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NY Times reconstruction of Kenosha-Rittenhouse shootings points to potential self-defense

NY Times reconstruction of Kenosha-Rittenhouse shootings points to potential self-defense

“While fleeing from the scene, Rittenhouse is again chased by several people. He trips and falls to the ground and fires four shots as three people rush him. One person appears to be hit in the chest, while another, who is carrying a handgun, is hit in the arm.”

https://twitter.com/trbrtc/status/1298840777251008512

While much media attention has focused recently on the Jacob Blake police shooting incident in Kenosha, WI, there were further shootings in the small city that have garnered much social media discussion and mainstream media attention.

This incident involved a 17-year-old Illinois resident, Kyle Rittenhouse, who states that he traveled the short distance from his home in Antioch, IL to Kenosha, WI in an effort to help protect businesses from the rampaging mobs of looters, arsonists, vandals, and assailants that had been plaguing the small city of approximately 100,000 in the days following the Blake incident.  He is also on video stating that he is there to assist in emergency medical treatment of injured persons.

During his interactions with violent rioters, the teen allegedly shot three men who appear to be actively pursuing him with ill intent, killing two and seriously wounding the third.

The three men allegedly shot by Rittenhouse have been identified as follows:

This person was captured on video earlier on the evening he was killed, screaming “shoot me, n***a” at armed civilians.

The second person shot, Anthony Huber, chased Rittenhouse after Rosenbaum had been killed.  It’s not clear what his reason for doing this is, though the shouts of the mob saying “Get him! Get his gun!” seems to suggest either ominous intent, vigilantism, or perhaps some misguided attempt at a citizen’s arrest. We do not know at this point, and will likely never know, what would prompt someone to chase an armed man who just shot someone in the head.

When Rittenhouse fell to the ground, Huber appears to attempt to bash the prone and armed  Rittenhouse in the head with his skateboard.

This person has reportedly stated that his only regret about the incident is that he did not kill Rittenhouse.

The circumstances of the incident are being scrutinized carefully given that Rittenhouse has been charged, at least initially, with a litany of homicide and other counts that seem likely to be downgraded given video evidence of the incident.

Real-time, on-the-ground reports suggested and are upheld by later NYTimes reporting, that Rittenhouse was attempting, repeatedly, to flee the mob but tripped and fell.  He reportedly fired his weapon when one alleged assailant “jumped on top of him.”

Surprisingly, the New York Times bucked their usual trend and engaged in an increasingly rare act of journalism; they provide a detailed timeline of the events based on their team’s review of numerous livestreams.

The NYTimes’ resultant timeline strongly suggests that Rittenhouse acted in self-defense (via Twitchy).

“Assault rifle,” heh.  But to the Triebert’s credit he issues a correction:

Back to the timeline:

Good journalism here, but yeah, it’s still the NYTimes:

Normal Americans shrug and think, “yeah, so? That’s Tuesday at my house,” but the NYTimes apparently thinks this is note-worthy enough to conclude its, to that point, solid foray back into actual journalism.

Kenosha police issued a statement that an investigation of the shootings is ongoing.

As always, we will keep you updated as more details become available.

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The shooting to pay attention to is the first one. It doesn’t matter if the second two shootings are self defense if the first one was not. Need to have “clean hands” for self defense to be valid.

    BillyHW in reply to KenF. | August 29, 2020 at 4:12 am

    Isn’t shit supposed to come out of anuses and not mouths?

    BierceAmbrose in reply to KenF. | August 29, 2020 at 10:37 am

    Well, the psy-op to top-post against inconvenient truths took it up a notch post-convention, didn’t it? Get that first comment up there to dirty up the article, n derail any communication, deplorable to deplorable.

    You can tell it’s a psy-op by how quickly the “response” goes up – it’s fast because it was prepped ahead of time, how well-crafted it is – reframes the discussion, and how it disrupts the deplorables gelling around their issues – details of assault laws vs self defense, rtba, preparedness n discretion.

    BierceAmbrose in reply to KenF. | August 29, 2020 at 10:52 am

    Then first response is to stay on-issue.

    Like this:
    20,000 mostly armed, still peaceful pro-gun(*) protesters in VA, despite being maligned, impeded, n harassed by their representatives, and *fenced out* of access during a state legislative access event maden their point. If armed citizens were amproblem, that would have been the insurrection blood bath the VA officials were trying to stir up.

