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A contrary view: Mini Mike isn’t done despite debate debacle

A contrary view: Mini Mike isn’t done despite debate debacle

Some multiple of the number of people who saw the debate will see his advertisements, and most important, Bloomberg isn’t on a ballot until Super Tuesday. Between now and then, one or more candidates will be damaged by low showings in Nevada and South Carolina.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8mj_Rhfy_A

Mike Bloomberg had a terrible night at the Las Vegas debate. On that point, I’m in agreement with the conventional wisdom.

I’m not in agreement that he is done as a candidate, assuming he’s still willing to spend an additional half-billion dollars on advertising, paying social media ‘influencers’ to hype him, and buying up Democrat policitians and media.

Some multiple of the number of people who saw the debate will see his advertisements, and most important, Bloomberg isn’t on a ballot until Super Tuesday. Between now and then, one or more candidates will be damaged by low showings in Nevada and South Carolina.

Elizabeth Warren is at particlar risk — she gained attention by going after Bloomberg, but it’s hard to see from whom she takes votes in the next two contests. She attacked not only Bloomberg, but Buttigieg and Klobuchar; their voters aren’t going for Warren. I can’t see Bernie voters moving to anyone else, and definitely not Warren.

The so-called ‘moderate’ segment of the electorate isn’t going to Bernie or Warren. This may have been the best night for Buttigieg, whose vapid bromides might sell with the non-socialist Democrat wing.

Bloomberg’s reason to be in this contest is to be the last non-Bernie non-Warren candidate standing. Biden doesn’t have it in him. While he had some good lines, he was a sideshow and a sad figure. If anyone is done after last night, it’s Amy Klobuchar. Her performance was whiny and weak — please Mayor Pete and Elizabeth, stop criticizing me!

Bloomberg didn’t help himself last night, but I don’t see that he ended his campaign provided he’s still willing to finance it.

One other big take — Bernie is a hard core commie. You could hear it in his voice about the unequal distribution of wealth, as if there is some finite amount of wealth that gets carved up.

Bernie doesn’t accept or understand that in capitalism the amount of wealth grows — Bloomberg didn’t take his wealth from someone else. Bernie is alien to our economic system, which is his appeal to a large segment of Democrats. The politics of envy sells well.

Get ready for the contest we need as a nation, Trump versus Bernie, capitalism versus socialism, economic freedom versus statist control. Bernie v. Trump is the battle we need, just as Britain needed Corbyn v. Johnson. Nothing that happened last night changed the likelihood that this is how it ends up.

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Plus, I’ll bet more Republicans watched those debates than usual for the fall down laughing entertainment value. Most people will read the MSM reviews. If anything.

Money certainly talks among the elites but most of us already have our minds made up. Other than paying us off with our own taxpayer money and handing us the bill, I don’t see anyone paying US off.

“One other big take — Bernie is a hard core commie”

Which would make the 2020 election one of real contrasts. It would really put it to the voters. Starkly.

“In which direction do you [the voters] want the country to head?”

The way of the Founders/Framers (with Trump acting as an imperfect proxy),

or, the way of the EU/USSR/PRC/UN (with Bernie as a model proxy)

Do we want freedom FROM government (which is the question with which the Framers wrestled) via limited, constitutional government whereby government itself is bound by law, or do we want total government.

Madison (Fed. 51) put it this way, “If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself. A dependence on the people is, no doubt, the primary control on the government; but experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions.”

Last nights debate was almost embarrassing for
the Democrats. Bernie continues to show his
true colors which would scare the heck out of
me if Trump wasn’t running for a second term.
Joe is just too old to still be in the game and
Mayor Pete has no real understanding of women’s
issues in regards to abortion. He is smug and full of
himself and uses his experience in the military
as if he was on the front lines, which
wasn’t. He drove a Jeep and never even did boot camp. Warren comes across as bossy to me with all
her talking points. I was actually waiting for her
to bring out her blackboard and chalk to help explain
to us what she was trying to explain to the class.
From my point of view Trump is a sure thing for a second
term and this pathetic lineup of “Presidential wannabes
don’t stand a chance against him.
GO TRUMP…MAGA!!!

casualobserver | February 20, 2020 at 9:44 am

Don’t have the stomach to watch debates. So, can’t form an opinion on the “winners”. But I have to think after spending close to a half billion already in phase 1, Blommie’s phase 2 will probably be as much and almost has to begin to leverage some really damaging oppo research. It would seem key before Super Tuesday, too. To start really putting more of a stink on some of those he wants to drop out.

    JusticeDelivered in reply to casualobserver. | February 20, 2020 at 10:24 am

    I didn’t watch because there are better ways to acquire information, and I already know enough that I am pretty sure they are one and all, losers.

