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Report: DeSantis Will Announce Presidential Run on Weds During Twitter Spaces Interview With Musk

Report: DeSantis Will Announce Presidential Run on Weds During Twitter Spaces Interview With Musk

It will take place at 6 PM ET.

Sources told Fox News that Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis will make his presidential candidacy announcement on Wednesday during a talk with Elon Musk at 6 PM ET.

Then DeSantis will file paperwork with the FEC before appearing on Fox with Trey Gowdy at 8 PM ET.


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Well we’ll well musk and DeSantis

Who would have thought /sarc

caseoftheblues | May 23, 2023 at 3:53 pm

What’s your point… do you even have one?

I will vote for the Republican candidate in the General Election – even if it is DeSantis – and for Trump in the primary. My opposition to DeSantis in the primaries can be summed up with these three points: Dishonest, Distraction, and Doctrine.

1) Dishonest: DeSantis is required by state law to resign as governor if he wishes to run for another office (letter & spirit). Yet he has not done so despite the fact that he has clearly been running for President for months and months. And he has not done so despite the fact that the Republican Lt Gov. would succeed him if he did resign.

The significance of his actions is even more critical now that It has become clear that the USA has a two-tiered justice system – and some are “above the law”.

2) Distraction: I support many of the positions/ actions that DeSantis has taken. Just like I support many of the positions/ actions that other Governors have taken – often under more difficult circumstances (see Youngkin in VA).

Yet my respect for DeSantis has declined for the simple reason that he and his staff do not appear to respect the public. They behave as if we do not understand the difference between “shiny objects” and substance. And they behave as if we do not understand that he is using his office as Governor to primarily promote DeSantis – versus to primarily care for the citizens of FL – even if the citizens receive some benefit too.

DeSantis’ use of Florida’ Governor office to promote himself will only increase – what would he be without his “distraction pulpit” – which is why he refused to honor the letter & spirit of the law.

3) Doctrine: It is not DeSantis fault that the responsibilities of a state Executive (Governor) are not as complex or challenging as those of the federal Executive (President). Nor is it his fault that his cumulative experiences to date do not match those of someone who has held the federal Executive office. Yet a “bushel basket” of distractions – while necessary or useful – is not the makings of a Presidential Doctrine.

“Make America Great Again” was the makings of the most consequential Presidential Doctrine in our lifetimes: Economic Security is National Security. DeSantis has nothing comparable – the makings – and to date has not demonstrated that he ever will. **

** = To be fair, most Presidential candidates and Presidents have not either; yet, that is the bar that must be cleared now.

Name the three most consequential Presidents in your lifetime; then name their Presidential Doctrine.

    gonzotx in reply to luckydog. | May 23, 2023 at 4:15 pm

    I agree with everything you said, and there’s more, his money handlers for one
    The fact that he’s being pushed by griffin, bush, Ryan, Romney, Rove, McConnell, and the rest of the RINOs….look at his congressional record for God sakes, he voted to raise SS to 70, he voted to decrease spending on Medicare 3 times, he back tracked on Ukraine in 24 hours…he has stated while in congress that he mirrors himself after Ryan, oh dear God..

    The old adage is always true, follow the money, follow the money.

    And loyalties in life are important, his loyalty is to money, Ronnie is bound to serve his masters, which is why Musk, who wouldn’t be close to what he has become with the American taxpayers money.

    Musk wants to be sure that keeps rolling his way, as well as his Chinese money amd connections.

    DeSantis would make sure of that.

    I’m President Trump who thrown in jail we are done as a nation and I am pretty sure they are prepared do it

    What will we do?

    Probably Jack Sh!t… Jan 6 had a real numbing on American values and courage

    I won’t vote for Jack sh!t ever again

    It’s Trump, or nobody

      CommoChief in reply to gonzotx. | May 23, 2023 at 4:29 pm

      Let’s discuss Social Security. What concrete steps do you propose to prevent the coming 25% cut in payments to beneficiaries in 2034?

      As a Gen X member I have no problem with raising the age to 70 for our cohort. The oldest members of Gen X are 58 and nearly a decade to adjust while most of us have a little more time. Social Security was not designed to support what it has become with most folks drawing benefits for decades.

        alien in reply to CommoChief. | May 23, 2023 at 5:41 pm

        That shouldn’t be a big deal — the age for full SS benefits is 68 for anyone born after 1961.

