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Contrary to Media Narratives, ‘Defund the Police’ Is About Literally Abolishing Police Departments

Contrary to Media Narratives, ‘Defund the Police’ Is About Literally Abolishing Police Departments

“I think we should ultimately abolish [law enforcement],” Black Lives Matter co-founder Patrisse Cullors said in a recent interview. “What we can do right now is drastically reduce law enforcement’s relationship to the community.”

As the calls from left-wing activists to “defund the police” have grown in the two weeks since the death of George Floyd, so, too, have the explainers from the MSM on how “defunding the police” is supposedly not about getting rid of police departments altogether but instead is about partially shifting some police funding into local communities.

Axios, for instance, mischaracterized an interview Black Lives Matter co-founder Alicia Garza did with Chuck Todd a week ago as saying she told him that defunding the police really wasn’t about eliminating police departments:

Black Lives Matter co-founder Alicia Garza told NBC’s “Meet the Press” on Sunday that growing calls to “defund the police” are not about eliminating police departments, but about reinvesting funds toward “the resources that our communities need.”

Except if you watch the clip, you’ll see that not only was Axios’s characterization of what she said incorrect, but that when Todd brought the issue up to Garza, he never actually asked about defunding the police. What he did was make it sound like it wasn’t even a question, teeing up Garza to affirm his statement that BLM “was not calling for defunding police departments and getting rid of police.”

The transcript of what Todd said is below:

When you — when Americans hear the phrase, “defund the police,” you’re not calling for defunding police departments and getting rid of police. Explain what you mean by that phrase.

Watch the video below of Todd’s softball to Garza and her lengthy response. Note that she never once stated defunding the police was not about getting rid of them:

That was one of those interviews where what a person does not say is more revealing than what they did say.

Unfortunately for Todd, another Black Lives Matter co-founder who did a recent interview was not quite so careful in her comments. Patrisse Cullors, another co-founder of the radical group, told Newsweek that ultimately defunding the police was about abolishing them, but for now the movement was focused on the incremental steps to getting there, which was by way of gradually taking funds away from police departments and moving them elsewhere (emphasis added):

While, ultimately, Cullors said she believes that law enforcement as we know it today should be abolished entirely, she acknowledged that the road to abolition could be a long one—that is why, she said, it needs to be taken step by step.

The first step, she said, would be significantly reducing funding to law enforcement bodies and redirecting that money into initiatives directly serving communities, including education, healthcare and community programming.

“We don’t disband law enforcement in just one day. That’s not logical,” she said.

“I think we should ultimately abolish [law enforcement],” Cullors said. “What we can do right now is drastically reduce law enforcement’s relationship to the community.”


“Policing and incarceration are part of a continuum. The policing is the first response and then incarceration is the last response. And these two systems rely on each other very, very deeply. We have to be working on getting rid of both systems,” she said.

On Friday, the New York Times published an op-ed written by “anti-criminalization organizer” Mariame Kaba that put a finer point on the supposed debate over what “defund the police” actually means. The headline and sub-headline? Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish the Police – Because reform won’t happen:

The Daily Show’s Trevor Noah hosted a roundtable discussion on defunding the police in which several of the participants made it quite clear what they thought about the police and how police departments needed to be abolished (emphasis added):

“We say ‘abolish the police’ because we mean ‘abolish the police,’” writer Mychal Denzel Smith added. “Tell me something right now that the police are good at, other than whooping ass. Other than doing that, what are they good at? They don’t prevent murders, they come in and try to figure out who did the murder afterward. And they don’t do any of the things they’re sent out to do –—like Patrisse is telling us, we want them to ‘solve’ homelessness, but what that just means [for them] is get the homeless people out of the street.”

Journalist and lawyer Josie Duffy Rice noted: “One of the things people say when you want to defund the police is, ‘But what about murder? What about rape? What if your kid got kidnapped?’…The reality is that the police aren’t doing a very good job of handling those situations and that when we picture accountability in this country, we’re relying on a violent system to reduce violence. We’re relying on a cruel system to reduce cruelty. And we are funding the back end of social ills instead of the front end of addressing them. It’s very hard to imagine a world where we’re defunding the police because it’s all we’ve had to rely on. We’re imagining a new world.”

Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) has also outright called for “dismantling” and “disbanding” the police, which the Democrat-majority Minneapolis city council is working on as we speak:

“We need to completely dismantle the Minneapolis Police Department. Because here’s the thing, there’s a cancer,” [Omar] said, continuing that amputation is needed so it doesn’t spread.

The evidence is overwhelming that defunding the police is not simply about partial reallocation of police funding. Advocates for “defunding the police” eventually want to see a world where police departments don’t exist and CHAZ-style Lord of the Flies-type communities are put in place.

But that hasn’t stopped media figures like MSNBC’s resident race hustler Al Sharpton from trying to gaslight Americans as to what it means:

“The slogan may be misleading without interpretation,” Rev. Al Sharpton said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” this past week, adding that he understood the phrase to be more about deep-rooted reform efforts.

“I don’t think anyone other than the far extremes are saying we don’t want any kind of policing at all,” he said.

Except “the far extremes” are Black Lives Matters founders themselves and their prominent supporters like Omar who are out front and center giving media interviews and leading the charge to defund the police incrementally over time to the point they stop being funded altogether.

When a movement’s founders and their advocates in Congress and on city councils tell you that the police need to be “defunded” and “abolished” and “dismantled,” believe them. They actually mean defunding and abolishing and dismantling. Do not be fooled by their media apologists into thinking otherwise.

— Stacey Matthews has also written under the pseudonym “Sister Toldjah” and can be reached via Twitter. —


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At best, moronic.

At worst, a plot to create chaos and replace that chaos with fascism. It’s a good plot idea, and it has worked SEVERAL times in the 20th century (for Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot to name a few.) And EVERY time it has worked, it has resulted in the genocide of MILLIONS of people.

Don’t let it work for obama.

Considering the idiot mayor of Los Angeles (eric garcetti)has defunded police by 150 MILLION dollars, he leads the ‘de-fund’ police movement.

Today, we now lead the ‘RE-fund’ police movement.

    notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to | June 14, 2020 at 4:26 pm

    Obama-Era Political Surveillance – Were Black Files Created?…

    I’m reposting a prior research outline below because something odd is happening in the background of this story. I’m not sure what it is, but there are small -seemingly disconnected- issues surfacing, that might tie back to this much bigger and purposefully avoided story. I have learned to trust my instincts on this.

    ♦One – The FISA reauthorization legislation was dropped by Nancy Pelosi and all media conversation immediately vaporized.
    ♦Two – Crowdstrike is very concerned about this story every time it surfaces.
    ♦Three – If you understand the scale and scope of surveillance… does that explain the behavior of some people today [legislative (politicians), judiciary (judges), Pentagon (military)].

    Are black files being used in 2020?

    JusticeDelivered in reply to | June 14, 2020 at 8:23 pm

    I am for defunding, after every felon is terminated. Police will need to be refunded within ten years in order to deal with both bad apple children, and a much larger group of those those ruined by poor parenting.

    JusticeDelivered in reply to | June 14, 2020 at 10:58 pm

    Sorry, accidental down vote.

notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital | June 14, 2020 at 4:21 pm


BLM lies……

With the Media……

“Advocates for “defunding the police” eventually want to see a world where police departments don’t exist and CHAZ-style Lord of the Flies-type communities are put in place.”

Police by another name. But what the rich white communists running these deep blue hellholes really want is a Stasi-like force – under their control – that has as its primary mission fighting “racism”.

The only way you would get a CHAZ-style militia state is if the warlords in these mini-kingdoms had enough military firepower that the communists in City Hall had to cut a power-sharing deal with them (which may happen). Deep blue cities are starting to morph into a weird hybrid, where some parts resemble North Korea, while other parts Mogadishu.

1) Every MPD employee was hired by the Democrat Party – mayor and chief. They have run Minneapolis for over four decades. Would not eliminating Democrats solve the real problem?

