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Manipulation: Legacy Media and Lincoln Project Now Bashing DeSantis, Promoting Trump

Manipulation: Legacy Media and Lincoln Project Now Bashing DeSantis, Promoting Trump

It’s clear whom they would rather run against.

The failure of the expected red wave to appear on Tuesday has roiled already troubled waters on both sides of the aisle. Trump’s inexplicable pre-midterm attacks on Florida governor Ron DeSantis turned off a lot of Trump’s supporters, and by continuing these rambling rants against DeSantis—and even Virginia governor Glenn Youngkin (his name sounds Chinese?!), Trump is losing even more support on the right.

There is no candidate for the 2024 presidential election, so there is no reason for political attacks on a political opponent when there is no political race. So Trump’s ongoing barrage of attacks on members of his own party are not landing and just seem personal, petty, and desperate (i.e. weak) to many.

For Democrats, evading the expected red wave has caused new and unexpected problems. They were looking forward to Trump running against Biden again in ’24, but with the right becoming disenchanted with Trump’s unfounded and unnecessary attacks on fellow Republicans, they see that dream fading.

But they aren’t going down without a fight. A “save Trump” memo appears to have gone out to the leftist media activists and assorted #NeverTrumpers like those in the Lincoln Project.

Needless to say, people have thoughts.

David Strom over at HotAir has some insightful thoughts on this shift, as well:

Expect tons more attacks on DeSantis in the media because of this. The “glass jaw,” the lack of charisma, the weird robot thing. It is aimed at convincing us that DeSantis is not as good a politician as he appears. His victory in Florida won’t translate to America at large.

“Florida is different!” DeSantis is lucky! Republicans moved to Florida! OK. Great. Whatever. We’ll see about that.

This isn’t analysis, it is pleading for relevance. Their grift depends upon Trump being relevant, so they try to keep him relevant. That was the January 6th Committee’s job, and the media is keeping it going. Trump fading isn’t good for either votes or their grift.

Democrats motivated their base by Bad Orange Manning the election. They want to do it again. The media makes money because of Bad Orange Man. A match made in heaven.

I think it’s both, too. The left, including the Lincoln Project grifters, need Trump for ratings, money, donations, etc.; they need Trump to continue to divide and stoke fear, rage, and radicalism in their base; and they need Trump to be on the ticket in 2024 as a present-day presidential nominee instead of a rejected has-been or background GOP king-maker they can’t evoke to scare their base and to sway voters who don’t really like Biden but will not accept Trump.

What’s going to be funny, and telling, is if (when?) Trump starts singing the praises of MSNBC and other such outlets that bashed him relentlessly on baseless grounds for six years.


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This will both test how DeSantis handles this before 2024 and help inoculate him against those attacks.

And remember: Just because the Dems think Trump is the candidate they can most easily beat… that doesn’t mean they’re right.

    It’s just heartbreaking how spineless and characterless the GOP leadership is. McConnell is completely compromised by his and his wife’s dealings with Communist China. GOP Chairwoman Rona Romney McDaniels is swamp schumck, and good at nothing except losing elections. And McCarthy? – He just doesn’t have “it”. Unless you’re looking for Boehner II.

      On the plus side Mike Lee is all aboard the ‘TO HELL WITH MCCONNELL’ train after the crap he let Romney pull while sitting in silence, Lee is now signing on to the whole ‘waiting’ on leadership voting (meaning they all agree McConnell has to go).

        gonzotx in reply to Olinser. | November 11, 2022 at 9:45 pm

        He would retire probably but I read somewhere that that the Democratic governor can’t just pick a democrat to replace him. He has to pick from a list that’s given by the Republican legislature

        At least that’s what I heard

          Olinser in reply to gonzotx. | November 11, 2022 at 10:42 pm

          That’s my understanding.

          So McConnell threatening to resign would only hurt the RINO trash by demonstrating that he’s a petty, vindictive little prick that doesn’t give a crap about the party if he can’t be in charge.

          You wrote: “demonstrating that he’s a petty, vindictive little prick that doesn’t give a crap about the party if he can’t be in charge.” That sounds like someone . . . not McConnell . . . give me a sec, it’ll come to me . . . . 😉

          The most logical reason is that he wants to pick his successor as Republicans leader himself. That has been Jim Thune of SD. Trump primaried him and nearly succeeded. Naturally, Thune has become vocal in his support for McConnell. The back-up candidate was John Cornyn of TX who is licking his chops. We’ll see how the challenge goes. I’m not too keen on Rubio either. After he ran for POTUS on an amnesty for illegals campaign (it’s time to let the illegals out of the shadow”).

          The Uniparty can become even more entrenched if they select a young version of McConnell.

        The Gentle Grizzly in reply to Olinser. | November 12, 2022 at 8:21 am

        “Mike Lee. Sounds Chinese, doesn’t it…?”

      I am all aboard replacing these schmucks but once again, we are not paying attention to the game being played. If we don’t look before we leap, and we MUST take the leap, we will once again be played because of our shallow understanding of how the game is played. Right now, we are being set up just when we are already being distracted by new shiny objects, the biggest on is DeSantis (the latest Jeb Bush substitute).

      Lincoln Project and “manipulative legacy media” aren’t stupid. WE are. WE are the ones who can always be trusted to fall for their tricks. They know they have lost all credibility, with US, but they can still stay in the game by pretending to be against DeSantis. And here we are taking their bait like cats attacking laser dots on the wall.

