Trump Launches Lengthy Attack On Ron DeSantis, Who Is Busy Helping Florida Prepare For Hurricane
Trump: “Ron DeSanctimonious is playing games!”
Hurricane Nicole is approaching the Florida coast. Governor Ron DeSantis, who did a phenomenol job handling hurricane Ian, is busy.
Today, Governor Ron DeSantis gave an update on state preparation efforts ahead of Tropical Storm Nicole and urged Floridians to listen to local emergency management officials for updates related to their counties. There are currently 16,000 linemen staged to respond to power outages following the storm in addition to 600 guardsmen that have been activated, and 7 Urban Search and Rescue teams on standby to deploy following the storm. Governor DeSantis also signed an executive order, expanding the number of counties under the State of Emergency to 45 counties, now including Alachua, Bradford, Dixie, Gilchrist, Hernando, Jefferson, Levy, Marion, Pinellas, Taylor, and Wakulla counties. Preparation efforts for Tropical Storm Nicole are in addition to the ongoing recovery effort for Hurricane Ian. To watch the Governor’s full remarks, click here.
As of 1:00PM EST, Tropical Storm Nicole is located 185 miles east of West Palm Beach, Florida with maximum sustained winds of 70mph and moving west at 12mph. Currently, Nicole is forecast to reach hurricane strength later today. Floridians are reminded to prepare for an increased risk of coastal and river flooding, rainfall, heavy winds, tornadoes, rip currents and beach erosion.
In other news, Donald Trump on his Truth Social platform launched a lengthy attack on DeSantis, following up on the themes Trump pushed in the 72 hours prior to the midterms:
Now that midterms are over, and a success…
NewsCorp, which is Fox, the Wall Street Journal, and the no longer great New York Post (bring back Col!), is all in for Governor Ron DeSanctimonious, an average REPUBLICAN Governor with great Public Relations, who didn’t have to close up his State, but did, unlike other Republican Governors, whose overall numbers for a Republican, were just average—middle of the pack—including COVID, and who has the advantage of SUNSHINE, where people…
…from badly run States up North would go no matter who the Governor was, just like I did!
Ron came to me in desperate shape in 2017—he was politically dead, losing in a landslide to a very good Agriculture Commissioner, Adam Putnam, who was loaded up with cash and great poll numbers. Ron had low approval, bad polls, and no money, but he said that if I would Endorse him, he could win. I didn’t know Adam so I said, “Let’s give it a shot, Ron.” When I Endorsed him,…
…it was as though, to use a bad term, a nuclear weapon went off. Years later, they were the exact words that Adam Putnam used in describing Ron’s Endorsement. He said, “I went from having it made, with no competition, to immediately getting absolutely clobbered after your Endorsement.” I then got Ron by the “Star” of the Democrat Party, Andrew Gillum (who was later revealed to be a “Crack Head”), by having two massive Rallies with tens of thousands of people at each one…
…I also fixed his campaign, which had completely fallen apart. I was all in for Ron, and he beat Gillum, but after the Race, when votes were being stolen by the corrupt Election process in Broward County, and Ron was going down ten thousand votes a day, along with now-Senator Rick Scott, I sent in the FBI and the U.S. Attorneys, and the ballot theft immediately ended, just prior to them running out of the votes necessary to win. I stopped his Election from being stolen…
…And now, Ron DeSanctimonious is playing games! The Fake News asks him if he’s going to run if President Trump runs, and he says, “I’m only focused on the Governor’s race, I’m not looking into the future.” Well, in terms of loyalty and class, that’s really not the right answer…
This is just like 2015 and 2016, a Media Assault (Collusion!), when Fox News fought me to the end until I won, and then they couldn’t have been nicer or more supportive. The Wall Street Journal loved…
…Low Energy Jeb Bush, and a succession of other people as they rapidly disappeared from sight, finally falling in line with me after I easily knocked them out, one by one. We’re in exactly the same position now. They will keep coming after us, MAGA, but ultimately, we will win. Put America First and, MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
You know the sticker in Pennsylvania that says, ‘I voted’? Some people are wearing them saying, ‘I thought I voted.’ Pennsylvania is a very corrupt State with voting, but nobody ever wants to check that. How does Oz (smart guy!) lose to a guy who can’t string together two sentences? They don’t want to check, because they don’t want to make me right. It happened to me in 2020, I lost one million votes with possibly one of the biggest drops in History, happening in the middle of the night.
The New York Post today has a story about the Wall, but my progress on the Wall was slowed down by News Corp Board Member Paul Ryan, who together with the Broken Old Crow Mitch McConnell, weren’t able to get me the funds. I ended up getting them anyway, after two-and-a-half years of lawsuits, through another source, and completed the Wall plus certain additions that were made, which could have been done in three weeks, but no, the Biden Administration stupidly wanted Open Borders.
If CNN were smart, they’d open up a Conservative network, only have me on, and it would be the most successful network in History. Fox only made it because of me, Twitter only made it because of me, and even Facebook is now in the tubes, having lost almost $90 billion…
…in value since I was taken off, which was considered one of the biggest mistakes in business over the last two years, because with Trump go tens of millions of people who believe in MAGA, who want to Make America Great Again, and Put America First!
Clark County, Nevada, has a corrupt voting system (be careful Adam!), as do many places in our soon to be Third World Country. Arizona even said “by the end of the week!” – They want more time to cheat! Kari Lake MUST win!
For those many people that are being fed the fake narrative from the corrupt media that I am Angry about the Midterms, don’t believe it. I am not at all angry, did a great job (I wasn’t the one running!), and am very busy looking into the future. Remember, I am a “Stable Genius.”
Despite having picked so many winners, I have to put up with the Fake News. For me, Fox News was always gone, even in 2015-16 when I began my “journey,” but now they’re really gone. Such an opportunity for another media outlet to make an absolute fortune, and do good for America. Let’s see what happens?
I’d like to apologize to Melania and Sean Hannity for all of the Fake News and fictional stories (made up out of thin air, with no sources despite them claiming there are!), being dumped on you by reporters and “News” Organizations who know these stories are not true. The Fake News Media is “Crazed” and totally out of control. I only wish the public could understand how really corrupt and crooked they are. They MAKE UP stories and then push them down your throats. Our Country is in big trouble!
There is a Fake Story being promulgated by third rate reporter Maggie Hagaman of the Failing New York Times, that I am blaming our great former First Lady, Melania, and Sean Hannity, that I was angry with their pushing me to Endorse Dr. Oz. First of all Oz is a wonderful guy who really worked hard and was a very good candidate, but he WAS LONG IN THE RACE before I ever Endorsed him, they had NOTHING to do with it, he was not a “denier” (his mistake!), & I was not at all ANGRY. Fake News!
…219 WINS against 16 LOSSES IN THE GENERAL ELECTION, and yet the Fake News writes only unrecognizable junk. No wonder they are all doing sooo badly!
Incredible how dishonest the Fake News Media is.The Failing New York Times has gone crazy. So many of the people I Endorsed went on to victory on Tuesday Night, nobody was even close, and they literally make up a story refusing to write the facts, and only quoting enemies and losers. Almost all of the people I endorsed WON, yet if you read the story from two Trump hating writers (who only do as they are told!), you would not even recognize the truth. They truly are, THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE!!!
Now that the Election in Florida is over, and everything went quite well, shouldn’t it be said that in 2020, I got 1.1 Million more votes in Florida than Ron D got this year, 5.7 Million to 4.6 Million? Just asking?
And it goes on, and on, and on.
In other news, Ron DeSantis hasn’t said anything about Donald Trump.
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Unhinged ranting and crap tgrowin5per usual.
CNN should launch a Trump only network?
He just needs to go away at this point.
Now cue gonzo Phil and the other suckoffs to sing his praises and tell us all how we can’t see his brilliance. You nutters deserve the Dems we are going to get from your shit show.
Sounds like you have a bigger issue than Trump.
Sounds like you value a person above conservatives principles.
The comment had nothing to do with Trump, actually, but the aspersions cast against others. Worse than anything Trump said, by the way.
Sounds more like you do. Trump is cancer to the Republican party. They should have picked up at least three seats in the Senate and hit 240 in the House.
If they’re lucky, they MIGHT hit 51 in the Senate, but I have my doubt Walker can pull of the upset on a shit candidate because he’s more of shit candidate and Laxalt is looking pretty damn shakey. And we look at Trump’s extremist idiot candidates for that problem. His Senate picks are 3-for-7 and their failures will likely cost the Republicans the Senate when they could have taken it 53-47 with good candidates..
In the House he 4 for 10 and DESPITE THAT the Republicans are making gains and look to flip the house as they’re at 211 with 25 undecided. But had he not backed so many candiats they’d probably be at 215 with 25 undecided.
In short, he’s a loser and dead-weight and it’s time to move one.
Professor, you are out in left field on this issue. You are only seeing and hearing what you want. DeSantis IS being sneaky, disloyal and dishonest. And he is doing it behind a sanctimonious face. You are passing along lies that the media made up.
DeSantis has built up a $250 million+ war chest despite promising Trump that he would only run if Trump decided not to. Cotton and Cruz made the same promise. Cotton has already made good. We’ll see if Cruz does too but not yet. My bet is that he will run.
So who is giving DeSantis this money? He is clearly plotting against Trump and we don’t know what he is promising to whom for that money. Do you? Or is it like election theft, we just pretend it doesn’t happen? What if it turns out that the money is from sources tied to the WEF? What makes you think you know DeSantis is not so ambitious that he would sell his soul to join the billionaires club? He is knifing his best ally in the back with his silence masking his plotting.
