Fox News Settles Dominion Voting Systems Defamation Lawsuit for $787 Million
Fox News statement: “We acknowledge the Court’s rulings finding certain claims about Dominion to be false. This settlement reflects FOX’s continued commitment to the highest journalistic standards.”
The trial of Dominion Voting Systems defamation lawsuit against Fox News was to start today. When the opening statements were delayed by several hours, I suspected there was a last minute settlement. And there was.
ABC News reported on its live blog coverage:
Dominion Voting Systems, in a $1.6 billion defamation lawsuit, accused Fox News of knowingly pushing false conspiracy theories that the voting machine company rigged the 2020 presidential election in Joe Biden’s favor, in what Dominion claims was an effort to combat concerns over declining ratings and viewer retention. Fox defended its coverage, dismissing the suit as a “political crusade in search of a financial windfall.”
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A settlement has been reached in Dominion Voting Systems’ defamation lawsuit against Fox News, Judge Eric Davis has announced in the courtroom.
“The parties have resolved their case,” the judge said.
“We wish to express our deepest appreciation” to the court, a Dominion attorney told the judge.
Davis commended both teams, saying, “I’ve been on the bench since 2010 … and I think this is the best lawyering I’ve had, ever.”
Terms of the settlement were not disclosed before court was adjourned.
A press conference was expected to follow.
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“We are pleased to have reached a settlement of our dispute with Dominion Voting Systems,” Fox News officials said in a statement after an agreement had been reached. “We acknowledge the Court’s rulings finding certain claims about Dominion to be false. This settlement reflects FOX’s continued commitment to the highest journalistic standards.”
“We are hopeful that our decision to resolve this dispute with Dominion amicably, instead of the acrimony of a divisive trial, allows the country to move forward from these issues,” the statement said.
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“Truth matters. Lies have consequences,” said Justin Nelson, an attorney for Dominion Voting Systems, as he announced details of the company’s settlement with Fox News during a press conference following the court’s adjournment.
“Today’s settlement of $787,500,000 represents vindication and accountability,” Nelson said. “Today represents a ringing endorsement for truth and for democracy.”
Dominion had sued Fox for $1.6 billion.
The CEO of Dominion, John Poulos, called it an “historic settlement.”
“Throughout this process, we have sought accountability,” Poulos said. “Truthful reporting in the media is essential to democracy.”
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“Today's settlement of $787,500,000 represents vindication and accountability. Lies have consequences” pic.twitter.com/dDzdjJJzcr
— Acyn (@Acyn) April 18, 2023
The Washington Post is reporting that Fox News paid $788M to settle the lawsuit. Fox generates around $14B a year in revenue. Just yesterday Dominion denied claims they had offered to lower the settlement amount. https://t.co/fPpkS09RO8
— @amuse (@amuse) April 18, 2023
REMINDER
The Judge granted summary judgment to Dominion that the statements about their systems being rigged were false. That wasn’t the issue in the trial, the issue was whether Fox News had a right to air the allegations on issues of public importance (and contrary opinions also were aired). Trump wanted them to keep fighting to prove the supposed fraud. Does anyone think they wouldn’t prove the fraud if it happened? This is a preview of the 2024 election if Trump is the nominee:
FoxNews, which shouldn’t have had to face trial as all they did was host guests and reported on allegations, had 787 million reasons to prove “voting doesn’t matter cuz machines rig it.” They weren’t able to. May the 2020 election remain history as people focus on the future.
— Cernovich (@Cernovich) April 18, 2023
I can't believe FOX News didn't just follow Trump's advice and put out all that evidence the election was stolen.
— Frank J. Fleming (@IMAO_) April 18, 2023
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Figured. Never let a case like this one go to a jury..
Not in New York.
The game is so rigged against use. Imagine if this was the NY Times facing such a lawsuit.
That and DC. Blue is bad.
Or Alabama, or Texas, or Louisiana, or Utah, or Montana, or South Carolina, or Florida, or North Dakota, or Kentucky either,
A major network with power slandered innocent people in the name of a political narrative none of them believed was true behind closed doors because they knew if they didn’t the audience would desert them.
It was a loser anywhere.
Tucker Carlson using his journalistic integrity struck back hard and fast against Sidney Powell and correctly proved she was full of lies.
Unfortunately because he knew his audience was wanted it he put the My Pillow guy on to make the claims of Dominion Voter fraud.
