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Kasich Offers to Buy Bibles for Opponents of Medicaid Expansion

Kasich Offers to Buy Bibles for Opponents of Medicaid Expansion

Compares fight for Medicaid expansion to fighting ISIS

Well, we can cross “Use Bible to Justify Government Subsidized Entitlement Expansion” off the 2016 presidential bingo card.

In a video published Tuesday, Ohio Governor and Republican Presidential candidate John Kasich offered to buy Bibles for those opposed to Medicaid expansion.

Medicaid’s negative impact on the quality of care and the doctors who participate in the program has been well documented. Last year, Professor Jacobson discussed Medicaid’s less than desirable effect on our health care system:

For months, nay years, I have been predicting that the promise of quality healthcare for the poor via rapidly expanded Medicaid enrollments was a house of cards, a fraud, a three-card monte game, a sham, a man-made disaster, a Gruberesque fake meant to deceive the “stupid” people into believing that the promise of Obamacare was real instead of styrofoam faux-Greek columns basking in the neon light of Hollywood-driven love and media sycophancy.

For many reasons, but mostly because doctors would not work for peanuts, they would revolt like the kulaks and choose not to work rather than see the fruits of their labors handed out for free or close to free:

  • Medicaid Fraud: Obamacare promise of free quality healthcare
  • Forced collectivization of the health care kulaks via single payer is inevitable under Obamacare
  • Not only can’t you keep your doctor, you may not even have a doctor
  • And now, for “BREAKING” news, As Medicaid Rolls Swell, Cuts in Payments to Doctors Threaten Access to Care (via Instapundit):

    Just as millions of people are gaining insurance through Medicaid, the program is poised to make deep cuts in payments to many doctors, prompting some physicians and consumer advocates to warn that the reductions could make it more difficult for Medicaid patients to obtain care.

    The Affordable Care Act provided a big increase in Medicaid payments for primary care in 2013 and 2014. But the increase expires on Thursday — just weeks after the Obama administration told the Supreme Court that doctors and other providers had no legal right to challenge the adequacy of payments they received from Medicaid.

    The impact will vary by state, but a study by the Urban Institute, a nonpartisan research organization, estimates that doctors who have been receiving the enhanced payments will see their fees for primary care cut by 43 percent, on average.

    Stephen Zuckerman, a health economist at the Urban Institute and co-author of the report, said Medicaid payments for primary care services could drop by 50 percent or more in California, Florida, New York and Pennsylvania, among other states.

    [H/T Jason Hart, Ohio Blogger Extraordinaire]

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    Henry Hawkins | October 6, 2015 at 7:37 pm

    Kasich courting evangelicals. If you oppose Medicaid expansion, you hate Jesus. Given time, he’ll work in “it’s for the kids” too.

      I don’t think that’s courting evangelicals. I think it’s turning them off. A politician saying “I’m more Christian than you Christians are”? No thanks.

        Henry Hawkins in reply to RKae. | October 7, 2015 at 9:51 am

        I said he’s courting evangelicals. I didn’t say he’s successfully courting evangelicals.

      Estragon in reply to Henry Hawkins. | October 7, 2015 at 12:23 am

      Kasich is just being his usual self-righteous jerk. He’s always been sanctimonious. He was very effective as Budget Chairman and more responsible than anyone else for the brief period of budget discipline in the ’90s, but he was a jerk even then.

      He’s not likable enough to be elected President, but you could do a lot worse in a Budget Director or at OMB.

    Ya know, it’s interesting to me.

    I am irreligious. But I DO understand…like Adam Smith…that there is utility in being kind. (Adam Smith was at least as important a moral philosopher as he was an economics pioneer!)

    Nobody has to MAKE me be charitable. In fact, nobody CAN make me charitable. I have, do, and will successfully find ways to defeat that. And you can’t compel charity, at any rate.

    So, again, I wonder what the hell Kasick is doing even running for POTUS. Not to be sarcastic, but he hasn’t a prayer…

    “Help your neighbor and take care of the poor and homeless.”

    Q. But Jesus, can’t we just give our money to the Romans and let them do it for us?

    “…Okay, I’m going to start over from the beginning. Let me know where I lost you.”

    mumzieistired | October 6, 2015 at 8:13 pm

    “Caring for the poor” does not equal “getting the poor hooked on the government drug”.

    In fact, turning people into government junkies is one of the worst things you can do for them.

      VetHusbandFather in reply to mumzieistired. | October 6, 2015 at 8:45 pm

      Governor Kasich, did you ‘care’ for your children by telling them they can live in your basement, for free, for the rest of their lives, or was it more caring to teach them to be responsible, productive members of society?

        Sammy Finkelman in reply to VetHusbandFather. | October 7, 2015 at 2:49 pm

        can live in your basement, for free, for the rest of their lives,

        Having your children live rent free in your basement for the rest of their lives (or buying them a house) in one thing.