    It would be nice if even 2,000 antifa could “protest” without their own crime wave. They’re so egregious they’re getting arrested by “officials” all-in for them. Meanwhile, the spittle-flecked “No guns for you!” “leaders” in VA managed one (1) arrest among their baited hordes. For a mask violation.

    /Meta…

    There are like 15 claims, a bunch of presumptions and a gaggle of social cues all consistent in the initial articles, posts, n comments on that event. T-ed up top comments are just a more refined mechanism. Reject the frame they’re injecting.

    BierceAmbrose in reply to KenF. | August 29, 2020 at 10:57 am

    Well, let’s see, I suppose that “first incident” thing means every protester since Andy Ngo got brained is merely an extension of that assault.

    What’s the appropriate force for.effecting arrest on every one of them?

    We can presume every protester’s bike lock is a weapon carried with intent, now, right? Signs on sticks, boots, knuckle gloves n water bottles too, right?

      Milhouse in reply to BierceAmbrose. | August 30, 2020 at 9:53 am

      Well, let’s see, I suppose that “first incident” thing means every protester since Andy Ngo got brained is merely an extension of that assault.

      No, that’s not relevant to this story at all. Not only because nobody involved in that incident was involved here, but also because they are not part of the same encounter, which would be true even if they had involved the same players.

      The question is who was the aggressor here, and the answer is (1) generally the mob chasing Rittenhouse, and (2) specifically Joseph Rosenbaum, who took advantage of the distraction of the gunfire to charge Rittenhouse, and thankfully was stopped before he could harm him.

        Think38 in reply to Milhouse. | September 2, 2020 at 11:42 pm

        The video shows Rittenhouse being chased by Rosenbaum for at least half of a block. Don’t think he was using anything for cover — he just gave chase.

    BierceAmbrose in reply to KenF. | August 29, 2020 at 11:00 am

    On point; separate incidents.

    Demonstrate continuous aggrssion or the situation resets. Shot then stopped shooting would be an example.

      Milhouse in reply to BierceAmbrose. | August 30, 2020 at 9:58 am

      They’re not separate incidents. The attackers the second time acted because he had shot Rosenbaum. Had that shooting been wrong, they would have been right to try to stop him, and they would have had the right to use deadly force to do so. He would not have had the right to defend himself from them.

      Since that was not the case, he was right and they were wrong. It’s possible that they were not aware of the circumstances of Rosenbaum’s shooting, and were innocently trying to stop a dangerous criminal. Even so, that would only mean they were right to attack him; it wouldn’t change the fact that he was right to defend himself. His hands were definitely clean; theirs may also have been, but I doubt it.

        Think38 in reply to Milhouse. | September 2, 2020 at 11:44 pm

        Wisconsin law is not very clear about whether you can use deadly force to make a citizen arrest. Making such an arrest is different that stopping an ongoing crime.

    BierceAmbrose in reply to KenF. | August 29, 2020 at 11:05 am

    Also on point, so yr conceding that it’s self defense shooting the guy braining you with a skateboard, after yr down, after he chased you?

    Yr conceding that once “hands up no threat” guy drops the pretense n points his glock, it’s self defense again?

    Well, that illuminates why not dead kid walked toward police, tryin to surrender vs. engage them.

      Milhouse in reply to BierceAmbrose. | August 30, 2020 at 9:45 am

      Also on point, so yr conceding that it’s self defense shooting the guy braining you with a skateboard, after yr down, after he chased you?

      Yr conceding that once “hands up no threat” guy drops the pretense n points his glock, it’s self defense again?

      Actually, no. Had Rittenhouse been an aggressor, as KenF suggests, then he would not have had the right to defend himself with deadly force against those attacks. On the contrary, they would have been right to use deadly force to bring him down. That’s what the clean hands rule means. So he’s not conceding anything.

      He’s right on the law, so far as it goes, but he’s wrong on the facts. From all the evidence Rittenhouse was the very model of civic responsibility, and I foresee great things for him.

    MarkSmith in reply to KenF. | August 29, 2020 at 11:42 am

    Anyone see any other posts by KenF? Quick search finds zip.

    False flag? Ambrose is on top of that. Yea.

    Based on earlier video, I would say Rosenbaum was staking him.