      DeSantis is OWNED by the same dirty money that backed the Bush family and their ilk. He is a plant who played the game well in Florida but he is there for a higher purpose. And we are falling for it. Again.

      Now Rona McDaniel is being challenged and read her statement. She is mostly correct about why the GOP lost races they should have won (election DAY vs election SEASON) but all of the other WEF plants, she is avoiding fighting that problem and arguing the GOP should be playing the game too. So then the Uniparty would control THAT part of our “democracy” too.

      This is a complicated game but we keep focusing where the Uniparty wants to focus and we keep losing. We need to get back on what is really going on which is that the WEF’s plan in the US is to regain control of US which they lost when Trump won in 2016. Trump is just standing in the way of that. DeSantis restores that. That is why the globalist billionaires are throwing money at DeSantis to build him up before the primary.

      I’ve been a loyal reader and supporter of LI for years. What the professor does here with LIF is of historical importance. But his grasp of national politics has been squishy from the beginning. He is just too nice a guy to get into a bare-knuckle game that is not going to be fought in court. What happened in these threads since Tuesday has been disheartening. LI is proving to be a GOPe echo chamber of squishy nincompoops who are incapable of following the game from a tactical, logical perspective.

      I am an RIA and have managed other people’s money for 30 years now and following the money is what I do. I listen to what “experts” say but I act on what they DO. My job is to make money not use investing as place to express my politics. It’s much easier to succeed that way than trying to figure out who is telling the truth. Money doesn’t lie. People lie. And DeSantis is a fraud. Just look at his war chest. Now let this echo chamber swallow THAT.

    Danny in reply to clintack. | November 12, 2022 at 1:30 am

    The problem is at this point they have a series of elections since 2016 that makes it very clear Trump can’t win again.

    retiredcantbefired in reply to clintack. | November 12, 2022 at 2:18 pm

    What’s wrong with Mitch McConnell resigning?

The swamp is infested with pervs and the likes of Steve Scmidt:

A Real Piece of Schmidt – Lincoln Project Founder’s Wife Files Restraining Order Against Him:

It’s reverse psychology… simple, and no one trusts them, they are paid operatives, probably trying to make DeSantis look better than , you know, that old guy who takes all the slings and arrows for us , worked his a)$ off for us, and made America Fisrt, yeah THAT guy…

But they are right

Trump 2024

    healthguyfsu in reply to gonzotx. | November 11, 2022 at 9:41 pm

    Only you would make a piss poor attempt to make this a conspiracy against Trump.

    That’s pathetic…reverse psychology, try crazy land.

      Wow your an angry “guy”

      Mommy issues?

      Only you would make this not a conspiracy against Trump and be rude while making your statement!

        Danny in reply to gonzotx. | November 12, 2022 at 1:38 am

        The Democrats want Trump because he has no chance of success.

        2016 was an election Hillary got more votes and lost because she was convinced WI PA and MI weren’t swing states so failed to invest any of her time or resources there with the result that Trump won those states by extremely narrow margins (for context of how much easier it is to win those states when Democrats aren’t contesting because they think those are in the bag them Mitt Romney won more total votes in one of them than Trump).

        Since then

        2018-Blue wave

        2020-Decisive loss in both the electoral college and popular vote

        2021-He deliberately handed the senate over to Democrats to punish Republicans for not overthrowing the constitution when it became clear he lost the election

        2022-He found the conditions for a red wave and by playing king maker and making sure the issue was Donald Trump and the 2020 election (exactly the same issue Democrats wanted by the way) we would lose.

        For context he took Grand Rapids from a Republican incumbent to a Democrat Congressman elect because he wanted petty revenge on that incumbent for refusing to back the stolen election agenda.

        If Trump had not intervened that grand rapids seat would be ours.

        It isn’t just there he cost us easily winnable congressional seats state AG seats, state SoS seats all over the country.

        The people have most definitely spoken; Donald Trump is not a viable candidate.

        I am willing to risk elections on principle; I am not willing to through them out for a man.

        Trump isn’t a principle, he isn’t a god he is just a man and I don’t owe him giving Democrats another 4 years of total control of everything.

          Massinsanity in reply to Danny. | November 12, 2022 at 11:01 am

          Well said but it is difficult to change the mindset of cult members sadly.

          retiredcantbefired in reply to Danny. | November 12, 2022 at 2:14 pm

          More McConnellisms about the January 2021 Georgia runoff and (whatever isms these are) not propping up Peter Meijer, the fake Constitutionalist?

          I’m not inclined to support Trump for 2024. Keep up with the bad arguments against him and you’ll end up persuading a lot of people with similar views to change their minds.

      Typical leftist. You offer nothing but your own opinion as facts. Yet, when someone else presents their opinion and presents the reasons why they believe so, you trash them as being crazy or cultists or whatever. Go away. You argue like a bratty child.

        He’s not a leftist. No one here is unless you define “leftist” as “anyone who disagrees with me.” Ironically, that’s a pretty leftist approach.

          Anyone who uses leftist rhetoric and logic like healthguyfsu routinely uses is a leftist.
          And I reserve the right to attack anyone who calls me a Trump cultist and other nasty unfounded accusations rather than offering proof that I am wrong. Nobody KNOWS anything. We are all guessing and expressing what we believe.