          CommoChief in reply to alien. | May 23, 2023 at 5:58 pm

          It will take more than that though. The low hanging fruit of adjustments
          1. Increase # of years worked to qualify from the current ten and make it twenty five years
          2. Eliminate new Spousal benefits claims, which are a relic of the pre feminist era. Women have been working full time in large numbers since the 1960’s. It’s an individual benefit and it should revert to that framework.
          3. End the early retirement claim option. If someone is physically unable to work they qualify for Disability benefits and draw those until full retirement eligibility age.

          Do those three things + raise ret age to 70 before Congress asks for more taxes from current and future workers. Some of us have been paying the current level of Social Security taxes adopted in ’86 our entire lives; Gen X and beyond. Boomers not so much, they gonna have to give a little on their end.

        healthguyfsu in reply to CommoChief. | May 23, 2023 at 6:35 pm

        Let’s cut off the grifters and that fixes most of our problems…and leave the money untouched by spend projects. Some of your proposed solutions will help.

          alien in reply to healthguyfsu. | May 23, 2023 at 6:55 pm

          CommoChief — “Boomers not so much, they gonna have to give a little on their end.”

          What changes do you propose for those of us who are already drawing SS?

          CommoChief in reply to healthguyfsu. | May 23, 2023 at 7:23 pm


          Anyone already collecting Social Security should be grandfathered. It’s unfair to change the program structure for them.

          Those already drawing or about to draw come unglued about any potential changes and immediately campaign to stop any changes. It’s understandable up to a point. The issue I have is that many of them continue to oppose changes even when those changes won’t effect them. Or worse just want Social Security taxes raised (again) or demand transfer from general tax revenue but refuse all reforms.

          They seem to follow the AARP like the pied piper. That’s why we haven’t had any structural reform since ’86. The can got kicked over and over as a result. The end of the road is in 2034 and if we do nothing then a 25% cut to beneficiaries is the reality.

          CommoChief in reply to healthguyfsu. | May 23, 2023 at 7:24 pm

          How do we do that exactly?

        To add perspective. When SS was introduced in 1935, full retirement age was 65 and male life expectancy at birth was 60. Now male life expectancy is 77, while SS full retirement age has only gone up to age 67.

        I am professionally familiar with SS. A useful change would be to remove the salary cap on SS taxation, $160,200 for 2023. That is because the combination of the SS benefit formula and Federal Income taxation gives roughly 1/10 the monthly benefit return for the highest dollar of average wage base versus the first dollar. In other words, taxing income above $160,200, those who can afford to pay more, gives a dreadful benefit return (adding more money net to the system).

        joejoejoe in reply to CommoChief. | May 24, 2023 at 9:11 am

        How about give eliminate ss for those under 45 at time of paasage, giving contributions back and for us older, give us option to take back what they took and invest any way we please. And eliminate all cabinet offices except Staye and Defense, renaming defense dept of war, and bring back military applicant briefing item on separation policy for the recruiters. And add coolidge and reagan to rushmore

          CommoChief in reply to joejoejoe. | May 24, 2023 at 9:24 am

          You don’t seem to understand that your Social Security taxes funded the prior generation’s benefits and have already been spent. The surplus above those payments to current beneficiaries was borrowed from Social Security to fund general budget items; boondoggles, battleships and great society programs.

          There isn’t an ‘account’ with your Social Security taxes sitting in it waiting for you to collect. To do what you propose would require massive federal tax increases to get the funds to pay it out. Beyond that everyone on Social Security gets back every dime of their Social Security taxes paid within 3-5 years of getting benefits other than those at the top of the income scale for long duration.

          Go for it if that’s your proposal but I don’t see any ground well of public support for that plan due to heavy costs involved.

        txvet2 in reply to CommoChief. | May 25, 2023 at 12:30 am

        Have you ever noticed, when you get into specifics, that Gonzo quietly disappears?

      Telemachus in reply to gonzotx. | May 23, 2023 at 4:53 pm

      “It’s Trump, or nobody.”

      If it’s someone other than Trump, are you saying that you’ll sit out the general. If that happens en masse among OnlyTrump supporters then it’s Dems all the way down. What, exactly, did you mean by this? If he isn’t on the ticket in the general will you sit out the vote for Congressional races, as well?

