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Five Years Ago: George Zimmerman Found Not Guilty

Five Years Ago: George Zimmerman Found Not Guilty

The media circus around the trial gave rise to numerous myths and falsehoods, all of which blurred the facts of the case.

Has it really been five years?

Five years ago today, Zimmerman was acquitted in the nasty, public and over-politicized trial following the death of Trayvon Martin.

Andrew Branca covered the case extensively. When the verdict was announced he blogged:

The State prosecutors, including the until recently rarely-seen Angela Corey, are currently providing interviews to the press, essentially re-arguing their catastrophically failed courtroom arguments. From this commentator’s perspective, they are simply in complete denial and/or in full-blown CYA mode, no matter how often they say they respect the decision of the jury.

It is also remarkable how frequently both Angela Corey and Bernie de la Rionda are explicitly re-affirming their support of the Second Amendment and self-defense–perhaps they sense the “seething rage, ill-will, spite, and hatred” they may well have engendered among the community of law-abiding gun-owners and CWL owners in Florida.

Reactions from around the web can be found at this post: includes press conference videos of key people connected to the trial, photos of demonstrators outside the Florida courthouse, tweets/photos/videos related to current and scheduled “Justice for Trayvon” marches, verdict reactions from Twitter and embedded feeds for key Twitter hashtags.

Shortly thereafter, Professor Jacobson discussed why the jury got the Zimmerman verdict right on local radio:

The media circus around the trial gave rise to numerous myths and falsehoods, all of which blurred the facts of the case. On the third anniversary of Zimmerman’s acquittal, Branca blogged:

I suppose it’s to be expected that on the third anniversary of Trayvon Martin’s terrible, horrible, no good, very bad victim selection day we would get to enjoy a resurgence of the many false narratives surrounding Martin’s attack on George Zimmerman, Zimmerman’s self-defense, the circus of Sharpton-led protests, the politically-driven prosecution, and the resulting acquittal.

Back when this was all going on in real time I had the pleasure of writing several posts that gutted the worst of the memes.  It seems, then, that the most appropriate response to the re-emergence of these lies is to re-post their evidence-and law-based rebuttals.

Here I’ll just point to the myths I busted at length in my own posts–I’ll defer on the other related nonsense, such as the ubiquitous portrayal of the 17-year-old Martin using a picture of him at age 12 (a more age-appropriate “selfie” of Martin is featured above), and the lightening of photos of George Zimmerman to place greater emphasis on the “white” rather than the “Hispanic.”

For detailed dissection, see the links below:

Zimmerman Trial Myth Busters: Did Zimmerman disobey police orders to stay in car? A: No. 

Zimmerman Trial Myth Busters: Did Zimmerman “Chase Down” a Fleeing Martin? A: No.

Zimmerman Trial Myth Busters: Did Zimmerman really “racially profile” Martin? A: No.

Zimmerman Prosp. Juror E7: “no conclusions,” but posted on pro-Trayvon, anti-Zimmerman site containing threat against Zimmerman

ZIMMERMAN TRIAL BLOCKBUSTER — TRANSCRIPT — Eyewitness Good: Black guy in black hoodie on top punching down Mixed Martial Arts style

Evidentiary Flashback: Investigator Serino Tells FBI He Was Pressured to Bring Charges

Investigator Chris Serino Demoted to Patrolman by Superiors

Implosion: Police Testify Trayvon’s Father Originally Denied Son Was Screaming

Breaking – Jury will not get to see Trayvon fighting texts

Mid-Day 4 — West’s Cross-Examination of Rachel Jeantel

The Zimmerman Files: Aggregated day-by-day live coverage & analysis

Lies About Zimmerman Trial Just Keep Coming

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they tried to railroad him… and almost succeeded.

    moderateinmiddle in reply to redc1c4. | July 13, 2018 at 7:52 pm

    Nonsense. This clown, the real thug George Zimmerman railroaded himself.

    No one told Zimmerman to go after, accost, grab and take down and kill Trayvon Martin. Martin was going about his business walking and talking on the phone and Zimmerman flipped out.
    That’s what happens when you have a hotheaded idiot like Zimmerman on neighborhood watch, who already not only had a reputation for blowing his temper and getting into confrontations with strangers (he’d been arrested for assaulting a police officer and had been fired from a bouncing job for losing his cool and assaulting a woman), but actually had several complaints filed on him for confronting people in the neighborhood.

    Without a doubt, if we can believe Martin called Zimmerman a creepy ass cracker, which he is, then we can believe Martin told Zimmerman to get off of him when his phone was cut off. Especially since Martin’s hoodie was yanked out and the only one who could have done that was Zimmerman.

    It was Zimmerman who put his hands on Martin and attacked Martin. Martin didn’t just turn into the incredible hulk while talking on the phone and start wailing on somebody for no reason like it has been claimed.

    The only reason Zimmerman was found “not guilty” was because he had two prosecutors who couldn’t even tie their own shoes. They didn’t even prep their own witnesses.

    Zimmerman railroaded himself. Screw the real thug Zimmerman.

      Thank you for this completely fact-free post.

      You have been listening to the wrong people and, as a result, have this completely backwards.

      Zimmierman saw Amertin, an non-resident of the complex, walking through the parking lot in the rain. He calls police. As he is on the phone with police, he sees martin walk between the buildnigs, in the direction of a pedestrian gate to the ajoining public street. He follows, but never regains sight of Martin. He assumes that Martin has left the complex and hangs up with police and walks back to his truck. As he arrives at the intersecting walkway, he encounters Martin. All of this is corroborated by phone conversations and telephone witnesses. Martin, in the mean time, has walked all of the way, or nearly all of the way, to his father’s unit, while Zimmerman is walking to the pedestrian gate. He decides to return to where Zimmerman is, for some obscure reason. He encounters Zimmerman and engages in a fistfight with him, after asking Zimmerman if he {Z} has a problem with him{M}. We know this from Dee-dee’s testimony at the trial. Zimmerman says that he was reaching into his pocket for his cell phone, to contact the police, when Martin punched him. There was never any evidence produced that Zimmerman attacked Martin. Now, a case can be made that Martin, feared that Zimmerman was reaching for a weapon, when he hit him. This might have made the initial blow reasonable self defense. However, if this was the case, there was no reason for Martin to straddle Zimmerman, who he had just knocked to the ground and continue to beat him for the next 45 seconds to a minute, while Zimmerman lie prone, crying for help. Martin could simply have scampered off to his father’s unit while Zimmerman was lying on the ground. We know this to be the facts based upon independent witnesses statements taken at the time of the incident [some of these statements were later changed at the request of an unknown party]. Now, this is the point upon the entire case revolved. Zimmerman, stated that he feared that Martin would beat him to death, so he drew his pistol and shot Martin once. martin stood up and felt over. He died right there. The point in dispute was whether Zimmerman had a well-founded and reasonable belief that Martin would continue the attack and that, if unchecked, would cause Zimmerman’s death of great bodily harm. And, that use of deadly force was necessary to stop the attack.

      Whether Zimmerman left his truck or not is irrelevant. he had every right to do so. Whether Zimmerman needed to be between the building or not is irrelevant. He had every right to be there. If Zimmerman or Martin threw the first punch is of slightly more relevance, but in light of the following actions, not of much greater relevance. The whole case rested on the fact that martin brutally beat Zimmerman, as he lay on the ground, for nearly a minute, before Zimmerman drew his pistol and shot him. Martin’s actions clearly suggest that, even if he initially struck Zimmerman in self defense, his continued beating of Zimmerman went far beyond justifiable self defense and into criminal assault. And, the nature and the duration of the attack strongly supported a reasonable use of deadly force in lawful self defense.