          BTW, you’re a DeSantis supporter. Do YOU have anything to say about billionaire Ken Griffin leading a bunch of other Wall Street billionaires in providing DeSantis with a $250 million war chest? That’s a very big honking issue but it runs against your narrative doesn’t it?

          That’s why Trump is jumping fast to go after DeSantis. Catch the narrative lie while he already has his pants on. Don’t wait until everyone else gets gaslighted by the Uniparty apparatus and media. And It’s not like this isn’t already out in the open. It’s not only the legacy media that fails to report important information.

          We should be vetting this shiny new object before we make yet another stupid mistake. Why aren’t we? What I see is another Jeb Bush being backed by the establishment.

          Thanks for asking, and yes, I’ve addressed that point in comments. Be sure to look for it.

          CommoChief in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | November 12, 2022 at 1:58 pm


          The kicking the tires and vetting a candidate occurs in the primary. Glad to see you have come around to embrace the idea of vetting every candidate who submits themselves to the voters in the r presidential primary.

          Absolutely critical for members of the r party to select the best nominee for the 2024 presidential election. It will be up to the potential nominees to convince the r primary voters they are the best candidate in 2024.

        Massinsanity in reply to Pasadena Phil. | November 12, 2022 at 11:05 am

        It is irrefutable that Trump fucked the Republican Party in Jan 2021 in GA. He cost us the senate and the result is irreparable harm to the country.

        Trump is about Trump and only Trump. He doesn’t give a shit about Republicans unless he can claim credit for their wins.

        He is toxic.

          retiredcantbefired in reply to Massinsanity. | November 12, 2022 at 2:24 pm

          If you’re opposed to Trump as the nominee, and all you’ve got working for you is another canard about Georgia in January 2021, I suspect you’ll have to get used to Trump as the nominee.

          CommoChief in reply to Massinsanity. | November 12, 2022 at 2:34 pm

          How about choosing to enable Fauchi and the Branch Covidians? Hind sight is 20/20 for sure.

          On the other hand a certain FL Gov wasn’t fooled by Fauchi and stood up the totalitarian impulses of the Branch Covidians telling them to pound sand and kept FL open.

          retiredcantbefired in reply to Massinsanity. | November 12, 2022 at 2:46 pm

          Enabling Fauci and Birx in 2020 (even though the latter has alleged that after she got in the door, she relied on support from Mike Pence against Trump) is a creditable argument against nominating Trump again. He should never have let either of them in the door. It appears that Trump succumbed to the urge, near-universal among politicians, to be seen as “doing something.”

          There might be other good arguments. A lot of folks surely don’t care for Trump’s preemptive slams against DeSantis.

          If you use good arguments, you might get a more favorable reception.

    amwick in reply to gonzotx. | November 12, 2022 at 7:22 am


    Hang in there. When Trump announces, hopefully Tuesday, the game will be on and Trump will clear the decks of all challengers.

    DeSantis, if anyone even asks the questions, will not be able to explain what the deal is between him and his dirty money war chest. Nobody donates big wads of money without expecting something in return. Ken Griffin is a WEF globalist billionaire. He didn’t become a billionaire by being a nice guy giving money to people just because he likes them. It’s about controlling them. And the other billionaires following his lead and on the same team.

    People around here should stop and think about how tempting it is to be in a position to become filthy rich just by selling out people you don’t even like. Take the awesome pile of money, become king for a few years, and all you have to do is screw the voters. DeSantis is a guy who supported TPP when he was a congressman. Yeah, I trust that guy to be on our side.

      We know what they expect in return: Anyone But Trump.

      Well, I’m not sure about WEF, but Griffin has been very out-spoken about wokeness, patriotism, saving education in this country, rebuilding the American Dream, and getting crime under control. Sort of the same things we care about, no? The man shelled out $43 million for one of the 13 original copies of the U.S. Constitution. Hardly the move of someone who wants to see it trashed.

      And no, DeSantis did not support TPP. He voted for TPA (I think, I know Ted Cruz did) which was separate from TPP, and TPP never even came to a vote because no one wanted it (including Hillary Clinton!).

        All billionaires invest in works of art and collectible relics. They are the best protection against inflation and debauched currencies and so a better preserver of wealth. They are also the popular among billionaires for laundering money. That was a lot to pay for a historic document which means there were other bidders. Now if the communists were to prevail and freedom and capitalism die, these are the investments that will float above chaos and just for it’s unique value as the embodiment of the peak of the Age of Enlightenment, it would appreciate over most everything. So throw that argument out. I never said that he is not a shrewd investor. And as to his patriotism, so what? People say things. I don’t go by what people say so much as to what they do. If he were truly serious about saving America, where was he when Trump needed help while he was winning one battle after the other? Trump is a shoo-in to win in 2024. Why isn’t he investing in THAT! Maybe because Trump is a lesser billionaire but rich enough that he can’t be controlled? Is that possible? Or just envy? Personal reasons having nothing to do with saving America?

        As to TPP vs TPA, whatever. The point is he voted for it and there is nothing else in his record as congressman that is notable. He was a typical “go along to get along” congressman biding his time an hoping for plumb committee assignments while spending most of his time campaigning for re-election. Until Trump plucked him out of obscurity and sent him on his current trajectory.

          “”As to TPP vs TPA, whatever. The point is he voted for it””

          You don’t know one from the other, or whether he actually supported either one, and yet it’s one of your big reasons to hate him. Be honest. You’re a Trump or death kind of guy, and the only thing you need to hate anybody else is that they’re not Trump.