        Having your children live rent free in your basement only on the condition that they stay poor, and not work, etc, is another thing.

      Observer in reply to mumzieistired. | October 7, 2015 at 10:55 am

      Yes, it’s baffling to hear Kasich insist that it “helps” the poor to force more of them into a bloated, inefficient, ineffective, government-run health insurance scheme when every study done on Medicaid shows that Medicaid recipients typically have WORSE health care outcomes than people who have no health insurance at all.

      If Kasich really wanted to do the “Christian” thing and help poor people, he’d encourage them to get off Medicaid; he wouldn’t be promoting and supporting an expansion of this miserably ineffective program.

        Sammy Finkelman in reply to Observer. | October 7, 2015 at 2:43 pm

        on Medicaid shows that Medicaid recipients typically have WORSE health care outcomes than people who have no health insurance at all.

        Couldn’t somethinbg like that be true because people otherwise eligibe for Medicaid go on Medicaid when they get sick and go to a hospital and see a doctor, or that people’s incomes drop and they become eligible for Medicaid (if their savinbgs are loe enough) when they get sick>

        But actually I think there is some stuiudy that showed people’s health outcomes did not get better adnd in fact got worse when they went onn Medicaid.

        Sometimes doctors, or some of what doctors do, hurts people, especially if they are asymptomatic.

    ugottabekiddinme | October 6, 2015 at 8:29 pm

    “Kasich offered to buy Bibles for those opposed to Medicaid expansion.”

    Great idea! Way better use of his time and money, to spread the gospel than to run for president. Let a few million people ask for their free Bible.

    What’s his address?

      Somebody should tell Kasich to spend his money buying himself a copy of the U.S. Constitution (and pssssst, Kasich, you might want to spend some extra time on that part called the First Amendment, because you seem not to have ever read or understood it).

    I NEVER got the Kasich boomlet

    It’s from the parable of the Good Samaritan.

    After finding a man lying hurt at the side of the rode, the Samaritan took the man to a nearby inn, where he forced the other people there at swordpoint to pay for the man’s care, after skimming a percentage off the top for himself.

    OK, Kasich. Can I take that Bible you want to give me, point to the numerous admonitions against adultery and say, “Let’s have the government take care of THIS, too!”?

    I’m so tired of big gov politicians thinking that they are conservatives. Big gov makes weak people. Compassion isn’t trapping people in gov programs because the gov has taken away their ability to be self-sufficient.

      jayjerome66 in reply to showtime8. | October 7, 2015 at 12:50 am

      “Big gov makes weak people.”

      Free Universal Health Care makes nations successful.

      Here’s just some of the world’s competitive economic powers who all provide free health care:

      United Kingdom

        tom swift in reply to jayjerome66. | October 7, 2015 at 3:39 am

        No need to look to foreign countries. We have a good dose of Federal health care here in the US. It’s call the US Department of Veterans Affairs, and it runs a health care system which is an absolute horror show.

        None for me, thanks. You’re welcome to it, as much as you can stand; or rather, as much as you can survive.

          jayjerome66 in reply to tom swift. | October 7, 2015 at 9:47 am

          So when your car gets a flat tire, you throw away the car and don’t fix the flat, right?

            JimMtnViewCaUSA in reply to jayjerome66. | October 7, 2015 at 11:01 am

            Personally I call my Congress person and ask when the gubmint repair truck will be coming by.

            forksdad in reply to jayjerome66. | October 7, 2015 at 1:45 pm

            Well you have to because it takes eight months to get the new tire. Then it doesn’t fit and it doesn’t matter because they no longer make tires for the old models.

            See we can play this game all day long.

            Jim & Forksdad have obviously seen the new #Obamacar proposal.

            Sammy Finkelman in reply to jayjerome66. | October 7, 2015 at 2:37 pm

            People have developed a tire – in fact several versions of a tire – that self-repairs (over the course of 12 to 48 hours, and heals faster when kept hot) but government regulation is slowing down its commercialization, although not anywhere near as much as would slow down anew medicine.

          Ragspierre in reply to tom swift. | October 7, 2015 at 12:41 pm

          jj(sad)trombone, that was a SURPASSINGLY stupid analogy, every by your standards.

          Better would be buying a Government Motors vehicle at Bentley prices that immediately goes about killing its owners.

          Subsequently, Government Motors assures the public it knows all about the problems, has adroitly gone about fixing them, and “stuff happens”. Oh, and send them MORE money!

          And more motorists are killed by the new and improved Government Motors product. Which people who served their nation are MANDATED to purchase.

          See? You lying SOS.