      Gremlin1974 in reply to moderateinmiddle. | July 13, 2018 at 8:49 pm

      Let me sum up your post.

      “SCREEEEEEEE BULL$HIT, BULL$HIT, SCREEEEEE, RACISM, SCREEEEEE, I’M AN IDIOT!”

      Yep that about covers it.

      1moderateinmiddle…

      Useful idiot.

      moderateinmiddle = commietothecore

        Olinser in reply to Barry. | July 14, 2018 at 1:18 am

        The first law of the internet is that anybody that puts their political affiliation in their username is a liar.

        Similar to the law of countries. The most oppressive dictatorships always have names that sound ridiculously over-the-top free – e.g. Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR), the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuala, etc.

          Fen in reply to Olinser. | July 14, 2018 at 1:41 am

          Yup.

          We have “A Reasonable Man” over at Althouse. As expected, he is the most unreasonable of the lot.

          And who can forget “common sense” gun control advocates who still confused semi with auto, clip with mag, and don’t forget “that thing that folds up to shoot rocjets”, otherwise known as a sling keeper.

          But what I love best is the rank stupidity of such Argument by Assertion. He thinks calling himself “moderate” is tricky, when it’s really just a tell that he’s holding a pair of douches.. er dueces.

          NoFlow in reply to Olinser. | July 15, 2018 at 12:31 am

          Resist Socialist Oppression!

      George Zimmerman is a national hero. Extinguishing Trayvon was a public service, Zimmerman should receive a Medal of Freedom Award for his service to Sanford, the State of Florida and the entire U.S. who have suffered under the myth of the “content of their character”.

      We have seen the content of their character, as portrayed by deceptive media, while trying to sell a narrative that never existed.

      Thank goodness George did not have to experience Michael Brown while acting out his content of Missouri character.

        moderateinmiddle in reply to NotKennedy. | July 14, 2018 at 2:42 pm

        George the real thug Zimmerman is damn sure lucky he didn’t end up like Michael Brown since Zimmerman attacked and assaulted a police officer who identified himself and warned Zimmerman to leave him alone.

          moderateinmiddle = commietothecore

          And dumber than dog doodoo.

          Milhouse in reply to moderateinmiddle. | July 15, 2018 at 9:04 am

          He shoved an undercover cop who was arresting his friend. He paid the appropriate price; he was arrested, and then allowed to attend a class in return for having the charge dismissed. But at no point did he ever give that officer cause for concern about being in any danger, so there was never any prospect of his ending up like Michael Brown. Had he behaved like Brown he would have ended up like him.

        NoFlow in reply to NotKennedy. | July 15, 2018 at 12:40 am

        IMO Zimmerman is a douche bag.

        Regarding Martin, Zimmerman did what he was there for – Neighborhood Watch. Zimmerman lost sight of Martin and got out of his car, not knowing that Martin had doubled back. Then he was jumped and had to fight for his life.

        Martin could have gone into his Dad’s Girlfriend’s condo and lived to burgle another day.

        Zimmerman was almost railroaded.

          What, exactly, is your basis for concluding Zimmerman = douchebag?

          –Andrew

          http://www.lawofselfdefense.com/patreon

          I mean, I don’t mean to disparage some anonymous commenter, unwilling to disclose his own identity, throwing around the “douchebag”, but … yeah, I guess I am. Let me ask you–when have you performed better than George Zimmerman did when he found himself the subject of a deadly force attack? He fired one shot, solved the problem, and waited for the police, after having of course been in virtually constant communication with the police prior. Share with us your superior experience.

          –Andrew

          http://www.lawofselfdefense.com/patreon

          hrhdhd in reply to NoFlow. | July 15, 2018 at 5:24 am

          Since the trial (and I am willing to grant possibly as a result), Zimmerman has not shown himself to have great judgment or self control.

          “Since the trial …” You mean since the state of Florida spent 14 months and did everything in its power to put him in prison for the rest of his life, when he’d one nothing wrong? Costing him his job, his marriage, every asset and resource? You mean since the New Black Panther’s put out “wanted dead or alive” posters on him? You mean since random strangers tried to shoot him through the head as he drove to a doctor’s appointment? You mean since the media falsely but successfully painted him as the most hated racist in America? You mean since he’s essentially had to go into hiding for the rest of his life.

          You think that might have a negative affect on a person’s personality and behavior? You think that YOU would come out of that experience a better functioning human than you went into it?

          Oofah.

          –Andrew

          http://www.lawofselfdefense.com/patreon

          hrhdhd in reply to NoFlow. | July 15, 2018 at 10:04 am

          Yes, actually, in fewer words, that’s what I meant.

          hrhdhd in reply to NoFlow. | July 15, 2018 at 10:05 am

          And he’s done a lousy job of hiding. He should ask Casey Anthony for tips.

      “That’s retarded, sir”

      JohnInFlorida in reply to moderateinmiddle. | July 14, 2018 at 8:33 am

      @moderateinmiddle: as was said in the clip … you are entitled to your own opinion, but not entitled to your own facts.
      None of what you claim in your post are the investigated, verified, facts of the case.

      JusticeDelivered in reply to moderateinmiddle. | July 15, 2018 at 10:08 am

      Trayvon Martin did receive lawful justice, his parents and culture failed him. Black Liars Matter, they are so bad at it, that probably has something to do with an average IQ of 85. Low IQ is closely associated with higher propensity to break laws, and that is why black crime rates are over seven times higher (per capita) as whites.

    Gremlin1974 in reply to redc1c4. | July 13, 2018 at 9:25 pm

    Railroaded? I mean come on that’s a bit strong, I mean it only took replacing the police chief who said it was self defense, demoting the investigating Detective who said it was self defense, overruling the prosecutor who said it was self defense. Then the nutless governor appointing a special prosecutor because of media pressure. Then the Special Prosecutor using what is agreed in all legal circles to be one of the worst and most unethical charging documents in pretty much history and made her the subject of much scorn. Oh and using that document instead of putting the case before the currently seated Grand Jury who had time on their docket to hear the case (because she knew it would get laughed out of the Grand Jury).

    Even after all of that plus the prosecution illegally withholding evidence, having a handpicked judge (who was so bias it would have been comical had a mans life not been on the line), having the entire media on their side for months before the trial. Even after all of that the prosecution’s case was so well imaginary that the defense only called I think less than 10% of the witnesses they had intended, because the prosecution had made it very clear that there was no evidence that Zimmerman did anything but defend himself.

    But railroaded? Nawwww! /sarc off.

      moderateinmiddle in reply to Gremlin1974. | July 13, 2018 at 9:45 pm

      ” demoting the investigating Detective “…who actually did recommend manslaughter charge for Zimmerman….oops!

      ” the prosecution illegally withholding evidence” The pictures of Trayvon Martin flipping the bird like lots of other teens and talking about marijuana like lots of other teens…whoa that sure had a lot to do with the case right?

        moderateinmiddle = commietothecore

        Gremlin1974 in reply to moderateinmiddle. | July 13, 2018 at 10:24 pm

        Actually the original detective didn’t recommend Manslaughter, it was the one they replace him with.

        Char Char Binks in reply to moderateinmiddle. | July 14, 2018 at 12:12 pm

        4:09 p.m. EST, June 26, 2012|
        By Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel

        “The lead Sanford police investigator in the Trayvon Martin shooting was transferred Tuesday from detective work to being a simple street cop, the department confirmed.

        Chris Serino had asked for the change, the department said.

        He will become a uniform patrol officer and work the night shift, said police spokesman Sgt. David Morgenstern.

        Serino is not being demoted, Morgenstern said, and his rate of pay is unaffected.”

        ROFLMAO!

        Serino only recommended charges under great pressure, including from the FBI, and his testimony in court was a big reason for the verdict.

