Georgia Gov. Kemp Rips Biden, Abrams Over Voting Bill Lies, Will Not Bow To Corporate Pressure
“You now have a choice. You can bow down to this cancel culture, [but] I’ll give you a warning. If you do, it’s never enough. It will never be enough,” Gov. Kemp told the crowd after saying he felt the state didn’t need to apologize “one bit” for Georgia’s new voting law.
After the lies of President Joe Biden, failed 2018 Georgia Democratic gubernatorial nominee Stacey Abrams, and liberal activists on Georgia’s new voting law cost his state the Major League Baseball All-Star game, a fed up Gov. Brian Kemp held a press conference Saturday in which he ripped both Biden and Abrams as well as the MLB, and vowed not to bow down to cancel culture mobs including those in corporate America.
Before he took questions, Kemp gave a speech in which, among other things, he noted how MLB’s decision gave another troubling green light to liberal cancel culturalists who were coming for everyone, including other states, businesses, games, and other events in an effort to shut down and silence their opposition.
He also claimed MLB “put the wishes” of Biden and Abrams over the “economic well-being” of Georgians, made all the worse by the fact that they did so in the middle of a pandemic when people were counting on those paychecks. Kemp also said that if MLB really cared about laws restricting early voting then they would have announced they were moving their headquarters out of New York:
“They don’t care about jobs, they don’t care about our communities and they certainly don’t care about access to the ballot box because if they did MLB would’ve announced that they were moving their headquarters from New York yesterday. In New York, they have 10 days of early voting. In Georgia, we have a minimum of 17, with two additional Sundays that are optional for all counties in our state. In New York, you have to have an excuse to vote by absentee. In Georgia, you can vote absentee for any reason, and you can do it securely. It’s easier to vote in Georgia than it is in New York.”
Kemp also said during the presser that MLB did not cite any specific part of the law in their statement announcing they were moving the game, which is also true of the Georgia-based corporations like Coca-Cola and Delta Airlines and the statements they gave condemning the law.
In reality, MLB pulled the game “because Joe Biden and Stacey Abrams have spent days lying to Georgians and the American people,” Kemp suggested. “The truth is that Joe Biden hasn’t read the bill and Stacey Abrams is raising millions off of fake outrage that she has created.”
“Even the Washington Post has given President Biden four Pinocchios for his false attacks on our new law,” Kemp said. “Not to mention that his own home state of Delaware has no early voting and requires an excuse to vote absentee. But is Stacey Abrams calling these states and their antiquated election laws ‘Jim Crow 2.0’? No. Because for her and the partisan activists who support her, it’s about raising money and attaining more power.”
Kemp then drew a line in the sand and declared he would not back down from the fight for secure elections.
“Free and fair elections are the foundation of who we are as a state and a nation. Secure, accessible, fair elections are worth the threats. They are worth the boycotts, as well as the lawsuits,” he told the crowd. “I want to be clear. I will not be backing down from this fight and neither are the people who are here with me today.”
When one reporter asked if Kemp was concerned about a “snowball effect” from the MLB pulling the All-Star game, he reiterated that he was not wavering, and said he felt the state should not have to apologize “one bit” for the new law. If Georgia caved in any way to cancel culturalists on the left, it still would not be enough, which was all the more reason to stand by the law:
“This bill is creating more accessibility and for us to continue to have better processes in the state that are secure for every vote, no matter who you are. And I don’t think we need to apologize one bit for that. I will tell you, these other events, other corporations, or if you’re like me, if you’re a … I’m a CEO too, I’m just not as big as some of the ones that have been gaining a lot of attention because I’ve been a small business owner for over 35 years. And that is the backbone of our economy. But you now have a choice. You can bow down to this cancel culture because I’ll give you a warning. If you do, it’s never enough. It will never be enough. Now is the time for us to speak out and hold people accountable.”
Watch Kemp’s full speech and presser below (full transcript here):
Atlanta Journal-Constitution reporter Greg Bluestein live-tweeted Kemp’s presser accurately described what Kemp’s words constituted: a declaration of war against corporate America:
Georgia’s Republican governor is ready for all-out war with corporate America over the state’s new election law, even if it means more economic pain or threats of boycotts. #gapol https://t.co/guKRW52bkj
— Greg Bluestein (@bluestein) April 3, 2021
Kemp’s language also made it clear that he was ready for a sustained and brutal if necessary battle against Biden and Abrams for their attacks on his state, which have been part of a larger campaign by Democrats – especially Abrams – to try and keep the state’s newly minted “blue” status for years to come. But as I wrote Saturday, that might not be so easy if enough Georgians decide that the both of them throwing the state under the bus using blatant lies in order to score political points and hold on to power was a bridge too far.
Republican state legislators and governors in other states who are under boycott threats from liberal activist mobs over election reform law attempts should look to Kemp’s defiant stance as to how to appropriately respond, because secure elections are indeed worth fighting for.
— Stacey Matthews has also written under the pseudonym “Sister Toldjah” and can be reached via Twitter. —
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Too bad he wasn’t such a “stand-up guy” when it came to election fraud in November.
Republicans are well-positioned to unite and fight this. How many state legislatures are Republican-controlled now? How many of them rolled over during the November election fraud? Very hard to get psyched up about these guys. No credibility. Even if this gets the ball rolling, they will always snatch defeat from the jaws of victory at the end. Winning is not an option.
Perhaps instead of believing a fairytale you could live in reality where Brian Kemp is fighting for his state and you are fighting for a lie, that has already given the Democrats the senate, and provoked one of the largest political backlashes in history with DC still under permanent military garrison.
Knock it off your fairytale isn’t cheap it costs us in providing major Democrat victories, and it is an enraging enough lie that when people believe it…remember Jan 6th?
Do tell us what happened January 6th.
Maybe he will. That would be greatly appreciated.
That’s when someone in a hat sat in a chair.
A riot caused by people being angry with a few agitators being at the wrong place at the wrong time.
There are a lot of ways 2020 wasn’t fair (Corporate help for Democrats, corporate media, social media etc) voter fraud wasn’t one of them.
The voter fraud lie is an alternative to fixing problems.
“Perhaps instead of believing a fairytale you could live in reality where Brian Kemp is fighting for his state”
Sorry, that’s the fairytale.