    I would love to know the paths that got the 3 perps there. Who were they with? What was in the bag and what was on their phones and computer. Who they last texted, called.

    alaskabob in reply to KenF. | August 29, 2020 at 1:55 pm

    Oh… so contestants #2 and #3 are attempting to make a “citizen’s arrest” to “stop the violence”? Contestant #1 is chasing the kid with something in his hand… who knows… maybe a Twinkie. Go wash your hands…

      Milhouse in reply to alaskabob. | August 30, 2020 at 10:05 am

      Yes, in the counterfactual in which Rittenhouse was the aggressor against Rosenbaum, or in the possible (but unlikely) factual that Huber and Grosskreutz thought Rittenhouse had been the aggressor, they would have been doing the right thing, trying to stop a dangerous gunman before he murdered more innocent people. Even if that’s so, since in fact Rittenhouse was not the aggressor he had the right to defend himself, whether from further aggression or from a mistaken attempt at defense of others.

    Milhouse in reply to KenF. | August 30, 2020 at 9:39 am

    The shooting to pay attention to is the first one. It doesn’t matter if the second two shootings are self defense if the first one was not. Need to have “clean hands” for self defense to be valid.

    Nobody knows who did the first shooting, except that it was not Rittenhouse. And nobody knows whom they were shooting at; perhaps Rittenhouse, perhaps not. At the time he had to assume he might have been the target.

That this man was even charged with a crime, at all, speaks to the totally corrupt politicization of our justice system by vile Dhimmi-crat prosecutors who place greater importance on the Dhimim-crat mob’s bloodlust than on facts and law. As in the George Zimmerman case.

    JOHN B in reply to guyjones. | August 28, 2020 at 10:04 pm

    Let;s find a big guy with a violent criminal record, hand him a skateboard and let him smash the prosecutor’s head as he is on the ground. and have a mob of people screaming to get him or kill him.

    The skateboard holder would be charged with attempted murder and every other charge you could think of. And so would the members of the mob.

    Equal justice is not in the progressive liberal universe.

      Milhouse in reply to JOHN B. | August 30, 2020 at 10:08 am

      Oh, didn’t you know that Huber was a hero, a gem of a person with a 2-year-old daughter, who tried to take down a shooter with nothing but a skateboard? Haven’t you read the tear-jerker interview with his girlfriend expanding on what a wonderful person he was, a real patriot, the best of the best? These people don’t even live in the same universe as we do.

        ID5791 in reply to Milhouse. | August 30, 2020 at 7:43 pm

        You have to wonder if the teary-eyed girlfriend is the same one Huber repeatedly committed domestic violence against. ?

    BillyHW in reply to guyjones. | August 29, 2020 at 4:13 am

    The prosecutor is a black woman diversity hire, that’s all you need to know.

Kid was running around like a mad man trying to avoid trouble.

JusticeDelivered | August 28, 2020 at 7:57 pm

It sounds to me like the boy deserves a metal, and the prosecutor needs to chained to a streetlight pole, with s sign labeling him as a prosecutor. His charges are complete horseshit.

Lost me at “ny times”. I won’t bother with anything of theirs.

Anyway, we have Andrew Branca.

    Alex deWynter in reply to TheFineReport.com. | August 29, 2020 at 6:43 pm

    Agreed. I’m most interested to hear his views on this case. Also wondering if he’ll take the young man on as a client, if asked.

    Then you’re mistaken, because they did good work on this one. Apparently they still employ some actual journalists. I wonder how long this one will last, once they realize what he’s done here.

There isn’t a fair-minded jury in the world, outside of NYC and San Francisco, that would convict this guy, given the video evidence and the facts.

There is a posting that shows someone throwing a Molotov Cocktail around the time the first guy shoots in the air. I can not find it in the videos so I think someone added it.

He was fleeing before both encounters. Clear self defense.

Grosskreutz, the guy that got his arm shot needs to be charged. His comment that he should have killed Kyle is even more damning. He has a concealed firearm in his pants combined by his attempted murder charge.

I would review the video and also get a nice list of accomplices too.

The lawsuits are going to start flying at the media too. I am guessing Wood will be going at them 100%. NYT is covering their butt to avoid a lawsuit.

    MarkSmith in reply to MarkSmith. | August 28, 2020 at 8:40 pm

    Word on the street is any pictures of a Molotov Cocktail is fake, just as I though since I was watching the scene live.