        JusticeDelivered in reply to moderateinmiddle. | July 15, 2018 at 10:12 am

        ModerateInMiddle = Dull Witted Liar

Antifundamentalist | July 13, 2018 at 7:52 pm

I didn’t closely follow the media circus, but I did make a point of listening to the Unedited 911 call. That pretty much told us everything we needed to know: Zimmerman completely lost sight of Martin and returned to his truck to wait for police. So. How did Martin end up in an altercation with Zimmerman? He had escaped. He was free to return to his Aunt’s house. Instead, he came back, making him the aggressor in the altercation that ended his life.

    moderateinmiddle in reply to Antifundamentalist. | July 13, 2018 at 7:58 pm

    ” Zimmerman completely lost sight of Martin and returned to his truck to wait for police.”
    Yeah, Martin must have had telekinetic powers to transport Zimmerman from his truck to him, grab him and make his phone shut off. The same reason why Zimmerman looked for addresses BEHIND the houses when 1) he lived in that neighborhood for three years 2) there were only three streets and 3) he was neighborhood watch and should have known that addresses are not BEHIND houses.
    ” He was free to return to his Aunt’s house. ” Zimmerman was free to return to his truck and wait for police, instead he chose to go after and attack Martin just like Zimmerman has gone after and attacked many other people over the years, including a police officer.

      ConradCA in reply to moderateinmiddle. | July 13, 2018 at 8:38 pm

      There are still racists and idiots who ignore the evidence presented at trial and insist that Zimmerman murdered baby Trayvon.

      I have fought them over the Internet for years.

      Zimmerman was outside of his truck getting info for the police operator when she told him he didn’t need to follow the prowler. He said ok and started back to his truck talking to the operator about meeting up with the police. Finally he told her that he would wait in his truck and that the officer should call him.

      At the same Trayvon was in his yard talking to his friend J. He told J that he was going to teach the crazy axed cracker a lesson.

      The location of the fight was quite a distance away from Trayvon’s home so he must have ran to Zimmerman where they fought.

      Zimmerman was beaten up while Trayvon’s only injuries were to his hands. A witness saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman pinning his arms with his knees and raining blows down on Zimmerman’s unprotected head. This is a use of deadly force by Trayvon.

      Furthermore, the back of Zimmerman’s head showed injures from bashing it into concrete which is a second use of deadly force.

      The use of deadly force by Trayvon justified Zimmerman’s use of deadly force which is why he was found not guilty by reason of self defense.

      Whit this evidence which was supported by forensic evidence the only people who think Zimmerman committed murder are racists or idiots.

      Maxine Waters is posting on this blog?

      moderateinmiddle = commietothecore

      moderateinthe middle

      Horse Shit Purveyor

      ” Zimmerman was free to return to his truck and wait for police, instead he chose to go after and attack Martin”

      You misunderstood the point. Whatever altercation Zimmerman and Martin initially had, once Martin had retreated to the safety of his Aunt’s place, THAT incident was OVER as far as the justice system is concerned.

      But Martin was the one who chose to begin a NEW altercation by doubling back to the original scene and ambushing Zimmerman. In doing so, he became the aggressor and could therefore be shot in self-defense.

        Gremlin1974 in reply to Fen. | July 14, 2018 at 10:07 am

        I understand your point, however, I think it is important to understand that there was only one “altercation” and that is the one started by Martin which lead to his death. I say that because of the whole “armed man stalked poor little black boy” (aka St. Trayvon of the Sacred Hoodie).

        Yes, Zimmerman did see Martin and follow him in his vehicle, he did get out of his vehicle to follow Martin, he did go between the buildings, and he did all of this while carrying his legally purchased and carried firearm.

        What people like ‘Moroninthemiddle’ don’t like to admit is that none of that matters, because none of it is illegal in the slightest and has nothing to do with the confrontation that ended Martin’s life, which by all evidence Martin started by confronting Zimmerman from hiding, knocking him down, straddling him and then beating Zimmerman about the face and head. What people like ‘Moroninthemiddle’ like to leave out is that Zimmerman wasn’t static during the first part of the “fight” he would have been defending and moving which would have mitigated some of the damage to his face and explains why they weren’t still on the concrete but on the grass.

        But you know things like facts, logic, and reason don’t make for a good narrative.

          Milhouse in reply to Gremlin1974. | July 15, 2018 at 9:28 am

          Well, it had something to do with the confrontation that ended Martin’s life; it’s what got Martin upset at Zimmerman and motivated his attack on him. I mean Martin didn’t choose his victim at random; he wasn’t in the habit of attacking random people and attempting to murder them. He chose this victim because he felt he had disrespected him and hurt his feelings, by treating his suspicious behavior with suspicion.

tarheelkate | July 13, 2018 at 7:55 pm

The Holder Justice department stoked the flames of racial conflict by sending Justice Dept. people down to Sanford, Florida, to facilitate protests. They did the same number in Ferguson, Missouri, the following year. Obama and Holder are directly to blame for much of the racialist animosity we’re seeing in the country today. Shame on them.

    moderateinmiddle in reply to tarheelkate. | July 13, 2018 at 8:09 pm

    ” The Holder Justice department stoked the flames of racial conflict by sending Justice Dept. people down to Sanford, Florida, to facilitate protests. They did the same number in Ferguson, Missouri, the following year. Obama and Holder are directly to blame for much of the racialist animosity we’re seeing in the country today. Shame on them. Shame on you for having your deluded fantasies. There have been several other cases similar to Zimmerman’s in which a non-white neighborhood watchman freaked out when he saw one black guy and disaster ensued when that neighborhood watchman assumed he was Batman and sprung into action to try to save the world when that black person was minding their own business.

    Obama and Holder got involved after the case gained notoriety since it was clear that Martin’s race was the reason why Zimmerman went after him according to Zimmerman’s own defense lawyers.
    The Ferguson case was about the Ferguson community’s tension with the police and not just the Michael Brown case in itself.
    The DOJ conducted two investigations and found that Wilson was justified but the community was also justified in their outrage over the police.

    The Martin/Zimmerman and Ferguson cases are NOT the only interracial cases involving black victims that have happened in history or even during Obama’s presidency. The fact that you and other conservatives act like it and think Obama “is to blame of racialist animosity” shows how out of touch you are.

    Oh yeah, next you’ll be telling me the B.S. claim that Zimmerman had to shoot Martin because Martin gripped Zimmerman’s fat bald head in the rain and slammed it dozens of times on the concrete…when the evidence showed that Zimmerman shot Martin on the grass lawn yards away from the concrete.

      tarheelkate in reply to moderateinmiddle. | July 13, 2018 at 8:16 pm

      The evidence showed nothing of the kind. I refer you to Andrew Branca’s extensive coverage of the trial on this site.

      Dathurtz in reply to moderateinmiddle. | July 13, 2018 at 8:24 pm

      I suggest you go (re?)read the links provided. You may need to go rewatch the trial (I think the entirety of it is on YouTube). You seem to assume facts that are simply without support.

        lpdbw in reply to Dathurtz. | July 13, 2018 at 8:33 pm

        You seem to assume facts that are simply without support.

        Facts are raciss.

        moderateinmiddle in reply to Dathurtz. | July 13, 2018 at 8:48 pm

        “You may need to go rewatch the trial ” I saw the trial when it aired.

