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Trump may offer $1 million for Elizabeth Warren to take DNA test, but maybe she already has

Trump may offer $1 million for Elizabeth Warren to take DNA test, but maybe she already has

While a DNA test alone cannot establish Warren as Native American, it could exclude her — but has anyone asked her whether she or a close relative already has been tested?

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/07/05/donald-trump-rips-pocahontas-elizabeth-warren-2020-opponent-montana-rally

I know Trump and Elizabeth Warren are fighting when traffic to Elizabeth Warren Wiki’s Elizabeth Warren Native American / Cherokee Controversy page spikes.

And it’s spiking, because Trump once again has poked Warren over her claim to be an undocumented Native American.

As before, Trump referred to Warren as “Pochahontas” — part of the branding Trump has been engaged in for over a year. I explored this branding concept in late April 2017, Trump branding of Elizabeth Warren as Fake Indian continues, expecting her to run in 2020:

Trump is branding her. And being someone who was a fake Indian is her brand. She’ll never shake it.

I haven’t see a survey doing a word association for Warren, but I would expect that for a substantial part of the voting population “fake Indian” or a similar term is the first word association for Warren. Just like “Low Energy Jeb” and “Little Marco” stuck to prior Trump opponents.

Warren’s attempt “bear hug” the “Pocahontas” term, to try to get so close to the issue that she turned a negative into a positive, is unproductive because it means people are focusing on Warren’s lack of proof she’s native American. The more people talk about it, the more the brand becomes part of the public perception of Warren.

At this point, Warren’s Native American scandal is the elephant in every room she’s in, and Trump is not going to let that go.

There’s a reason Trump has latched onto branding Warren so early and often. Trump expects Warren to be the 2020 Dem nominee (and I agree).

MassLive reports on the latest, including Warren’s attempt to deflect Trump’s attacks by raising the separation of children at the border when their parents are arrested:

In a campaign stop Thursday, President Trump again slammed Sen. Elizabeth Warren, calling her “Pocahontas” and ridiculing her claims of Native American ancestry.

”I’ll give you a million dollars for your favorite charity, paid for by Trump, if you take the test and it shows you’re an Indian,” Trump told a crowd in Great Falls, Mont. “We will take that little kit, but we have to do it gently because we’re in the #MeToo generation, so we have to be very gentle, and we will very gently take that kit and we will slowly toss it.” …

She responded Thursday on Twitter, alleging Trump sought to redirect national attention from migrant children separated from their families at the border.

“While you obsess over my genes, your Admin is conducting DNA tests on little kids because you ripped them from their mamas & you are too incompetent to reunite them in time to meet a court order,” she wrote in a tweet, tagging the president. “Maybe you should focus on fixing the lives you’re destroying.”

I understand the optics of the demand for a DNA test, but as I’ve pointed out before, No, Elizabeth Warren cannot prove she’s Native American merely by taking a DNA test:

This demand for a DNA test has been made by one of Warren’s 2018 Senate race challengers as well as others. Joan Venocchi at The Boston Globe also made the argument, Taking a DNA test could solve at least one of Elizabeth Warren’s problems.

This claim that all Warren need do is show any Native American DNA, no matter how small, reflects a fundamental misunderstanding of Warren’s claim to be Native American for employment purposes. Under clear EEOC and Harvard standards, Native American ancestry would not be sufficient to claim Native American status for employment purposes, which is what Warren did.

I addressed this issue in 2012, At debate Elizabeth Warren needs to disclose if she made false federal filings….

If Warren can show she truly is a descendant of the original peoples of North America via a DNA test, that’s the start, not the end. She will not have proven she was justified in claiming Native American status for employment (and career advancement) purposes. She still would have to prove the second part of the test, that she maintained cultural identification through tribal affiliation or community recognition.

Regardless of DNA, Warren cannot show cultural identification. Until her recent speech, Warren never associated with Native Americans.

Demanding Warren take a DNA test is politically understandable. A negative result would completely eliminate her claim to be Native American.

But a positive DNA result would not retroactively justify Warren misusing Native American identification to try to advance her career.

The one question I’ve never heard anyone ask Warren in an interview is whether she or a close relative already has taken a DNA test, and what the result was. It’s important to include relatives, because Warren is smart enough not to do it herself, so she can deny that she took the test.

So, has she been asked? Has she answered?

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Don Surber makes the point she wins by taking the bet: She has some tiny bit of Native American DNA (win) and she can blame her family lore if she loses. And she can potentially donate $1,000,000 to some Native American charity if she takes Trump’s challenge.

But she will probably not take the bait.

    RobM in reply to EBL. | July 6, 2018 at 6:51 pm

    If I heard the President correctly, she only gets the million if she IS proved a Indian. Makes no sense to offer her a million to just get tested.

      All she has to do is say she will take the test if he donates the $1,000,000 to some legitimate Native American charity. But she won’t do that. She’s not [a] brave.

I’m sure she already has, under an assumed name so that plausible deniability would be in play. It was the obvious move to make, if she had come up positive it would have neutralized all of the attacks on her, and she had a decent chance, as many people have those markers. How disappointing it must have been to her to find out that she crapped out on that roll of the dice.