    NoFlow in reply to MarkSmith. | August 29, 2020 at 8:00 am

    I think that either Donut Operator or Crowder on YouTube flagged it as a Walmart Bag – but it did kind of look like trailing flames, so I get the leap – Angry Rioter throwing something that looks like it is trailing flames, it must have been a Molotov Cocktail. Color video at night does not work well….

    The Kenosha DA’s office will have to charge Grosskreutz at some point, but don’t expect it any time soon.

    MattMusson in reply to MarkSmith. | August 29, 2020 at 8:50 am

    You can clearly see the lighted cocktail flying through the air but it does not explode. It was not fake. It was in the earliest videos released on Youtube. It is just before the earliest gunshot.

      MarkSmith in reply to MattMusson. | August 29, 2020 at 1:28 pm

      No you can’t.

      See Full video of first shooting here

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss-G-FX3Nys&bpctr=1598720406

      So the video guy is trailing a group that is going to set stuff on fire. Just before this, people are looking for lighters.

      Three groups – he says Antifa, BLM and not sure the third.

      3:46:18 You see white hoodie guy that might be part of the group that is going to set things on fire

      3:53 they are getting ready to set the truck on fire

      3:58:55 You can see Rittenhouse running up the street. Video guy is trying to get a shot of the other video guy that was assaulted and told not to video.

      3:59 is where you see him being thrown at. I did not see smoke or flame.

      There is like 8 shots and they sound different. NYT guy does an awful job at this.

    ID5791 in reply to MarkSmith. | August 29, 2020 at 7:34 pm

    “NYT is covering their butt to avoid a lawsuit”

    That makes sense. Why else would they actually try to cover this incident fairly instead of spinning it as an “alt-right racist murder spree” the way the rest of the MSM is doing?

    Maybe we should call it “The Sandmann Effect”… ?

For the legal minds out there, if Rittenhouse is a minor, they were not suppose to release his name.

Second, if they are charging him as an adult, then don’t they have to drop the charge of a minor with open carry. Either he is an adult or not?

I still think Rittenhouse was aided by a second shooter.

    the_last_l3oyscout in reply to MarkSmith. | August 28, 2020 at 10:27 pm

    I’ve always wondered about this, and hope the lawyers here can shed some light. If, and I mean if, his only crime is being 17 with a firearm, and they are trying him as an adult (which may be 17 in WI), would that stick if you have to be 18 to carry?

    Barry Soetoro in reply to MarkSmith. | August 28, 2020 at 11:19 pm

    As I understand WI law, one can carry a rifle or shotgun at 16 without adult supervision, or at 14 if you’ve passed a hunter safety course. Rittenhouse is 17.

    DaveGinOly in reply to MarkSmith. | August 29, 2020 at 12:28 am

    Rittenhouse clearly shot all three men. All were a rifle’s length away, two were in contact with Rittenhouse (both killed, with skateboard guy clearly trying to pull Rittenhouse’s rifle away from him) and the last douche bag was almost literally on top of him when he was hit. The second two were plainly hit by Rittenhouse’s fire.

    It’s just too bad that the kicker ran over the top of him before he could bring his rifle to bear. (Yesterday many were reporting the kicker had been shot, but it was already clear that they were confusing him with skateboard man.)

      MarkSmith in reply to DaveGinOly. | August 29, 2020 at 1:31 pm

      You can’t see the first one. It is behind cars so I am not sure where you are getting that. Yea the guy in the stomach is clear. The arm guy appears to be clear.

        Think38 in reply to MarkSmith. | September 3, 2020 at 1:24 am

        There is another video that shows the first shooting. Seems consistent with Rittenhouse as the shooter. Additionally, the journalist that was right there also provided statements to that effect. Last, the coroner reports indicate that Rousenbaum was hit 3 times, all consistent with the AR15 at close range. Hand wound, superficial head wound, plus a hip wound that shattered his pelvis. My guess is he bled out from the hip wound, not the head wound. He was still consciousness immediately after getting hit. Wouldn’t expect that with a fatal head shot.

    Milhouse in reply to MarkSmith. | August 30, 2020 at 10:27 am

    For the legal minds out there, if Rittenhouse is a minor, they were not suppose to release his name.

