Television host Mike Rowe spoke with Tucker Carlson about the value of college, hard work, and alternate paths to a four year degree last night.

Their conversation began with the social justice warrior from Hampshire College who recently appeared on the show but quickly moved on to other topics.

One of the most fascinating aspects of their discussion was when Rowe brought up the massive amount of student debt in America today and pointed out how that affects all of us, not just students.

From the FOX News Insider:

Old Glory was taken down from a flagpole and burned around Veterans’ Day and Daniel Vogel defended the flag’s removal to protest discriminatory behavior in America and to show his support for perceptively underprivileged workers.

“Nobody’s disputing the right to do any of this stuff,” Rowe said, asking rhetorically whether it was persuasive to desecrate a symbol that so many people care so much about.

Reacting to Vogel’s mention of tradesmen and policy that encourages young people to attend expensive four-year institutions to attain a degree, rather than seek a trade, Rowe said it was simply a matter of public perception.

While politicians tend to say a “four-year degree is the best path”, “after 40 years, we start to believe it,” Rowe said.

“We ought to have permission to have a conversation on a return on our investment too,” he said of public funding of undergraduate students at such institutions as Hampshire.

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Rowe has been in the news lately for speaking out on the flag issue.

The Washington Times reported:

Mike Rowe slams flag burners: ‘No country on the planet affords its citizens more liberty’

Former “Dirty Jobs” host Mike Rowe had some frank words for students who attend expensive colleges and then trample the American flag to protest oppression.

Mr. Rowe penned a Facebook post Wednesday about Hampshire College, a private liberal arts college in Massachusetts that recently removed its American flag from campus amid tensions over Donald Trump’s Nov. 8 election win.

Mr. Rowe took particular aim at university President Jonathan Lash, who explained at the time that the decision to remove the flag would allow the school to “focus our efforts on addressing racist, misogynistic, Islamophobic, anti-immigrant, anti-Semitic, and anti-LGBTQ rhetoric and behaviors.”

“I couldn’t help but wonder if President Lash was unaware that billions of people around the world are routinely subjected to horrific levels of racism, misogyny, and bigotry that far exceed any injustice in modern-day America,” Mr. Rowe wrote. “Furthermore, I was curious to know if President Lash really believed that removing our flag is a better way to assuage the fears of his frightened students, than simply educating them about the undeniable fact that no country on the planet affords its citizens more liberty than this one?

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