Bernie’s base is solid. The rest of the Democrats are coin flipping.

    JusticeDelivered in reply to lichau. | February 20, 2020 at 10:32 am

    Bernie’s base is not big enough to get him elected, so he has to appeal to others, and he is not very appealing.

“Get ready for the contest we need as a nation, Trump versus Bernie, capitalism versus socialism, economic freedom versus statist control.”

My one great hope from the Obama presidency was that the large swath of indenpendents and a large chunk of the democrat voters would realize how damaging socialism was and how damaging identity politics was, dividing the country.

The political left embraced the opposite.

Despite two good finishes it’s clear Sneaky Pete is a weasel. He wants to be Obama, the commie wolf in sheep’s clothing from the Ivy League, but doesn’t hide his smugness well enough. Voters don’t like him.

That really leaves a fragmented “not Bernie” lane that has no hope of consolidating – so yeah, Bloomberg still has a chance at finishing 2nd. Really hope no one gets a majority – a brokered Charlie Foxtrot convention that prolongs the Dem divisions is ideal.

(PS Obama doesn’t really hide his smugness either but he sold it better to his supporters)

Commie YOU never worked till you were 40 never had a real job and own 3 house and your work over 2 million. THAT SHOULD NOT BE THE CASE.

Warren was really on the warpath last night, and Mike is going to have to work out some way of responding to her kinds of questions about his speckled sexual harassment history.

Now with that being said, I’m fairly sure that *every* billionaire has been faced with unfounded claims from wackos that have been easier to just sweep under the rug with a few thousand dollars worth of payoff. Heck, its one of the things that rising stars in Hollywood get hammered with by their agents. “It just takes one bimbo running to the papers to screw up your career, and it doesn’t matter if they’re telling the truth or lying, because they’ll print it, too.”

The so-called ‘moderate’ segment

I assume they are between Left and Radical Left

Mike Bloomberg is what the Democrats told us DJT is.

I lowered my TV standards today and watched Morning Joe to see what Mika, Joe, and Donnie Douchebag thought of Mini Mike. They were unanimous in their opinion – that Bloomberg was a bust.

Agree though that Mike’s money will allow him to pummel the airwaves and get votes based on his name recognition.

    Massinsanity in reply to EOS. | February 20, 2020 at 1:18 pm

    Bloomberg was a bust last night but it was inevitable. They were all going to go after him even the insane panel of questioners. I agree for Prof Jacobson, Bloomberg took some hits last night but he survived and his cash pile will let him continue and potentially wait out the attrition of all the other not Bernie candidates.

    The one who may be finished is Klobuchar. I thought she might cry. It was hard to watch.

Prof. Jacobsen, you are correct in saying that Bloomberg isn’t knocked out of the race by last night’s disaster, and you’re correct in saying that as long as he’s willing to pay the money, he literally can’t be knocked out until someone else wins 50+% of the delegates.

But in terms of winning directly through primaries, he’s done. The Democrat base is so far left they’d view voting for Bloomberg as “selling their souls”, and as long as Bernie is viable, they won’t do that.

Bloomberg’s strategy is this: use his money to outlast the other
“non-Bernies” and keep any of them from becoming the “Bernie alternative”. If he can also keep Bernie from getting to 50+% on the first ballot, his payoffs to all elements of the party should bring the super-delegates “all in” for him, allowing him to steal the nomination at the convention.

Unless the Democrats realize that would tear the party in half.

But even if they seek a another “not-Bernie”, Bloomberg could still run 3rd party, if the Democrats think that would help defeat Trump, or, at the very least, he can spend another billion or two on vicious attack ads on Trumps. Now, such ads would simply draw Trump’s supporters tighter around him in defense, but those ads only have to steal the 5% of Republicans who still don’t support the president in order to affect the national vote totals 1-2%, which might be the difference between winning and losing several battleground states.

Of course, all this assumes that Trump’s support is the 45-50% shown in the current polls, and not the 50-55% I think he winds up with when they finally switch from adults/registered voters to likely voters, and when they finally adjust (if they ever do) their sub-samples to reflect the current ratio of Republicans to Democrats reflected in surveys like the recent Gallup poll which showed the Republicans moving ahead of the Democrats (40 to 37) for the first time in years.

    notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to Evan3457. | February 20, 2020 at 9:47 pm

    Don’t underestimate the DNC’s willingness to do blatant fraud in faking polls, stealing votes, and everything else.

He allowed Trump to mess with his head, now he’s got to face the consequences.
He should have requested the box. Klobuchar did.

    rdmdawg in reply to Exiliado. | February 20, 2020 at 4:09 pm

    Pretty sure he had one, despite all that show before the debate about refusing it. He looked ‘normal-sized’ in this one.

    artichoke in reply to Exiliado. | February 20, 2020 at 11:12 pm

    Where did Klobuchar stand on a box? She was always obviously the shortest, next was Kamala Harris when she was still in the running.