Trump and MAGA are wedded. Good luck to DeSantis if he decides to split the GOP with his treachery. He may be a star for now because of the coordinated propaganda effort to promote the lie that Trump lost the elections but he cannot steal Trump’s base of disgruntled independents. DeSantis CAN NOT WIN IF HE CHALLENGES TRUMP!!!
The Dems and MSM are touting the same narrative as you are as are the NeverTrumper Republicans. Why are you falling for all of this Professor? Is there something you should be telling us?
A lot of people have simply always hated Trump. It is hard to resist the daily mental onslaught and people end up “Oh, I liked policy X but I don’t like Trump!” so they don’t get socially rejected. The whole “mean tweets” thing.
Some people want somebody spunky enough to fight and fight well, but act like Rebecca from Sunnybrook Farm.
This is exactly what propaganda will do.
What has really changed since the election? I mean really.
Now the Republican party is divided. This was intended. It isn’t Trump vs. DeSantis, it is tyranny vs. liberty.
More and more I am shocked at how powerful propaganda is and how it makes rational people irrational. Divided is conquered.
I will vote for anyone that puts the citizens and the Constitution before the party! If the two-party system gets crushed in these elections and “we the people” win…. then bring it on! I don’t think a two-party system is benefitting “we the people” in this day and age. Maybe having the party’s power diminish is a good thing for the citizenry. Many are calling for a third party, and that might be the disinfection politics and politicians need. Hang on to your Constitution, not your party. We can afford to lose the latter but not the former. Keep the important things in perspective.
Phil, you are the MAN!!!!
ABSO-F’n-LUTELY!! That is it!!
Keep your powder dry, folks.
Trump just lost 3 major elections for us in a row. I am with the professor I am sick to death of losing. The stakes are high, and the impact of each defeat is high. Trump is not owed the nomination, and no DeSantis did not backstab him.
He did however humiliate him because the DeSantis success like the Kemp success does put Trump into perspective.
Oh Danny… Trump
Did not lose us 3 elections, the RINOs did
He’s The only one standing between you and them
You better wake up
Really? How is he “standing” between anything? He’s not in office, and all he’s doing now is holding rallies and attacking a potential rival. Look at that rant… LOOK AT IT. What is the purpose for that? Does it help the cause? DeSantis is the best governor in America. He’s been fighting against the left in Florida for four solid years and has scored win after win. And Trump has just decided that he has to be torn down because he MIGHT run in 2024.
Screw Trump. His ego and his malicious behavior towards rivals were annoying before, but now we can’t afford them. He’s not the “only one” standing between us and them… and we don’t need him anymore.
The only thing he is standing between is us and winning elections.
We tried having an election based on Trump multiple times. Without both Hillary on the ticket and Democrats thinking PA MI and WI don’t need any resources/are in the bag we lose with Trump on the ticket.
I am glad Hillary was incompetent enough to determine Wisconsin wasn’t in play. It is however time to leave Trump behind, he is a gigantic liability.
I seldom see sentiment split up here.. Interesting… likes and dislikes all over.. I side with Phil, although I don’t see the good Professor way out in left field.. Maybe 2nd base?
If DeSantis can’t take on Trump, I don’t want him in the WH. He will be a simp. If what Trump says is true, then DeSantis is sleazy. I don’t want that in the WH either. IF the Establishment doesn’t treat DeSantis like Trump, then DeSantis is a part of that establishment!
You have fabulous what if super powers.
You have amazing what if super powers.
You are one ignorant imbecile. Good luck selling this cancer to the Trump coalition that is be stabbed in the back. Conservative CANNOT win elections. And there aren’t enough Republicans to win either. Trump got us here and yet all you squishes can do is pile on to every lie that is told about him. And you DEMONIZE those of us who disagree with you. FUCK!!! YOU!!!!
I think the Professor is going to split his readership with this kind of thinking. Personally, I am rethinking why I want to keep commenting here and contributing to LIF. I have no intention to get back on the RINO boat for losers. That is what Trump rescued us from. DeSantis? We don’t know him yet!
Probably your most intellectual argument to date.
Don’t forget that he threatened to withdraw his donation too….the internet equivalent of taking his ball and going home.
If PP stops commenting here, LI can tell me his contribution amount and I’ll gladly match it.
It’s worth it to not see eyesores of recycled garbage from the shitblogs that crowd frequents.
2. 2018-Democrat red wave year
We have a (as the country gets more partisan less and less potent) geography advantage that will allow us to win when the other candidate can’t breach the 50% barrier either but the vast and overwhelming majority of the time the winner of the electoral college and popular vote is the same person.
Would you like to know why our geography advantage doesn’t always put us over the top
1. Al Gore-48%
2. Hillary Clinton-48%
If Ron DeSantis is your definition of RINO. Well he governs as a conservative, he also is as strong as you could get on the social issues, he also successfully fights the mob, he has been a total triumph in every way.
Well, the top numbers are easily explainable:
Trump has so far best represented a president who wanted to preserve the American Way.
But a slim majority of American people don’t want the American Way.
If this were a majority-rules democracy, we’d have to give up and concede.
But it’s majority-rules with minority-rights, and that drives the majority crazy.
We are reduced every election (and between them) to fighting merely to preserve our minority rights. And that’s why we never make any progress.
Never heard it explained so well and succinctly. This is why I think it’s futile to be fighting about stuff that happens at election time. The real work needs to be done 24/7 elsewhere in the country’s culture, so that by the time we get to an election we aren’t sitting on pins and needles.
Trump is never gonna win in a 1984-esque landslide. Neither is any other (R) or (D) any time soon. I don’t want this country to ever see a (D) winning 49 states because we would be screwed. If we ever want to see big winnings by a (R) again, the entire country must be reformed. It will not be a short-term fix.
I don’t entirely disagree although I do think the U.S. Government has a major influence on culture, and if we fail to take it we will lose the culture long term.
Department of Education will be recommending books for schools; and schools will act on those recommendations. It could either recommend assigning books written by Cicero translated into English or trash by Ibram X Kendi.
While politics is downstream of culture the reverse is also true.
I also think it isn’t time for culture despair yet. We actually lead on multiple cultural issues.
I don’t think I have to persuade you but just to re-emphasize we need someone who at least has a chance of winning, because of how high the stakes are in the culture.
Shaping minds through education towards patriotism was actually part of the reason we created the public school system in the first place. Its shaping minds is not a bug but a feature.
That is what is known as a faulty conclusion. Logical fallacies. A better conclusion is that Trump’s baggage has gotten heavier.
People are saying they DO want the American Way; That’s why they can’t support Trump any longer. They want a leader who can win they don’t have to keep apologize for.
They’re saying people skills, and knowing how to hire and retain employees are important skills for any elected leader, and would have made Trump a more successful president.
They’re saying sometimes someone with Trump’s skills -plus the ones he lacks – may be a better choice.
Desantis endorsed a RINO, and he lost bigly. DeSantis’s endorsement didn’t pull him over the top.
DeSantis is my governor and I voted for him. However he is a guy who was in the right place at the right time. West Palm Beach has the largest Club 45-pro-Trump organization in all of America. Those folks have been on the ground working like crazy. I saw DeSantis when he spoke at the club. DeSantis benefitted from that, but he didn’t build it. The Spanish in Florida were coming on the Republican train when Trump was President. They aren’t voting for Republicans because we are so great, but they are voting AGAINST communism they see in the Democrat party. DeSantis benefitted from that but didn’t start the ball rolling on it. We have a massive amount of Republicans moving to Florida from blue States. DeSantis benefitted from that, but he didn’t make it happen. They were not for Florida they were against the State they lived in. Parents here got out against the schools and moved us against masks/Covid policies. Many people were behind the scenes to move DeSantis on his COVID policies. They deserve the credit. DeSantis did build a committee to fight election fraud. That was smart!
My problem with DeSantis is he gave Florida Hospitals total immunity after the peak of COVID scares. No one can sue them for lack of COVID care. DeSantis favors red flag laws, which go against gun rights. DeSantis voted in favor of the military-industrial complex spending as a Congressman. He also was in favor of the CURES act as a Congressman. If you want a holistic look at DeSantis, look up his voting record as a Congressman.
When 2024 rolls around, Republicans will vote for whoever is the GOP candidate. Things will be so bad we will beg ANYONE to take over because the pain will be great. We will not have the luxury to debate stupid stuff at that point. Hopefully, we will make it to 2024.
DeSantis endorsed O’Day after the r primaries had nominated him as the r nominee. He lost. That’s a fact.
It would also be factual to rephrase the statement to ‘DeSantis endorsed the r nominee chosen by the r primary in CO. Supporting the nominee of the party is kind of the point of a political party.
I see you didn’t mention the races in PA in which the candidates received an endorsement during the primary from a certain someone who’s endorsement got them the nomination but not a general election victory.
Both underperformed the endorser, one significantly so. Which calls into question the amount of value of the endorsement in that State.
You started by discrediting yourself by first pretending Colorado was a competitive race (it frankly wasn’t) and second pretending it was a DeSantis pick (CommoChief already addressed that it wasn’t) but you really want to address the covid issue? You really think that Donald Trump didn’t back Anthony Fauci?
Not only that why was Anthony Fauci able to fund gain of function research in Wuhan without Trump keeping on eye on it? You really want to go down the Covid rabbit hole? I wasn’t going to attack Trump for it but I am not delusional about the Trump record when he ATTACKED Georgia for reopening.