        Anyone who saw the trial would have seen, among other things, that the prosecution spent very, very little if absolutely any time preparing their witnesses, the defense changing Zimmerman’s story, the prosecution making stupid mistakes like what is in the video on this page which was bringing a mannequin instead of a live demonstration then letting the defense have it and changing Zimmerman’s story
        (remember the key thing everybody loves to repeat from Zimmerman’s story: Martin gripped Zimmerman’s bald fat head and slammed it dozens of times on the concrete even though Zimmerman shot Martin on the grass lawn yards away from the concrete? Instead of grabbing the mannequin’s head the way Zimmerman claimed in his ridiculous story, Mark O’Mara grabbed the mannequin BY THE SHOULDERS, and BODY SLAMMED it repeatedly while sitting on the mannequin’s THIGHS),

        I saw the defense witness make nonsensical claims that were unchallenged by the prosecution (Vincent DiMaio claimed that Martin was “leaning over” Zimmerman when Zimmerman shot him. The problem was….Vincent Di Maio actually admitted right there on the stand that he was not only unfamiliar with hoodies, but worse, that he had NOT CONDUCTED ANY EXPERIMENTS TO PROVE HIS CLAIM. The prosecution just sat back instead of ripping Di Maio apart the same way Di Maio was discredited in MULTIPLE OTHER high profile cases)

        What else? I saw the prosecution fail to mention the law of self defense to the jury. You have to be in reasonable fear of imminent serious bodily injury or death. You can’t claim “self defense” of someone gripping your fat bald wet head and slamming it dozens of times on concrete….when you shot them on the grass lawn yards away from the concrete. Zimmerman lied, period.

        I saw the prosecution make some of the dumbest mistakes ever seen in any high profile trial like playing footage of Zimmerman’s interview with Sean Hannity….which admitted Zimmerman’s testimony to the jury without cross-examination.

        I saw what was said after the trial, that the prosecution failed to ensure the jury was properly sequestered. Example: one of the jurors had a book deal set up IMMEDIATELY at the end of the trial.

        WHAT do I need to go back and rewatch this trial for?

          Gremlin1974 in reply to moderateinmiddle. | July 13, 2018 at 8:54 pm

          And the reason you saw all of that is because you are a bigot who went into the case with the predetermined mindset of Zimmerman being guilty.

          So, your working hypothesis is that the prosecution intentionally performed poorly in order to…what, exactly?

          You need to rewatch because you should notice:

          1) The prosecution failed to provide evidence that GZ initiated contact with TM. In fact, their witness J provided reasonable doubt.

          2) The prosecution failed to produce any evidence that GZ did not have a reasonable fear of death/serious harm. In fact, it was demonstrated that GZ was on the ground being pounded while he screamed for help.

          The prosecution could not make a case because there was no evidence that was inconsistent with GZ being not guilty. Simple as that.

          How odd that the 12 jurors who were actually there participating in the trial saw none of what mod claims to have seen.

          moderateinmiddle = commietothecore

          Char Char Binks in reply to moderateinmiddle. | July 14, 2018 at 12:26 pm

          Zimmerman claimed Martin struck him an uncounted number of times in the head and face, and that was backed up by Jonathan Good’s testimony. That would most likely have caused his head to hit the sidewalk, even if the rest of his body was on the grass,

        hrhdhd in reply to Dathurtz. | July 13, 2018 at 9:40 pm

        As Hamlet said to Gertrude, ‘Seems,’ madam? Nay it is. I know not ‘seems.'”

          Dathurtz in reply to hrhdhd. | July 14, 2018 at 11:24 am

          Sometimes I strive for politeness. After all, there is always the off chance it was me that was misremembering.

      ConradCA in reply to moderateinmiddle. | July 13, 2018 at 8:51 pm

      What evidence proves that Zimmerman and Trayvon fought a long way away from the sidewalk.

      Also, how do you explain the concrete inflicted injuries to the back of Zimmerman’s head?

        moderateinmiddle in reply to ConradCA. | July 13, 2018 at 9:03 pm

        (aside from that Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin on the grass lawn yards away from the concrete)
        How DO you explain the two superficial scratches on Zimmerman’s fat bald head, especially since Zimmerman ADAMANTLY REFUSED to have a doctor look at them (hmmmm, it wouldn’t have anything to do with ruining his story when the doctor sees the scratches are just that, scratches, now would it? hmmmm), not to mention Zimmerman did not even show signs of having a minor concussion.

        Kind of funny. Imagine having Curly of the Three Stooges having a safe falling on his fat bald head.

        There are in shape, conditioned football players with strong necks who were helmets, they get tackled on the football field just once, and they are out COLD.

        A guy with a bald head gets his bald head jerked on concrete DOZENS OF TIMES and doesn’t even get a minor concussion, no spinal fluid from his ears, no neck pain, no hemorrhaging, no fracture, etc. and only winds up with two superficial scratches that he needs just band aids for the next day? Hilarious.

          moderateinmiddle = commietothecore

          Char Char Binks in reply to moderateinmiddle. | July 14, 2018 at 12:20 pm

          The injuries were “superficial” only because they were on the surface, but they indicated a head being beaten against concrete, deadly force to anyone but a moron like you who has no brain.

          Char Char Binks in reply to moderateinmiddle. | July 14, 2018 at 5:14 pm

          Less than two yards away from the sidewalk is not “yards away”. Google the pics.

          Gremlin1974 in reply to moderateinmiddle. | July 16, 2018 at 12:24 am

          Oh so they law says that you have to be severely injured before you can use deadly force in self defense…..Oh wait, no it doesn’t! In fact it is not required that you be injured at all. The fact that Zimmerman had injuries only supports his story.

          Also, it doesn’t matter if he got his head banged into the concrete 1 or 100 times, once is enough, especially when it’s combined with someone holding the person down and raining repeated blows to their head and face.

          But once again, don’t let facts get in the way of a good delusion.

        moderateinmiddle in reply to ConradCA. | July 13, 2018 at 9:03 pm

        (aside from that Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin on the grass lawn yards away from the concrete)
        How DO you explain the two superficial scratches on Zimmerman’s fat bald head, especially since Zimmerman ADAMANTLY REFUSED to have a doctor look at them (hmmmm, it wouldn’t have anything to do with ruining his story when the doctor sees the scratches are just that, scratches, now would it? hmmmm), not to mention Zimmerman did not even show signs of having a minor concussion.

        Kind of funny. Imagine having Curly of the Three Stooges having a safe falling on his fat bald head.

        There are in shape, conditioned football players with strong necks who were helmets, they get tackled on the football field just once, and they are out COLD.

        A guy with a bald head gets his bald head jerked on concrete DOZENS OF TIMES and doesn’t even get a minor concussion, no spinal fluid from his ears, no neck pain, no hemorrhaging, no fracture, etc. and only winds up with two superficial scratches that he needs just band aids for the next day? Hilarious.

        Gremlin1974 in reply to ConradCA. | July 13, 2018 at 9:04 pm

        He doesn’t need actual facts or evidence, because he is more enlightened than the rest of us, lol.

      Sorry, the whole point of the Zimmerman arrest was to facilitate a civil suit against the housing complex. An arrest was needed to proceed with the lawsuit. Zimmerman became collateral damage when the race-baiters got involved.

      Ferguson was the case of an strong armed robber being stopped bu a police officer who he then attacked, beat and attempted to disarm. As he was fleeing the officer told him to stop. Brown, then turned and charged at the officer in a highly aggressive manner. The officer shot him. It would have been a righteous defensive shooting if any member of the community had done it, let alone a LEO.

      Just prvious tyo these two cases, we have the case of the black college professor whose neighbor saw fumbling with his front door in a suspicious manner. She called the police who responded andf found the professor inside the house. The professor claimed that it was his residence. The officer made a reason request for the professor to provide some identification. The professor began to harangue him, but did produce ID. The officer checked it, thanked the professor for his assistance and left. The professor followed him all the way back to his patrol car haranguing him and causing a disturbance sufficient to disturb the neighbors. The officer called his supervisor who responded. As the professor was still loudly haranguing the officers, causing a public disturbance and refusing to return to hos house, the police did what they always do in such cases, they arrested him for DOC.