Money is momentum… so he has that… but not much else.

I read this as meaning that it doesn’t matter how thoroughly cooked Bloomberg got, or gets between now and Super Tuesday — he’s staying in the broiler until the grease catches fire and burns down the kitchen.

Didn’t watch the debate … wouldn’t want to even if the only thing on TV. But I do get an impression from the various takes on it this morning.

Bloomberg will recover through advertising and may even get the Dem nod at a contested convention next summer.

But his performance at the debate, together with the soap box vs. platform shoes waffle-age suggests Trump will have no problem folding mini-Mike’s ears back and swallowing him whole. And Bernie – Trump will hammer him on communism / socialism and Bernie will lose it – perhaps have an on-stage health event for all the world to see.

I find it so amusing all the nutjobs, clowns and sniveling wimps vying for a shot at Trump. If the likes of Bloomberg can’t handle a verbal assault from the Dem clown car, what chance does he have with Trump?

The Democrats all suck; it’s just a matter of determining who sucks least.

I see one area of value for the Republicans from Bloomy. He is calling out what is wrong with the gang of leftists and they are not used to that nor can they hide from it. He has no chance of becoming the nominee because he is literally a manakin, (A small lifelike doll used in anatomy education), or mannequin, either a perfect description of Bloomy. He has no facial expressions and can think on his feet. Now the Dems have to decide what to do next. They can see Bernie gaining in every debate and Biden fading fast. That leaves Bloomy. If the Supers cheat as they did for obama then they can pull off a Bloomy ticket. But if they do, at least half of Bernie’s voters will not vote and their party will be damaged for years to come.

Bloomberg is done. Warren (like in “the Hunt for Red October” has fired the torpedo with out a safety. The cancel culture will soon come for him. It will also come for the influencers and hired media he depends on for support. If the other Dems supporters won’t do it Trump’s team will. The attack will soon start on social media on the individuals touting Bloomberg. Trump will Kavanaugh Bloomberg if he’s still standing. Rest assured everyone is seeking the apx. 60 NDA victims.

“Bernie is a hard core commie. You could hear it in his voice about the unequal distribution of wealth, as if there is some finite amount of wealth that gets carved up.”

Well, perhaps “you” can hear it. Unfortunately some will hear “The rich don’t deserve their riches, so take it and gimme.” And (of course) the lure of “free” medical care, “free” college, etc. And others really won’t care who or what he is, only that he’s an alternative to Trump.

Investing in Bernie seems like the “fear vs greed” balance inherent in investing: greed that Bernie seems the weakest of all the candidates, fear that he just might pull it off.

Trump won in 2016 because many Democrats didn’t bother voting for Clinton. After all, she generated little enthusiasm, and, why turn out to show support for such an unlikable candidate when she’s sure to win anyway?

They won’t make that mistake again; dislike of Trump will, er, trump concern over who and what Bernie is, and what he might do if he wins.

Bernie was sort of cute as mayor of Burlington, as one expects such lack of seriousness from a sort-of college town in Vermont and where he could do little harm. As U.S. Senator he might have done more damage, yet as a socialist he’s always maintained some distance from the Democratic Party.

The prospect that he might be POTUS is not cute. But it is possible.

Little harm, other than making a college town into a former college town.

“Trump will have no problem folding mini-Mike’s ears back and swallowing him whole.”

Brilliant imagery!

Chance of winning or not, Mikey’s got too much money left over to be getting out any time soon.

notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital | February 20, 2020 at 3:29 pm

Professor Jacobson is Spot On!

Two points to consider.

The DNC is broke and is lusting after Bloomberg’s Billion$ so hard you can almost see, heard, and smell the DNC’s mad lust.

DNC doesn’t want Bernie – an outsider – to be the Nom, regardless of all the top DNC “leaders” talking “sweet talk” about backing a socialist they’ve done for the past two weeks. If nothing more, then Bloomberg is the crowbar to try and pry the nom out of Bernies hands – maybe his “dead” hands even.

Rush has bloomingturd’s number. He’s insanely jealous of Trump’s success without understanding any of the reasons behind it.
I kind of hope he is the dem nominee if for no other reason than to see him collapse upon finding out how badly he’ll lose to PDJT. That could almost rival Reagan’s second election numbers.

    Bill Quick in reply to 4fun. | February 20, 2020 at 9:51 pm

    As Bloomberg mentioned during the debate a couple of times, he’s been giving a lot of money to Democrats – and we know he gave 300k to the DNC right before he entered the race, whereupon they changed the debate rules.