        Forgot “wokism”. NOBODY supports wokism except for pink-haired lesbian and blue-haired soy-boy trust babies who have nothing else to do. You don’t have to be a right wing extremist to understand that it just a ploy be the communists to sow discord among us. It’s a problem for us peasants but I doubt many billionaires (other then Bill Gates) approve of it. None are more anti-CRT than the gay billionaires out of which, the only one that trust is Rick Grenel who has an extensive record of patriotism. One of several great Trump picks he never gets credit for.

      Yes yes yes any money held by a candidate I don’t like yes yes yes; unless it is Trump of course.

      Ken Griffin donates to DeSantis because well you actually could see why in a Dailywire article.

      It is NOT dirty money. The definition of Dirty money is not money going against Trump it is either illegally or corruptly gained. A billionaire being on our side doesn’t mean he is buying us it means he shares our ideas.

      I am down for Ken Grififn’s war on woke ideology in schools.

      I am sorry you aren’t but at least I have answered your question and revealed once again that the Trump side has nothing to offer besides promise that next time won’t be a catastrophe like the last.

      Trump handed to the senate to Democrats. If he had not intervened Ducey would have been our Arizona senate nominee and would have bagged that seat for us. Instead we lost Arizona because we chose to relitigate the 2020 election instead of fighting for principles.

        retiredcantbefired in reply to Danny. | November 12, 2022 at 2:37 pm

        Since you claim to know what Ken Griffin is about, and I really have no idea, maybe you can inform us whether Griffin is affiliated with the World Economic Forum.

        Is he or isn’t he?

          I can’t prove he doesn’t back WEF. I can’t prove you don’t either. However he opposes everything the WEF stands for and does so openly so if he backs them he sucks at it.

      retiredcantbefired in reply to Pasadena Phil. | November 12, 2022 at 2:32 pm

      Can you document Griffin making $250 million available to De Santis?

      Can you document Griffin being a hanger-on at the World Economic Forum?

      Both of these are matters of fact, not matters of opinion.

      Unless both of your statements are true, you have no business equating De Santis with his sad predecessor JEB!

Lincoln Project ♥️ Trump!
My 🦓!

The left needs Trump to be the focus of the media. They can’t let anyone take away the poster boy for Republicanism

I don’t give a crap what those lying communist traitors say. I’ll watch and listen then I’ll make up my own mind.

With all the crap going on, the clearly stealing of votes AGAIN, the harvesting of ballots in states like Pa, NV and AZ and leagalinsurection seems to be focused on Ron DeSantis

What’s up with that

    Danny in reply to gonzotx. | November 12, 2022 at 1:45 am

    Yes it is easy to turn a landslide victory into a defeat of 15%.

    Mastriano crushed us in PA not imaginary voter fraud.

    Mastriano was exactly the person Democrats wanted us to nominate.

    See the connection?

    Enough god damned conspiracy theories they make us look insane and make the Democrats look good. Mastriano came across as a maniac to Pennsylvanians and got frankly the type of numbers you could expect running in sapphire blue state and it most definitely involved people who voted red in 2020 voting blue, and it tore down the rest of the Republican ticket.

    Vote further Trump for another 40% result in Pennsylvania.

    Vote someone else for moving on from endless relitigating 2020 and into actually winning elections.

      r2468 in reply to Danny. | November 12, 2022 at 5:16 am

      Sorry but PA voted in a dead guy and a mentally disabled guy so Tell us more about who we need to vote for in critical nationwide elections.

        Danny in reply to r2468. | November 13, 2022 at 3:39 pm

        A district in PA voted in a dead guy and if you had to decide on having a new election or a Democrat congressman you would do the same thing.

        Mastriano was a millstone around the neck of every candidate in PA. A good candidate at the top of the ticket could have coat tails that drag people across the finish line.

      r2468 in reply to Danny. | November 12, 2022 at 5:33 am

      As far as PA goes especially Philly, PA will do nothing to clean up the problem of bloated voter rolls and vote harvesting. They don’t have to “ring in the vote” on Election Day. They get a month plus to work on the ballots. There are plenty of credible accounts of wrong doing from 2020 to investigate but efforts were blocked so I don’t expect a different outcome in the future. Is this conspiracy talk?

      retiredcantbefired in reply to Danny. | November 12, 2022 at 2:58 pm

      I honestly don’t know how good or bad a candidate Mastriano was.

      But it seems clear Pennsylvania isn’t really a sapphire blue state. You wouldn’t see the partisan alignment that’s presently in the legislature if it were sapphire blue. Pat Toomey wouldn’t have been the outgoing Senator from a sapphire blue state. (Do you see someone like Toomey getting elected in California? New York? Illinois?)

      Given the directive by the Acting Secretary of State there to defy a Supreme Court ruling on the handling of incompletely filled out mail-in ballots, I’d say there are credible suspicions of continued fraud in PA. Neither Pittsburgh nor Philadelphia has suddenly quit being corrupt.

      Again, there are arguments against nominating Trump again that other commenters on this site might take seriously. It will help if you use some.

        What I said was Mastriano got exactly the kind of vote a Republican would get in a sapphire blue state which is exactly what he got.

        He did it by running on the 2020 election and Trump.

        Doing so is the kiss of death. Trump made himself the issue in PA and we lost very badly.