There’s a reason why those of us who had more than passing connection to reality urged going all out to fight even potential voter fraud in swing states. Because we saw how things like Kennedy’s 1960 Squeaker had ballooned in the decades since and now seemed poised to go multi state.
We were ignored when we weren’t actively vilified and demonized by the likes of you and Kemp, in spite of clearcut evidence at the very least INDICATING the probability of Fraud, as well as plenty of other reasons to suspect it, hence Benford’s Law.
And now, you lot are surprised that Leftist hit squads and cancel culture revolutionaries who just succeeded in neutering a lawful President wouldn’t be emboldened to come for a little ol’ Governor when they saw it convenient?
So if we were as petty and vindictive as you and your idol, I would get a Sasaparilla and let you and Kemp stew in the vile leftist soup you helped enable as useful idjiots. But I’m not as petty and vindictive as either of you are, because I still hold out some hope that our Constitutional Republic can be salvaged and recognize that Georgia’s voting legislature- though being done *Far* too late- are still better than nothing and that the greater good requires swallowing my pride and working with you.
You know, like how Kemp et. al. should have done.
But NONE of that means forgetting or forgiving how Kemp fed the crocodile when he thought it wouldn’t come for him, betrayed the lawful voters of his state, and helped smear those trying to help their interests. Very much to the contrary.
“and you are fighting for a lie,”
A LIE?
You want to lecture US on a Lie?!? Kemp is the one caught lying by omission in order to help smear Trump.
And that’s before I get into the long and sordid history of Democrat party corruption in Georgia.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/03/wapo-issues-correction-on-phone-call-between-trump-georgia-elections-investigator/
https://sos.ga.gov/index.php/elections/state_election_board_refers_voter_fraud_cases_for_prosecution
https://www.ajc.com/politics/election/judge-may-unseal-fulton-absentee-ballots-for-fraud-investigation/3IPZKDO3BJGRRGVFTEW4MLLAKQ/
” that has already given the Democrats the senate, and provoked one of the largest political backlashes in history with DC still under permanent military garrison.”
Oh what utterly EVIL victim-blaming DRIVEL.
You wanna know what gave the Democrats the Senate? The refusal of useful idjiots like Kemp to DO THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY and *enforce the sanctity of voter ID* at the time when it was most important.
You wanna know what the military occupation of DC is?
A manifestation of the increasingly totalitarian views of the Left, as manifested previously by the atrocities of their paramilitaries like AntifA.
If you’re blaming Orange Man for this at all (let alone over rather justified concerns about the security of things like Georgia’s voters) then you have managed to COMPLETELY miss the point.
“Knock it off your fairytale isn’t cheap it costs us in providing major Democrat victories, ”
No, your fairytale isn’t cheap.
And I am through humoring it and humoring people like you. The only reason I’m not willing to let the wolves tear Kemp apart like he tried to let them do to President Trump is because I actually care about this Republic and its voters more than I do cynical, self-serving Pols like Kemp and internet slapfights.
“and it is an enraging enough lie that when people believe it…”
People BELIEVE it because there’s abundant direct and circumstantial evidence that it is not a lie, and MOST CRUCIALLY people like Kemp and others in power IN A POSITION TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS AND PUT THEM TO BED *have not done so.*
“remember Jan 6th?”
Oh, I remember Jan 6th far better than you do. Do *NOT* get me starters about the utter blood libel peddled there.
Or were you paying attention to the number of lies told by liars and repeated by useful idjiots like yourself about it? Like how Sicknick was supposedly “murdered” with a fire extinguisher?
Here’s a hint cupcake: if you want to lecture people about fairytales, don’t make a habit of showing you believe them.
“A riot caused by people being angry with a few agitators being at the wrong place at the wrong time.”
Wrong again, nimrod. Try again..
“There are a lot of ways 2020 wasn’t fair (Corporate help for Democrats, corporate media, social media etc) voter fraud wasn’t one of them.”
Who are you trying to gaslight?
Voter fraud in heavily Democrat jurisdictions- especially URBAN ones- has been a documented problem in this Republic for about 200 years. Georgia- and particularly the districts around Atlanta- are recent adapters of this trend.
https://www.news-daily.com/news/raney-brown-plead-guilty-to-ballot-fraud-judge-wilson-gives-both-two-years-probation/article_343d85dc-f7dd-5b8b-9510-3f16c2c1ae15.html
So even if you do not believe that voter fraud was enough to swing this or that election by itself (which I will add is LAUGHABLY naive and historically ignorant, but leaving that aside), an undercurrent of voter fraud in Democrat heavy districts and counties is ALWAYS there.
Indeed, Legal Insurrection reported on it in the runup to this.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/11/philly-election-day-shenanigans/
So for you to DARE and claim that Democrat-favoring voter fraud wasn’t one of the things that made the 2020 election unfair reflects acute historical and legal ignorance, Danny Boi.
And it means you must be a knave, a fool, or both.
I frankly don’t care.
“The voter fraud lie is an alternative to fixing problems.”
Utter blood libel nonsense.
Voter fraud is not a lie, it is a REALITY.
And any *ACTUAL* fixing of problems MUST by definition involve tackling voter fraud, which is by far one of the oldest problems in our Republic and has grown in pervasiveness over recent years.
So stop gaslighting us. You try to insult our intelligence and awareness, but wind up doing so to yourself.
Kemp isn’t the only phony Republican who, after fleeing the battlefield when everything was at stake, is back to his old games of play fighting. Here is Gov Asa Hutchinson vetoing the bill banning drugs for transexualizing children:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/04/05/arkansas-gov-asa-hutchinson-vetoes-bill-banning-transgender-drugs-surgeries-minors/
This bill was passed by the legislature overwhelmingly and is crazy popular.
I could list at least a dozen of these traitors who abandoned Trump and us but why bother. According to at least two contributors on LI, we are supposed to be “grown-up” and accept that Trump lost and that despite “possible voting irregularities”, the age of Trump is past and we should move on. So we are back to where we started when Bush ’41 declared the New World Order 30 years ago. That is, unless we refuse to go along with this BS.
Trump is still the king maker in the GOP and the only PROVEN option for 2022 and 2024, After being stabbed in the back by the GOP since winning in 2016, we MUST drain the GOP swamp. DeSantis notwithstanding (without Trump he is nothing), we are utter fools for “moving on” when victory is still well within our reach. With Trump.
