanes do after all make everything rather wet and hard to burn.

Has Hank Hill been available for comment?

“Products that can’t be made safe can be banned,”
That’s a prescription to ban anything and everything. You might get a heinie burn going down a slide – ban those. You might cut yourself with a kitchen knife – ban those. You can drown in a pool – ban those. You could fall using stairs in a home – ban two-story houses. You could scald yourself – ban water heaters.

There is no such thing as a perfectly safe anything. I prefer to live my life to staying wrapped in bubble wrap.

Oh, and you might suffocate in bubble wrap, so we need to ban that, too….

at levels the EPA and World Health Organization have said are unsafe
And why did they set those levels? What do they consider “unsafe”? Why should I give a damn what they think?

(Those questions are the sorts only doubleplus ungood people – otherwise known as lovers of freedom – ever ask.)

    Flatworm in reply to GWB. | January 10, 2023 at 7:56 pm

    Things like smoking, drinking, and motorcycle riding are all risky, but all plausibly fall within the normal range of acceptable risk tolerance for a rational adult.

    Now try to imagine if the Public Health establishment were an actual human being. This would be a guy who never smokes or drinks. He won’t ride a motorcycle, or a horse, or exceed the speed limit-ever. If he eats meat at all, he probably boils it, since he won’t eat it unless it’s cooked halfway to oblivion, and he can’t accept any sign of char. He won’t even risk a soft-boiled egg.

    This hypothetical man is at best the biggest weenie you’ve ever met, and at worst a neurotic head case. You would never look at such a person and tell yourself “now there’s a wise man whose example I should follow.” Certainly you wouldn’t be keen to put him in charge of all your life decisions.

I don’t know how people can cook without the vent on with steam and heat going everywhere.
I don’t know how they can do so if they have a danged kitchen smoke detector. I get the slightest whiff of bacon aroma near the smoke detector and it goes off. WHEET! WHEET! WHEET! until I’m ready to get up there and cut the dang cords and yank the battery out.

    henrybowman in reply to GWB. | January 10, 2023 at 9:40 pm

    Mmmm… most codes strongly discourage smoke detectors in kitchens. Heat detectors are fine.

      Two types of smoke detectors. One is supposed to work in the kitchen because it only detects real particulate. Which, of course, means smoke from the stovetop….

    The Gentle Grizzly in reply to GWB. | January 11, 2023 at 10:14 am

    Far too many kitchen hoods are not vented to the outside.

      Which is thoroughly baffling to me – what is the point if it just vents it back into the kitchen?
      “Well, we got all that smoke up to the ceiling so you can see how badly you’re burning your eggs”?

        henrybowman in reply to GWB. | January 11, 2023 at 11:37 am

        It runs the air through a filter like your heat pump, presumably to capture things like dust and smoke. The filters hardly ever get cleaned properly, they clog up with grease and get disgusting. Then you discover the previous tenant didn’t bother even to try to wash the grease off the ceiling, they just painted it over to make it look better.. Lovely.
        I wouldn’t even accept a ventless hood in an RV.
        I suppose if you live in a giant apartment building, vents are out of the question.

    Jakespeed in reply to GWB. | January 11, 2023 at 12:19 pm

    Ron White Joke – Cooking by Smoke Detector

Products that can’t be made safe can be banned

Can’t be made safe? Can’t be made how safe? Nothing is perfectly safe.

We all KNOW if the WHO says it, it must be true. I think William F. Buckley called liberals “shower adjusters”, saying they wanted to reach into your shower and adjust the temperature. Gas stoves, light bulbs, appliances that actually work, air conditioners, toilets, etc., leftists think they know better than anyone how we should live our lives. We need a really good derisive term to use to ridicule these arrogant fascists.

Nice job. Stay on it, Ms. Chastain!

“Products that can’t be made safe can be banned,” said Trumka Jr.”

Show me the delegated authority for that anywhere in the constitution.

In point of fact, there is only one place in the consritution where the federal government is given the job of keeping us safe. It’s protecting us from invasion… the one responsibility they are NOT performing.

Steven Brizel | January 10, 2023 at 9:53 pm

This is junk science not reasonably intended by smh Congressional mandate Any such regulation should be immediately challenged in court

Induction cooktops are pretty cool, they have some nice features, but, this should be left up to consumer choice. Government apparatchiks should but out.

CPSC is one agency that never should have seen the light of day and if the Repubs want to do something useful then they should drive a stake through it’s heart.

“said Brady Seals, a manager in the carbon-free buildings program at the nonprofit clean energy group RMI and a co-author of the study. ” That is what junk science made by someone who will profit from the “findings” looks like.

RepublicanRJL | January 11, 2023 at 7:14 am

I’m a child of the 50s and I’ve seen the US transition from a leadership role of world power and innovation to limp wristed tickle fights and removing labels on Crayolas because they’re hurtful.

Is the reputed harm of gas stoves coming to light only because of the ‘green screen’ crowd that must save Mother Earth within one generation or that same crowd voting for their King Leonidas on a singular issue?

So are they gonna ban camping equipment, such as Coleman stoves with propane?

What about cooking over a camp fire?

How did we cook and eat for thousands of years?

If it isn’t broken, don’t fix it. This a classic example of government overreach.

Would the government instead put additional strain on the electrical grid? The one that provides blackouts in California and can barely meet demand everywhere else?

Who knew that a stove could be racist?

Add this agency to the list of federal departments and agencies that must be defunded.

Where is all the electricity coming from to power all the new electric vehicles and now electric stoves? How will that electricity be generated? Fossil fuels of course. So they’ll use fossil fuels to generate electricity which of course causes pollution. Where is the benefit to society? Look for the people in government who will benefit financially from increased electric stove production.

    henrybowman in reply to Photoman42. | January 11, 2023 at 11:52 am

    “Where is all the electricity coming from to power all the new electric vehicles and now electric stoves? … Fossil fuels of course.”

    What are you talking about you domestic terrorist? They fully intend to get all that electricity from windmills powered by unicorn farts, 24/7 sunlight shining on the roof of the owners’ Tiny Houses, and batteries that magically charge themselves. And you won’t be able to convince them this will never work (at least not with White Supremacy and Racist Science!) until they have forced that installation upon all of us. And then when it still doesn’t work, it will be Trump’s fault, and we will have to struggle the good struggle, enduring food poisoning, to prevent the End of Our Democracy.
    It’s just Common Sense Life Control!

BierceAmbrose | January 11, 2023 at 5:46 pm

That’s all it takes to administratively step on the demonstrated preference of the >132,000,000 citizens in 40% of households?

Seems like they’re stepping on a lot, for not much. Sees like the gas making, gas stove making, and gas stove using are doing pretty well — why mess with something that’s working.

Oh, wait, that’s the point. That and demonstrating that they can. Nevermind.