      In all of these instances, the race-baiters, including the POTUS got involved against the actions of the police. In all three cases, the race-baiters and the POTUS were WRONG.

      If thew Professor was white, nothing would have been said about his arrest. If Martin had been white, there would not have been nearly the uproar which ensued. If Brown were white, this would have been a non-issue. But, these three were all black. So, it was the apocalypse. There was definitely racism involved in these three cases. But, it was not directed toward the black people involved.

        Gremlin1974 in reply to Mac45. | July 13, 2018 at 9:05 pm

        Well put.

        moderateinmiddle in reply to Mac45. | July 13, 2018 at 9:18 pm

        Yep, an elderly man with a cane is definitely a burglar, right?

        I’m sure if Martin had been white we wouldn’t have heard about the case since the authorities wouldn’t have bought Zimmerman’s story and let him go after a few hours of half assed questioning. Zimmerman very likely would have also had to lay down and physically demonstrate how he pulled his gun out from his ASS and was able to get one square shot to Martin’s heart behind the photo button Martin was wearing.
        It definitely would have been it for Zimmerman when Zimmerman admitted to the police that it was not him screaming on the tape, nevermind the fact that the scream ended immediately at the exact instant the shot was fired.

        Again, the Michael Brown case in of itself was a justified shooting. The issue was the problems that the community of Ferguson had with the Ferguson Police Department that went back years.
        Again, the DOJ conducted TWO investigations. The first one into the shooting of Brown in itself, which was justified. The other into the community’s complaints about the police, which WAS FOUNDED.
        https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/press-releases/attachments/2015/03/04/ferguson_police_department_report_1.pdf

        “race baiters” didn’t get involved until the families involved invited them to call attention for the police to do their job and arrest the suspect, in this case the real thug Zimmerman. Try again.

        There have been plenty of other cases involving unarmed black victims shot by non black suspects or non-black police that didn’t get anywhere near the attention those cases did because those cases didn’t have the same controversies surrounding them.

        Just having someone unarmed killed who was black by somebody who was white or not black is not in of itself the reason why the Martin/Zimmerman and Ferguson cases made the news. Wingnut conservatives seem to have a very, very difficult time understanding that.

          moderateinmiddle = commietothecore

          “Yep, an elderly man with a cane is definitely a burglar, right?”

          Why not? The point is that the LEO did not hold him at gunpoint or prone himj out or handcuff him. He simply asked for some ID to prove the man belonged there. At this the man lost control and followed the officer outside and caused a loud disturbance for several minutes before being arrested. All the Professor had to do was to show the officer his DL, thank him for looking out for his property and close the door behind the officer as he left. But, he chose to create a disturbance in violation of existing law.

          ” Zimmerman very likely would have also had to lay down and physically demonstrate how he pulled his gun out from his ASS and was able to get one square shot to Martin’s heart behind the photo button Martin was wearing.”

          Actually Zimmerman did exactly that. The next day or so later he went to the scene of the incident and walked the investigators through the entire sequence of events. And, the physical evidence supported Zimmerman’s account. That is why the initial SA did not bring charges and why, when he offered to take the case before the seated Grand Jury, he was relieved and Corey was named prosecutor. Corey chose to file a horribly deficient charging document rather than to take the case to a Grand Jury, which usually happens in this type of homicide case in the state of Florida. Also, the eyewitness testimony placed martin atop Zimmerman and in the act of beating him like an MMA fighter. The screaming to which you refer was originally identified as being Martin, by Martin’s father. He later stated that it was not his son screaming.

          “Again, the Michael Brown case in of itself was a justified shooting. The issue was the problems that the community of Ferguson had with the Ferguson Police Department that went back years.
          Again, the DOJ conducted TWO investigations. The first one into the shooting of Brown in itself, which was justified. The other into the community’s complaints about the police, which WAS FOUNDED.
          https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/press-releases/attachments/2015/03/04/ferguson_police_department_report_1.pdf

          Sorry, while you are correct that the shooting of Michael brown was wholly justified, the riots were based upon fraudulent reports concerning the shooting not the DOJ. The DOJ investigations were not completed until long after the incident and the riots. That the residents of Ferguson felt picked on by police may of may not have been valid. However, the DOJ report was a farce. 67% of the population of Ferguson is black. And blacks accounted for between 75 and 90% of the enforcement actions taken in that city. However, statistically, blacks in the US account for a much higher percentage of crimes than do any other racial group. So, it is not out of bounds to expect that they would account for a greater percentage of violations than their percentage of the population there. Also, no evidence was cited in the report that the people convicted in Ferguson had not committed the crimes charged. The report largely said that because the police did not allow black residents to violate the law and that the municipal court did not allow them to miss court deadlines and appearances, that this was somehow racist. The best part was where the report said that the lack of racial diversity on the police force was a problem, without ever showing that it could be lawfully achieved. It was a total sham.

          ““race baiters” didn’t get involved until the families involved invited them to call attention for the police to do their job and arrest the suspect, in this case the real thug Zimmerman. Try again.}

          In the Zimmerman case, the family’s attorneys put incredible pressure on the state to arrest Zimmerman. That an arrest was necessary in order to effectively file a suit for damages against the housing complex, might have had something to do with that. The demonstrations began when it became clear that the SA believed that Zimmerman’s actions were lawful self defense and that no charges would be filed. The family attorneys even controlled investigator access to third party witnesses and fed information [not all of it accurate] to the press [including the infamous picture of Trayvon Martin at age 12, rather than the pictures of the buff Trayvon at the time of the incident.

          In the Brown case, the family’s attorneys brought in a bogus autopsy which purported to show that brown was shot in the back.

          “There have been plenty of other cases involving unarmed black victims shot by non black suspects or non-black police that didn’t get anywhere near the attention those cases did because those cases didn’t have the same controversies surrounding them.”

          Most of the cases of whites shooting blacks were depicted as being racist by the media during the Obama administration. What was largely ignores were the thousands of black on black killing during the same time period. Even black on white killings never made it past the nightly news. It was all part of an agenda designed to cripple law enforcement in this country. It also was a chance to rekindle the racial grievance industry.

          “Just having someone unarmed killed who was black by somebody who was white or not black is not in of itself the reason why the Martin/Zimmerman and Ferguson cases made the news. Wingnut conservatives seem to have a very, very difficult time understanding that.”

          No, it is the racial paranoids who have the warped world view. For them, every black who is shot by the police or while committing some act which is suspicious or threatening is a crime. Now some are; such as the young woman who was shot through the screen door by a man while knocking on it. But, during the Obama administration, almost every shooting of a black man by the police was portrayed as a racist act. And, all of the prosecutions in those cases, with the exception of the one in SC, resulted in acquittal, and that one never ended in conviction. The Obama administration, in conjunction with the racial grievance industry, turned every single white on black shooting incident into an act of racist aggression. And, black America largely bought it. You can look for the reasons for that yourself.

          Man, you’re about as lame as obama.

          And probably as ugly as his fake wife moooochelle.

          Stick around for a while. Yes, we need the comic relief, but unlike that idiot obama, you just might catch an actual education. (Cant help you with your looks, though. Like mooochelle’s ugliness: that comes from inside.)

          Nobody ever supposed that the elderly man with the cane was definitely a burglar. But you can’t seriously be suggesting that an elderly man with a cane is definitely not a burglar. Is there anything about age or carrying a cane that prevents someone form being a burglar? Is there a mandatory retirement age for burglary, or a uniform that bans canes?

          Supposing the elderly man with the cane were the very burglar who had been reported to the police, and the police were to have left him to rifle the house to his heart’s content without doing even the slightest due diligence, don’t you think the owner, when he came home, would have a good case against the police?