I have gotten things wrong before we all have, I do not tell lies in order to give myself a reason not to adapt to reality.
I certainly will look up his congressional record, thanks. I’m a 16%er who thinks for myself.
Trump didn’t the GOP anywhere. The Democrats ran the worst possible candidate they could have against Trump the first time and he barely won after Clinton made more mistakes than can be counted.
Then they ran a senile old racist and grifter and won. Trump is a clown car and hurts the GOP which was massively polling ahead of the Democrats. But when people who actually matter (the CENTRISTS) got to the polls too many of them wouldn’t vote for clown-car Trump candidates.
Remember, it’s no the Republican or Democratic hard-core voters that win elections. It’s the moderates, like myself, who look for the best candidate and no Trump candidate was the best candidate.
Now, in my state, it didn’t matter. But where it mattered, Trump was a cancer.
I genuinely hope you get through to people.
You’re a fool. Overreacting to this is unhinged. And stupid. Even if true, it isn’t a press release. It reads like a typical campaign communication sent by both parties all the time to subscribers on a mailing list. It isn’t a press release. There is some effort here to convince the perennially stupid and naive to turn against Trump but I suspect you were never a supporter in the first place so who cares what you think.
Observing data is not an overreaction. You’re also completely wrong as I voted for him twice. I’d vote for him again with no other reasonable alternative all while knowing that the effort is frivolous.
It would be an exercise in folly backed by data demonstrating repeated failures by Trump since 2016 (which was narrowly won due to Dem apathy because every pollster said Trump had no shot).
I was overjoyed when Hillary crashed. When SCOTUS flipped to the good guys, I got more than I could have asked for with my vote. It won’t happen again, though. I’m a realist about that and I’m seeing Trump not Desantis continue to divide us further with arrogant, fictitious rants like the one above.
Frankly, these obvious clues as to Trump’s inviability are more than your suckoff post deserved in response. Swallow the bitter pill and move on…or don’t and watch us lose again. You have the free will to be an ignorant and oblivious dope…for the moment at least.
Doesn’t matter that’s not a press release it everything matters that he wrote it, that it’s petty that it’s beneath the office. A lot of people overlooked his personality in 2016 and 2020 – because he was running against Hillary and Joe Biden both of those should’ve been defeated.
I purposely overlooked his lack of people skills twice. It’s someone else’s turn. I will support whoever is the nominee. We just deserve someone who has better self control, better people skills, and can actually retain staff he hires.
I LOVE Ron De Santis. But what Trump knows – and most here are ignoring – is that De Santis is on board with the GOP swamp. Now, whether he is just using them is another question. But Trump is the gold standard. He proved it.
You jump on board with Rupert Murdock/Fox News/NY Post ‘dump Trump’ movement at ALL our perils. And if you do jump aboard, you’re no more of an adult than the leftist adult children useful idiots.
Clap, clap, clap
Did you take a break from spamming to cheerlead?
Pick a lane. You LOVE Desantis but don’t trust him….makes perfect sense.
Really? And how is DeSantis “on board with the GOP swamp?” Examples, please.
Speaking of unhinged 😂😂
What I’m most curious about here, is: What does Trump know that we don’t?
Remember: this man is rarely wrong.
I think everyone’s jumping the gun here. Be patient, and don’t fall into the democrat/GOPe’s media traps.
this ought to be fun!
Fun if a person is into root canals. Otherwise, not so much.
Note, I am having a little trouble with what commenters are attributing to ProfJ – the way I read the post above, the Prof has just 4 lines – the rest are verbatim quotes lifted from floridadisaster.org and truth social. From the Prof:
Hurricane Nicole is approaching the Florida coast. Governor Ron DeSantis, who did a phenomenol job handling hurricane Ian, is busy.
In other news, Donald Trump on his Truth Social platform launched a lengthy attack on DeSantis, following up on the themes Trump pushed in the 72 hours prior to the midterms:
And it goes on, and on, and on.
In other news, Ron DeSantis hasn’t said anything about Donald Trump.
I have been hitting the box wine tonight (arthritis flare up), so maybe I just don’t get it? Strikes me a bit like telling your brother “mom said you was ugly” and getting punched inna mouth.
It was sarcasm. I used to work for a member of Congress, I was a campaign manager for a state rep one cycle, although that wasn’t much of a job it was a safe race and I didn’t know what the hell I was doing. I am still interested in politics, yes. But now I try to keep my distance and a level head. Not always successful. I’m fed up with all of them, really.
“… fed up with all of them …”
I’m with you. It seems to me all forms of government are punitive based. I tire of it – if only because ever expanding government has encroached on the social and personal, thereby eroding personal responsibility / accountability – to the point I’m forced by gov’t to pay for some gamey nose-ringed heifer who got a gender studies degree whose fry cook position at McDonald’s doesn’t pay enough to live, much less pay off her student loans.
Sure didn’t take long. Hell I don’t even know who my governor will be.
Truth Social is a ghost town so I can’t say I noticed.
I think a lot of people in the Republican Party want to move past Trump without acknowledging:
1) all his amazing accomplishments as President, including keeping his word on things, moving the Israeli embassy, Abraham accords, reducing regulations, and many more. He far exceeded my expectations despite having a R house/senate team that blocked his and the voters agenda
2) his wisdom in recognizing real threats like China and the media and the deep state to a greater degree than anyone else and exposing them
3) revitalizing working class and Latino support and extending the umbrella for the R party
I don’t know if the party moves forward successfully today in the direction it does if he hadn’t won.
He gave a lot of people hope. He took a lot of arrows for all of us.
I think it is a shame he was robbed of a 2nd term and he has to go down as – yes, polarizing – but also one of the most important and consequential Presidents in recent history.
That being said, we probably have to move past Trump and some of the self-promotion is not an attractive part of who he is. But some of it is and what made him succeed in a hostile media world.
I say this only because I think too many of the people who want to move past Trump really don’t understand what it means to stitch together a working class coalition and shutdown corporate fascism and operate in a hostile media world to the extent needed to win on a national stage.
It will take a lot, including smart tactics, great personnel, and a lot of wins to overcome the corruption, the odds and forces stacked against us.
So I am ok with the criticism of Trump, but as we approach Thanksgiving let’s be grateful too for what he did and keep in mind that the media and other forces will try to destroy anyone and everyone.
Kari Lake is a telegenic happy warrior, and look at how she is struggling in Arizona. DeSantis is blowing it out now, but it was razor thin the first time. He proved himself and then the independents and others came onboard.
Let’s not think we can just change players (candidates) when the whole team (all of us) are going to have to do our part to win.
The media and individuals are going to do the best to divide us in the coming days. I love what DeSantis has done in Florida, I love what Trump did as President, I love this site – and I won’t let anyone up in Fox HQ or anywhere else try to divide my support for all of them.
United we stand.
I’ll say that I don’t believe that giving President Trump credit where credit is due for his past accomplishments, while simultaneously believing that Governor DeSantis is a superior 2024 GOP nominee, are mutually exclusive concepts.
I think President Trump deserves huge credit for his undeniable economic and foreign policy accomplishments, and, for his three SCOTUS appointments — all achieved against a campaign of unprecedented, lawless and vindictive sabotage/subversion by the Obama Administration, the FBI and the crone Clinton campaign, let’s observe — and, I gladly give him that credit because it is richly-deserved.
That said, I feel we need to pick a candidate who gives the GOP the best chance of winning the White House. At the end of the day, this is purely a business decision; it’s nothing personal, and, President Trump of all people should understand that mindset, because it comes from the private sector.
Yes. De Santis arguably governed better according to many MAGA principles than did Trump — Without his constituents having to pay charges for extra baggage.
Trump without all the baggage.
That’s precisely how I see it. DeSantis gives conservatives an authentic MAGA agenda, propelled by a leader who isn’t going to burn bridges and piss off potential voters every time he opens his intemperate and undisciplined mouth, all while giving the Dumb-o-crat media lackeys free ammunition to attack him.
Both of you get it. People who have been on here longer than a month should know that I’m def not Never Trump but it’s time to move on.
Those that are unwilling will quickly label you something to make themselves feel better moving on emotion and not strategy.
Al only got a pile of upvotes because the cultists saw him praise Trump at the beginning and didn’t bother to read the rest. I agree with every single word he said actually.
I hear both sides but I’m not convinced we can win 2024 by sidelining Trump. It’s not just the quality of candidates that lost. I find it hard to say Oz is a low quality candidate when compared to Fetterman . We failed to unify as a party around the candidates in the general as MAGA and legacy Republicans were devided with legacy Republicans saying we didn’t have enough quality to win. Maybe this lack of unified support lost the race. I’m currently more concerned about getting all hands on deck to get Walker over the line or will this end fighting doom us to defeat. I don’t desire for anyone here to give up their independent thought but can we for once unify to win this important battle? Will Trump be able to form a coalition with conservitive rising stars and the current leadership to pull out a victory? My support going forward will be in light of this resolve yet to be revealed. WHO WILL PUT COUNTRY OVER SELF?
My thoughts exactly
If Trump was on the ticket he would get my vote, but i would also vote for desantos. Trump kept or tried to keep every campaign promise – unusual in a candidate. Desantos did a good job as Florida gov. Both are hated by the same swamp dwellers – and both don’t back down when The Swamp attacks.