Actions have consequences. If you have power do not use it unjustly even if Donald Trump wants you to.
Pretending we won 2020 is a gigantic loser it enrages the 81 million majority who voted against us and hardens them further against changing their minds.
You gotta have brown eyes your so full of it.
When did you stop beating your wife asshole?
Exactly, When do CNN and MSNBC pay out for all the Russian Collusion lies?? When do WAPO and NYT’s give back the Pulitzers they won for their lies??
Wake up fella. The trial was in Delaware, not New York.
When there is some sort of case for the jury cases like this get settled for a pittance or taken to jury all the time.
Disclosure was truly damning for Fox News. Hannity being aware his guests showed up to lie to his audience about Dominion was especially bad.
Indeed they do. In this case when the defense team saw the facts presented, they took the smart strategy and settled before the jury got it. This was always about what, how much and when. Smart lawyering this time, call it a day and go home. I have been on a jury for a case like this that awarded damages, and on one that never got the case at the last minute. Also, I have been on the other side a couple of times. A great deal of business has typically been done ‘on the courthouse steps’. Live to fight another day..
Damn Fox… the election was stolen and absolutely those machines were involved
Prove it, sister.
The injustice in our justice system is on full display. Fun thought experiment to illustrate: how much do you think Fox would pay the Trump campaign if he sued them for falsely calling Arizona before voting ended?
Trump lost Arizona, if he sued them because Decision Desk determined he was going to lose he would be laughed at by every single member of the Federalist Society and other judicial conservatives.
That isn’t a thought experiment that is an ostrich mimick.
Also, some extremely lame analysis in this article…
The “smart” crowd has all turned anti-Trump. They refuse to learn that anyone who doesn’t fall in line with Leftism is a target. See how they’re treating JK Rowling for reducing to accept the lie that deranged men who think they’re women are women.
That is a truly stupid statement and is far too stupid for you to actually believe and here is why I think that.
Nobody thinks that honesty about Trump immunizes you from the left least of all the man who more than anyone else has been documenting the left from long before Trump turned on to our side out of opportunity.
Here are some facts that should wake you up
1. Most American voters voted against Trump in 2016, he was rescued by Hillary being pigheaded and determining that WI, MI and PA were out of play. If you need proof MITT ROMNEY won more Wisconsin voters in 2012 than Trump in 2016.
2. Before Trump we held trifecta in Wisconsin and Michigan, most of the PA congressional seats, some of the PA state offices, and after Trump the last statewide survivor is Ron Johnson a pre-Trump incumbent.
3. On barely winning against the most hated person in the country (while losing the popular vote by millions of voters) here is Trump’s electoral history
2017-Virginia turns from purple to blue
2018-Massive blue wave
2020-Democrats sweep the presidency, congressional Republicans run ahead of Trump resulting in a close congress that remains in Democrat hands
2021-Trump hands Democrats the senate on a silver platter resulting in Democrats getting judicial and other appointments of their choice. Trump leaves the scene for the rest of the year
2022-In ideal circumstances for the red wave nothing happens. The Democrats net a loss of only a couple of seats giving Republicans the worst showing for the opposition in a midterm election since Democrats in 2002.
2023-Republicans win every voter issue plebiscite in Wisconsin while losing the supreme court showing the true power of Trump in Wisconsin
Wisconsin, Michigan, and PA don’t like him. The independents have made up their mind Trump is at 100% recognition. If you want to show how viable he is for the white house list your map to it without Wisconsin, Pennsylvania or Michigan.
The reason we tell the truth about Trump instead of politically harmful myths is we want to win and influence culture with government like Ron DeSantis is doing and Trump stands in the way of doing that.
Trump in the primary is Biden for the presidency.
What’s a truly stupid statement is all the stupidity you typed. How old are you? You’re probably older than me but I figured out this political war that is being fought far quicker than you. You think that Trump is the problem when the problem is YOU and people who think like you. Too overeducated and too smart to realize that you have been played as a sucker and that you’ve helped bring this country to ruin. Congratulations, smart guy. You typed a whole lot of nothing.
You failed to debunk a single thing I said but have confirmed this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0doSWS0Fj24
If that video is not an accurate representation of you try actually debunk what I said.
I am sick of showing courtesy to people behaving like jackasses like you just did. If I am wrong debunk a single god damned point I made.
You can’t because ultimately no matter what Politically Correct but actually inaccurate narratives you want you can’t change the reality of the Republican Party results under Trump.