        ConradCA in reply to Mac45. | July 13, 2018 at 9:36 pm

        The arrest was to help Obama win re-election by filling blacks with racist hate and thereby motivate them to vote. This was copied from Hitler who used lies about Jews to motivate the German people to vote. Him into power.

      The Livewire in reply to moderateinmiddle. | July 13, 2018 at 9:20 pm

      What evidence is that, bigot? Hint there is none.

      “Holder Justice department…”

      An oxymoron if there ever was one.

      Racist Fascist: “The Martin/Zimmerman and Ferguson cases are NOT the only interracial cases involving black victims that have happened in history”

      So how come your side keeps promoting those fake cases as evidence of systemic racism? You are discrediting your own cause, like the feminists who file fake rape reports.

      Milhouse in reply to moderateinmiddle. | July 15, 2018 at 9:32 am

      since it was clear that Martin’s race was the reason why Zimmerman went after him according to Zimmerman’s own defense lawyers.

      That is an outright lie. Zimmerman wasn’t even sure of Martin’s race when he called the police, and didn’t mention it until he was asked.

      Milhouse in reply to moderateinmiddle. | July 15, 2018 at 9:40 am

      What is with this repeated use of the phrase “fat bald head”? In what way is the head’s baldness or alleged fatness relevant to the story?

    dunce1239 in reply to tarheelkate. | July 13, 2018 at 11:17 pm

    obama and holder were the prime instigators and enemy of all police.

    Firewatch in reply to tarheelkate. | July 14, 2018 at 9:05 am

    Manson was busy.

Weird case, particularly as Trayvon was usually such a lucky guy. I particularly admired the way he was able to find jewelry. I certainly never have that kind of luck.

Some people are just full of racist hate and are unable to let facts get in the way of what they feel. They are just like the KKK who believe that race determines who is in the wrong.

    moderateinmiddle in reply to ConradCA. | July 13, 2018 at 8:54 pm

    That’s exactly true of the wingnuts who jumped on Zimmerman’s bandwagon even though they know Zimmerman’s story was bullcrap, all so they can take a swipe at Obama and liberals and wanted to see him get away with killing a black kid.

    We all know that if Zimmerman had killed a white kid and told the same story, no one would have claimed to believe it.

    No one would have believed that kid gripped Zimmerman’s fat bald head and slammed it dozens of times on concrete, when Zimmerman shot the kid on the grass lawn yards from the concrete, and Zimmerman’s two superficial scratches on his fat bald head would have been recognized as just that, scratches.

      Gremlin1974 in reply to moderateinmiddle. | July 13, 2018 at 9:02 pm

      Except that Zimmerman never said that Martin “slammed his head into the ground” he said he beat it into the ground, which btw was exactly what the two eyewitnesses saw. But don’t let facts trouble your tiny mind.

      Zimmerman and the witnesses said that Martin was straddling him and pounding his head into the ground, “ground and pound style” which means he was hitting him in the face.

      Oh and here is the video of the testimony you are referring to. Which also proves your full of shit.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MrrX6TOoyY

        moderateinmiddle in reply to Gremlin1974. | July 13, 2018 at 9:26 pm

        ” which btw was exactly what the two eyewitnesses saw.” What two eyewitnesses? There was one eyewitness, John Goode, who claimed he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman “raining down blows MMA style” even though 1) Zimmerman had no significant facial injuries and Martin had no injuries to his hands (boxers and MMA fighters have conditioned hands in gloves yet they still injure their hands when they beat someone. Martin would have broken his hands and his wrists had he really been wailing away on Zimmerman never mind Zimmerman would have had devastating injuries and would have been beaten into a coma) and 2) he made the phone call from the top floor and most likely didn’t really see what he claimed to have seen. Even John Goode never claimed to have seen someone grabbing another person’s head.
        Who were these two eyewitnesses who said they saw someone’s head being grabbed and jerked up and down dozens of times?

          moderateinmiddle = commietothecore

          Gremlin1974 in reply to moderateinmiddle. | July 13, 2018 at 10:31 pm

          neither did O’Mara, he banged the dummy up and down was to demonstrate force not to show what actually happened. Oh, and I watched every second of that trial and can say with 100% confidence that you are an unqualified moron.

          https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NMQo3YrEniU

          The autopsy stated that Trayvon had a bullet wound and injuries to his hands consistent with hitting someone.

          And Zimmerman’s head DID show injuries, which ABC or NBC (I forget which one, but I think ABC) deceptively and deliberately “masked” via filtering edits on that notorious video they released.

          Char Char Binks in reply to moderateinmiddle. | July 14, 2018 at 12:57 pm

          Fen, ABC and NBC, among others both misrepresented a lot of things. ABC used an unusually and unnecessarily large chyron to obscure the injuries on Zimmerman’s head, a graphic they used specifically, and AFAIK, solely, for that purpose.

          I remember seeing Martin Bashir on MSNBC stopping the video just before the point it showed the injuries to loudly proclaim that there were none.

      The lead investigator testified that the evidence supported Zimmerman’s statement claiming self from every significant respect. When the police support a defendant like that the prosecution is facing an impossible task.

      What is significant is that Travon used 2 types of deadly force against Zimmerman and that’s what justified him shooting Trayvon in self defense.

The White Hispanic… Insufficiently “diverse.”

    Gremlin1974 in reply to moderateinmiddle. | July 13, 2018 at 9:09 pm

    Wow, a wikipedia page! Man I really need to rethink my life!

    It is probably useless to note to you that the media and race baiters (kind of redundant) were screeching “white guy shoots little black boy!” until it came out that Zimmerman was actually hispanic, then all of a sudden it was “White-hispanic!”

    Just a small part of the absolute evil media bias in the case, such a using the picture of Martin from when he was 12 instead of his much larger and tugged out current look.

Wow, five years later and you still have trolls spreading disinformation on this case. The Myth of St. Trayvon lives on!

Gremlin1974 | July 13, 2018 at 9:13 pm

There was no way anyone reasonable could have watched that trial and seen anything but self defense. The prosecution had ZERO credible evidence, (even the evidence they illegally withheld and should have been disbarred for withholding)

Back in the Jim Crow era backs in conflicts with whites were always guilty. People who still think Trayvon was murdered by Zimmerman are just like the klan members.

    moderateinmiddle in reply to ConradCA. | July 13, 2018 at 9:31 pm

    Right, people who think Trayvon wasn’t murdered by Zimmerman are just like klan members which is why they supported Zimmerman. Tell us something we don’t know.

    Fen in reply to ConradCA. | July 14, 2018 at 12:29 am

    Zimmerman isn’t white. And one of his black buddies said your false accusation of racist motivation is laughable.

    Zimmerman wasn’t even certain of Martin’s race. When he called police, the operator asked him if he could identify the race of the perp. Zimmerman responded “he LOOKS black”, ie he wasn’t sure.

moderateinmiddle,
You are demonstrably wrong on so many counts. The 911 operator told GZ that he didn’t need to chase TM, at which point GZ said “okay”, and then coordinated where to meet the police. It’s all on tape.

The sole disinterested eye witness said the TM was on top of GZ raining blows MMA style.

The prosecution’s own witness, the neighborhood watch coordinator, destroyed the whole “wanna b cop” narrative when she testified that she was so impressed by GZ as a volunteer that she offered him a formal position, with a car and a radio, and GZ turned her down. I repeat, he turned down the offer. She was a prosecution witness, and she helped to make the defense’s case. In other words the prosecution had no evidence.

TM’s shirt was in contact with the gun but not his chest, which is only possible if TM was bent over on top of GZ.

One blow to the head can kill. Look it up. A soccer ref in Dearborn MIchigan was killed a few years ago by one sucker punch to the head in an adult rec league game. Look it up.