Trump looks petulant here – he’d be smarter to go “elder statesman” rather than get all upset because someone else is popular among anti-swamp voters. He’s shooting himself in the foot here, a Trump/Desantos ticket would certainly be a smart move.
Trump would have to move back to New York (or somewhere else) to get a Trump/DeSantis ticket.
I am on record saying DeSantis should stay Governor until he term-limits out in 2026, but I am getting a little weary of Trump and do not want 4 more years of Biden.
Are you writing a book or posting a comment. Here’s a new word for you: brevity. Bonus: concise.
I respond to the uber long posts with “Holy Wall of Text, Batman!”
That being said, we probably have to move past Trump and some of the self-promotion is not an attractive part of who he is.
You’re fooling yourself about DeSantis. He is not who you think he is. As always follow the money
Fatfingered the vote. Sorry.
The midterm elections are not over. We have candidates still in very competitive races with votes still being counted in AZ and NV, we have a runoff for the GA Senate seat on Dec 6.
Until the votes are counted, legal wrangling done and the winners known every prospective candidate for the upcoming r presidential primary should heed Reagan’s 11th commandment ‘thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow republican’.
Once the midterms are over and candidates declare themselves then by all means go to it. No holds barred, bare knuckle brawl is totes fine; during the primary, not before. Kick each other in the jimmy, use any tactic that gets you the win. A primary fight is just that, a fight. However, let’s not do that before the primary or after it.
We can still win the Senate and gain more seats in the House. And if DeSantis and Cruz would simply inform Trump they are not running in 2024, this developing GOP split would end right away. Trump is being advised to wait until the Georgia election is decided before announcing. I think he should do it right now and we will have our answer about DeSantis if he doesn’t follow immediately to declare he is not running. Cruz is a joke who is not a threat if he runs.
This is a coordinated attack by the Uniparty to destroy MAGA and I can’t tell you how disappointed I am with Legal Insurrection, authors and commenters. So many of you have fallen for it. That’s what makes the GOP the Stupid Party. They fall for every single trick. LI is a Uniparty site? If so, I am gone! For good!
“”I am gone! For good!””
You said that after Trump lost. You lied.
Downvote away. It’s still a fact.
I merely reminded everyone that the midterms are not in fact over and suggested that until they conclude that every potential candidate for the r presidential primary should heed Reagan’s dictum.
That’s not a controversial statement. Yet somehow you decided to use it to spin into an attack of the R party members, Legal Insurrection as a website, its authorship and the commenters who are not willing to simply hand DJT the r presidential nomination.
Dude, chill. This is a political commentary site. People are allowed to express opinions, and, President Trump is not now, nor has he ever been, above or beyond criticism. No politician is or should be. Nobody puts words in my mouth and what I write about Trump has bupkis to do with the Dumb-0-crat media shills’ perennial anti-Trump propaganda.
Phil, again, you are the MAN, speaking truth to those who refuse to look at the facts.
They want a “nicer” Trump, what they will get is a RiNO doing the money handlers bidding
And you can bank on that!
It will take a Lion to tear apart the jackets, Trump
Is the ONLY man that can do that.
If we don’t have Presidents Trump in 2024, we will lose it all, forever…
Nah that’s not gonna happen. No one should expect that, we should want a combative leader capable of taking a punch and then hitting back harder. What is expected is to keep the party united until the midterms are complete.
Once the primary candidates declare themselves then by all means go to it. Throw all the elbows, use a steel chair, use a sucker punch I don’t care. Do whatever you gotta do to prove you can win.
I have no problems with a rough and tumble primary campaign where everyone and everything is fair game. Let the Darwinian struggle begin where we can find out who the best candidate really is….but not till the midterms are completed. All the prospective candidates should put a sock in it until then and use their firepower for the real opponents the d/prog.
What’s not going to
That any political candidate is gonna be ‘nice’. Political competition is not about nice. No indeed, not about nice at all.
Its about doing what it takes to be sworn in at the end of the campaign, anything less isn’t impressive no matter the cause.
I don’t “want” a nicer Trump.
But I recognize that Trump’s big mouth made him unelectable.
Even with my vote… because he didn’t get enough others.
Moving on respectfully is often perfectly appropriate.
It’s possible to honor an Anasazi dwelling while simultaneously realizing that it will never again be home to anybody.
“Move on with peril for you, your family, this country, what’s left of it
Trump Is our Patton, like Grant, he fights, and we can not win without him as President
It really is a simple as that
It’s not too much to ask to have someone that can win more than one election and actually staff a cabinet with more than yes men and revolving doors
Not even yes men — people who were saying yes and lying to him.
The potential field for 2024 is really only 2 people. Both have unshakeable followers. Back in 2016, the only other possible contender was Cruz who burned himself down. Rubio was a wishful lightweight. After being so disappointed in ho-hum candidates, Trump was that fighter that the party needed… but which was not wanted by the landed gentry.
Now comes another major Republican, through the accepted channels of politics that has made a major impression and successfully steered Florida to prominence. It should be interesting to see how the grand poo-bahs of the GOPe really.. really react. The test will be in the national area for DeSantis. If I were Trump, I’d let DeSantis go untouched and see how he fares. His will be a delicate balancing act.
Why shouldn’t they run? Trump doesn’t get to dictate what others do. It’s not a coronation.
Bullshit. They don’t have to bend their knee to that lout. I’m sick and tired of Trump’s huge mouth and even bigger ego. He’s once again acting like a petulant child.
President Trump is doing his best to hand the 2024 GOP nomination to Governor DeSantis without DeSantis even breaking a sweat.
If President Trump keeps up this kind of insecure, juvenile, petulant, undisciplined, intemperate and tactically foolish invective, he will single-handedly — albeit, unintentionally — gift the GOP nomination to DeSantis. All while underscoring precisely why DeSantis is a superior nominee.
Amen. You’ve said it better than I. May it be so!
Trump isn’t nice and he doesn’t play nice. Without someone to vent his style of competition against he turns inward. To quote one of my favorite movies “Now you might not believe it, but under fire Animal Muther is one of the finest human beings in the world.” and to follow up “All he needs is for someone to throw hand grenades at him for the rest of his life.”
Flat out truth DeSantis isn’t ready. Trump or no Trump this is the truth. Does he have possibility … hell ya. I want to see him “age” a bit.
I am still old enough to remember Paul Ryan. We really don’t need another Republican like this.
But DeSantis is bought unfortunately
I watch how he governs, not who buys him.
Please show the receipts or STFU with this stupid shit you spout incessantly.
“Flat out truth DeSantis isn’t ready. ”
Based on what? We elect governors all the time. Reagan was a governor. DeSantis has spent four years showing skill, leadership, and competence. Trump had never held office before… was he “not ready?”
This is beyond “playing nice.” Trump outright threatened to revel information on a rival if he faces competition for the nomination. That’s the dictionary definition of BLACKMAIL. He’s already lost my vote with his behavior.
It isn’t that he is governer it is how long he is has been. It would be really helpful for DeSantis to spend another four years in the governers mansion. Work out his skills, so that he can move to the next level. We don’t start your 6 years out in college for a reason.
I think Kari Lake is a rising star too. Definitely potential for president. If she wins I don’t think it would be good for anyone to have her be president in 2 years. She like DeSantis, simply not ready.
Compare and contrast this with the Dem bench. They have nothing. Absolutely nothing. Look what happened with Obama. He didn’t have the experience or the will to be able to even implement his anti-war retorique. He was simply put, too green, or maybe too corrupt and a light hadn’t been shown on him. Time and fire would have shown this.
I really think DeSantis needs time to evolve. The good news is that he has a target and if he is anything of anything he will start the building (learning) process now.
So because you value more political experience you supported Biden in 2020?
Seriously this is your argument?
I loathed how Abbot handled Covid. I emailed him not very nice words. I promised in that email I would vote against him in the primary. I kept my promise.
When my primary choice didn’t beat Abbot, I voted for Abbot.
I am pragmatic, not irrational. Irrational people say hysterical things based on how they feel not on the context of the problem presented to them.
No it’s your argument ‘ it would be helpful for DeSantis to spend another four years in the Gov mansion…’.
It handling Covid is your thing, then why would you prefer the politician who empowered the Fauchi Fascists and Branch Covidians?
DeSantis told them to pound sand. He opened Florida up while another politician was condemning Sweden for refusing to lock down. Same day actually as DeSantis declared FL wouldn’t bend the knee to Fauchi and declared Florida free and open.
He took lots of fire from all directions. Stood firm in the face of a relentless media and establishment onslaught. Despite the pressure he didn’t buckle and easily won re-election in a landslide. The other guy, not so much.
Hes telling the truth, maybe timing not so great with the storm, but dang, when the people you helped after they begged you stab you in the back as much as he, I cut him the slack
Hm… Is it possible that Trump is doing that *intentionally* to troll the NeverTrumpers? In two years, the main Leftie attack on DeSantis is that he’s a Trump clone, everything Trump was and worse, holding all of the Evil Trump ideas and should be hated as much as Trump (if possible). A little bit of distance between them would give DeSantis room to maneuver, and if the Dems are putting all their energy into defeating a candidate who isn’t running…
No, this is just Trump being Trump. He’s not a chess master. He’s the guy who flips the board and punches his opponent in the mouth. That’s fine when the opponent is a Democrat… but he can’t seem to turn that behavior off.
At least he isn’t Obama, whom shits on the chessboard after knocking over the pawns.
I’m not so hopeful about what that means. Yes, it could cost him the nomination but he will prob take his cult following with him and run indy.