      I believe that it is a rational fear that if Trump wins the primary the Dems will win the presidency, keep the Senate, and re-take the House.

      geronl in reply to gonzotx. | May 23, 2023 at 6:00 pm

      With the Lincoln Project against DeSantis, Trump will be bringing them to his Bud Light rallies along with the leaders of Big Pharma to praise the vaccines and maybe Lady Bruce Jenner will be his VP candidate?

      Tiki in reply to gonzotx. | May 23, 2023 at 6:14 pm

      At least Trump pays his filthy whores for sex. Apparently Stormy was on his Bucket List. Well, he kicked that can down the road, eh! hahaha! Good times, bro!

      Bill Clinton simply raped the women he desired. So, Trump wins the Morality Contest on that alone.

      Would you forgive him if he happened to be a polygamist? Treating his wives like breeding stock? Melania Trump? Remember her? Yeah. Wives suck. Amirite?

      Trump decided that he is willing to partner with the pedophiles at Disney.
      Don Jr. wants you to buy Bud Light.

      You know who considered entitlement reform and said that cuts to entitlements were “on the table”? That’s right, Donald Trump.

      As president, Donald Trump privately pushed for banning AR-15-type rifles.

      Ghostrider in reply to gonzotx. | May 24, 2023 at 8:49 am

      DJT is damaged goods. While millions like you will always love him, equal millions will always despise him. His childish bullying behavior, poor policy decisions, and atricious hirings make him unelectable. Wrapping himself in the flag will never equal what several other conservative candidates have to offer. His campaign may talk in pugilistic terms but DJT has never been in the ring with actual opponents.

      It’s a damn shame that this is what it is coming down to. Trump’s miscalculations will do him in. You see revenge won’t win him reelection

    Telemachus in reply to luckydog. | May 23, 2023 at 4:42 pm

    I will also vote for the Republican in the general, even if it’s Trump. But, I will vote for DeSantis in the primary.

      gonzotx in reply to Telemachus. | May 23, 2023 at 5:00 pm

      40% of Americans depend solely on their SS check and Medicare

      They deserve better than to have the government destroy their limited ability to survive

      Should people have planned better, oh yes, but that’s hardly how this Ponzi scheme was sold to many people

      Almost all of our retirement plans have been abolished, mine, which would have been a good adjunct, was dissolved when I was near 60 and in its place was a pathetic plan.
      What I had expected and what I ended up with was 1/4 of what it was suppose to be.

      I had stocks and bonds and a 403, I was lucky, lots of people were not. I had planned o.n Working an additional 5 years full time but ended up with cancer and it was a shit show

      So I think we DONT destroy what little people have, we educate our children, and start the savings there.
      Clearly our businesses have decided, at least many, that retirement is on you. You may have a 401, and you may work for a company that puts in a decent amount , but many people don’t work for those kind of businesses .

      But we throw away trillions to other countries by being their military on our dime, 200 billion and counting for ukraine, allowing approximately 40 million illegals on our dime, school, housing, medical education

      But screw the old American citizen. We just can’t afford you

      Soylent Green comes to mind

        CommoChief in reply to gonzotx. | May 23, 2023 at 5:47 pm

        I mostly agree but however fine a statement it is not a plan. What concrete steps do you propose to ensure that the 25% cut in Social Security benefits in 2034 is averted? Not sentiments or magical thinking but a series of concrete steps that put Social Security onto a sound footing for the next 50-75 years?

        Refusing to present a proposal locks in the absolute certainty that folks will take a 25% reduction in benefits if we do nothing. It sucks but there have to be changes to the Social Security System, otherwise in 2034 the checks to beneficiaries will be 25% smaller. As you correctly point out many folks can’t handle such a hit to their finances.

          gonzotx in reply to CommoChief. | May 23, 2023 at 7:01 pm

          They have been yelling the demise of SS since it’s inception, I have no doubt there are issues but let’s

          CLOSE the boarder, send back the 40 million illegals and stop spending trillions of dollars on other countries for a start

          CommoChief in reply to CommoChief. | May 23, 2023 at 7:35 pm

          Your willingness to ignore the problem in hopes it goes away is why we can’t get any reforms passed to preserve the system. Without reforms in 2034 there will be a shortfall of 25% in Social Security funds to pay beneficiaries.

          At that point the outlays from the general revenue side to pay back to Social Security trust fund the amounts borrowed in prior decades and spent on various boondoggles, battleships and great society programs will already be consuming a much larger share of the budget. There won’t be magic money to send out.