Now once that’s happened, of course you’ll never take a DNA test, because you know how it’s gonna turn out.

    Jackie in reply to Tom Servo. | July 6, 2018 at 3:44 pm

    I agree. There is no way she didn’t take the test. Use a staff members name and if she comes up even 5% Native American she will claim it. She came up zero and that’s why she avoids it. Nobody can give someone a name and then use it as well as Trump. She will keep changing the subject and use that stupid cheekbones and the elopement story. There was no elopement. Her ancestors marriage was reported in the newspaper

    pfg in reply to Tom Servo. | July 6, 2018 at 4:14 pm

    If Obama’s grades/SATs/LSATs have been good his flaks would have worn out rooftops as they sang of his brilliance and how lucky we are to walk on the Earth at the same time as this person.

    Same with Warren. Of course she’s taken the test. The results are disappointing like Obama’s grades.

    The left just lies and lies.

Just in! Elizabeth Warren responds to Donald Trump:

Hey @realDonaldTrump , you’re a doody head who has doody. On his head. So shut up, shut up, SHUT UP you, you , you… doodyhead!

No, Elizabeth Warren cannot prove she’s Native American merely by taking a DNA test

Wouldn’t matter; she’d just insist she’s been “exonerated” by the test, in the same way Hillary claimed that Comey’s statement that she was indeed guilty of mishandling classified e-mails but was too stupid to prosecute was an exhoneration. The truth will be submerged by repetitious lies. As usual.

The issue isn’t her claiming to be something she is BUT the fact she appropriated another peoples culture for her own selfish self enrichment.

THAT is what we should be talking about (using liberal tactics against liberals).

Although I love that Trump takes the piss out of people and they can’t fight back because it just looks lame when they do.

Elizabeth Warren won’t do it because she is like Hillary, morally weak.

caseoftheblues | July 6, 2018 at 3:51 pm

She’s already illegally gamed the system and needs to be held accountable for it. Its not just any speck of DNA being present and showing some native American heritage there is a process well beyond her grandma talking about high cheek bones as Ms Warren surely should know. Depending on tribe 25% to 1/16th( one great great grandparent) ancestry must be evaluated, proven and most importantly ACCEPTED by the tribe and added to their membership rolls you are applying to BEFORE you can start claiming native American ancestry and claiming benefits from that.

    tom_swift in reply to caseoftheblues. | July 6, 2018 at 6:27 pm

    She’s already illegally gamed the system

    Illegally? How so? She landed a job otherwise beyond the reach of anyone with her meager qualifications, and Harvard can fill one of its empty quota slots. And everybody’s happy. The downside is that all those bona fide American Indians queued up for Harvard faculty positions are cheated … or they would be, if there were any waiting in line.

    All this miserable episode does is establish that both Harvard and Warren are Social Justice frauds, but not obviously frauds in any criminal sense.

    Milhouse in reply to caseoftheblues. | July 8, 2018 at 5:58 am

    She didn’t do anything illegal. Merely dishonest.

a DNA test alone cannot establish Warren as Native American, it could exclude her

Yes.

“Demanding Warren take a DNA test is politically understandable. A negative result would completely eliminate her claim to be Native American.”

This is simply not so. After just a very few generations it becomes a real crapshot as to which ancestor’s DNA you retain. My Filipina wife has documented Spanish heritage from her mother’s side yet not a trace of it showed in her DNA test.

This explains the process in an easy to follow way:

https://genetics.thetech.org/ask-a-geneticist/same-dna-different-ancestry-results

    Dathurtz in reply to jack burton. | July 6, 2018 at 7:25 pm

    The science isn’t perfect, for sure. Still, it is pretty good. What isn’t reliable are the”%ethnic group” readings.

    You can match pretty darn well for quite a few generations back. We have matched, and since figured out the connection, from people in a family that diverged from ours in the early 1700s. If the senator is descended from an Indian tribe, then it will show up in the DNA test simply because interbreeding between Indians and Whites isn’t really that old.

“your Admin is conducting DNA tests on little kids because you ripped them from their mamas”
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The DNA tests are being conducted to make sure that the kids are turned over to their actual mamas (or dads or other family members), and not to the cartel thugs, smugglers, sex traffickers, etc., who for years now have been using these kids as human shields and lying about being their parents as they cross the border illegally with them, ever since Barry Obama advised illegal aliens that they could use kids as a means of improving their chances of being able to stay here.

And if Lie-a-watha Warren had ever given a hot damn about the safety and well-being of these foreign kids, she would have been raising holy hell about Obama’s creation of these obvious incentives to abuse and exploit these vulnerable kids, instead of applauding his corrupt disregard of our immigration laws.

Instead, this miserable hypocrite faults Trump for trying to keep the kids safe and re-unite them with their real families.

I hope the President uses her example of why racial set-asides and affirmative action initiatives are so meaningless. You have a white woman from Oklahoma, checking the American Indian box on her application at Harvard, and Harvard toots this hire as the bestest thing ever! Based on family lore and high cheek bones! Remember, she made this claim BEFORE DNA tests for this routine stuff was routine.