I am amazed at how much more important words have become over actions….
Asking why Trump put this statement out is not the question, asking why someone didn’t talk him out of it is the better question.
Trump’s statement itself is mostly junk. It’s full of slights that don’t add up to anything, and the ones that do touch on issues are either misleading or false.
It’s two days after the 2022 election, and there’s a run-off left to handle in Georgia. Bad move on Trump’s part. This isn’t a good look. It makes Trump appear weak and desperate.
Is Trump afraid of Ron DeSantis? DeSantis has not attacked Trump. The rumors that DeSantis met with Paul Ryan are false. Today the Florida governor is handling the latest hurricane to hit the state. He’s not taking shots at Trump.
What is Trump hoping to accomplish by preemptively starting a war with the most popular GOP figure on the right?
DeSantis won Florida by 20 points in a state that went to Trump by just three points two years prior.
Trump had his time. His time has passed. It’s time he leaves the stage.
You are only going by what the media is reporting, this time that includes the “conservative” media. Trump wasn’t taking shots at DeSantis either and yet DeSantis kept silent about that. He could have stepped up and put those lies to bed but he didn’t. All you remember is the lie, not DeSantis’ failure to step up and defend the man who has been his best ally. You are only hearing and seeing what your want to hear and see.
Trump will run and win the nomination despite all of this. But the Republican Party is dead if he doesn’t. DeSantis does NOT have and cannot steal Trump’s base of voters. We are not getting fooled again. If Trump is not the nominee, the GOP will be a train wreck. The final act in a party best known for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. What a joke. RIP GOP!
I can that most of what you wrote comes from the former Publix produce manager who goes by Sundance over at the tree house.
Look, I voted for Trump twice, went to his rallies, bought his hat and was a staunch supporter. The truth is that given the statements he made over the past couple of days, he is turning me off.
I am a Floridian and the hard part for us is we like Trump and DeSantis. But, let me be clear, if pressed by the Donald I would tell him I like DeSantis more.
So peope who work non white collar are “dumb” in your mind?
Elitism on show
DeSantis has been a good governor, he’s been allowed to be MAGA light
Follow the money, you will be disappointed
That’s not what that means. On the contrary, he shows some intelligence in crafting clickbait narratives for you and others to lap up like puppies. He’s good at it. But ask yourself what kind of political sources and contacts such a person would have to reference for this crap (that goes unverified elsewhere)?
I am going to point something out to you that maybe you missed. While I don’t agree with a lot of things said at CTH, I think you should consider that the traffic to CTH is much higher than LI as well as that the comment and discussion participation is almost a 10x magnitude higher than LI . I want to also point out that essentially LI is a group of people blogging. CTH is essentially a 1 person blog. I don’t see your blogs mentioned anywhere. So please ,,, before you knock someone else…. get off you high and mighty ass and start your own blog instead of just being a wanna be couch quarterback commenting on others blogs.
Thunderbird outsells Paul Masson. Volume isn’t everything.
What’s the word? Thunderbird!
And GG,,,, sadly a rock has more to do with this conversation than your analogy….
“Trump wasn’t taking shots at DeSantis either”
I’m confused. What is he doing, then? I’m just asking a question. This isn’t an attack on you, so don’t take it that way.
Also – whatever he’s doing is not uniting the party, as evident by the comments here, which cannot be unique to the commenters of this site only. If the entire establishment is out to get Trump, and I agree that it the goal, and they are making it seem like he’s being an ungrateful asshole, then why can’t Trump come up with a better strategy to make sure that that perception doesn’t form? If it continues and he is the nominee, he will not win in 2024.
You and I want a united front. But as you and I can both plainly see, that isn’t happening.
When Trump came out with Ron DeSanctimonious, I thought that was dumb. Then someone pointed out to me it was apparently because of an ad DeSantis ran that, honestly, was horrible. Him being created by God on the 8th day to save America. OK, so how many people know about that ad? I didn’t. And it was never mentioned anywhere in connection to Trump’s new nickname for DeSantis. If Trump wants to be president, he cannot let perception win. Right now, Trump is not beating perception. I know you don’t see it this way. But remember, not everyone sees the world like you. I try to keep this in mind myself and I struggle with it sometimes. How come no one sees it like me? Oh yeah, they ain’t me.
On a personal note, don’t let this stuff get to you this much. It’s not worth the spent emotion.
Those are not rumors and they certainly are not false! DeSantis has been flying around the country stuffing money in his back pockets amd he most certainly has met with Paul freaking Ryan amd co.
I agree. My support for Trump will depend on his ability to unite the party around Walker as for others to do so.
This is infuriating. Reagan said the 11th commandment is “Thou shalt not speak ill of thy fellow Republican.“
Trump’s goal should be to defeat Democrats and get a Republican in office. I voted for Trump twice. I’m not ashamed of that; I’m ashamed of him and his repulsive behavior. It’s counterproductive. It doesn’t make Ron DeSantis look bad; it makes Trump look petty, small, and ignominious.
What he says matters. It’s either for good or for bad. This was for bad. We don’t have just one choice. He needs to realize the torch eventually passes for everyone. Trump is so focused on revenge that he loses sight of the fact that the winning candidate needs to not piss off his own party, I am absolutely disgusted.
“This is infuriating. Reagan said the 11th commandment is “Thou shalt not speak ill of thy fellow Republican.“”
Then that should disqualify about half of the sitting members of congress, I can name 50 that actively tried to thwart Trumps administration.
It only goes one way, I think. Trump can’t say stuff, but everybody can say stuff about him.
Trump talks shit about everyone in the end … everyone. Anyone who falls for his praise in the beginning will end up on the front page with their reputation ruined.
I think he deserves every bit of hate people can muster because he’s earned it.
Name 50 that gave him a derogatory nickname and bashed him. Heck, name ONE that isn’t already a completely disgraced loser (i.e. not the Liz Cheney types who just want constant war and to pretend that it’s still the ’90’s and progressive “compassionate conservativism” still sells).
Here is 4 last names, Romney, McConnel, McCain Bush. Need I go on
To get to four sitting members of Congress you will need to do so as neither Bush nor McCain are sitting members of Congress…. and you did state that you could deliver 50 total names……
Here are a few more that were active in congress or in government in some capacity and actively tried to thwart President Trumps administration. Most openly endorsed Biden for President.
William Clinger Jr.
George W. Bush
George H. Bush
William F. Weld
William H. McRaven
Hundreds of former staff members for John McCain: Over 100 former staff members for Senator John McCain endorsed Mr. Biden in a letter. Most of them are still Republicans. Mark Salter, Mr. McCain’s longtime chief aide and speechwriter, helped organize the letter.
Former Mitt Romney alumni: A group known as Romney for Biden issued a statement endorsing Mr. Biden during the Republican National Convention. The group represents nearly every sector of Mr. Romney’s 2012 presidential campaign.
Out of your list one is not a sitting member of congress, one is deceased, and one (McConnel) was a very loyal warrior for Trump’s agenda while he was president.
You successfully achieved a grand total of one which is frankly pathetic when going over your promise of 50.
On that long list, how many of these people still exert influence in the Republican party?
Mittens, no doubt. Lisa Murkowski.
Chuck Hagel is one of several on the list who left the Republican Party years ago.
Have even Willard Romney and Lisa Murkowski come up with personal derogatory names for Donald Trump?
Christi the fat guy
Lots of dead people and gas-beens, one or two never-weres.
Try currently serving.
1. He was a warrior for getting the Trump agenda through while Trump was president. The lie that McConnell somehow backstabbed Trump really needs to die. Reality has a way of reasserting itself and I will not pay lip service to myths especially ones that are harmful to our side.
2. You mean the former president who was not in office, and is not relevant to anyone? Find one member of Gen Z who gives a dam about Bush.
3. You found one person who really hates Trump that much is true.
4. Irrelevant has been
5. Why don’t you add King George III if you are including the dead?
6. I’m not wasting time reading the rest of your list you followed a dead guy by someone who left the GOP over a decade ago.
Here is another one for you. Look up Sea Island Summit, Every single person that attended actively worked to keep MAGA down and keep the political power in DC
Most of these people are ones that worked hard to kill the Tea Party movement.
Crow taste good?
You realize both of those lists proved her point right?
Trump is right about official closures, selective enforcement, medical mandates, and sunshine. Some of it can be explained by taking a knee to subject matters experts. Some of it can be explained in context. Some more should be justified to mitigate its progress and recurrence.
“”In other news, Ron DeSantis hasn’t said anything about Donald Trump.””
Well, there you have it. Ron is making such a nasty, mean, sneaky attack on Trump, that he can’t even mention it out loud. He’s definitely trying to split the party.
OMG, this made me laugh. Literally, out loud. Bwahaha!
Why do the powers that be go after Trump unlike anyone before or since?
Trump has been more transparent than anyone in politics. He tells it like it is, in his own style, and has been proven correct more often than the other way around.
Not to mention, his policies were quite effective, on multiple fronts, domestic and foreign.
It would be interesting to see what he could accomplish now that he knows more about how things work in DC.
Of course, it’s impossible to predict. Let’s hope the movement to repudiate woke continues to grow, despite the dumb young voters. It may not matter otherwise.
Why do the powers that be go after Trump unlike anyone before or since?
You mean, in addition to the fact that Donald Trump is a sometimes jerk who has no ability to turn the other cheek, so when attacked by a Facebook rabid mob who can’t back down, it escalates forever?
It’s a class thing. Really.