          This Scarlett O’hara routine is the prime reason we haven’t already fixed the problems. ‘Fiddle Dee Dee, I’ll worry about that tomorrow’. Well ‘tomorrow’ arrives in 2034 and every day wasted not taking action makes the size of the problem grow; just as it has for decades of inaction.

        henrybowman in reply to gonzotx. | May 23, 2023 at 7:21 pm

        “40% of Americans depend solely on their SS check and Medicare”
        Made theselves dependent on government socialism? Oh, my.
        And depended on a government promise? How Cherokee!

        “Should people have planned better, oh yes, but that’s hardly how this Ponzi scheme was sold to many people”
        It was an open secret to anyone who cared to learn anything about SS that it was a Ponzi scheme, and even odds that when it came your turn it may not even be there. And we were granted regular reminders of it, every time the fund was raided by politicians (the “lockbox years”).

        Yeah, sucks that the government stole money from us all that we could have (though many wouldn’t have) put towards our on retirements, but the trick was to treat it as a literal theft, i.e., money that was gone and you would never see again, and plan the rest of your life accordingly.

          CommoChief in reply to henrybowman. | May 23, 2023 at 7:45 pm

          Exactly. This is pretty much what every Gen X member has done. Polling backs up this view; most members of Gen X and beyond don’t believe Social Security will be there for them and they have far less attachment to the program than boomers and silent generation.

          Gen X (’65-’80) Millennial (81-’96) and Gen Z (’97-‘2012) are not going to be willing to pay more taxes to ‘save’ Social Security without significant reforms. Nor will they willingly allow the feds to borrow even more money on their backs to pay for it.

    alien in reply to luckydog. | May 23, 2023 at 5:24 pm

    “DeSantis is required by state law to resign as governor if he wishes to run for another office.”

    Defunct. That law is now void.

    That makes you the dishonest one.

    healthguyfsu in reply to luckydog. | May 23, 2023 at 6:32 pm

    See my comment to crazy gonzo above. This is a pile of horseshit.

    1. DeSantis is not dishonest by not announcing to run and doing what politicians, including Trump, do: Promote themselves in the public sphere. What a crock of garbage.

    2. DeSantis speaks for the people against the woke machine. Good enough for me. How exactly has FL suffered under DeSantis? It is doing the best in the entire country in many, many aspects. Another crock of cooked-up bullshit stew.

    3. A phrase does not make a POTUS, but Trump has had some really stupid moves. Ignoring these and pretending like DeSantis hasn’t been one of the best governors for FL in its history is willfully dishonest. Also, Trump had ZERO experience running anything other than hotels and golf courses (and oh yeah, a fake reality tv show called the Apprentice). If 3 disqualifies DeSantis then you should have never voted for Trump.

    Supplement (4)….when crazy gonzo is lapping up your muddy shit like it’s chocolate water, then you are keeping questionable company.

    henrybowman in reply to luckydog. | May 23, 2023 at 6:58 pm

    “1) Dishonest: DeSantis is required by state law to resign as governor”
    Not any more.

    Mercyneal in reply to luckydog. | May 23, 2023 at 7:12 pm

    Um, Luckydog? The law that said DeSantis had to resign in order to run was voided weeks ago. Keep up.

    IndianaGuy in reply to luckydog. | May 24, 2023 at 7:38 am

    A couple of comments:
    Point 1 – does anybody do that? I’m pretty sure no governor does.
    Point 3 – “doctrine” is just a clever slogan. Trumps actions did back up what he said, and I really liked that about him. That would be my #3 in your comment. But a slogan? Anybody can pay for someone to come up with a slogan.

Off topic and I’m a little afraid to ask, but….

What happened to Milhouse?

    Paula in reply to Eric R.. | May 23, 2023 at 4:45 pm

    I was wondering the same thing. I hope he is okay.

    Olinser in reply to Eric R.. | May 23, 2023 at 5:07 pm

    Finally realized that his leftist WELL AKSHUALLY pedantic crap was getting no traction among people that actually know what laws say. If people could block here he would be blocked by probably half the regular commenters.

    We don’t know, but we hope that he’s okay.

      Eric R. in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | May 24, 2023 at 6:25 am

      I suspect that as the conversation here has become a bit more unforgiving of dissent on the right (and I freely admit that I am part of that, since we are facing highly disciplined extremists on the left who buck no dissent) he did not feel welcome here anymore. Kind of like being a Never Trumper in a political party dominated by Trump and his supporters.