        I also really don’t care that votes got cast by mail, I really don’t. If you have proof that those votes came from the dead or by people ineligible to cast votes provide it, it has been two years the evidence if it exists should be out.

        Pennsylvanians know how they voted. You are no more going to get them to change their minds than the Democrats got you to change your mind with Russia Collusion, it comes across as insulting at best and reinforces they made the right choice.

        By the way it is not an invalid argument that Trump costs us elections; he helped Democrats take the senate in 2021, and was the issue Democrats successfully ran on in 2022.

At least I don’t hear any Trump supporters contending that his making stupid, juvenile, antagonistic ethnic quips about how a person’s last name allegedly “sounds Chinese” represents the kind of politically savvy rhetoric that is going to help the GOP win the independent and Dumb-o-crat votes that are necessary to win the White House in 2024.

I don’t think anyone here is that stupid.

    r2468 in reply to guyjones. | November 12, 2022 at 8:15 am

    His name calling of the VA governor went over my head. I need more direct name calling in the future. /s.

      In the past, Trump acts on information that turns out to be true once it gets out. If MSNBC somehow is the one that inadvertently releases it, Trump pounce on it and mocks them. But the Trump haters are so brainwashed, they miss that every single time. How many times has Trump been proven wrong on anything? He is playing the game too. If people care enough to see it. But no, he is just an “stupid, infantile egomaniac”. Right. Trump played a key role in saving NYC from bankruptcy in the 1980s and then from lawlessness during America’s Mayor” Giuliani’s years when he cleaned up that mess. What a dumb guy. Cannot be trusted. Sure.

        CommoChief in reply to Pasadena Phil. | November 12, 2022 at 9:06 am

        Didn’t he also enable the Fauchi Fascists to run amok and empower the Branch Covidians?

          I think the Branch Covidians perished in a fire.

          CommoChief in reply to CommoChief. | November 12, 2022 at 11:28 am


          Nope the Branch Covidians are starting up the mask mandate argument again. They still want the mandatory jab and are still having success in their ULTRA Karen efforts to support their patron Saint Fauchi and his gang of totalitarians.

          If only a national political leader with the ability to make a true difference had opposed Fauchi and the fascists as vigorously as the Gov of Florida.

        Phil, I can appreciate where you’re coming from, even if we don’t agree on everything. I was born and raised in NYC in the 1980’s, so, rest assured that I am totally familiar with Trump and Giuliani’s accomplishments.

        I’ll say that you need to ease off the “Trump-hater” label and rhetoric. It’s just an unfair and unreasonable notion, this belief that anyone who proffers a hint of criticism about the guy is a “hater.” I voted for Trump in 2020 and will do so if he’s the GOP nominee in 2024. That said, I’ll proffer criticism about his tone, his rhetoric and his antics, as I see fit. Because, if you’re driving voters away when you open your mouth as a candidate, you’re not helping the conservative cause, and, you’re not being an effective/shrewd salesman.

        Take Trump off the pedestal you’ve placed him on — he is not above or beyond fair and legitimate criticism. Nor is Ron DeSantis, for that matter. Nor any other politician.

          guyjones, there is no other explanation for the automatic knee=jerk reactions against Trump. After 6-7 years of phony accusations and hoaxes which always prove to be false, too many here just jump to conclusions right away. Trump is always depicted as a stupid, out-of-control, childish, ego-maniac. Trump ran on a platform and like no one since Reagan, kept his promises even better than Reagan. Trump did not let us down. We are letting HIM down.

          The voting is not yet completely finished and so the final verdict on the “red tsunami” is not in. Yet, just about all of the “conservatives” here are mouthing the Uniparty narrative that Trump is now toast. Hasn’t he earned the right to expect us to wait until all of the facts come out? That’s what all of our “reasonable” people always say when giving Democrats breathing room? Why no do the same for the most consequential conservative president in history? And he is not even a conservative. It’s just that the Overton Window has shifted so far to the left that being a typical American who loves his country and its culture is now treated like a radical phobiphobe!

          I am as cynical as can be about all politicians. And you just missed by a whisker of explaining away my defense of Trump as being a starry-eyed cultist. You DON’T know where I am coming from nor to you understand. You are just finding a comfortable place to avoid fighting the fight as our country is being taken over by communists.

          Trump/Guiliani have proven without question that they will stop at nothing to win this fight. Both have risked everything in this fight and at their age, it is hard to argue that they have ulterior motives. They ARE on our side. DeSantis? He is being seduced by dirty money (Fuzzy is unbelievably naive about Griffin) to confront Trump who will win anyway. If Griffin is such a patriot, why won’t he come out and explain himself? How easy it is to watch a shiny new object succumb to the temptation of power and wealth without asking questions?

          We never vet these shiny new objects. That is how we always end up with Chris Christie’s, Bushes, Romneys, McCains and so many others where we are told to hold our noses for the sake of the party. Trump saved us from the certainty of a Hillary presidency?

          If you are a typical Republican, your kind of reasoning is exactly why I am not a Republican. I don’t figure out my politics at the 19th hole with other effete “reasonable” snobs condescending to “educate” me with their “reasonableness”.

          I don’t care about a candidates rhetoric and “antics”. That’s the way the game is played. You play to win and Trump wins and he wins over issues we care about the most and that he promised to address in his campaigning. It’s easy to coast along like DeSantis and keep your nose clean when the establishment is covering for you and doing the attacking on your behalf. What looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck is most often a duck. And when it isn’t, it’s because the observer has never seen a duck. Well I’ve seen a lot of shiny objects show up like DeSantis and they always end up being bought off phonies. And if your ilk are once again going to buy a pig in a poke with vetting it, we have nothing to talk about. I don’t take the path of least resistance.