Not a rich / poor class thing; a blue collar / white collar class thing. Trump may not have ever worked with his hands himself, but he has mostly blue collar class markings anyway.
Donald Trump is rich and grew up rich, and while he’s lost businesses he’s pretty much always been rich. HOWEVER, he doesn’t have the class markings of upper class; he has the class markings of working class. For example, his tastes are lower middle class (two scoops of ice cream, steak well done, etc.) and he’s not ashamed of that. He has little respect for education or other clerisy certificates of theory; he respects accomplishment and work history. When he wants to find out what’s going on somewhere, he’s more interested in hearing from the people doing the work than the people with the records. Etc.
In addition to that, there’s the sense that he robbed Hillary of her turn. Hence accusations of Russian cheating with or without (usually with) Trump’s knowledge or collaboration — no one thinks Donald Trump was in a position to cheat himself.
“…Donald Trump is a sometimes jerk who has no ability to turn the other cheek…”
You say this as if it were a bad thing to have in someone I want to fight on my behalf.
Some people want to lose gracefully rather than try to win. They want to catch the ball, but they aren’t willing to commit to the dive.
Laugh OMG, Literally, out loud. Bwahaha!
For some strange reason I can only reply and not make a comment…and I say this: y’all are missing the point. Trump is saying this and will continue saying such for a reason…let the left attack him non-stop while DeSantis evades criticism. Trump is Emmanuel Goldstein to the left.
“”For some strange reason I can only reply and not make a comment””
A peculiarity of this website. It happens to me when I’ve hit the “reply” but don’t in fact submit a comment, but move on down the page instead. Back out to the website homepage and then start again. That works for me.
He has always had the back
Of the working man and
Woman and he may have been”Rich”but it was a few million , not the billions he made himself!
I Remember seeing
Pictures of his apartment with his first wife and it was so
Middle class I could t believe it. Yea, he ended up with golden commodes, but he didn’t start there.
I want one who can govern.
It sounds like you want one who knows which fork is for the pâté; can pick out the exact field the grapes were grown for his $6,000 / bottle wine, and likes overpriced fish eggs.
Sorry. Adlai Stevenson is dead.
Alas, the Most Interesting Man In The World is not a native-born U.S. citizen, and so we’ll have to settle for someone who can govern, communicate around the layers of fact-checkers and editors, and take hedge clippers to the overgrown monstrosity our federal government has become.
He can’t be controlled by the Uniparty clowns in DC. Simple as that.
Amen.. follow the money
But he’s apparently controlled by his daughter and son-in-law.
Biden is controlled by his son and whatever CCP skank he is boning.
Has anyone given the slightest thought to the possibility that Trump might not run, even if he announces? Or that DeSantis might make a good running mate?
Sort of a problem having running mates from the same State. I don’t think they can do that, so one would have to move.
Yeah, it’s actually right in the constitution, 12th Amendment.
Actually, you can do it, but if you do it, you disenfranchise all that state’e electors, so nobody does it.
Trump definitely has other residences he could declare from.
Remember Bush-Cheney dealt with this issue years ago, and the federal courts allowed Cheney to change his residence back to Wyoming from Texas.
The primary debates are going to be must see TV. Thunderdome!
Trump is the coach whose team list all of its games He should be considered as a great candidate in 2016 a great president but someone who alienated independent voters and whose presence hurt Republican candidates and conservatives in 2018 2020 and 2022
Ahh he has gotten more independents, black, Latino and MORE legal votes than any President EVER
I wonder how many millions were actually stolen by the machines, I really think he had 85 million not 76
Biden’s are BS
Though Trump lives in Florida I haven’t heard even one peep that he’s tried to help anyone due to Ian.
Trump is pure sleaze and ego … and despicable in every single way that’s meaningful There’s nothing redeemable about this guy and everyone he backs is no different than he is.
I’m tired of loosing because of this fool.
If the Republican’s think they’re such hot shit to the salvation of America … they better get their head out of their ass …. run like hell away from Trump … and relegate him to no more than a footnote in history. Until they do … my money say’s the Republican party is doomed to fail and likely America with it.
Very well put. It is just exhausting to listen to all the attacking of others done by both Trump (DeSantis) and Biden (Musk). In business such a CEO would be fired. IMO the country needs 2024 to be a race between the best of the next generation. candidates.
Since when are the candidates ever the best choices? I’ve never seen such a thing.
That was supposed to be to “guyjones” earlier post.
Now is not the time.
This is not the way.
My gut tells me Ron DeSantis will be the Russell Wilson of nominees.
Thumbed down … must be a Broncos fan …
BTW, for perspective, Denver gave Wilson a contract valued at $242,588,236. He must be running for president. DeSantis got $200,00,000? Can he even throw a football?
Because he is short?
“ In other news, Ron DeSantis hasn’t said anything about Donald Trump.”
He doesn’t need to.
Yes he probably should thank
President Trump for dragging his losing butt over the finish line 2018
But that would take class, which he is lacking apparently, and humility.
See my Asian quote
Follow the money. Bro
Or maybe it’s not true.
For your information, Mark Bradman, is the pseudonymous Sundance and the proprietor of the Conservative Treehouse site (he spells it Tree House).
As a reader, I find him incredibly frustrating. He is a poor and clumsy writer. The basics of exposition seem to have escaped him. He is verbose. Clarity is a casualty of his style.
Occasional translation of his prose is required (“This timeline is so transparent it’s deafening”). One needs constantly to be wary of gaps between assertion and evidence in his commentary. I do not take what he says at face value.
You got all of that, often repeated, from four words. Gads, you’re good.
2018 was a Blue Wave year because it was a referendum on Trump. DeSantis overcame a terrible environment for Republicans because he is a great candidate. Ron DeSantis actually did thank Trump for his primary endorsement, and he worked hard to help Trump win in Florida in 2020.
Stop mythologizing Trump, he lost every election besides 2016 which he won because Hillary Clinton didn’t think MI, PA or WI counted as swing states (and as a result did not go campaign there or invest in those states).
By the way he barely won those three states and in one of them Mitt Romney 2012 actually got more votes than him.
He is a very weak candidate who went up against an even worst candidate.
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DeSantis world is claiming Trump Republicans need to be purged, but they act like victims if anyone calls ’em out.
“You know, Ron DeSantis goes out and gives his big speech and then they want to make it look like the Trump Republicans don’t have a chance.”
The absolutely last thing we need is Trump attacking another Republican who is unifying an area of the country far better than he could. Trump showed Republicans how to fight back. DeSantis is doing it better than Trump and without the caustic personality. Remember the Trump meltdown in the debate against Biden? I was yelling at the tv, just shut up and let the question be asked.
Trump needs to focus on attacking Biden and the Democrats. There’s too much at stake to have Trump lose to Biden again. Age is a factor and DeSantis can serve 2 terms unlike Trump. We need a good 8 years consecutively if we can get it.
I voted for Trump twice as the nominee but I won’t in this primary. DeSantis in 2024.
Unifying the country batter than President Trump, you jest or just drinking too much.
Maybe you missed the millions of boat parades, car parades, rally’s, the increase in black, hispanic , Asian voters to the Republican Party
The most votes EVER I. A
Presidential election. And please don’t tell
Biden got 81
Million votes, never happened.
Because of President Trump
And his America First policies
Your claim is exactly what caused the public to turn on us and deliver a rebuke to Trump instead of judging Biden.
Follow the money
DeSantis is owned by the GOPe
His largest donor Ken Griffin flat out stated the following “He wants to improve the diversity of the GOP and blunt the vein of populism that has complicated the party’s relationship with the corporate world”
Read that he wants to do to the MAGA voters the same thing McConnell did to the Tea Party and force the republican base back into alignment with Wall Street, multinational corporate interests and the WEF.
They have none. As long as they put that little “e” after “GOP” they’ve marked their turf as a true, pure conservative. Then they stay home and not vote and contribute to another Democratic Party win. Then they get back on the comments section.
It appears to be a partial quote from an article in Forbes (or Politico) taken out of context.
Honest question. If Trump lost the Republican presidential primary to DeSantis does anyone believe he wouldn’t run in the general? He’s psychologically incapable of accepting defeat and would rather run as a 3rd party candidate / write-in than let DeSantis win. In essence, burning down the Republican Party and handing the presidency to the democrats once again, while blaming DeSantis for the loss. Everything in his background points to that scenario.
He wouldn’t be able to run as a 3rd party candidate. There would be no time to get on the ballots in the various states.
Wouldn’t matter. His hard-core supporters would write in his name. If the intent is to prevent DeSantis from becoming President, that would be just as effective.
I want Trump in 2024. I want DeSantis in 2028 and 2032.
It’s a shame that it looks like it won’t happen.
I’ll say this to DeSantis (or any of his people that read this site): If you do plan on running in 2024 you’re not going to win unless you get Trump on your side. There are more than enough Trump supporters who will split away from voting for you if they feel that you and the GOP have stabbed Trump in the back. People are sick of the GOP leadership and if they think you have that taint on you you’re going to have a very difficult time in the general election.
You may hate Trump but you need him because you also need his supporters. Cross him at your own peril.
That works both ways.
Trump in 2024 means a Dem in 2028.
The American People in their extreme wisdom basically always flip the Presidency from one party to the other. Ronald Reagan was exceptional enough to change that, once. (And even then, only with a helpful assist from Dukakis.)
The possibility of two terms of DeSantis is a plus-factor over Trump. Because the task of hacking back the federal bureaucracy is not going to get done in four years.