        Anonamom in reply to jayjerome66. | October 7, 2015 at 9:35 am

        Hmmm. I wonder how much closer to utter financial collapse those “competitive economic powers” would be if we weren’t paying for their defense?

          jayjerome66 in reply to Anonamom. | October 7, 2015 at 11:20 am

          So, let’s cut off military aid to all those countries listed!
          Just think how much money we’ll save!!
          Like somewhere between $0 and none.
          Because far as I can tell they don’t get any.
          I may be wrong and missed their names from the US Foreign Military Aid list, so why don’t you post a correction so misinformation won’t be perpetrated on this blog.

            forksdad in reply to jayjerome66. | October 7, 2015 at 1:48 pm

            Hell, I am wrong! Now I see that all those bases, joint maneuvers, NATO, cooperation agreements, giving aid and support, treaties and enforcement of same all that is not military.

            We have no troops in Germany still. We did not secure Europe against Russian aggression for most of my life.

            God, you really are a reliable reverse barometer. Whichever way you point go the opposite to find the truth.

            jayjerome66 in reply to jayjerome66. | October 7, 2015 at 6:21 pm

            You need to put those bases in perspective, Forky.

            They’re more for our benefit than the host nations – like Guantanamo isn’t there to protect Cubans.

            And many other military overseas bases face citizen opposition. Japan, for instance, where there were recent protest to evict American forces for low flying thraining aircraft.

            Most of our European bases are used for US intelligence gathering, and for airfields to provide strategic refueling bases, or to have American forces in place to confront terrorists and others hostile to us as well as the host nations.

            Bottom line, those monies paid by US taxpayers for joint operations and overseas bases are for OUR strategic joint security. They’re not giveaways in Europe like they are Egypt where we get little or nothing in return.

            Va-jj, you’re not thinking clearly (again).

            Are you suggesting that Germany, and the rest of Western Europe, don’t benefit from the “security umbrella” our forces based in Europe provide?

            jayjerome66 in reply to jayjerome66. | October 9, 2015 at 6:47 pm

            Sure it protects them, and us.
            We rely on those foreign bases for our own security as well..

            But the original point was in response to Ananomom claiming those nations wouldn’t be economically viable because of all the money they were saving on their own militar budgets blah blah blah.

            Go back and read the thread from the beginning

        Milhouse in reply to jayjerome66. | October 7, 2015 at 2:07 pm

        Wrong. To whatever extent those nations succeed, they do so despite socialism, not because of it.

          jayjerome66 in reply to Milhouse. | October 7, 2015 at 4:51 pm

          Milhouse, I have this screen saver ROKU app that flashes Random Shakespeare quotes on my TV, and this one popped up just as I was reading your comment. I think it’s appropriate to your statement:

          “It is like a barber’s chair that fits all buttocks”

          The barber’s chair is your general statement, and the buttocks in question is the name of the economic system under attack by critics of it and proponents of another. And the Socialists could just as dumbly say it about Capitalism. Dumb because both are wrong.

          All the successful economics nations listed, ours included, meld socialism and capitalism. It’s like the Love and Marriage song – you can’t have one without the other and have a successful society. And most if not all of the nation’s I listed seem to be doing fine, and in many ways much better than us. The Scandinavian nations listed always seem to do better then us on those Quality of Life and National Happiness surveys. Australia, a nation with free basic health care for everyone (and tight gun control law) is almost always at the tops of those surveys.

          I’ll bet if they do a National Life is Bitch poll the U.S. comes out on top. Too much political static roils the brain, Milhouse. And that’s when you need something to soothe your savage Conservative breast.

    Teach a man to fish; he can feed himself the rest of his life. Give a man a fish; he’s your dependent the rest of his life.

      jayjerome66 in reply to rabidfox. | October 7, 2015 at 5:39 pm

      Or give a man a fish, and maybe he’ll clean it and cook it for you
      And maybe the next time you don’t catch one, he’ll share his.

      It’s a very ‘maybe’ universe we live in.
      Maybe you’ll wise up to that someday.

        Except that in your socialist paradise, Jay, both people are forced to give any fish they catch to agents of the State, who consume 80% of it themselves and then dole out the remainder to whoever they feel most “deserves” it that day (and whoever’s vote they think they can buy with it).

          jayjerome66 in reply to Amy in FL. | October 7, 2015 at 8:45 pm

          Damn it, Amy. You still don’t get it!
          There is no Liberal OR Conservative paradise.
          In the real world societies function on sliding scales of efficacy.
          Since the end of WWII the nation’s we consider ‘democracies’ in the broad sense, like us share our standards of constitutional government. Like us, they have freedom of the press, similar justice systems where the accused are considered innocent until proven guilty, similar views on privacy and sexuality and religious freedom from government sanction. Their economies are like ours – because we all share and compete in the same markets. And ALL of them have meldings of socialism and Capatilism.

          Socialism and Capitalism in excess are bad for people in general.
          Socialism and Capitalisn in balance produce more harmonious societies.