    I doubt there’s any law that says so. It would be a matter of policy, so they’re entitled to change their own policy, or make an exception. In any case it would be an internal matter, none of anyone else’s business.

    Second, if they are charging him as an adult, then don’t they have to drop the charge of a minor with open carry. Either he is an adult or not?

    No, that’s obvious nonsense. Being charged with a crime as an adult doesn’t make one an adult.

I would have wished for the authorities to have done a thorough review of evidence including autopsies before jumping to such a rapid set of charges. This seems to be a repeating formula whenever a politically protected class (in this case rioters) is “hurt”.

The Rodney King “Loot, Scoot and Shoot II” after acquittal of the police in great part hinged on the overcharging of the cops and the expected and desired outcome of the trial by the minority community…which didn’t happen. in such a politically charged environment playing solely to the perpetually aggrieved just resets the trigger to riot.

As this is unwound it will be interesting to see what the autopsy of the first “victim” shows. A short range point blank head shot with a 223 shouldn’t leave much to the imagination. The rather large (and justly received) arm wound of contestant #3 shows what a close range mess a varmint class round can do. Was contestant #1 shot by the kid? Anyway… professional rioters are not faster than a speeding bullet.

    barnesto in reply to alaskabob. | August 28, 2020 at 8:50 pm

    It’s purposeful. Overcharge knowing it won’t stick. Not guilty is the verdict. Riots ensues because no justice. Rinse, lather, repeat.

      MarkSmith in reply to barnesto. | August 28, 2020 at 9:23 pm

      That’s why they need to charge Grosskreutz and any of his accomplices.

      ID5791 in reply to barnesto. | August 29, 2020 at 8:22 pm

      Could they be overcharging to try to scare the kid into accepting a plea? As in, “this 17-year-old doesn’t really understand the law and we need to get a conviction to appease the mob”?

      Or perhaps the DA is a true-believer (like the St Louis DA) and just wants the kid in prison for daring to resist “La Revolución”…

      Either way, it is disturbing and another example of how far our justice system has fallen.

Sandman’s lawyer volunteered to be his lawyer

Here we go!

johnny dollar | August 28, 2020 at 9:50 pm

The lack of merit of these charges had to be apparent to the prosecutors at the time of filing.
Probably, consciously or subconsciously, they decided that it would be less anger directed at them if they charged him, as opposed to refusing to file.
This way, when the jury acquits (like the first Rodney King trial), the prosecutors can just blame the jury.
In other words, a riot later is better than a riot now.

buckeyeminuteman | August 28, 2020 at 10:03 pm

Kenosha Kid performed well under immense pressure. I could only wish to have that level of testicular fortitude when the race baiting low life thugs come after me and my family. The shootings were no doubt self defense. Should have included the pictures of him cleaning graffiti earlier in the day, he is a model citizen for us all to emulate.

You can find more photos and videos at http://www.thedonald.win

I think the prosecutors were trying to appease the mob and reduce further violence. I don’t think a jury will convict.

It appears to me that the kid had a violent mob, some of them armed, chasing him. One of the armed mob fired a shot, but the kid couldn’t see who fired it, so he probably thought it was the closest attacker. He was cornered, scared to death, believing he was being shot at, and shot back.

The mob instigated this first round of violence by chasing the kid, who hadn’t even done anything yet. Then someone fired a shot, scaring the kid into firing back at the closest person chasing him.

In the second round, the mob was chasing the kid and yelling at him that they were going to attack him. He fell, and they mobbed him, with one of the attackers slamming him with a skateboard and another pointing a gun at him. Once again, he was cornered and scared, and confronting armed rioters. He fired at the people who were attacking him, including the one with the weapon pointed at him.

At least that’s how it looks to me, and I suspect at least one juror will see it that way too. Some jurors are not sympathetic to rioters, some of them armed, who destroy property and chase and assault people who don’t agree with them.

    Barry Soetoro in reply to OldProf2. | August 28, 2020 at 11:22 pm

    “I think the prosecutors were trying to appease the mob and reduce further violence.”

    Isn’t that prosecutorial misconduct?

    Dave in reply to OldProf2. | August 29, 2020 at 8:40 am

    Your analysis of the shooting of Rosenbaum is spot on, not to mention that he, Rosenbaum, was trying to take Rittenhouse’s gun which had he succeeded he would have turned it on the kid. My thought is once the mob saw the young man all alone they thought that even with a gun he would submit. Turns out when you play stupid games you win stupid prizes.