          Here’s the thing, Phil. If the red tsunami had materialized, if the projections were accurate, Trump would be sitting pretty right now. He would be boasting, quite rightly, that he made the difference, that the success of his hand-picked candidates proves he’s a power-broker and deserves to continue to lead the GOP. Everyone here, including you, would be cheering that and agreeing with it 100%.

          The problem, of course, is that didn’t happen.

          Then top it off with Trump’s intemperate and out-of-touch attacks on DeSantis prior to the midterms, his subsequent post-midterms rambling rants on both DeSantis AND Youngkin, and it’s all just too much. Trump would have deserved much of the credit had things gone as we all thought they would. But they didn’t. Not even close. So yes, Trump deserves much of the blame. And he’s only making things worse with his crazy attacks on fellow Republicans when literally no one, not even him, has even declared a run for TWO YEARS from now.

          If Trump really wants to force his supporters to choose between him and DeSantis (or Youngkin or any of the other candidates who are now looking at all this and rethinking their chances), then he’s in for a very unpleasant surprise. And it has nothing to do with the GOPe or brainwashing by globalists or mass hypnosis or secret cabals drinking baby blood while they stick pins in Trump dolls. This is down to what actually happened and Trump’s unhinged response to his losses (and he knows they are his, that’s why he’s lashing out and trying to drag other people down. That’s what people do when they are shocked, upset, jealous, emotionally immature, and undisciplined.).

If only Trump and DeSantis could unite for the good of our Republic.
Actually, that goes for all the right.
Stop the pettiness and save the country!

    r2468 in reply to lc. | November 12, 2022 at 6:53 am

    Doubtful, they are squaring off to battle before the primary. DeSantis has supporters willing to attack Trump on his behalf so he appears above it all. That’s one strategy. Trump’s strategy is to come out swinging early with his derogatory comments and name calling. Pick your team and prepare for battle.

      No one in DeSantis world has responded as far as I can see. They are probably embarrassed for him.

        I’m not sure who’s in DeSantis world but elections make strange bedfellows. I’m not against DeSantis. I’m waiting to see who teams up with him. I expect he will get around to responding to Trump eventually if he is running in 2024. If not running then Trump is burning a bridge too soon.

        Ms Pushaw registered as a foreign agent because of her work in Ukraine. I’m opposed to the US involvement in Ukraine. It’s a giant money pit where our tax dollars go without accountability. The Globalists love it. She’s a close associate of Ron so I’m watching for additional developments.

          That was brought up before here in Florida, and it’s a gigantic nothingburger, though it was odd that she registered retroactively. She was DeSantis’ press secretary before resigning to lead his Rapid Response team. She’s in public relations, in other words, and that seems to be what she was doing for some Ukrainian politician and made practically nothing ($25k over two years).

          It’s worth noting that a good percentage of former Congresscritters (both Dems and Republicans) end up working for foreign interests in various ways, mostly lobbying for this or that but also in advisory capacities, all have to register as foreign agents. And the vast majority of those make serious bank. All legal.

        CommoChief in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | November 12, 2022 at 8:41 am

        Seems like a deliberate strategy, sort of like Muhammad Ali ‘rope a dope’. Allow the opponent to punch themselves out, get tired and frustrated. Then at the right moment counter punch.

          Yes that’s a good approach but you also risk getting labeled with a catchy nickname like “low energy Jeb“.

          This seems likely. Also, there is really no indication that DeSantis himself wants to run in ’24. Literally none. He must be thinking about it, and he’s certainly being urged to do so by GOP figures and donors, but he’s kept his cards close and focused on Florida. He’s still focusing on Florida, and he wants to do more. I would not be surprised if he decides to wait to run in ’28, but I would also not be surprised if he decides to go for it in ’24. He’s a young man, only just turned 44, I think. He has time.

          With Trump in self-destruct mode, though, DeSantis (or any of a number of others) may end up jumping in early (i.e. ’24 instead of ’28). Trump is not clearing the field if that is what he thinks he’s doing. Jeb! tried that, too, with his early announcement and massive war chest. Look what that got him.

          It’s a good strategy for the Champ, not necessarily the challenger.

          CommoChief in reply to CommoChief. | November 12, 2022 at 9:55 am

          IMO, DeSantis was less likely to throw his hat into the ring before the sudden series of attacks. He’s now looking at the current landscape which has shifted because of those attacks.

          Lots of people are wondering why the guy who is supposed to be the ‘frontrunner’ in the r presidential primary is attacking other r. Especially since the midterms aren’t done and the supposed ‘frontrunner’ hasn’t declared his candidacy.

          Instead of rallying the troops around the r candidates now in the law fare stage of the ongoing midterm contests he is choosing to suck the air out of the room attacking two r Gov who won their most recent elections.

          If the ‘frontrunner’ is all that and a bag of chips why is he attacking r Gov who aren’t even declared opponents in a primary? What it indicates to some voters is an attempt to damage anyone who is a potential rival before the primary even begins.

          The timing, with midterms still ongoing, indicates the frontrunner is putting his interests in clearing the field of challengers ahead of the overall interests of the party.