    In politics, money doesn’t talk, it screams. The general public has the attention span of gnats. This debate will be forgotten and Bloomberg, standing on his gigantic wallet, will be dragging in votes and delegates right up until the convention. At which point you can expect all 500+ superdelegates to be permitted, by emergency DNC rule changes, to vote on the first ballot.

    The people who own the Democrat Party – and that included Michael Bloomberg – will do anything to keep Bernie Sanders from being the nominee. They view a temporary split, even if it costs them the election with Bloomberg as their candidate, as acceptable. They know they can live with Trump.

    They know they can’t live with President Sanders, if he should somehow win the presidency. And they only way they can be sure that doesn’t happen is to deny him their nomination. So they will find some way, no matter how raw, to do that.

    artichoke in reply to 4fun. | February 20, 2020 at 11:08 pm

    Jealous in some ways, not others. Bloomberg did 3 terms of as mayor of NYC where 2 terms is max, the greatest city in the world, and he was its greatest mayor. Sure president’s a bigger job. So score one for Trump.

    But Bloomberg has made much more money than Trump, and started in the middle class rather than with a small loan of $1 million. That comparison goes to Bloomberg.

    Massive respect to both, and Bloomberg would be a very competent president. I just prefer Trump. And morally after all the garbage the Dems have put him through, they really owe him the second term. That is, if they were moral, which of course they’re not.

I thought Bloomberg did OK. The attacks were unavoidable. He managed not to say any embarrassing things that he’ll regret late. Everyone’s shot their ammo now at him.

Next debate that stuff will sound old. Bloomberg is just getting his bearings.

Agree, Klobuchar’s done. She comes across as a total lightweight. Not knowing a damn thing about the President of Mexico (the guy didn’t just ask her to say his name, he asked if she knows anything about her, and she didn’t) should be enough on its own, but Buttigieg made it stick, didn’t let her evade, and finally she lost her temper and had her losing moment:

“Do you think I’m stupid?”

Some people will be tempted to answer yes. We don’t want a clueless ditz doing our foreign policy. “Hey I know the name now, I know more about Mexico than you think I do!” This is not how a president talks. Or even a senator for that matter, but her seat’s not at risk.

    notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to artichoke. | February 21, 2020 at 12:05 am

    All the news dumps ON Bloomberg this week reminded me of one of the Evil MSM’s favorite tricks.

    Dumping bad news very early on, so they can totally ignore it or work up sneaky operational lies for all the bad.

    Once an EVIL Media, always an EVIL Media.

    Throw Dorothy’s pail of water on those Evil Dog snatching Media! Snark.

It’s a long way till November. And the DNC hates sanders.

My opinion: Bloomburg will stay alive until the end, despite his primary results. Most voters don’t watch the debates and his financed message across the airwaves, social media, and donations to black churches and organizations will work. He has “only” spent 450M – probably willing to spend $5B. Buttigieg will also be propped via polls (voting machine irregularities?) until the convention. Those who drop out will split any earned delegates to keep Bernie under 50%. Bernie, Bloomberg, Buttigieg until the Convention.

The Democrat Party may have changed their Convention rules to move the Super Delegates to round two, but they intend to control who gets the nomination. They will do whatever they can to keep Bernie off the ticket. They may believe Bernie can’t win, but they can’t win without the support of the Bernie voter, either.

Prediction: Buttigieg. He’ll lose to Trump, but be teed up for 2024. Dems plan to continue to disrupt and resist Trump Presidency until then.

My opinion: Bloomburg will stay alive until the end, despite his primary results. Most voters don’t watch the debates and his financed message across the airwaves, social media, and donations to black churches and organizations will work. He has “only” spent 450M – probably willing to spend $5B. Buttigieg will also be propped via polls (voting machine irregularities?) until the convention. Those who drop out will split any earned delegates to keep Bernie under 50%. Bernie, Bloomberg, Buttigieg until the Convention.

The Democrat Party may have changed their Convention rules to move the Super Delegates to round two, but they intend to control who gets the nomination. They will do whatever they can to keep Bernie off the ticket. They may believe Bernie can’t win, but they can’t win without the support of the Bernie voter, either.

Prediction: Buttigieg. He’ll lose to Trump, but be teed up for 2024. Dems plan to continue to disrupt and resist Trump Presidency until then.

Billions of dollars will get you a substantial way in American politics, but Bloomberg has too many minuses–his wacko anti-soda pop obsession, his fanatical anti-gun attitude–but his heaviest burden is that in his early days as mayor before he got his delusion about being presidential material he stood firm for activist policing–you can imagine how that will overweigh the black lives matter crowd.

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