We need more manly men on our side and fewer squishes forever conceding ground to the commies. To these squishes, we need to accept the last huge lurch to the left of the Overton window. To these insufferable squishes, it is always ALWAYS the right time to do the wrong thing as so we must move on. Right.
That is because it was a myth and lie being perpetrated by a sore loser not reality.
Kemp has been solid on every single issue but he didn’t engage in lies so you hate him.
There’s plenty of evidence of fraud in that election. You can’t accept it, which is why you hate us. Me, I don’t hate Kemp, I just don’t believe him.
Forbes in February: “ MITRE Corporation analysis of eight battleground states’ election results found there was “no evidence of fraud, manipulation, or uncorrected error”—including involving Dominion voting machines—further emphasizing the presidential race wasn’t “stolen” or fraudulent even as former President Donald Trump and his allies continue to push those claims.”
Yeah, Forbes. They are majority owned by CHINA. Maybe if the courts had allowed evidence to be presented, we would now be talking about that evidence. How stupid does one have to be to believe the lies you are selling.
You believe the MFM, how cute ..
The MITRE Corporation is a federal government suckup. This is like asking Joe Biden to investigate Hunter’s laptop. I do not understand why people like you think people like us don’t see through your bullshit.
I have no idea what happened with electronic voting. I’m convinced we’ll never find out. What happened for a fact was illegal and unconstitutional mail-in problems. Why that doesn’t upset you or others is beyond me. But that’s how you clowns roll.
I cannot wait until you are steamrolled by tyranny. It will happen. You will have no sympathy from me.
So… totally free, fair and transparent… so why the major drama of preventing auditing the ballots? Why toss legally required observers and boarding up windows? Why counting ballots on 11/4 early AM when no one around? On and On. Put up or shut up. A totally correct election can withstand any recount or audit. Any….
And to top it off…. voting was for an incompetent demented person whose true medical state was and continues to be hidden. Some open election.
“Forbes in February: “ MITRE Corporation analysis of-”
So in other words, let’s trust this random Corporation”s surface level analysis because Forbes sez it’s true.
Do you have any actual evidence? or are you just throwing this out as an excuse to avoid looking at evidence?
Also: the “no evidence of fraud, manipulation, or uncorrected error” is laughably false.
https://monsterhunternation.com/2020/11/05/the-2020-election-fuckery-is-afoot/
Fine then I am wrong to think Donald J Trump is an intelligent adult he is actually a brainless tiny child in the body of a 74 year old man and obviously all of the good he did was actually done by oh maybe his daughter maybe his wife maybe his VP who knows but someone so stupid that he didn’t even allege voter fraud in a courtroom when it is sooooo obvious can’t have any intellect.
An alternate view is voter fraud was no more than in any other year (like 2016, 2014, 2012 etc) and it didn’t tip any elections which is why Trump never made the claim that voter fraud handed any state to Biden in any court.
2020 was a devastating election to lose, get overt it and stop deluding yourself. Brian Kemp is a fantastic governor who has been solid on every issue. Biden got more votes than Trump in GA and it wasn’t voter fraud and you know that your just unwilling to live in reality (aka fighting) and gave yourself an expensive fairytale.
Don’t worry when we fail to retake the house and senate because Republican Politicians had to run on fairytales and lies instead of the serious cultural economic and political issues Chuck Schumer will be pleased with you.
I don’t hate you I wish you would return to reality otherwise your not fighting Democrats your helping them as demonstrated when they easily won Jan 5th thanks to your election lies.
You’re right. You’re wrong.
“Fine then I am wrong to think-”
Danny Boi, I have yet to see ANY compelling evidence4 that you think At All.
Your comments here certainly don’t seem to indicate it, such as claiming we hate Kemp because “”he didn’t engage in lies” in spite of allowing his lackspittle lieutenants to lie by commission (and thus lying by omission himself) in spite of knowing this was not true because of audio evidence.
And that’s before I get into the truly Flat-Earth Tier belief Nonsense that we can totally trust corrupt, Democrat Urban Machines like Detroit and Millwaukee to not engage in voter fraud in spite of the historical track record showing otherwise.
But you want to claim We’re the ones engaging in fairytales and lies?
“but someone so stupid that he didn’t even allege voter fraud in a courtroom when it is sooooo obvious can’t have any intellect.”
Translation: you’re an ignoramus who doesn’t even understand court proceedings on the extremely b@stardized, low level i do.
Not only is deliberate voter fraud hard to prove- especially before a case is heard- it’s also Unnecessary to prove in order to get several kinds of cases into court. Which is why Trump’s legal team- shambolic and often poorly coordinated as they were- went for the lower hanging fruit: proving systematic voter irregularities but not (usually) alleging fraud in those filings.
Precisely because you shouldn’t Need to prove systematic voter irregularities are fraud in order to get a case into court.
But apparently you are so stupid and dumb you don’t even understand That basic point.
“An alternate view is voter fraud was no more than in any other year (like 2016, 2014, 2012 etc) ”
An alternate view that has not the slightest iota of statistical or eyewitness evidence to support it.
Benford’s Law.
Learn it scrub.
We’re supposed to believe that Joe Freaking Biden not only won several Several-Years-Highs in voter turnout, but regularly outscored Obama the LIGHTWORKUH in places like Michigan?
Pull the other one.
And this is BEFORE we get into the video evidence, affadavits, and so on.
So sorry, but even if you are naive enough to believe that the fraud wasn’t enough to swing the results of at least one election, there’s LITERALLY NO reason to believe it was no more prevalent than any given General Election Year.
“and it didn’t tip any elections”
See above. And shall we talk about the suspicious and simultaneous shutdown in counting across several swing states?
“which is why Trump never made the claim that voter fraud handed any state to Biden in any court.”
I already addressed this point before. You neither have to nor should have to prove such a case if your purpose can be more easily served by proving lesser issues such as systematic voter irregularities.
Get with the program.
“2020 was a devastating election to lose, get overt it and stop deluding yourself. ”
You first.
“Brian Kemp is a fantastic governor who has been solid on every issue.”
He obviously wasn’t a fantastic governor or solid on the issues of personnel picks, and particularly NOT allowing his lieutenants to smear the President of the US and head of his party.