2) Local PDs cannot be controlled in a totalitarian government. They must be eliminated and replaced with a centrally controlled police force. The Stasi model works just fine. What they mean is disband the LOCAL police.

We are at war and the enemy wants us to disarm – no local police and no personal firearms.

What the BLM wants is for the police to stop bothering blacks when their out robbing, raping, rioting, dealing, pimping, assaulting, and killing. He wants honest citizens to enforce kill criminals instead.

Defund the woke and sleepy legislature, the attorney general, the governor, too. Separation of Progressive Church (PC) and State. #NoWarlockJudgments #NoDiversity #HateLovesAbortion

If we would defund the police and use that money to buy math text books, we would have chaos and a lot of unused math books.

Don;pt be naive. While some of the fringe wackos may think that abolishing police is a good idea, most of the leaders advocating it do not. What they want to do is to have total control over the enforcement of law within the jurisdictions which they control. But, in order to install their OWN LEA, they have to get rid of the existing ones.

What happened in CHAZ? The first thing was that armed groups took control of the entire area. Then, someone appointed a warlord as the leader of the area. Person or persons in charge… armed agents to enforce the leaders’ directions. Sounds like every political jurisdiction in the modern world.

Strip away the racial aspect.

Marxists want to seize control of the security apparatus from non-Marxists.

“Defund” has a definition. The left doesn’t get to unilaterally change it and then pretend we’re all stupid for not understanding what they meant. We know what they mean.

    irv in reply to Sanddog. | June 14, 2020 at 6:56 pm

    It’s not as if they haven’t done it before. Remember when “budget cuts” meant actually reducing the amount of money spent? But today, thanks to many years of media lies, cutting the budget means not giving the leftists the amount of money they demanded.

    And do we even need to get into “planned parenthood?”

Ilhan Omar, like clockwork come out with every anti-American ideal. Can we deport this POS woman, this adulteress, who has broken numerous laws?

At this point, I would love to see Sharia law catch up to this piece of human garbage. Then the rioters can honor her for her anti-American beliefs and she will go down as a dark stain on our Congress.

The ‘pieces’ keep coming together:

‘They’ sure knew who to trot out with the Coroniavirus outbreak: Fauci the Clown.

Fauci has ALWAYS been a clown:

I think it’s a quaint touch, The Community imagining that it will benefit from—or even survive—a period dominated by vigilance committees and warlords. Rather, I think they’ll be the first to go extinct.

    txvet2 in reply to tom_swift. | June 14, 2020 at 5:51 pm

    They never learn that the very first step by the leadership after a revolution is to get rid of all of the revolutionaries.

“De-Fun The Police.” Make The Left Hurt.

We are now hearing demands for a new civil right–immunity for blacks to riot, burn and loot, and threaten even take lives, just like the good. old days in Africa.

South Africa in the 90’s. Same logo – Defund the police.
Worked there for the overthrow, same game plan here.
Communism is on our doorstep knocking loudly.
They want your guns, money and whatever else you value.

Copperjockey | June 15, 2020 at 2:07 am

Long term goal is to get rid of the police or their guns, then they can scream. Why do citizens need guns? The police don’t even have guns! Germany 1939 or Communism any year you choose.

BLM only wants to get rid of the cops so that their lawlessness can go unchecked. Never have I seen so many groups who are siding with criminals and the lowest of the low. I support the police as I know that they have our backs, all of our backs. The funny thing is that in the last 2 cases (Atlanta and Minneapolis), if the assailant would have complied, then he wouldn’t have died (Johnny Cochran).

If by defunding and dismantling they mean homelessness will be addressed by social services, that mental health will be the preview of trained doctors/ counselors, and public schools and parents will be required to provide structure and discipline for their own children, then maybe I could find some merit in restructuring PDs. However, in truth we ask so much of our first responders, so far past their key functions , to protect and enforce laws duly enacted by legislation.
I also see the repositioning of those who are the loudest in calling for “police free” zones. When you go from CHAZ to CHOP it means they saw that setting themselves outside society means relinquishing the benefits of that same society. No choice really but to go from an autonomous zone to an organized protest if they want to reap the rewards of citizenship without the responsibility.