Yes, we need Trump supporters to not stay home. So DeSantis needs to contest the primary with a balanced combination of acknowledging Trump’s accomplishments and looking towards the challenges the next President will face. (And being ready to support Trump all the way if Trump is the nominee.)
But just like “They” aren’t out to get Trump, he’s just standing in the way… the conservative movement Trump tapped into isn’t a cult of personality, despite what the MSM wants you to believe. He is just out in front expressing the feeling of those who the self-appointed elites have been crapping on from a high altitude for years.
Yep. And then they’ll all be gnashing their teeth wondering why another Democrat wins. But hey, they’ll have their principals and continue to be part of that exclusive club that puts a little “e” after “GOP” in all the best comments sections.
Then you are a Democrat congratulations.
Any conservative who has Trump Fatigue Syndrome should really look themselves in the mirror and ask if they’ve been had by the MSM. The ennui, the distaste for Trump is a media created effect. Like it or not people are influenced subconsciously without their consent. Many need to wake up the reality of what’s happening. Trump can be crude and he can be crass, but that’s merely amplified by the media. He’s literally the only proven commodity for a politician who’s fighting for the people. Yet many can’t seem to understand nor endure the ridicule of being associated with Trump.
While I haven’t completely written off DeSantis, it remains to be seen how he’ll be treated. If he doesn’t get the Trump treatment when he decides to run then that’s one should be suspicious that he’s a globalist shill. Then the only thing for us to pray for is that he’s playing a role of a double agent.
At the end of the day it’s about action and not words.
LI has become the Dixie Chicks circa 2004
Considering the “hinky” comment-tinkering (I’m no fool) and desire to consume propaganda I say this:
Legal Insurrection reminds me of the Dixie Chicks circa 2004.
Welcome to Drudge Report!
This has to stop, they are on the same side
I voted for Trump twice and got quite a kick out of how he immediately went on the offensive against the press and Dems not taking anything lying down like previous Republicans. He also was a very good President policy wise. Now, however, I wish he would just shut the hell up. He may be the only Republican that can lose to the Dem nominee in 2024 and I hope he will not run. I won’t vote for him.
If experts can get rid of Trump, they can reclaim their expertise. Trump’s always saying that expertise is ridiculous posturing, hence the names.
FL ignored the ‘experts’ re Rona and opened back up while National figures were allowing Fauchi Fascists to run amok. Also ignored the chattering class re Trans ideology and Parental rights.
All of those things brought intense media scrutiny and the condemnation of the chattering class and the establishment. FL held firm and told all of them to pound sand.
Which in the case of Fauchi Fascists and the Branch Covidians is a stark contrast to a certain political figure who, for whatever reason, chose to enable them.
In my world it’s Globalists (WEF) vs Patriots. So until I know for sure I’m rooting for Patriots. Nikki Haley ended up on the Globalist team. Others are positioning themselves as Patriots but will switch to Globalists over time. For the record, McConnell is pure Globalist along with Romney’s, Bush’s, Clinton’s, Obama’s, SC (Tim and Lindsey). Cruz could be transitioning. The list is long.
LI is siding with and enabling the Uniparty BS. We can’t just “move on” with key battles we are poised to win just abandoned. DeSantis CANNOT win and the MAGA crowd is already stepping up in protest of the squishy Uniparty cowards who are attempting to seize defeat from the jaws of victory. Cotton has already stepped up. Gaetz and Stefanik stepped up yesterday. There is a lot of new blood occupying seats in Congress who were put there by Trump’s endorsements and manic campaigning. The narrative lying is outpacing their ability to put a stop to it.
So if the Uniparty DeSantis crowd really wants to have a war, let it start right now and get it over with. Let’s have Trump announce on the 15th. Of course, DeSantis can avoid the bloodbath if he simply honors his pledge to not challenge Trump and thanks him for making yesterday possible for him. He would also be honoring all of those new FL transplants who are there because of MAGA. Otherwise, DeSantis will be exposed for what he is before he even gets started.
Start with explaining to us what was promised to whom in securing that $250 million war chest. Did he have to come begging to the usual CA billionaires promising his services if they help him beat Trump? It’s that simple. Explain that to us. Exchanging a sure bet to win in 2028 after Trump for what?
There was a Red Wave last Tuesday. The problem is that most of the “conservative” establishment is pushing the Uniparty narrative. Yes, we really be that stupid.
If DJT was a ‘sure bet’ …wouldn’t he have been inaugurated instead of Biden?
Maybe it is time to figure out how JB was elected.. I mean for real.. not just wild accusations..
Wouldn’t you like to know? I sure would.
A sure bet means guaranteed which in 2020 turned out to be not so guaranteed nor a sure bet.
Wow! You are really on a rampage. You’ve laid out your anti-DeSantis disdain and pro Trump bias in length. You said, “DeSantis cannot win.”
How are you so sure that Trump can win?
If you are insisting there was a red wave you have departed reality. Trump cost us a red wave. It isn’t just the senate.
To take an advantage Trump successfully primaried Republican congressmen in Michigan and Washington. The result was Democrats winning the districts in question. Those are only two examples there are many more examples of Trump throwing away seats we should still have.
This was 100% the Trump granted red trickle (if you could even call it trickle). I am glad Republicans ran ahead of Trump in 2020 resulting in us likely getting congress but I am sick and tired of losing.
I don’t owe anything to Trump and I sure as hell don’t owe making America a one party Democrat Party state to him.
You mean Donald Trump sank Peter Meijer (MI-03)? Meijer deserved to lose the primary.
I don’t see any condemnation of Trump for endorsing primary opponents to Tom Rice, Liz Cheney, et al.
Yes I am being selective because competitive races are not the same as a race in Wyoming where the primary and the election are practically the same thing.
We have hindsight, Meijer did not deserve to lose the primary because that meant losing the general election.
Meijer should be returning to congress; instead we get a Democrat and assuming we win the house at all will have practically no margin of error.
Trump is not a principle he is a man. I am willing to lose elections in defense of major principles.
I am not willing to lose the election as a tribute to one mans ego.
Money must not be coming in, hence the yellow journalism.
Maga is not the Republican Party.. that is the gist of it. And if Trump runs and splits the party, then I hope it crashes and burns.. and another party rises out of the ashes. (me and my magical thinking) We are in clown world now.. we will be for another couple years.. it has become a way of life.
The elites are not representing the people.. the election system is broken in many states.. and the working class is pissed.
I don’t live in Florida,, but I get it,, he is super popular there.. but I see RD as part of the machine. I don’t want same old same old…
As I noted, sentiment here is definitely split.. Reminds me of the days of Ragspierre and Voting Female..
The Republican Party crashing would mean one party Democrat rule for at least a generation if not much longer.
Maybe. Maybe not. Both major parties have three basic groups. An establishment wing, a populist wing and a smaller but very intense wing of zealots.
Lots of independents out there. As long as it’s done correctly a political realignment that split both major parties and left then factions out there for grabs would be ok. At the National level anyway.
The zealots on the left, and the populists are fully aligned with their establishment.
Maybe Chuck Schumer and Joe Biden don’t really believe in transgender ideology but are definitely pushing it. I was just using transgender ideology as one example they are pushing every priority of the zealots/populist left.
A politician is ultimately a tool. Chuck Schumer is a very effective politician/tool. They aren’t going to throw their tools away just because we are.
Populists and zealots in both parties use similar rhetoric; they are seeking unrelated things that won’t allow them to work together.
Every election both here and Europe that featured a right wing populist counting on some support from leftwing populists saw the right wing populist lose badly because they just didn’t get any leftwing populists aboard. The best explanation for that is because there just isn’t any overlap between the two groups.
Adios, Trump. It was fun while it lasted.
I saw this a minute ago.. I am kinda bothered.. the Lincoln project wading in…psych ops?? .
Okay, all you people making these claims about Ron DeSantis being a secret, diabolical globalist, present your evidence. I mean HARD evidence, not conspiracy theories, mindless Trump worship or wild speculation. Black and white PROOF.
I voted for Trump twice, but his insecurity and bitterness have changed him for the worse. Someone, anyone, who gives a flying sht about him needs to sit him how and knock some sense into him. He’s not hurting DeSantis, he’s hurting himself. That appalling attempt at blackmailing DeSantis into not running was shocking. I’m ashamed of him and embarrassed for him.
As for DeSantis, I love the man. I don’t believe for one second he’s a secret, diabolical globalist. But I also don’t want him to run in 2024. We need warrior governors like him at the state level, because that’s where the real war is being fought. I don’t know if he’s going to run in 2024. No one does except him and he hasn’t said anything to indicate it.
You people insisting on making this an internecine war are hurting us and make me wonder either about your sanity or about your true politics, because the Left couldn’t have found a better way to split us into opposing camps and make us weaker than this. YOU NEED TO STOP.
And why is there no way to edit? No matter how many times I check before posting, I almost always miss something.
Yep, Or you end up like my state PA with an actual brain-damaged shit head for a US Senator because the GOP couldn’t pull off any easy hold, having been saddled with a d-list TV celebrity nominee. Pat Toomey was a decent, intelligent, capable Republican senator. David McCormick was a West Point and Princeton educated former CEO and military officer who would’ve have clobbered that imbecile Fetterman. But no, The Donald shoved “Dr. Oz” onto the center stage and his acolytes fell in line and obeyed his decree. Well done, “MAGA.” Enough. He’s done. His loudest supporters here have been reduced to yelling capitalized “FUCK YOU!!!” at people with different opinions while called DeSantis all the usual insults right from their Savior’s book. Give it up. The Donald is done.