Which is why I keep hammering you on Legal Insurrection’s coverage of WaPo’s retraction of the Georgia Call smear and why we had to count on WaPo to have more basic integrity on this issue than Kemp did.
Because Kemp was and is a snake in the grace who let his underlings smear Trump and provide fuel to the Cancel Culture Revolutionaries because he- in a fit of monumental stupidity and incompetence- did not believe they would come for him.
“Biden got more votes than Trump in GA and it wasn’t voter fraud”
Then why were you and Kemp so adverse to f-king proving it, specifically with a full audit of the votes?
Oh wait.
i think we know why.
“and you know that your just unwilling to live in reality (aka fighting) and gave yourself an expensive fairytale.”
That’s “you’re” as in “you’re just unwillling”, not “your just unwilling”, nimrod.
Secondly: I do not take lectures on *fairy tales* from deluded Governor Kemp cultists who insist that we can trust Atlanta and Kemp’s own lying staff more than we can trust anyone else, in spite of their dishonesty being literally audible and visible by recorded evidence.
“Don’t worry when we fail to retake the house and senate because Republican Politicians had to run on fairytales and lies instead of the serious cultural economic and political issues Chuck Schumer will be pleased with you.”
Uhuh, suuuuuure.
That’s why we’ll fail to retake the House and Senate.
And not the fact that the Democrats engaged in an unprecedented level of voter fraud, lawfare, and others to corrupt the systems of American voter integrity.
Take about an escape hatch for your fairy tale, Danny boi.
“I don’t hate you I wish you would return to reality”
Once again, a classic case of abusive gaslighting.
Well guess what Danny Boy?
I do hate people like you.
Because you- like your idol Kemp- are ultimately snakes in the grass, perhaps willing to “do the right thing” on occasion or when your interests are, but ultimately untrustworthy, treacherous, and abusive. Especially when confronted with evidence that refutes your claims.
In many ways I find you more viscerally repulsive than people Kemp helped enable like Warnock, because I can at least understand what Warnock’s angle is. I find it thoroughly evil and repulsive and destructive to human freedom and dignity on a level far beyond anything you or your idol could do, but that’s the thing.
Warnock and co are evil, in their own little petty way..
But what enables evil to triumph is when Good- or at least not outright evil- people stand by and do nothing.
That’s exactly what Kemp did regarding voter fraud in 2020.
That’s exactly what he did with the fake Georgia Trump Call Fauxandal that we had to wait for a retraction from WaPo over.
I have no reason whatsoever to believe you’re that committed to fighting the Left or Democrats or other things eroding our republic on principle. And I don’t understand why.
“otherwise your not fighting Democrats your helping them as demonstrated when they easily won Jan 5th thanks to your election lies.”
Again, stop the abusive gaslighting Danny Boy.
Who do you think you’re fooling?
Oh come on, Danny! You can’t be serious. Did you hear prior that the election was stolen? Did you listen to Trump’s speeches about it? Did you believe it? Did you hear crazed dog whistles about descending on the Capitol to overthrow the government and install Trump as president? I did, I heard it all (well, I didn’t hear the supposed insurrection dog whistles because I’m not a lunatic or a leftist, but I repeat myself).
I do believe the election was rigged, but at no point did I ever think that Trump would stay in office after his rigged “loss,” and at no point did I think for a second that protesting at– much less storming–the Capitol would change anything, and at no point did I consider for a milisecond dragging my butt to DC to protest an already lost cause. It was a done deal, the Dems had won. I knew it. You knew it. The 75 million Americans who supported the president and didn’t descend on DC knew it.
We heard the same thing those people heard who were deluded into (perhaps?) thinking they could overthrow the U.S. government with bear spray and some old dude napping across the Potomac near a stash of guns. If that’s even what they thought, who knows what they were thinking? They probably don’t even know because it’s so stupid.
But you know what’s even more stupid? Blaming every Trump supporter who questions/ed the results for the actions of a mere handful of people who were clearly not thinking straight. They heard what we heard, so why did they hear it so differently? Who knows? But blaming “elections lies” is reflective of substandard thinking. You heard those “lies,” right? Did you participate? Did I (who also heard them and actually believe there was election fraud sufficient to steal the election for Biden)? Nope. You know why? Hint: the “election lies” were not the sole or even primary cause of what happened either in Georgia’s Senate races nor on January 6.
Considering what myriad factors were at work is hard, I get that, but let’s not be reductive and sophomoric here. It’s disappointing.
BS there is extremely limited evidence of fraud.
Only for those who take an extremely limited look at it.
“BS there is extremely limited evidence of fraud.”
BS. Define “extremely limited evidence of fraud.”
I doubt you can.
And the fact that so much evidence of fraud was turned up with little investigation or subpoena power is telling.
“That is because it was a myth and lie being perpetrated by a sore loser not reality.”
You mean like how Kemp allowed his subordinates to lie and smear Trump by not releasing exculpatory audio evidence putting the President’s concerns and words in context? A lie like that?
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/03/wapo-issues-correction-on-phone-call-between-trump-georgia-elections-investigator/
Yeah, let’s totally believe a petty scumbag like kemp who would lie (by omission) about that would be totally upfront about shortfalls in his state’s voting.
Especially when there’s ample and irrefutable evidence of voter fraud in Georgia historically.
https://www.news-daily.com/news/raney-brown-plead-guilty-to-ballot-fraud-judge-wilson-gives-both-two-years-probation/article_343d85dc-f7dd-5b8b-9510-3f16c2c1ae15.html
“Kemp has been solid on every single issue but he didn’t engage in lies so you hate him.”
Provably f-king false.
Kemp is a shameless, cowardly smear merchant and a snake in the grass, as Legal Insurrection showed.
He has the dubious “honor” of being more shameless than WaPo is, since WaPo at least could be pressured into printing a retraction of its lies about Trump’s call to Georgia. Something Kemp and Raffie and co either have not done, or have not done so prominently.
Kemp betrayed his oath of office and the voters of Georgia. Period. Full stop. He even betrayed basic common sense by refusing to squash a fake scandal regarding Trump’s call to Georgia in its crib by releasing the relevant audio. And you want to blame TRUMP for the fact that a now emboldened Left has swept Georgia towards the Dem category and is now gunning even for its old partner in crime Kemp?