It all comes down to the 5 elements of self defense: reasonableness, imminence, proportionality, innocence, and avoidance. GZ has a reasonable fear of great bodily harm, it was unavoidable, he was innocent of any crime, and his response was reasonable and proportional. Slam dunk send defense case.

I live across the bridge from Sanford. Now looking back, I put a fair amount of the blame at the feet of the Dade County School District. They too were very much like Broward County and instead of having Trayvon arrested for Marijuana possession in accordance to Florida statutes he was instead patted in the hand and given a suspension. Trayvon took advantage of this and died as a result.

    ConradCA in reply to natdj. | July 13, 2018 at 11:55 pm

    I think it was possession of stolen property and burglary tools. They kicked him out of school instead of arresting him. They did this to avoid criticism from the Obama injustice department.

      natdj in reply to ConradCA. | July 14, 2018 at 8:52 am

      https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/Trayvon-Martin-Suspended-From-School-Three-Times-Report-144403305.html

      The bigger issue is how here in Florida the school districts in liberal counties are allowing troubled and crime prone students to be treated with kid gloves.

      Nothing but a disaster.

        Fen in reply to natdj. | July 14, 2018 at 9:57 am

        I think both commenters are correct – it was both MJ and stolen jewelry.

        As for the school, the testimony of Martin’s female friend was heartbreaking – a high school girl who couldnt communicate in her native English and became enraged and uncivil at the slightest scrutiny of testimony.

        Her school had failed it’s most basic task, so it was little surprise that they failed Martin by covering up his criminality which, unchecked, would eventually lead to his death.

        MajorWood in reply to natdj. | July 14, 2018 at 7:30 pm

        Just wait until one of these kids comes back with a gun. 🙁

      moderateinmiddle in reply to ConradCA. | July 14, 2018 at 3:03 pm

      Yeah, wingnuts like you also think the earth is flat and climate change isn’t real. The “burglary tool”that Trayvon was supposed to have had was a screw driver which isn’t proof of a burlgary tool. Hell most residential burglars just kick open front doors rather than trying to unscrew something. You can’t arrest someone simply for having a screw driver. Trayvon Martin was a mechanics student and could have had a screw driver for that reason. There is no proof otherwise.

      The jewelry he had wasn’t proven to have been stolen, since no one ever came forward and said they were robbed of that jewelry. Can’t arrest someone for committing a crime against someone else if there is no victim. It doesn’t work that way in real life.

    moderateinmiddle in reply to natdj. | July 14, 2018 at 3:27 pm

    A bag of marijuana residue is not enough for an arrest.
    Unfortunately for everyone, Zimmerman was given multiple slaps on the wrist for attacking people. Zimmerman should have been convicted of a felony for attacking a police officer (if not shot) yet he had his charge for battery on a law enforcement officer reduced to a misdemeanor which he then bragged about on social media. It eventually wound up costing someone their life since Zimmerman was nothing but a time bomb. You wingnut idiots are really really sick and delusional. What color is the sky in your world?

“moderateinmiddle”, my ass.

“moderateinmiddle” Hahaha! Good to see that even 5 years later, “Zimmerman derangement syndrome” is still alive and well. 🙂

–Andrew

http://www.lawofselfdefense.com/patreon

    Gremlin1974 in reply to Andrew Branca. | July 13, 2018 at 10:33 pm

    Hey, Andrew! How you and the family?

    moderateinmiddle in reply to Andrew Branca. | July 14, 2018 at 2:56 pm

    You betcha, Andrew. Still nice to see these right wing idiots who know how full of complete bullshit Zimmerman’s story was still forcing themselves to act like he’s a saint despite the fact that he had far more of a criminal history than Martin ever did.
    Thanks for reminding everyone about the law of self defense and how it did NOT hold up to Zimmerman’s nonsensical story.

    Can’t claim self defense for someone grabbing your head on the concrete when the evidence showed that you didn’t shoot them on the concrete but in the grass yards away…ooops!

    Fortunately for Zimmerman, his politically motivated prosecutors, who by the way were conservative Republicans just like the idiots who supported and still support this real thug version of Curly from the three stooges, were so dumb that they didn’t mention this to the jury (which the prosecutors badly selected and mismanaged) even after the jury asked about it during deliberations. And that’s why Curly was found “not guilty.”
    Thanks Andrew.

      Complete bull shit

      Not just lies….

      Absolute bullshit lies

      How do you people get through the day living in your own little world devoid of reality?

      moderateinmiddle = commietothecore

      And dumber than dog poo.

      Drugs damage the brain.

      Severe in your case.

      tom_swift in reply to moderateinmiddle. | July 14, 2018 at 6:26 pm

      still forcing themselves to act like he’s a saint

      The trial was about self-defense, not Zimmerman’s state of beatification.

      Don’t try so hard to move all the goalposts. You’ll just strain something, and you’re already mighty strained as it is.

      Gremlin1974 in reply to moderateinmiddle. | July 14, 2018 at 7:14 pm

      Wow, there are lies and willful ignorance, but your just delusional.

      Where do you get this stuff?

      There were some interesting things regarding the location of some of the evidence at the scene, but the location of Martin’s body was not one of them. Martin’s body was found less than 6 feet [2 yards away] from the sidewalk with his head closer to the sidewalk than his feet [the police actually rolled the body away from the sidewalk to perform cpr [as noted in the police report { https://www.yahoo.com/news/blogs/lookout/trayvon-martin-police-report-reveals-crime-scene-details-175656087.html } ]. This was in keeping with Zimmerman’s account that Martin was straddling him and Zimmerman’s head was hitting the sidewalk or other hard object And that martin stood up, after being shot and then fell over onto his side. Even the sketches made by the witnesses, immediately after the incident, placed the two men on or partially on the sidewalk during the altercation { https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZiIARRAdtY }.

      You’re going to libsplain the laws surrounding self-defense to Andrew Branca? Can you wait till I grab some popcorn?

      What’s next? You going to show Aikman how to throw a spiral?

      I hope you are parody. Because if the taxpayers paid for your education, we got ripped off.

Lest we forget the new Travon Martin film coming out “Travon Martin…Rest in Power”.

From the lie about “iced tea and Skittles” to NBC editing the 911 tape…. be ready for a film that gives “Triumph of the Will” a run for its money.

The sadness is this may well perpetuate the ghetto culture of revisionist history and puts innocent and ignorant people in harm’s way with false information.

Travon is now a saint but at his death an out of control downward falling kid that really personifies so many lost Black youth in this land.

    Gremlin1974 in reply to alaskabob. | July 14, 2018 at 2:32 am

    Lets hope it enjoys just as much success as most SJW BS movies have had in the past few years.

    hrhdhd in reply to alaskabob. | July 14, 2018 at 10:35 pm

    This “documentary” has 6 parts. Good grief! We’re lucky he didn’t get himself killed when he was 50–there’d be 25 parts.

    JusticeDelivered in reply to alaskabob. | July 15, 2018 at 5:35 pm

    Nothing these people produce is a documentary, just a long stream of propaganda. In fact, it is very similar to Hillary’s propaganda. Thugvon was on his third suspension, in a school where it is three strikes and then expulsion. He was caught with stolen jewelry, and a burglary tool, later associated with a B&E. He skipped 58 days of school while his sort of parents claimed he was college bound. He assaulted a bus driver, and the school threatened to fire the driver if he filed a complaint. He was a druggie. He organized street fights. He beat up another student whom he claimed was a snitch, and bragged online about beating him again.
    Personally, I think that Thugvon is waiting in a very warm place for his parents to join him.

    Another Ed in reply to alaskabob. | July 16, 2018 at 2:59 am

    Watch the trailer here:

    https://themuse.jezebel.com/watch-the-powerful-trailer-for-jay-zs-trayvon-martin-se-1827312997

    Based on the trailer, the next few months should be brutal.