        I sincerely doubt this. Milhouse has been commenting here at LI since its inception over a decade ago (his first comment was in 2010!). He’d let us know if he was leaving for any reason, I feel sure. My fear is that something has happened to him. Keep him in your prayers, please.

This is such a poor political move. DeSantis has made several poorly thought out political moves recently, it seems like he’s subjecting his own instincts (which have been generally good) to the ‘advice’ of politically connected Beltway morons.

I’ve said for months – this is NOT a good move by DeSantis.

He is personally very popular in Florida and among a respectable amount of Republicans.

But even with that popularity in every single poll for months he loses DRAMATICALLY to Trump. Whether you think that’s good or not, that’s the simple situation. No, Republicans voters as a group ARE NOT searching for an alternative to Trump, and most of the ones that are already consider DeSantis ‘just as bad’ as Trump.

The simple fact is that this primary is Trump’s to lose. Jumping in at this point simply makes no political sense. For others like Tim Scott it may make some sense since debatably they aren’t even trying to win, they just want that VP slot.

DeSantis DOESN’T want to be Trump’s VP. He wants to be President.

Putting yourself squarely against a Trump that is running away with every poll, and putting yourself in the position that even if you win the primary, you’re going to have a VERY tough sell for the large group of Trump diehards, is just not smart.

2028 would have been DeSantis’ year, I think he would have been all but guaranteed the nomination simply by continuing his course as Florida governor.

But announcing now is just a stupid political move.

    gonzotx in reply to Olinser. | May 23, 2023 at 7:02 pm

    The powers that be have told him in no uncertainty

    President Trump will be found guilty amd possibly jailed

    For nothing

    What are WE going to do about it

      You ask/state: “What are WE going to do about it.”

      Um, let the legal system play out. Of course. What on earth do you think YOU (don’t include us in your questionable statements) can do about it?

    Mercyneal in reply to Olinser. | May 23, 2023 at 7:14 pm

    You keep repeating that it is a stupid move but have offered no evidence to support this. And Musk is not part of the beltway. Neither is David Sacks who is also part of this event

    jb4 in reply to Olinser. | May 23, 2023 at 10:22 pm

    Let me ask a question. Let’s say DeSantis agrees with you, that 2028 would normally be his year. But let’s also assume that he believes, as many do, that Trump can’t win the general election and that nearly 6 more years of Biden could ruin the country, just from illegals alone. If he loves his country, what is he supposed to do?

      DudeAbides in reply to jb4. | May 23, 2023 at 10:41 pm

      He was supposed to announce he was running months ago, when he was actually polling somewhat close to Trump.

      But that would have required him to resign, per Florida law. Instead he waited months to pass his personal carve out ‘ok now you can totally be in state office and be running for a federal office without resigning’, and in that time Trump has run away with the race.

      Waiting this long and announcing now that every poll has him 30+ points or more behind Trump is not very smart. If DeSantis runs and loses, his chances of 2028 are much worse, and for him to close the gap with Trump would require a truly catastrophic mistake by Trump.

      DeSantis has simply missed his window for 2024.

        There is nothing “late” about DeSantis declaring now, and I have no idea what you mean by he was “supposed to” declare “months ago.” DeSantis was never going to declare until after the Florida legislative session ended this month. And this idea that this is late in the game is nonsense. Trump didn’t announce his candidacy until June of 2015, and he didn’t poll as a front-runner until the following month (July, 2015). Prior to that Jeb! was the “front runner” (to everyone but actual GOP primary voters who loathed him).

        As to DeSantis clarifying a relatively new Florida law (signed by his predecessor Rick Scott) about running for national office, so what? That’s par for the course and happens on both sides of the aisle all the time. Further, at least this was done legally and through the legislature and not some truly tyrannical, anti-American bid to “terminate” articles of the United States Constitution because you don’t like an (undoubtedly fishy) election outcome . . . or for any reason at all.

          DudeAbides in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | May 24, 2023 at 12:11 am

          Whining about 2016 has no relevance. Jeb was not a ‘frontrunner’, and to call him that is a joke, Jeb! (please clap) never polled above about 10%. The vast, VAST majority of voters were still undecided.

          When Trump entered the race, no candidate had any significant advantage, and Trump had the advantage of being a complete unknown in terms of policies and priorities. To win, Trump simply had to lock up the undecided voters that didn’t particularly like any candidate – which was incredibly easy to do when he was willing to stake positions like immigration that none of the others were willing to touch.