Like I said, Kemp is lucky I am not as petty and craven as he is, because I’m willing to set aside even my righteous anger at a backstabber like him to support the common cause. But that doesn’t mean I have to forget or forgive what he did and what he didn’t do.
Too bad he didn’t display this much backbone last November.
When a majority of your states citizens vote for a candidate that candidate has won your state!!!!!!!!! Knock off the lying your lies have done nothing but help Democrats and are continuing to help Democrats.
Kemp did show backbone, it is hard to be the governor of a swing state that goes to your opponent he took his loss with exactly the behavior you must demand of any elected politician.
Honoring the results of an election is not optional.
Danny, I think that you are overstating your case here. Of course we must honor the election results and have done so, but that does not mean that we can’t have questions about the integrity of and the many irregularities of the 2020 presidential election. I can (and do) question the results and still honor the official result, no? It’s not either/or. Saying that the election was irregular and most odd, even questionable, is not the same thing as not accepting that Biden is indeed president. We accept he is, but we doubt how he got there and for many good reasons (which we’ve all enumerated many times over).
That said, I do wish Trump would drop it and move on to fixing the problems that resulted in his election loss (or ‘loss’). He’s butt-hurt, and perhaps rightfully so, but at this point, he’s just not helping anything or anyone (including himself) by continuing to rail against the injustice he (and many millions of American voters) feel he (and we) suffered. There is no remedy for what happened except to ensure it doesn’t happen again, and that is what Republican legislatures and governors across the country (including Kemp in GA) are currently doing.
My sense is that the establishment GOP wanted Trump gone, and to that end, they saw the Democrat push for fraud-ridden voting measures (allegedly needed due to WuFlu) as a convenient way to get him out without implicating themselves. Now they have to clean up the mess they allowed to manifest to achieve their goal. Again, just my sense here, not based on anything concrete. /adjusts tinfoil hat while sashaying away
I actually partially agree with what you said. I didn’t like that Atlanta went into anti-transparency on election night, and I think that the new law is a good thing.
Here is where I have problems however. The first is looking at 2016 when Trump won Georgia the difference wasn’t in Atlanta proper but in the suburbs of Georgia which flipped from R to D. In other words whatever was going on with the bad behavior which I agree was bad it isn’t what cost Trump GA, his suburban decline did. Ignore that and pretend it was urban Atlanta (which we carried in which election?) means not addressing how do we either reverse the decline or make it up with other voters? While it isn’t a pleasant question it isn’t possible to ask if you don’t acknowledge the problem.
The second problem I have is that the narrative isn’t “we have questions about how Atlanta conducted itself, particularly regarding observers” but “The election in GA was stolen with the blessing of the GA governor and SoS who spinelessly let the Democrats steal the White House”, which just isn’t true.
The third is that the narrative has already cost us elections and is likely to cost us more going into the future. If Brian Kemp gave Biden GA electoral votes and helped force a senator into a runoff giving the Democrats the senate to why not punish him (by sending him home to a mansion so not punishing him)?
It could be applied outside of GA, while you don’t have Brian Kemp to punish why vote at all if elections are rigged?
I agree with you 100% instead of partially that we do need to move on, and I am guilty of focusing too much on this argument over if voter fraud impacted the election,
Finally about your sense I would agree with if not for the extreme legal incompetence on the Republican side. The chance of race based vaccine priority surviving challenge in court for example is exactly zero, I’m using that example as an extreme one to prove a point that our side is inferior at using legal remedies in court, or taking rules changes seriously.
“I actually partially agree with what you said. I didn’t like that Atlanta went into anti-transparency on election night, and I think that the new law is a good thing.”
Then you had a moral obligation to insist that Kemp and co lay down the law on Atlantal.
“Here is where I have problems however. ”
From what I have seen ,you have a host of problems.
“The first is looking at 2016 when Trump won Georgia the difference wasn’t in Atlanta proper but in the suburbs of Georgia which flipped from R to D. ”
Which brings me back to the unique advantages urban political machines have on voter fraud and the creation of new ballots out of thin air. I use “Atlanta” as a shorthand for many areas that are on the outskirts of it and largely in its political orbit even if not de jure part of the city, and there are several other heavily Democrat locks.
“In other words whatever was going on with the bad behavior which I agree was bad it isn’t what cost Trump GA, his suburban decline did. ”
That’s assuming that urban political machines cannot influence and corrupt their suburbs, which we *know* isn’t true.
And we also know it isn’t true because of the number of “election irregularities” and “malfunctions” that preyed upon rural and suburban jurisdictions elsewhere.
” Ignore that and pretend it was urban Atlanta (which we carried in which election?) ”
You’re overlooking the role of the popular vote in selecting which roster of Electors goes to vote. Which is how corrupt political machines- especially urban ones- can have an outsized and illegal influence well beyond that.
It also means ignoring that just because we never carried Atlanta in an election, it couldn’t have been a deciding issue. In spite of again, Atlanta being able to help greatly shift the overall balance of power both by influencing its suburbs and raw printing of votes in order to affect the EC Slate.
Which- coincidence coincidence- is what the track record for it and other eleventh hour Biden Wins looks like.
“means not addressing how do we either reverse the decline or make it up with other voters? While it isn’t a pleasant question it isn’t possible to ask if you don’t acknowledge the problem.”
This is the exact inverse of the problem. It’s possible- and indeed necessary- to ask how to recoup disillusioned voters while not attributing to them the decisive issue.
But it is impossible to ask how you fortify an election against corruption or outright theft from the likes of Atlanta by not answering it. And we saw the aftershocks of this in the Georgia runoffs.
“The second problem I have is that the narrative isn’t “we have questions about how Atlanta conducted itself, particularly regarding observers” but “The election in GA was stolen with the blessing of the GA governor and SoS who spinelessly let the Democrats steal the White House”, which just isn’t true.”
Then prove it.
Considering Governor Kemp spinelessly, shamelessly let his subordinates smear President Trump while peddling and grandstanding his own narrative in lieu of audio evidence, do you understand why I consistently refer to Kemp as a snake in the grass, untrustworthy, craven, and so on?
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/03/wapo-issues-correction-on-phone-call-between-trump-georgia-elections-investigator/
There’s far, Far more reason to believe the Georgia Election was stolen than to believe Governor Kemp has always been a standup guy. And the speed he had at putting out his own narrative- including by suppressing or ignoring inconvenient facts- says nothing good about him.