I’d pound that point. That well-intended programs for the aggrieved have routinely been hijacked, and instead of crack down on the fraud, let’s all agree it’s time to end them. These programs attract abuse and fraud and have divided America along tribal lines. Let’s move forward… on merit!

    Milhouse in reply to RobM. | July 8, 2018 at 6:00 am

    checking the American Indian box on her application at Harvard

    There’s no evidence she did that.

Just about anybody who has ancestors going back in the states over 100 years might be part Indian. There was a fair amount of mixing Wayback in the day, it means nothing. If that’s all it takes to be Indian, then all of the Cowboys were also Indians.

If the test comes back that Fauxcahontas is 1125% Cherokee, she’ll still be a corrupt fascist asshole, neither worthy of anyone’s attention, let alone public office.

Trump should offer the million to the testing companies for the results of the test she says she never took…

caseoftheblues | July 7, 2018 at 11:01 am

Tom_Swift

Illegally? How so?…..

She committed fraud by stating she was Native American knowing that she was not. No tribe accepts 1/32 as an acceptable blood quorum. So even IF her family lore were true claiming tribe membership was fraudulent she would not be considered native american. People who use fraud to gain financially can and have been held legally responsible though that varies quite a bit state to state. Yale for one has gone after applicants who lied to recover scholarship funds granted due to lies on application.

    tom_swift in reply to caseoftheblues. | July 7, 2018 at 8:41 pm

    Super! So what’s the crime? Lying generally isn’t a crime. Lying for financial gain may or may not be. People love to toss around the word “fraud” like they’ve just noticed something terribly profound. If there’s a crime involved, then let’s see her charged. If there isn’t, let’s stop pretending there is. Fooling Harvard in a way that it wants to be fooled is probably not a crime—but if it is, let’s see some action. Meanwhile, let’s leave the lies and the propaganda to the leftards.

Trump expects Warren to be the 2020 Dem nominee (and I agree).

I’ve analyzed this before, and I’ll do it again here:

It is highly unlikely that Elizabeth Warren will be the Democratic nominee in 2020. I am highly suspect that she will even announce a candidacy.

Donald J. Trump, at inauguration, became the oldest president inaugurated in the history of the United States (previous was Ronaldus Magnus, who took the oath of office at age 69)

Here’s a great info-graphic: https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/582342af691e8861008b5bd6-750-1660.png

IF Elizabeth Warren runs, she will be the oldest elected President at 71 years, 4 months and 12 days on election day. She does NOT have the energy for that. There is no way Elizabeth Warren makes it through a Presidential Campaign (which will last at least 18 months) against Donald J. Trump.

The two oldest CANDIDATES to have run for President were Bob Dole (at age 73) and John McCain (at age 72). Bob Dole fell ONCE, through no fault of his own when a stage railing that he was leaning on gave way, and his presidential campaign never recovered. John McCain, while making every effort to stay active and engaged in his presidential campaign, was VERY worn at the end of it (but having Cindy McCain, effectively a trophy wife, being 17 years younger than him helped the image). Hillary Clinton had to be propped up with drugs and aides simply to make it through the day for her own public appearances.

Elizabeth Warren doesn’t have the energy of McCain or Trump. She doesn’t even have the energy that Bob Dole had at the time of his campaign. She can show small bursts of it during “campaign style” appearances, but in any protracted appearances, she loses steam and then is burned out.

Warren’s opportunity was in 2016. She made a choice not to run then (because she could read the writing on the wall that a post-Obama presidency wasn’t in the cards for the Democrats, and didn’t want to end up getting “Fostered” by the Clintons). She engages the most radical elements of the Socialist Democrats and Marxist-Leninist Progressives, but she’s going to alienate just about EVERYBODY else. She may be a power behind the throne of any Democrat challenger, but I am highly skeptical that she will even run, much less be the nominee.

    tom_swift in reply to Chuck Skinner. | July 7, 2018 at 8:47 pm

    I don’t think the D’rats will even consider her as a candidate, even if she’s up to it. The “women’s vote” let them down in 2016. The “black vote” came through for them in 2008 and 2012. I believe they’ll pick a candidate with that in mind. Unless Warren can find some black ancestry somewhere, she won’t be in the running.

I understand the optics of the demand for a DNA test, but as I’ve pointed out before, No, Elizabeth Warren cannot prove she’s Native American merely by taking a DNA test:

I disagree. If a DNA test were to show significant Indian ancestry, that would automatically make her an Indian and justify her having said so. Being an Indian or not is a question of physical fact, not of law, so it doesn’t matter what regulations exist for tribal membership, she’s entitled to say what she is.

She never claimed to be a registered member of any tribe, or to be eligible for such registration. Not, as far as we know, did she ever claim to be eligible for reserved slots or to qualify for EEOC purposes. The only thing we know she did was list herself in a directory of “minority academics”, whose only purpose is to by used by people looking for a “minority” to hire. The directory didn’t even say what kind of minority she was claiming to be. This was certainly dishonest, but not illegal; and a positive DNA test would show that it wasn’t even dishonest.

But of course if she really had the Indian ancestry she’d have had the test done already.

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