          IOW it comes across as a selfish and perhaps as a potentially desperate act. Folks can disagree about the desperation, I tend to disagree as well, but it is a selfish act in the current situation. A self inflicted wound that hurts the frontrunner and the party.

        It’s more than that: DeSantis has pretty much ignored Trump during his entire tenure as Governor. I find that quite odd when, if you ask any Floridian, it was DJT that helped get DeSantis elected to that Governorship and he’s not acknowledged or thank him for that ever. S’plain that.

    We’ll find out once Trump announces. DeSantis, Cotton, and Cruz promised that they would not run in 2024 unless Trump decides not to. So far, only Cotton has announced he will not run. Since then, several other’s Trump endorsed have come out to voice their support of Trump. Stefanic the latest one.

    Trump is poised to sweep back into the White House for the good of the Republic if he can get past the corrupt GOPe. This will soon get sorted out when even more masks drop to reveal who stand where. Certain victory for Trump either way. Take out the rubbish now. Don’t even wait for the primary season. I can’t wait.

    There will be a lot of people here eating crow when the truth comes out about DeSantis. This will help Trump enormously when he wins and has already rid the Uniparty of all hope. His second term won’t look like his first with most of his enemies exposed. Of course, I had been looking forward to President DeSantis for 2028. I am now thinking Lake, Vance or whoever else steps up to the plate to fight for MAGA. We have plenty of time to evaluate them. I am leaning Lake.

      CommoChief in reply to Pasadena Phil. | November 12, 2022 at 10:11 am

      It his victory was certain then wouldn’t that have occurred in 2020? Lots of shenanigans in 2020 and it was an amazingly tight race with less than 200K ballots giving the d/prog the WH, the HoR and a 50/50 Senate.

      That’s not to say DJT couldn’t prevail, he did in 2016 but whatever else happened Biden was inaugurated and not DJT following the 2020 race.

      I and many others will vote for him in the general even if he is unable to convince us to do so in the primary. Some won’t. Many ‘independent’ or potential crossover d won’t. The media will be all in on trashing him again just like in 2020. That’s a lot to overcome. Some will question his age, personally I don’t see him as slowing down but it is a factor for some.

      I see no reason why DJT can’t prevail in a competitive primary and unite the r party while attracting other voters but attacking other r before the primary is not a promising start. Maybe his clear the field strategy will pay off for him and maybe it won’t. I do fear the potential damage he might do to the populist right in following this course. If it backfires he may end up strengthening the establishment as a result.

        That’s why I am calling for Trump to declare on the 15th If DeSantis is not really running, he will need to say so right after and give his support. He should also explain his war chest. Were he to change his mind later, game in. If he offers a lame, “I’m not ready yet but leaving my options open” explanation…game on and DeSantis will get crushed.

          CommoChief in reply to Pasadena Phil. | November 12, 2022 at 2:26 pm

          DeSantis did not make any definitive pledge not to run if DJT was in the race nor a definitive pledge not to run in 2024. Not that I am aware of anyway.

          He did say that he ‘had no plans to do so’. during his own landslide re-election campaign. Which was probably true at the time before the less than inspiring midterms. Before many hand selected DJT statewide candidates didn’t perform as hoped.

          Those statewide races are important because that’s how the electoral college tabulated who the next president will be. The less than inspiring performance of the DJT brand candidates in several competitive statewide races in purple States hurt DJT.

          The same for some blue States DJT had previously carried where his hand selected candidates failed to come close to the same % of votes much less the same totals as DJT.

          It was always a gamble by DJT. Had his candidates won it would have clearly demonstrated the DJT magic still existed. They didn’t. That doesn’t mean that magic is gone but it does mean that he’s going to have to earn the nomination now. It won’t be simply handed to him.

          I see no reason DJT can’t earn the nomination; he did it in 2016 against worse odds.

The Gentle Grizzly | November 12, 2022 at 7:15 am

“It’s clear whom they would rather run against.”

Tsk tsk tsk…

The Gentle Grizzly | November 12, 2022 at 8:00 am

Trump: I’m ready for my close-up, Mr. Carlson…

Sen Mark Kelly has been announced winner in AZ. Thank you Mitch! Add that to your other back stabbing tactics! Of course, this gets posted to Trump’s score card as a loss. Just because his endorsement always boosts candidates in trouble doesn’t mean they will win. Trump makes the effort and risks it. McConnell? He has his own globalist Uniparty agenda which seems to be very popular here at LI.

    CommoChief in reply to Pasadena Phil. | November 12, 2022 at 10:20 am


    That’s a fair criticism. Another fair criticism would be DJT spending more money supporting David Perdue against Kemp in the GA r primary race for Gov than he sent to Masters.

    McConnell and DJT sent money to foolish races. DJT to the GA primary. McConnell to Alaska to back Murkowski. The money both wasted on being petty and vindictive could have helped other candidates in tight races. Particularly Masters.

William A. Jacobson | November 12, 2022 at 10:00 am

Sad to see that some readers are going down the rabbit hole pushed by conspiracy websites and pundits whose main interest is in stoking traffic and self-importance. A sentence from an op-ed by one billionaire is used to weave a fictional elaborate web of control over DeSantis. Where did the $100 million Trump has in the campaign bank come from? Certainly not himself, he never spends his own money. And he spent very little of that $100 million political bankroll to back candidates he endorsed.