Kemp had every chance to help allay these concerns by standing up for his voters and demanding a full audit.
He not only did not, he let his subordinates engage in character assassination and other nonsense against those of us who objected.
“The third is that the narrative has already cost us elections and is likely to cost us more going into the future.”
That which is cited without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Benford’s Law alone (nonwithstanding the mountains of eyewitness accounts, video and audio evidence, and so on) is more than enough reason to believe the driving force behind what “Cost us the election” was voter fraud, not Orange Man Bad.
The same cannot be said for what you have claimed.
“If Brian Kemp gave Biden GA electoral votes and helped force a senator into a runoff giving the Democrats the senate to why not punish him (by sending him home to a mansion so not punishing him)?”
Frankly if Kemp is half as guilty as I suspect he has sending him home would be wholly inadequate in the eyes of the law, but I am more than willing to send him home, were I someone who lived in his state. But I do not.
In any case, Lesson Learned. Do not Trust Kemp, as he is Untrustworthy. I will treat him as a fair weather ally at best, willing to swallow my grievances to work with him when I see justifiable cause but not someone I am inclined to trust or stick my neck out for.
“It could be applied outside of GA, while you don’t have Brian Kemp to punish why vote at all if elections are rigged?”
See above.
“I agree with you 100% instead of partially that we do need to move on, and I am guilty of focusing too much on this argument over if voter fraud impacted the election,”
Anybody who thinks voter fraud didn’t impact the election is a historically illiterate fool, which is easily refuted.
The only justifiable issue is if you believe that voter fraud didn’t impact the election enough to swing the result, which is at least a position one can hold and argue in good faith. But that means arguing against the actual evidence, not smearing those who disagree with you as ‘liars”, peddling “fairytales.”
This is why I call you a dishonest gaslighter.
“Finally about your sense I would agree with if not for the extreme legal incompetence on the Republican side. ”
Incompetence does not justify malice.
“The chance of race based vaccine priority surviving challenge in court for example is exactly zero,”
Forgive me if I am not naive enough to trust the courts in the aftermath of things such as Harvard.
” I’m using that example as an extreme one to prove a point that our side is inferior at using legal remedies in court, or taking rules changes seriously.”
Which is a fair point…but doesn’t deal with the “fortifying” the Left has done in the judicial establishment.
Danny, I’m not a fan of straw man arguments, so I think that your specious reframing of my comment to focus on Atlanta–which I don’t mention at all–is invalid (it’s a logical fallacy that has nothing to do with what I actually said).
The election was rigged, in my opinion, and it was rigged in Democrat-run key areas in a handful of states. All of which went into the anti-transparency mode that you mention . . . on election night . . . after Trump had won Iowa, Florida, etc.. They all just stopped counting, with one Democrat county in Georgia claiming that it was due to a broken water main (this turned out to be a lie). Trump lost by tens of thousands of votes in this handful of key districts in these key states. Yeah, I think it was rigged because any other conclusion requires the suspension of disbelief and determined obtuseness.
No one who believes the election was stolen will ever say otherwise to accommodate the color guard of the new cultural revolution where we are forced to parrot lies and state things we do not and will never believe, and I find your insistence that we do so rather strange. Who cares if we believe it was stolen? I thought Romney won in 2012, too, and that that election was stolen from him. When he meekly rolled over, I shrugged, too. Did my belief in 2012 (a belief I hold to this day) topple “American democracy”? Of course not, it’s absurd to even suggest that it did or that my belief about 2020 is a threat to “democracy” or to the GOP or to anything.
Thinking thoughts is still okay in this country (as of this writing), expressing those thoughts is still okay (same qualifier). As is disagreeing with them, but that’s the end of the road. I say “x,” you say, “y,” and that’s it. I can’t compel to you agree with me or to read my script saying you do (even if you don’t), nor can you compel me or anyone else to agree with you.
Stop policing people’s thoughts and start worrying about how we avoid future election fraud and how we pull together to stop Biden’s horrific, anti-America agenda. /just a suggestion
@Fuzzyslippers
You make a lot of assertions without any evidence, and rehash a lot of mis informed rubbish. You cite random irregularities which have ben debunked, which have limited scope of impact. And still not provided any source at all which coherently advocates the narrative you support, All you’ve done is res=hash the same old tropes. This is where the trouble starts with the whole election law narrative. its predicated on a conspiracy theory where there was overwhelming election fraud which justifies election integrity. The consequence of the law is known from past experience to limit access to voting that’s all been shown where the election fraud argument is fantasy.
@mark311, this ridiculous word soup has already been thoroughly fisked, but I would add my request that you provide evidence that legal voters experience “limited access” to voting by voting integrity laws. Because, as Milhouse points out, the only people whose access to voting is “limited” (hopefully, completely eliminated) is those who are not eligible to vote in the given local, state, or federal election. That, mark311, is the goal. You get that, right?
@mark311
“You make a lot of assertions without any evidence,”
As opposed to you, who makes few assertions with absolutely zero evidence?
” and rehash a lot of mis informed rubbish.”
This is rich coming from you.
Especially given how much of the voxsplaining that sought to “correct” the “misinformed” record was itself rubbish (yeah, let’s totally ignore the rollbacks on ballot integrity measures and allowing ballots to be collected after the legal time, as well as the “Pipe Break” and the like).
” You cite random irregularities which have ben debunked, ”
That’s not how random irregularities work, weasel..
Random irregularities are, BY THEMSELVES, *Irregular.* Meaning they tend to average out over time and distance.
That IS ABSOLUTELY NOT what we saw here.
The fact that these “irregularities’ all tended to be EXTREMELY preferential to the Biden/Harris ticket would by itself- even with Literally No Other Evidence, and even without any underlying crime or wrongdoing being at the root- be reason to suspect something was “off.”
And they weren’t all that was there.
The fact that we had one vote counting center outright lie about a pipe breaking, it and others shove vote observers out prematurely without ceasing counting, and many Dem Urban Machine cities getting turnout that ranged from the LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE (like some Milwaukee wards turning in more than 100% of eligible voters) to the “merely” PRACTICALY impossible (such as vote totals indicating a decades-high-watermark, often a dozen or more percentage points more than the average voter turnout, including in landmark elections). .
And I could go on.