          Comparing him to DeSantis now is laughable.

          Depending on the poll, of course, Trump is polling 50%+ to 60%+. He has a clear majority of support. For DeSantis to win, he has to convince current Trump voters that they want to switch to him. A very tough task in the best of times.

          I didn’t say that DeSantis was ‘late’, I said that he ‘missed his window’. His window was months ago when DeSantis was quite close to Trump, and a lot of people hadn’t made up their minds.

          The laughable prosecution against Trump made up a lot of those minds. They’re not going to dump Trump and let the despicable Democrat tactics win, unless Trump does something REALLY stupid and drives them away.

          That’s the situation. DeSantis has to convince Trump voters to switch to him, and he’s shown no sign of being able to do that.

          There’s a great polling map at Real Clear Politics that lets you see who was polling at what when. It’s really interesting to review it and recall how people who didn’t want Trump kept latching on to each one (except Jeb!) in turn (Walker, Carson, Cruz, Rubio, et al.). It’s interesting to see where Trump’s and Jebs! numbers started out and how quickly Trump took the lead (Jeb, as you can clearly see, did indeed poll above 10%, albeit briefly. Republican primary voters definitely didn’t want him and weren’t about to be rolled into anointing him).

          I have no idea if DeSantis can gain ground with GOP primary voters who are currently telling pollsters they’ll vote for Trump in the primary, but he hasn’t even declared yet, so there’s a lot that can happen. A lot of people who voted for Trump twice are not going to vote for him in the primaries (including me), so I do think there is room for an alternative. Whether or not that’s DeSantis is what is as yet unclear.

Whoever wins the nomination will get my vote but in Pennsylvania it won’t matter as the Deep State candidate will win the vote fraud no matter how many real votes there are.

Maybe Trump should spend less time attacking the most conservative elected officials in America and more time attacking the left? Maybe the man who gave us Fauci and the vaccines need to try and get on our good sides?

Antifundamentalist | May 23, 2023 at 6:02 pm


He should not run this election. Florida needs him right where he is.

Juris Doctor | May 23, 2023 at 6:05 pm

Twitter has millions of users. Truth Social has like 5 users, Who has the messaging advantage?

    Ghostrider in reply to Juris Doctor. | May 24, 2023 at 8:22 am

    DeSantis on Twitter will drive the Trump campaign insane if they are not already there. Truth Social just filed a multi-billion dollar defamation lawsuit against the WaPost.

    Daily Caller has a story up quoting Trump’s campaign strategists’ reaction to DeSantis’ pending announcement. To me they make Trump look afraid of DeSantis and sleazy. The ads appear to use the identical fear-mongering tactics that Democrats use against Republican candidates.

    The only people who profit from the ensuing 11 months of nonstop negative ads are the cable companies and social media sites who run them.

MoeHowardwasright | May 23, 2023 at 6:13 pm

Let punt out to those who do t understand Social Security. It’s a pay as go system. When it was conceived there were 13-15 workers for every retiree. Average life expectancy was 68. So three years of payments. By the 1960’s SS had about 8-10 workers per retiree with a life expectancy of 73. By the early 80’s there were 5-7 workers with a life expectancy of 82. Get the picture! Less payroll taxes, more retirees and longer lives. Not to mention Supplemental SS for disabilities. The system is dead! DEAD! To think otherwise is unsound and rather idiotic. It was never meant to be your retirement. It was meant as a supplement to your retirement.

    healthguyfsu in reply to MoeHowardwasright. | May 23, 2023 at 6:38 pm

    That’s simply not true. It SHOULD have been a pay-as-you-go system, but FDR dropped benefits to the retirees immediately upon its enactment.

    W suggested individualized accounts for SS and the left and many grifters on the right went ballistic. We will never have a good, working system for this. It’s been doomed from the start and only gotten worse over time.

    It wasn’t sold that way however

      henrybowman in reply to gonzotx. | May 23, 2023 at 7:30 pm

      Social Security, the Peace Corps, the Great Society, Peace With Honor, Fannie Mae, the AMC Pacer, pet rocks, New Coke, Homeland Security, Obamacare, Q, mRNA, Vlad Zelensky, the Great Reset, Bud Light.

      “Selling” is just a subcategory of propaganda. See through it or suffer.