And if having billionaire and finance industry backers makes a candidate “GOPe” and in the pocket of the funders, why doesn’t that apply to Trump, who had a long list of billionaires backing him in 2020, including many from finance.

(added) it is possible to be against DeSantis, to think Trump would be the better candidate, or to simply say you like Trump more, without buying into the insane conspiracy theories being spread.

And this notion that DeSantis “owes” Trump not to run because Trump helped him reverses historical reality. DeSantis backed Trump long before Trump backed DeSantis. In 2016, when there was an effort to mount a convention floor fight against Trump, DeSantis urged the party to unite behind Trump. That was years before Trump helped DeSantis in the 2018 Governor’s race – by that logic, Trump owes DeSantis, not the other way around

As we documented in multiple posts, prior to the midterms the media narrative was that DeSantis was “worse than Trump” and equally if not more MAGA, Now, as Fuzzy documents, they are trying to manipulate people by claiming DeSantis is NeverTrump and an establishment stooge. Interesting how the media narrative lines up perfectly with the anti-DeSantis conspiracy narrative.

I think this has it right: “DeSantis went after Disney. He took on the trans agenda. He shipped illegals to Martha’s Vineyard. He defied Fauci. If you think he’s establishment then you truly have absolutely no idea what the establishment is, how it operates, or what it wants. You are just clueless.”

We are not advocating DeSantis or any particlar candidate. Let them fight it out in the primaries. But sabotaging the 2022 midterms by launching a tirade in the 72 hour runup and damaging the upcoming Georgia runoff effort by making it all about you (if Trump announces next week), needs to be called out. We’ve seen this movie before when Trump sabotaged the Jan 5, 2021 Georgia runoffs which cost us two Senate seats and enabled the Biden agenda to pass 50-50 plus VP.

Go down the rabbit hole, it’s your right as Americans. But we’re not going to enable it.

    William A. Jacobson in reply to William A. Jacobson. | November 12, 2022 at 1:04 pm

    There is no one who has been more supportive of Trump than Don Surber. Yet he says it’s time to move on,

    “I was in a bubble this year. Tuesday’s election busted it.

    Hope is the thing with feathers. We were plucked.
    We can talk about cheating and the fix being in and mail-in votes. We can go on and on about the deep state and the media. We can spend months in denial but the fact is, Americans do not want Donald John Trump to be their president.

    He did not save the Republican Party. He spent it….

    The truth is not a warm puppy. It often is a snowman standing on a glacier. This is one of those times.

    Governors Kemp, Sununu and DeSantis showed how Tuesday would have gone for Republicans without Trump. Republicans needed to gain 5 House seats. DeSantis delivered 4….

    Dr. Oz showed how it went with Trump. That’s how poisonous he has become in purple America. We, his fans, see the good in him and the evil in his enemies. But the majority doesn’t and never will. It is a sale that cannot be made. There will be no second term from The Donald.

    It breaks my heart to see this. I wrote three books on the man. Looking for someone else — likely DeSantis — will cost me readers. As I said about the covid vaccine, you do you.

    But Trump failed. He cost America the red tsunami we need to rein in Democrats….

    You learn from history. United we stand. Divided we wind up with a Democrat president and Congress.

    Everyone makes mistakes. I made one this year. You can either learn from your mistakes or you can keep making the same mistake over and over again.

    Other bloggers will tell you what you want to hear. I will tell you what you need to know. I was disappointed last night and thought it was a cheat. I woke up this morning and realized I was wrong.

    Wake up.

    The good news is Trump softened the field.

    The better news is Florida is now redder than any state, including West Virginia.”

    Is Don Surber part of the (fictional) RINO establishment GOPe consipracy to destroy MAGA and install DeSantis? Sometimes you have to listen to what you don’t want to hear.

I enjoy this site and I thank you for running it. I happen to believe there was and will be consequential voter fraud. Maybe vote harvesting is legal but I don’t think it is morally right. If that is your rabbit hole then I’m down it. Plus it’s fun to have a debate on both sides of the issue. I see Uniparty/Globalist vs America First/MAGA. Others see R vs D. That makes it more interesting because the teams are not always the same. We are trying to determine which team is picking DeSantis or will he sit this one out and be Governor of Florida.

If you’re trusting the Lenin project you need to rethink your life.

My eyes were opened to Globalism after I studied
1. the Clinton Foundation corruption.

2. Soros got involved in funding political races in the US specifically the DAs and SOSs.

3. The WEF posted about the Great Reset and trains Young Global Leaders.

4. The large migrant caravans got assistance in moving across the continent and into the US.

All of this is well documented stuff. Hardly conspiracy theories.

    CommoChief in reply to r2468. | November 12, 2022 at 4:47 pm

    No one is arguing that these four items aren’t true. The difference is when someone tries to equate not being willing to bend the knee to DJT as being a sellout to the WEF, Soros, the Clintons and support for 2.5 + million illegal immigrants each year.

“Republicans moved to Florida!”

True, but the media never seem to be curious enough to wonder why.

I like DeSantis but seriously question his judgement in already making deals with the GOPe, assuming that is what he is doing.


— Getting in bed early with GOPe and their big money donors. Will owe people
— If elected will be concerned about re-election
— Was just elected to be Governor of FL, not to run for POTUS
— Unknown if he will take a wrecking ball to DC, which is what’s needed


— GOPe hates him: a great big plus in my book
— Will owe no one
— Will not care about re-election
— Now knows how DC works and not hesitant to use a wrecking ball