I happily supported Trump in 2016/20. He did some really good things while in office, but he will NEVER be POTUS again. Too toxic and probably too old. The slickster, Gruesome Newsome, would destroy him in 2024. That said: As a mostly lurker, I really enjoy the back & forth here at LI, especially the comments from Pro-Trumpers!
We now have to run a 10 against a 1 to win?[ would think a 6 against a 1 would be sufficient.
I prefer calling the scourge from California “Newsolini,” but, your points are well-taken. 🙂
If Trump was goal-oriented (to save America) and not strictly Trump-oriented (to push conservative challengers aside), he would have handled this as a man and not aa child.
What’s wrong with Trump saying his support of DeSantis got him elected and that he expects support and loyalty in return, not vague political speack? Why is it bad for Trump to be so direct, but ok for his opponents to act passive aggressive. Why is it so terrible to speak directly? Personally, I much prefer people who express themselves directly than those who stab people in the back and bring their enemies down indirectly. There are a lot of passive aggressive Republicans these days.
Trump supported DeSantis in 2018. DeSantis repaid that by supporting DJT in 2020. Political endorsements are transactional. The debt has already been paid off.
What you seem to be arguing is that an endorsement buys an unending marker which can never be repaid, so that everyone who receives an endorsement is forever bound to do the bidding of the endorser. That’s not how it works.
Exactly. As novelist Mario Puzo wrote in “The Godfather,” “It’s business, nothing personal.
Selecting the 2024 GOP nominee is about who has the best chance of winning the White House in 2024. Simple math/statistics –however unfortunate they may be — tell us that a GOP presidential candidate cannot win the contest without drawing significant support from independent and Dumb-o-crat voters.
I think Governor DeSantis possesses broader appeal than President Trump and that’s why I’m supporting him as 2024 GOP nominee for president.
This is business, nothing personal.
George Washington left after two terms setting a precedent. He could have been President for life. I only voted for him the second time. I feared all the Dems needed to do was flatter him, and he’d govern as a Democrat. He gained support first from the diehards, then those that held their nose the second time and voted for him in the first election, then those of us that came along the second. He’s losing support in the opposite direction.
I don’t know if Trump was TRULY the loser in 2020, but he is certainly acting like a total loser now.
This sort of childish, unprovoked attack should make it painfully clear that it is time to move on from Donald Trump.
Who cares anymore. I don’t. The political institutions in this clown world of a country are nothing more than a dumpster fire that has been raging for decades. Nothing is going to change. The political class and their handlers don’t give a damn about anyone or anything other than power. I’m tired of getting crap on me from the poo flinging arguments/attacks/back stabbings that these “politicians” get into. It’s just like Roman times all over again and for the same reasons. I have no clue anymore what being an American means because of this clown show. The fundamental tenants of this country have been stuffed into a box and tossed into the attic to be ignored and what you see today is a direct result of that. Good luck ever getting “America” back.
Trump is going to be Trump. DeSantis ought to know that and realize what the Dem/GOPe plan is.
DeSantis will be used by the Dems and the GOPe anti-Trump crowd to get Trump. He should be very wary of that. They will both attack him as soon as Trump is out of it if it comes to that.
IMHO, DeSantis should stay out of it and let Trump do what he will do. And I think he may be smart enough to do that.
If Trump cannot get enough support with DeSantis on the sidelines he can always enter the race later.
And if Trump triumphs and has enough support to get the nomination a Trump-DeSantis ticket would likely be unbeatable after two more years of woke BS and Brandon’s stumbling bumbling muttering incompetence.
Meanwhile, those most responsible for the GOP’s lackluster showing in the midterms need to go. That would be McConnell and McCarthy. Especially back stabbing McConnell. Who spent $9 million on the Alaska RINO running against the Alaska GOP nominee. While spending almost nothing on Masters. That is a classic GOPe betrayal of his own party.
Lying discredits you
Unlike Trump who spent nothing McConnell spent very lavishly on Blake Masters.
Trump successfully made this his election and he lost it badly.
The republican nominee in Alaska was Nick Begich, who declared in the Fall of 2021. Self-aggrandizing carpet-bagger Palin only showed up at the literal last minute, filing barely a day before the deadline, after Young had passed.
She is an opportunistic clown, and she split what would have been a walk-away win by splitting off the Trump base (due to Trump’s lack of understanding of Alaska politics in endorsing her).
Alaska is not really a “Red” state, it is a mostly conservative state full of independents. Palin burned her bridges here with bad policies as Governor, then abandoning that job to try to climb to the next rung on the ladder of political fame. People are not uncertain about her, they either lover her, a minority of voters, or hate her, the majority of voters.
No one hated Begich, so abset her sticking her nose into the race enough of the non-Dems would have gone Begich on the first ballot to put him over the top.
Palin was also so ignorant of how RCV works that she was buddying up to Peltola, thinking she could get Peltola’s second votes during the initial count. She only ever attacked Begich, and refused to push “Rank the Red” to ensure that her voters would give Begich their second vote to maybe save the seat on a second round.
I guess Trump is spreading the “wealth”; he has new targets.
I am all for having Trump step aside. Not because of him, but to finally clear the air about the true performance of the GOP. Toss the dice. If the party candidate is DeSantis and he wins… great. If he loses it won’t make much difference thereafter. Reap..sow.
If whether or not a candidate can be run through the tape and be inaugurated is your standard then I would point out that Biden was inaugurated in Jan of ’21 not the r nominee.
I am wondering if Trump is genuinely delusional at this point.
Okay, so, all the rabid President Trump fans who can’t stomach a scintilla of criticism that is leveled at the guy, please attempt to defend Trump’s latest, utterly insane and disqualifying remarks about Governor Youngkin, making an utterly infantile and bigoted quip about his last name “sounding Chinese.”
Let’s hear it — defend this crazy rhetoric and these self-destructive antics and convince us that this type of insanely antagonistic, bigoted language is how the GOP will win the votes necessary to retake the White House in 2024.
I’m waiting to hear your insights. President Trump has gone off the deep end, and, any conservative who believes that he offers the best chance of winning over independent voters and Dumb-o-crats in 2024 is as crazy as he is.
Guy: a thought. Will any future GOP candidates tell him, specifically, to stay away?
I would like to think that SOME candidate is willing to tell His Royal Majesty that he or she will run on their own merits.
I don’t think anyone will tell President Trump to sit out. Nor should they — he has every right to run. But, from a purely tactical standpoint, I would submit that the less interaction/engagement that any GOP candidate has with President Trump, at this point, the better. His outbursts are best ignored. As someone else pointed out on this thread, the nomination process isn’t a coronation, so, it’s entirely appropriate that conservatives hash this out and figure out who is the best candidate to head the GOP ticket in 2024.
Trump’s pugnacious/tenacious attitude and jocular irreverence were assets in certain battles, but, they have now become glaring liabilities that are too big to overlook.
I meant telling Trump NOT to endorse them. As in: Trump now showing signs his endorsement could be the kiss of death.
Oh. Well, that’s tricky. It would be bold to pre-emptively reject his endorsement, but, that runs the risk of turning off a large portion of the GOP base. Probably too risky, tactically. Why take the chance? The candidate should simply make the case that he is best-suited to carry the MAGA banner forward in a much more politically potent and tactically shrewd manner, than President Trump.
Guy: I see your point. Thank you.
I am a Trump supporter because I saw what his policies did in my community. Brought back some very good pay jobs for many people. I don’t like some of Trumps “catch phases” when he talks about republicans as well as democrats But!! this is politics, and it is nasty. Look at the GA race for instance. As long as Trump can turn out the numbers he does–but maybe he needs to have an approach when he talks to his supporter. Ask every one of them why they didn’t vote for MAAGA candidates and then remember that the establishment still hates him more than any other thing. We are going to have to face the time we are living in. Be willing to go to jail for using your voice! GOYA Foods CEO said that even his family was made because he supported Trump and was the right decision since they doubled their sales thanks to AOC and her using her voice. Trump does not say one word that we don’t use in our own circles–so IMO he just talks without much thought and you can keep what you want and discard the rest. If we want to save this country it is up to each of us to do our part and that is something no matter what it is—all of us can use our talent in some way to save this nation. Do what you can Where you can all the time
I agree with a lot of what you write. The important thing, in my opinion, is for conservatives to understand that a pro-America, MAGA ideology is bigger than one person. President Trump did a lot of good things for the country and he absolutely deserves huge credit for those accomplishments, but, going forward, he is not — in my humble opinion — the most effective or tactically shrewd messenger to carry the MAGA banner.
This is why we have a nomination contest and every conservative has the right to express his/her opinion on the matter and to vote, accordingly.
“This is why we have a nomination contest and every conservative has the right to express his/her opinion on the matter and to vote, accordingly.”
I wish this was true. Unfortunately instead of using the super electors like the DemonCraps do we have open primaries so the Craps can vote for who they want to run against. Hence why we had McCain and Romney against Obama. Most of the Republican base that was going to actually vote in the election didn’t want either of those guys…but the Craps wanted weak sauce to go against…and if they happened to win it was not big deal because they were Crap lite. The only reason we got Trump to begin with is that the Craps thought they could beat him.
Just got a robo-call with Ed Rollins pitching Ron DeSantis to continue Trump’s work
Blah, blah, blah!
BE. PATIENT. Something is in the works we don’t know about.