          And that’s the truth!

      murkyv in reply to rabidfox. | October 7, 2015 at 7:58 pm

      Teach a liberal to fish and he’ll just sit in the boat all day whining that you should just give him your fish.

      “Worms are icky”
      “I’m cold”
      “I’m hot”
      “I’m hungry”
      “I’m bored”
      “The fish feels pain”
      “Fish are going extinct…Global Warming”
      “You can’t keep that fish because he considers himself a sea tortoise”

        jayjerome66 in reply to murkyv. | October 7, 2015 at 8:27 pm

        Hahha ha . Good one. I gave you a thumbs-up!

        But – and this is TRUE – it sounds just like my Conservative Republican mother-in-law on our last lake fishing outing, in a rowboat I of course had to propel. And yes, we both caught bass; and yes, I cleaned them all and she cooked them all.

    Yeah Kasich, he’s a socialist in disguise, just like that other guy who expanded Medicaid three times. What was his name again Ralphie? Ricthie? Oh Ronnie Reagan. That’s him.

    Mr Kasich should study his Bible a bit more. I believe it was Paul’s letter to the Ephesians where he stated that those who do not work (and are healthy) shall not be fed. This is a theme throughout the Bible that starts with sloth being labeled as a sin.
    Additionally, Jesus and others in the Bible say that not only should we not sin, but that we should not enable others to sin. By creating nonstop welfare where sloth is enabled throughout a healthy population, we have created a system that is inherently sinful. If Mr. Kasich was more in tune with the Bible, he would know this and fight the institutionalized enabling of sloth as it is contrary to Biblical teachings.

    Henry Hawkins | October 7, 2015 at 9:59 am

    Whenever I see someone use Bible quotes or references to make an argument on a secular subject, it usually takes about, oh, ten seconds for someone to post other Bible quotes that completely contradict it. In terms of debate, both are logical fallacies anyway, appeals to authority rather than to specific, pertinent merits.

      jayjerome66 in reply to Henry Hawkins. | October 7, 2015 at 11:35 am

      Henry, you’re absolutely 100% right.
      (Agggg, I said it, forgive me O Lord of Light!).

      And to prove the accuracy of your statement (tho in somewhat more then 10 seconds) here’s a contradictory quote Kaisch could have used:

      proverbs 28:27 – He that giveth unto the poor shall not lack: but he that hideth his eyes shall have many a curse.

      Proverbs 26:4.

    Reform, not through the preservation of the status quo, but actually its expansion. We could address economic stagnation, un and under-employment, excessive immigration, monopolistic practices, inhospitable communities, but treating symptoms is emotionally appealing and highly lucrative.

      jayjerome66 in reply to n.n. | October 7, 2015 at 12:53 pm

      What status quo??

      Isn’t Extended Medicaid to provide extended health care?

      The other problems you mention all need attending, but how does providing better heath care for millions of people who already have jobs that don’t pay enough for them to afford health insurance effect under-employment or economic stagnation or monopolistic practices? It surely does address inhospitable communities, making them more hospitable for those who are genuinely sick and need care.

      Yesterday I went in for my yearly flu shot at Kaiser Permanente, and the lines were four times as long as usual — with mostly minority patients who, I assume, now are covered here by Extended Medicaid. Nevertheless, the lines moved quickly (more people have jobs at Kaiser, tending to the larger patient population – good for the economy, right) and I was in and out in ten minutes.

      And wasn’t the extra five minutes wait time from previous visits worth it to me, knowing so many more Los Angelinos won’t get the flu, which will further reduce their chances of spreading it, which will further reduce additional HIGHER costs at hospital emergency room, where the uninsured end up, pleading poverty and not paying anything anyway.

        Let me guess… the vast majority of those “poor” folks who were there getting their “free” shot on the tax-payer’s dime were wearing designer jeans and sneakers, had an iPhone they were yakking on the whole time, and drove up in a car that costs more than the apartment they live in (also subsidized). Their kids were playing on an iPad the whole time.

        How much does that flu shot cost? And why can’t they pay for their own flipping health care?

    Sammy Finkelman | October 7, 2015 at 2:34 pm

    In the Bible there was no means testing, except maybe for some crude guidelines (basically, people with no land got the right for food, which they had to do something proactive to collect, and in other cases a person was obligated to distribute food with some targeting advice.

    In the Talmud, Jewish charities used assets as a form of means testing for particular items – a person was allowed to have one month’s supply of food and one year’s supply of clothing and still be eligible for charity. The rule was give someone what they are missing – what they are used to,

    Medicaid is based on means testing, and not only that, but people can even be billed for what Medicaid gave them (which is, however, rarely collected).

    Henry Hawkins | October 7, 2015 at 3:58 pm

    There is a parade of oddity close behind me.