So the “DEBUNKED” shouting is incredibly unpersuasive. It is not evidence. It is also not going to help you.
The fact is that Joe Biden- a vapid, corrupt, and now senile pol with little charisma or intelligence at the best of times and not much in the way of a loyal support base- managed to outscore every other Presidential candidate in history to get more votes than even such luminaries as Trump and Obama.
But PRIMARILY as a result of sky high voter turnout in a select few urban, Democrat dominated cities…in Swing States.
And you think that makes a lot of sense? That Biden regularly beat Obama’s turnout among African-Americans and other minorities in those jurisdictions but rarely anywhere else?
“which have limited scope of impact.”
“Limited cope of impact.”
You wanna know what else had limited scope of impact?
The bad deals that ultimately alerted the authorities to what Bernie Madoff was doing.
And the Watergate Break-in.
Likewise Boss Tweed trying to stiff a Sheriff of the Tammany Hall machine for a single payout that led to the whistle being blown.
Fraud is like an iceberg, especially systematic machine fraud. By the time it has grown enough to be detectable from the surface, it usually has grown for years and years, creating a mountain underneath the surface.
Only a moron would think that just what you DETECT *INITIALLY* from aa surface level analysis is the full measure of the fraud or criminal malfeasance.
Which is why INVESTIGATIONS need to INVESTIGATE, including with Subpoena Power.
Which is the step that has rarely done regarding the 2020 election.
“And still not provided any source at all which coherently advocates the narrative you support,”
A: I note you also haven’t provided any source at all to explain this, and particularly why we must completely discard thousands upon thousands of signed affadavits, hours of audio and video evidence, and tried and tested fraud detection tools such as Benford’s Law in favor of “No Evidence!”
and
B: Still not true.
https://wethepeopleconvention.org/articles/Voter-Fraud-Compilation-Page
To cite just one.
“All you’ve done is res=hash the same old tropes.”
Pot Kettle Black, Markey-moo.
” This is where the trouble starts with the whole election law narrative. ”
No you useless hack, IT IS NOT.
The Trouble with the election law narrative STARTED months- if not years- ago, as a result of persistent Leftist and Democrat attempts to limit or even roll back election integrity measures and demonize those who pointed them out. While also consistently avoiding thorough investigation for justifiably infamous political machines known to engage in vote rigging like Chicago’s Daley Machine.
Things like the corrupt and utterly illegal decision to subvert Pennsylvania’s legislature and accept invalid ballots were some of the later issues in that long problem, but by no means the first.
Issue is, debasing election integrity and vote authenticity also debases trust in the system. And refusing to investigate red flags that are highly indicative of fraud and other shenanigans- as most of the lawsuits “Trump Lost” were- hurts it even further.
So now you’re surprised when people like me call you out for your pathological, dishonest BS and refuse to to accept your claims that such and such as “debunked” (BY WHO?!?! “Fact Checkers” with a proven track record of extreme left wing bias and dishonesty like Snopes and PolitiFact?)?
This is what your idols helped sew. Now you reap it.
“its predicated on a conspiracy theory where there was overwhelming election fraud-”
Firstly nimrod: Conspiracy Theories about election fraud are proven each and every single year, as the regular parade of people pleading guilty to engaging in electoral fraud show. So merely waving the Ooga Booga Voodoo term of “Conspiracy Theory” is utterly meaningless in this term; if people conspire, that’s a conspiracy. If said conspiracy involves criminal actions such as say shredding ballots, that’s a criminal conspiracy. And if people notice signs of such conduct and begin theorizing that is such a case, that’s a Conspiracy Theory.
So is believing in Reptillians that have infiltrated the British Royal Family, but that brings us to the different levels of evidence for different theories, as well as their plausibility.
Secondly: You’re engaging in a dishonest strawman. There doesn’t have to be “overwhelming election fraud”, just surgical fraud largely concentrated in heavily Democrat dominated cities in crucial swing states, pushing in enough fraudulent votes to help tip the scales of the election.
Far from be3ing “overwhelming”, the overwhelming majority of counties in the US could have squeaky clean, 100% authentic elections (and they didn’t) and still have an overall fraudulent result.
In much the same way as the Daley Machine won 1970 by JFK with a handful of fraudulent votes, and “Landslide Lyndon” won his first one.
The fact that you are unable and unwilling to acknowledge that fraud can be meaningful and even decisive in legitimately tight races- and that we have PROVABLE, PROVEN EXAMPLES OF IT HAVING BEEN SO- shows you to be A Fool, A Knave, or Both. And it also points to the OTHER reason why your psychopathic “limited impact” dismissal of the significant fraud that WAS detected from surface-level analysis is so terrible:
Not only do we have no reason to believe that which was detected from surface level examination amounted to the full measure of the problem, but sometimes YOU ONLY NEED a “limited impact” of fraud to have a decisive effect.
“which justifies election integrity. ”
Election integrity JUSTIFIES ITSELF.
“The consequence of the law is known from past experience to limit access to voting”
*GOOD!*
That is the POINT of Election Integrity and Voter Authenticity Laws: to make it SIGNIFICANTLY harder for fraudulent votes to be entered into the system. And indeed, when it comes to elections for all the blather the left has peddled about “Voter Suppression” – on occasion justified- and references to things like Jim Crow- where it was clearly justified- it’s easier to fix a system where votes are suppressed to a group of insular, reactionary, bigoted, insert the blank here voters (who are usually male and dead) than to fix a system where there is no authenticity over votes.
I can say an AWFUL lot about the likes of the 1800 Election in the US, but it was still far more honest than the 1927 Liberian Election. And it had predictable effects.
Because at least those grumpy, reactionary, bigoted voters able to vote under an unjustly repressive voting system *actually exist* and so you can appeal to their interests, vestigial hearts, and so on.
In contrast to a system that FAILS to limit voting to legitimate voters, because then you have votes- possibly a majority- held by people with no legal entitlement to them, or who even DON’T EXIST (ala the 1927 Vote).
In which case electoral politics becomes far more of a farce than it already was, as there’s a race to create more illegal votes. Which usually precedes the entire system collapsing.
” that’s all been shown where the election fraud argument is fantasy..’
Keep lying, fool.
Keep lying.
“When a majority of your states citizens vote for a candidate that candidate has won your state!!!!!!!!!”