      CommoChief in reply to gonzotx. | May 23, 2023 at 8:19 pm

      It was always sold as, at most, one pillar of retirement.
      1. Savings
      2. Investments
      3. Social Security

      Rampant consumerism and the unwillingness or inability to delay gratification are the reasons most folks don’t have anything in the way of savings or investments outside of their home.

      Sure factories shut down and folks lost jobs. Factories also opened up elsewhere. Many of those same folks could have moved to where jobs were to be had. Auto industry is an easy example. US auto makers cutting jobs in the mid to late ’90s and 2000’s but BMW, Mercedes, Toyota, Hyundai and so on built new factories and needed workers.

      Lots of small town economies were wrecked by NAFTA as light manufacturing and textiles moved offshore. That was 25-30 years ago and there were all sorts of opportunities across the Nation for folks to get a new career path in another location. If they chose to stay in a dying town and get a minimum wage job and were unable to save or invest as a result they made their bed. They chose that fate instead of seeking out a new path.

        kelly_3406 in reply to CommoChief. | May 23, 2023 at 9:38 pm

        The attitude of “they chose that fate ….” is BS. My home town in the South was one that suffered from the loss of textiles. Then it lost another big industry about 20 years later. I am one of those that left and remain grateful for a successful career (retired colonel), but there are many others who were unable to do so. Some were under water on their houses, while others were in their late 40s-50s, an age when it becomes difficult to change careers or even get hired. Still others had responsibilities to care for aging parents, so it would be difficult to pick up and move to a different state.

        Your judgmental attitude shows that you know nothing about the true human toll when something like this happens.

          CommoChief in reply to kelly_3406. | May 24, 2023 at 7:13 am

          No I understand exactly how bad it gets. My own small rural S Alabama community lost it’s own textile plants; couple thousand jobs in a community of less than 12 K. Big ripple effects on the rest of the businesses and their employees as well. Very hard times.

          Plenty of people create their own jobs by running a small business. There have always been side hustle for cash. People can move to where a new plant is opening. They could use the reeducation option under the adjustment provisions to train for a new career.

          It isn’t judgmental to point out the fact that people have choices and options. They may not be the options we want but they do exist.

          I look at what happened with NAFTA as an ambush. The first rule when we find ourselves in an ambush is to get out of the kill zone.

Does anyone know if there will be video for this Twitter Space thing or just audio?

Has anyone considered the possibility that having a primary contest will put republicans in the spotlight.

When he is questioned tomorrow, maybe he will be asked:

What is his position on Ukraine?

Why did he change the law so he could run and stay as governor?

If he was the recipient of unprecedented, seditious treatment, followed by a rigged election and lawfare, whould he acede to calls to step aside?

Sounds good to me. Also like the of Sarah for VP.

Trump had his term and never figured out just how pervasively corrupt the system is, relied on people who betrayed him and screwed him to the core.

POTUS is not a place for an apprentice.

Despite all else, he prevented Hillary and that was the crowning achievement that no one will deny.

I read an op-ed this week by Ann Coulter that trashed Trump for not building the wall in 2017-2018 when R’s had a majority in the House and Senate. In my opinion, that period shined a bright light on the character of establishment Rs. Paul Ryan refused to fund the wall and John McCain was the deciding vote to keep Obamacare. Both decisions came back to haunt both Trump and the country.

Now comes DeSantis. The only decision that tested his mettle was that of keeping Florida open during the pandemic. That decision took courage and I applaud him for it. But nothing after was all that difficult. He had a compliant legislature with a huge Republican majority. So there were no budget showdowns or threats to veto legislation.

I am certain that DeSantis can stand up to Ds in Washington. But what about recalcitrant Rs who are almost as likely to undercut him (e.g. Romney?) Also DeSantis has been strangely quiet about his agenda. Is illegal immigration a priority for him? As far as I know, he has not said whether it is or not.

Maybe DeSantis will hit the ground running where Trump did not. Something tells me that too many Rs are in it for themselves and therefore a President DeSantis is just as likely to draw the ire of Coulter.

I will vote for the R nominee in the general election. However, DeSantis is starting to remind me of an establishment Republican who will do the bidding of his megadonors.

Trump’s lawyers are preparing their legal defense strategy as we speak. Ty Cobb, a former Trump White House attorney, said in an interview with The Messenger earlier this month that he expects Smith’s team between the end of May and September to bring federal criminal charges against the former president on both January 6-related matters and the Mar-a-Lago documents obstruction case