It truly warms my heart to see a skateboard wielding Antifa cunt get his comeuppance.

One thing that jumps out at me in this situation…without his chest rig he’d probably be dead.

    the_last_l3oyscout in reply to Paul. | August 28, 2020 at 10:48 pm

    I noticed this the first time I saw it. If he only had a shoulder strap, he would be dead.

the_last_l3oyscout | August 28, 2020 at 10:46 pm

The one thing we don’t know is why the 36 Y/O sex offender Rosenbaum(Shoot me Ni**a), was chasing a 17 Y/O boy. Given how much we have seen so far, I have to think this video is out there.

    I am guessing that they say he left the group for a few minutes. I am guessing to talk to someone. Maybe go the bathroom? The police would not let him go back to the group so he was exposed and had to find his way back a different way.

    In his attempt to get back, I am guessing that is when they tried to ambush him. I believe it was coordinated. I bet there are more accomplices. Question is how do you get that video footage.

    In a video supposedly shot just before Rosenbaum started chasing the kid, someone who looked like the kid used a fire extinguisher to put out a flaming dumpster the rioters had just set fire to.

    We actually do know that. They recognized him as one of the people who had been defending the car dealership.

For those interested, a fund has been set up to help Kyle:

https://www.givesendgo.com/GUCZ

I donated earlier today.

    Barry in reply to Barry. | August 29, 2020 at 12:47 am

    An update from earlier this evening states that all the money donated there will be transferred to #FightBack Foundation, set up by Attorney Wood for Kyle’s defense.

Two dead. Better than none.

Funny how all three of those trying to harm Kyle and getting shot are criminals.

That’s the class of people the democrats hire to go out on the street and create mayhem.

    BillyHW in reply to Barry. | August 29, 2020 at 4:22 am

    The Democrats are the party of criminals and parasites and perverts and ¢unts.

      NoFlow in reply to BillyHW. | August 29, 2020 at 8:08 am

      President Grant called the Democrat Party the Party of Treason…. Seems they are going back to their old tricks. Don’t like the results of a vote? Just throw tantrums and start a civil war.

Biggest question in my mind is why did the police send him into the mob alone and separated from the group?? They knew who he was, as they gave him a water bottle and he had been interviewed 3x

    Milhouse in reply to elle. | August 30, 2020 at 10:43 am

    They did not know who he was, and they did not send him anywhere. Policemen (not these ones) were handing out water to everyone, and these ones were busy going to help the people who’d just been shot and didn’t have time to worry about some kid holding his hands up and not an apparent threat to anyone, let alone in need of assistance.

mike nifong the entire prosecution team against Kyle Rittenhouse if they continue down the path of political prosecution versus Rule of Law. We can’t stop at removal from office. Disbarment, Elimination of immunity if bias is proved, exposure to personal and private lawsuits. The democrats have ALWAYS supported this model when democrat administrations were in power. Why do we get lindsay graham types scared of their own shadows who NEVER fight for right against the left?

Barry Soetoro | August 29, 2020 at 5:27 am

Looks like the crooked commie who took a bullet in his chest pulled an Ahmaud Arbery by grabbing the barrel of Rittenhouse’s AR-15. Grabbing the barrel of a man’s (or boy’s) gun is almost a guaranteed way to shoot yourself.

Can anyone answer a question about the proscuter please? Is there anything to be done in cases if prosecution by PC mentality? Can the young man sue- is it defamation that his name was released- why did the police observe what was happening but were not acting to stop the riot or protect the businesses- who made that decision? Is there a simple fix? Knowing that nothing is simple in this stir the pot of race war, rent a mob world.

    Milhouse in reply to mamamia. | August 30, 2020 at 10:44 am

    Unfortunately it’s almost impossible to prevail in such a case. Not completely impossible, but almost. Nifong is the only case I can think of where justice was done.

Here is an additional perspective from an eyewitness who was interviewed on WIBA (Madison, WI) yesterday. It is a long audio clip, but it is one of the militia guys that was with Rittenhouse that night. Interesting tidbit: He mentions being bombarded with chorine gas generators (bottles filled with bleach and ammonia) that night:
https://wiba.iheart.com/featured/vicki-mckenna/content/2020-08-28-walt-joins-vicki-mckenna-to-talk-about-the-kyle-rittenhouse-situation/

It was only a matter of time before someone would have to defend themselves and would be properly outfitted to do so. More blood on the hands of the democrats.