OOOH EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!!!!
Clearly if you throw enough EXCLAMATION POINTS AT THE END OF A SENTENCE IT MUST BE VALID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Perhaps! I should! throw some in! to the Middle! of a sentence so that it will be Extra-Valid!!!!!!!!
Now that we have that Out of the Way!!!
That’s how it’s supposed to work in theory and Law Danny Boy, but it isn’t Always how it does that.
If that’s how it ALWAYS worked, than Nixon would’ve won Illinois in 1960 and gotten the Presidency!!!!
But that DIDN’T HAPPEN!!! And do you know why?!?
Voter! Fraud!
” Knock off the lying your lies have done nothing but help Democrats and are continuing to help Democrats.”
No, YOUR lying has done nothing but help the Democrats.
Ditto Kemp’s lies, like how he let his lieutenants smear Trump on the basis of dishonest and partial snippets of the phone call he had.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/03/wapo-issues-correction-on-phone-call-between-trump-georgia-elections-investigator/
“Kemp did show backbone, it is hard to be the governor of a swing state that goes to your opponent he took his loss with exactly the behavior you must demand of any elected politician.”
No fool, he didn’t.
Indeed, he is emblematic of the kind of enabling, go-along-to-get-along evil that characterized Nixon’s refusal to context the 1960 election’s obvious voter fraud, Kemp’s lieutenants smearing Trump, and the obvious refusal to examine voter fraud in places like Atlanta, which are justifiably proverbial for it.
“Honoring the results of an election is not optional.”
Then why did Kemp not take pains to ensure the results of an election were actually genuine?
We know why.
Kemp is being shocked that an emboldened leftist mob that got away with one major thing can now try and swallow smaller fry like him. And frankly he deserves to get swallowed, but this nation doesn’t deserve the effects that would come from letting him taht.
It must be remembered that Kemp and his administration created the conditions for stealing the 2020 election, refused to investigate or prosecute any of the open illegality, and continue to claim the election was pure and honest.
These establishment Republicans are the scum of the earth. They colluded with the Democrats and allowed them to steal the election to get rid of Trump, because he was a threat to control of the party by its present leadership. Regardless of what these people do now to keep Democrats from stealing all future elections, they need to be booted out of office at the earliest opportunity. The Republican leadership establishment is as much our enemy as the communist Democrats.
“You can bow down to this cancel culture because I’ll give you a warning. If you do, it’s never enough. It will never be enough.”
Well, at least somebody in office understands the dynamics of cancel culture.
Never apologize to the mob, There is no forgiveness, ever.
We need more courage like this Polish clegyman in Canada:
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/04/out-nazis.php
If you bow down, it’s never enough…..
This was good. I particularly liked the part where he said if we don’t stand up now, while there is still a vanishingly small window of opportunity, we will not be able to. https://twitter.com/Mrtdogg/status/1378443481115459592
It’s hard for me to understand the government oppression that so many of my fellow Americans are experiencing because I live in Free Florida. Nothing has changed in my area since the very early days of the WuFlu scare when we all wore masks and adhered to the six foot lines drawn on the floors of stores, etc. That lasted about a month. Then we all got more informed, understood that unless we were elderly or riddled with comorbundities, our chance of survival even if afflicted with WuFlu was over 99%.
Um, okay, so why the freakshow? Everyone ditched their masks (most were just cloth scraps from concert tee-shirts and old bras strapped to one’s head by elastic—i.e. almost completely ineffectual against any virus) and just kept on keeping on. I think we had some restaurant/bar restrictions for a few months, but “shrug,” this is Trump Country/Free Florida, and we didn’t even adhere to those “requirements” that our local LE would never enforce; heck, they were right there with us, after their shifts, of course, hanging out and enjoying liberty. I don’t think one business in my town went under due to WuFlu.
Did some people in my county/town die from WuFlu? Sure.Just like everywhere, but they were isolated cases, some were really cancer patients who died but had tested positive for WuFlu, so even though they were given six months to live due to terminal cancer, they were listed as WuFlu deaths. These were people who had undergone chemotherapy for months, some for years, and were terminal, but yeah, it was WuFlu that killed them.
Anyway, living free makes it hard for me to grasp the tyranny so many others, including in Canada, are facing. We cannot submit to the tyranny.
I am so blessed to have an amazing and fabulous governor in DeSantis, but I was THIS CLOSE to being stuck with a doped up druggie commie (Gillum) who would have tried to lock down our entire state . . . and failed (at least in my county, town). I thank God every day that DeSantis is my governor, that my state is free, that I am free. Not because he or his government grants me freedom but because he understands that I was born free and with inherent God-given rights–liberty and rights that he knows he is too small to challenge and that he no right or wish to destroy. DeSantis has been a gift of God to Florida, to Floridians, and freedom-loving Floridians are thankful to God for that and respect DeSantis for not seeking power beyond his scope. That is rare indeed.
Once again, I find myself agreeing with Charles Barkley:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/were-so-stupid-following-our-politicians-charles-barkley-unleashes-one-minute-truth
As annoying as he can be, he gets a lot of big things right. We are really stupid to believe anything either wing of the Uniparty says. We’ve been here before with these mealy-mouthed polymorphs. If only they delivered when it mattered. Instead they circle the wagons around the Democrats to save them US.
I’m glad Kemp is saying these things but I don’t believe anything he says about what he will do. It’s all about raising money to continue the play fighting.
Kemp makes me feel bad for Georgia and Georgians. As if the she-hawg and warlock were not enough, Georgia seems hell-bent to find a lowest common denominator, with something.
Thank goodness, peaches grow in other places. One of these days, the devil will call his due and Carter will find something or somewhere, new.
Oh my, after stonewalling virtually all attempts to make sure that his state’s 2020 election results were secure and allowing his scumbag underlings to smear the likes of President Trump and those who were also concerned for WEEKS without rebuttal in spite of having exculpatory evidence, Governor Kemp is now shocked-shocked! I Tell You!- that the vile horde of Cultural Revolutionaries he enlisted to help fight Trump and others in Kemp’s own party are now turning on HIM when his use is gone?
My heart bleeds.
For the Republic and Constitution, not for Kemp.
Kemp’s shown himself to be a vile snake in the grass unworthy of support, and the only reason I’m willing to even grudge him this support now is because of the greater issues at play.