This was classic Gellman-Murry Amnesia Effect for me.

I was following the trial here live, with outstanding play by play analysis from Andrew and a few other legal experts. And with CNN on in the background.

I remember the exact moment. CNN broke for commercial, and in the intervening minutes the prosecution fumbled badly and Andrew explained what a setback it was. But when CNN came back from break they spun it 180 degrees as a winning stroke.

I already knew the media was biased, but this was a blatant foul. Up was down, black was white, foul was fair.

I think that was the moment u stopped watching the media in general.

I had still be shifting through their “reporting” the way Russians regarded Pravda, but this was the moment I realized they might as well be fiction as far as any value they might provide as information brokers.

One need only glance at our new guest to see how idiotic we would look if we relied on the likes of ABC NBC and CNN for our information.

If information is power, he’s crippled. And he did it to himself. How fitting ????

    healthguyfsu in reply to Fen. | July 17, 2018 at 4:15 pm

    Yep, this trial was the first time I really started to question the veracity of mainstream media reporting.

You gotta give it to miderateinthemiddle, his determination to be wrong on everything is admirable HAHAHA 🙂

I was wondering why this piece of news was blowing up the comment section. Looks like someone from JournoList has gone off the rocker tonight.

Kemberlee, the first 3 mythbuster links go to 404 page not found errors.

Trayvon Martin, unlike Beta Barry, did his own fighting. But Zimmerman did his better.

Over the past few decades, the Left has provided ample examples of its slavish devotion to demagoguery, histrionics and contrived “victim” narratives, over facts and reason. We saw this quite prominently in the case of Mumia Abu-Jamal, whose trial and endless appeals have seen an unrepentant cop-killer turned into a Leftist celebrity and martyr — the facts and evidence be damned.

The Zimmerman show trial once again demonstrated the Left’s irrepressible intellectual dishonesty and emotional immaturity. What should have been an uncontroversial and factually straight-forward incident, in which a belligerent black youth violently attacked — with no justification, whatsoever — a total stranger and attempted to murder him, resulting in his own demise, became, sadly and predictably, yet another chance for embittered and grandstanding Leftists and their odious political leaders to ascribe alleged racist animus to a “white hispanic” man’s temerity to use deadly force to defend his life against the violent predations of a black youth sociopath.

    MajorWood in reply to guyjones. | July 14, 2018 at 7:33 pm

    Where did Sharpton weigh in on Trayvon? He was 100% wrong in every case that he backed, so I found him useful as a barometer of the truth.

Obama’s son is still dead. He still votes Democrat though.

Poor moderate. He was taken in by the biased reporting on this case. Another person who wrote extensively on this case was Sundance at The Conservative Treehouse. this is one article about how the Orlando Sentinal obscured the truth. (Not that I expect the twit to read it – some people choose to be stupid).

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/08/11/now-the-brutal-bias-from-the-orlando-sentinel-in-the-zimmerman-case-makes-sense-the-editorial-review-was-full-frontal-racial-bias-from-black-content-approvers/

    Barry in reply to JoAnne. | July 14, 2018 at 6:21 pm

    It’s not taken in, it’s an outright liar, paid one. Commie shill.

    JusticeDelivered in reply to JoAnne. | July 15, 2018 at 1:41 pm

    Some people do chose to be stupid, but there are many others who cannot help that their bloodline was left behind by evolution.

Andrew, an adjunct professor (Wendy Davis) at New England Law Boston has stated that coeds who kill their rapists in self-defense won’t go to jail.

“Self-defense laws apply on campus bc crimes on campus are prosecutable in real world. Crimes are also “student misconduct” offenses under civil rights laws on campus under #TitleIV & #TitleIX So you might get expelled for killing in self-defense, but you won’t go to jail.”

Based on what you have taught us (the conditions necessary to use lethal force in self-defense) that sounds like dangerously negligent legal advice. Someone should elaborate before some awkward geek is murdered and the coed sentenced for life.

Is it unreasonable to file a complaint with the Mass Bar Assoc or some ethics board?

    Fen in reply to Fen. | July 14, 2018 at 11:55 am

    Edit – Wendy Murphy not Wendy Davis

    Mac45 in reply to Fen. | July 14, 2018 at 8:18 pm

    Actually, in many states it is permissible to use deadly force to stop a rapist, as rape is considered a forcible felony and deadly force can be used to thwart the commission of a forcible felony [this is the case in Florida, for instance]. Of course, this may not be the case in the particular jurisdiction where the victim of the rape happens to be. Also, it behooves the person using force, in self defense, to make sure that the elements of the crime [rape/attempted rape] can be shown or there might be huge legal problems later.

      Fen in reply to Mac45. | July 15, 2018 at 3:41 am

      That’s my point. There are several elements required to sustain a valid defense of the use of lethal force. I’m no genius, I didn’t know them till Andrew taught me.

      Like breaking contact and returning with a weapon. zzzot! Wendy Murphy not only should know this (or know she doesn’t know enough to give legal advice on the topic, she must also be well aware that she is operating in an environment where the male gaze is considered “rape’.

      Very unethical of her. Negligent too.

        Gremlin1974 in reply to Fen. | July 16, 2018 at 12:34 am

        Wait I am confused, did she advise that deadly force could be used to stop or prevent an imminent rape or did she advise that the victim could go back and kill their rapist and it would still be self defense, which would of course be a no no.

    Milhouse in reply to Fen. | July 15, 2018 at 10:37 am

    She’s right. Deadly force is justified to prevent a rape, just as it is to prevent death or serious injury. I doubt there is any jurisdiction where that is not the case. And of course the exact same considerations apply. The victim must be in reasonable fear of imminent rape, death, or serious injury, must use no more force than is necessary to prevent it, in duty-to-retreat states must not be able to retreat safely, etc.

      JusticeDelivered in reply to Milhouse. | July 15, 2018 at 1:32 pm

      In addition to the physical trauma from rape, and trauma if it results in pregnancy, there is also the issue of STD, and needing to be tested sometime after the rape because STD does not show in a test right away.
      Rape is most certainly a good reason to put the rapist down.

      Fen in reply to Milhouse. | July 19, 2018 at 11:08 am

      1) What definition of rape are you using? Hers? They are not the same.

      2) Re pregnancy health risks, STDs, etc., I thought one of Andrew’s points was that threat must be imminent (as Milhouse included in his post above)

      Bear in mind, if a perp threatens to kill me at a later date, I believe pre-emptive and disproportionate force is justified in response. But if we’re going to frown upon that, we should be careful not to employ a double standard just because it’s about the rape of women.

      Equal protection. If it’s illegal for me then it’s also illegal for her.

A special shout-out of praise and recognition to Mr. Andrew Branca, whose posts and analysis of the trial were among the best available, on the subject.

After reading all of Moderate’s fact filled and rationally reasoned response to all of the lies posted here by long time LI posters, all I got to say is

“You got me.”

No, wait. That was thug Trayvon’s last words.

Eastwood Ravine | July 14, 2018 at 6:12 pm

Oh, the whole Trayvon thing. Yikes.

If Obama had a son…

Zimmerman’s big stroke of bad luck was that his parents’ sexes were not reversed. Had he been Jorge Mesa nobody would ever have heard of him. It’s just his bad luck that his Zimmerman parent happened to be male and his Mesa parent female.

Even so, had his father been called Smith, O’Brien, Branca, or many other typical white names, we probably still wouldn’t have heard of him. Unfortunately he had a German name, and in some parts of the USA, including Florida and New York, such names “sound Jewish”. The reason he became a cause célèbre is that Al Sharpton, from New York, saw the name “Zimmerman”, assumed “Jew”, and flew down to Florida to organize the rioting.

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