Hitler Youth who illegally crossed state line with an AR so he could live out his Blue Pig police state fantasies.

Play stupid games…

    alaskabob in reply to cgray451. | August 29, 2020 at 12:01 pm

    Score so far…. “Hitler Youth” 3 – Antifa Maoists 0 . Care to dance contestant #4?

    Barry in reply to cgray451. | August 29, 2020 at 12:05 pm

    “Play stupid games…”

    And dumbass bastards like you get shot. It’s just the beginning. Unleash a few of us and you marxists will all be wormfood.

    Apparently you are unable to count.

    Sanddog in reply to cgray451. | August 29, 2020 at 2:44 pm

    1. Even the ADL has admitted Rittenhouse isn’t a “Nazi” or “White supremacist”.

    2. He didn’t bring a firearm across state lines. Rittenhouse worked in Kenosa and met with a friend after work who was also going to be monitoring the riots. He borrowed the AR-15 from his friend and was in a group that included his adult brother who was watching over him.

    3. Everything you know about this is wrong. I imagine you probably don’t care.

    MarkSmith in reply to cgray451. | August 29, 2020 at 7:50 pm

    Dead Gray Matter needs to go back to playing video games. Sorry Charlie, your assessment is way off. Grow up. Clear case of self defense. No foul on kids part. Babies need to stop there temper tantrum and quit rioting, looting and breaking the law.

    Kid probably did more positive things in one day to help others out than you did in your whole lifetime.

More information is out now.
1. Rittenhouse tried to turn himself in after the shootings but was told to leave the area.
2. Rittenhouse turned himself in to his local PD when he returned to Antioch.
3. Illinois judge has ruled that Kyle can remain in Illinois until a hearing occurs on the 24th of September so that his new private attorneys can meet with him.

regardless of the order of the shootings, seems that the intentions of the mob/pursuers is clear–they weren’t intent on kicking the young man’s ass, they obviously meant to maim/kill him–he was retreating, was very nearly overwhelmed,and responded with deadly force to preserve his life–those seem to be the facts as substantiated by the videoed actions of the young man, the mob and even the afteraction comments of the wounded assailant

kudos to the young man

hope lin wood is successful in the young man’s defense

You mean, the New York Lies goes against its usual practices?

Makes me wonder about its motive.

BierceAmbrose | August 29, 2020 at 11:12 am

A taunting mob *is* a deadly threat.

Once they detain you illegally, that shows intent — they’re gonna inflict on you whatever they want, using the ovetwhelming, deadly force of their numbers.

Once it looks like a pack of hyenas harassing at their isolated prey … that’s what it is, and what they have planned for you.

    MarkSmith in reply to BierceAmbrose. | August 29, 2020 at 10:17 pm

    If you look at the link I posted, the narrator is telling us that the crowd is broken in to 3 groups and they are tell everyone not to video because they are getting ready to do a felony arson on the joint. There is footage of them spraying the vehicles with liter fluid and trying to burn one of the cars.

    Yes, this is a peaceful crowd. Going to look bad when the media get sue over this by Mr. Wood.

Facing a mob is justification for standard magazines. Limiting mag size benefits the Dems Leftist mobs.

Is the video of Rittenhouse falling in the middle of the street and getting jumped the first kill? I noticed there were a lot of gunshots after the first 2-3 (which presumably were the ones that killed his attacker). Who the heck is firing them?

Those three Bolsheviks got what was coming to them. I’m only sorry he didn’t get more.

FAAFO

Another one, this is an AR-15-style rifle, *not* an assault rifle. It’s important not to conflate (but I did drafting and posting this tweet):

It sounds like he still doesn’t understand that the AR-15 is not an assault rifle. It sounds like he thinks this one wasn’t because it wasn’t a real AR-15, just “AR-15-style”, i.e. fake, like “kosher style”.

AFascinating moment-by-moment thread of Kenosha shooter #KyleRittenhouse’s movements Tuesday evening that left two people dead. SPOILER: It’s more complicated than anyone thinks.

Doesn’t seem very complicated to me. He sounds like a wonderful young man with a sense of civic responsibility from another era.

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