And yes Trump is the problem. He is extremely hated from a majority of voters who have all made up their minds about him. He could win the Republican Primary but not the general election.
It is 2023, and you still haven’t accepted that most voters in 2016 voted against Trump. That is truly and utterly pathetic.
Keep promoting DeSantis with such low-quality arguments against Trump… and you’re just going to undermine DeSantis. There are better reasons not to support Trump, but trolls don’t even know what they are.
Try addressing points and debunking them if they are bad.
I don’t know what you are like irl but everything I said is easily verifiable fact.
How many votes did Trump get Wisconsin 2016? How many did Romney get there 2012? Did Trump win Wisconsin again after that or did his leadership see defeat there 2018, 2020, and 2022, and 2023 despite Republicans winning on ballot initiatives (as in actual policy questions)?
Reacting to that with insults instead of arguments is the tool of a compete and utter asshole which I am not calling you but you most definitely are behaving like.
Inform us of what part of the argument is wrong. Tell me which election I got wrong. Tell me what the 2022 elections looked like with explicit Trump candidates running as Trump candidates in those states. Tell me what your path to the White House without Wisconsin Michigan or Pennsylvania is?
If you can’t do that but could insult it means you are behaving like an asshole.
Not calling you an asshole but your behavior…..
Keep being an asshole sir.
Small point, Danny is not a troll. “Troll” doesn’t mean ‘someone I disagree with,’ but you know that, right?
Danny, you are wasting your time with the MAGAs because it is emotional, not intellectual. Everything you pointed out is correct and for some reason they simply ignore it. I have pointed out that Trump to the left is more hated than Hillary was to the right. They just don’t process it. Without a huge amount of Independents and crossover Dems, Trump cannot win. It is just simple math. All the anger in the world cannot change it. I’m afraid it will be 2020 all over again unless Trump changes his pitch and starts to include people other than his rabid base. He needs to forget DeSantis and focus on Biden and the mess he has caused and show us a way out of it. If he does that and stops with the childish attacks on a noncandidate he might win a few more votes.
@inspector
I am afraid your right, and I think I have been doing too much sinking to their level in this thread by counter-insulting which while fun I think has distracted from the actual arguments I put forward.
Danny/Inspector,
Nah it isn’t a waste of time discussing issues with MAGA b/c the MAGA is far more broad a movement than ‘Only Trump’. It is the natural evolution of center/right populism tracing back in some important policy idea ways to Goldwater, then more recently Perot and the Tea Party movement. Trump was selected by the existing center/right populist movement as our Avatar. He didn’t create the movement though in fairness he did broaden the appeal of the existing movement.
If your definition of lame is actually informed yes.
Point out what you disagree with
Fundamentally, I agree with your position. However, I think that it is incomplete. Republicans did not and still do not fight an election by the current rules that apply to mail-in ballots, ballot harvesting, etc. For example, I recall that brain-damaged Fetterman was ahead in mail-in votes in PA by roughly 3/4 million ballots before election day. I am doubtful any Republican will ever win a national election if they keep running last century campaigns.
You mean like Trump did in 2020? When he could have stopped the illegal measures states were taking due to his insistence on continuing covid lockdown advice/support? He said we should reopen by Easter, and if he had not caved to Fauci/Birx, he would be president today because the economy would have rebounded, and there would have been no election changes due to lockdowns (ballot harvesting, extended early and mail-in voting, etc.). Once he did decide to go that route, his DOJ completely ignored states taking these measures despite clear violations of election law.
Trump is why Trump lost in 2020, not just the fact that he’s irrevocably toxic to a huge swath of the country (and that is also true) but because he created the conditions that allowed his defeat. Yes, there were definitely problems and cheating and shenanigans, but none of the main parts would have been possible without the lockdowns extending through summer and into fall . . . with Trump’s approval and support. Heck, he defended them at the time and still is today. He just doesn’t get it.
This is lame even for you Fuzzy. That States Executives just went ahead and made their own rules up on the fly regardless of the fact they had no such power…to the point of locking their doors and baring ANYONE from coming in and doing their legislative jobs!
I think the people who don’t get it are the small c conservatives who are only happy when they are told by Democrats who they are allowed to vote for.
Speaking of lame let’s play your stupid game for a minute.
Dems have never had the power to tell people who to vote for outside of their party. Just saying they did….what Conservative or even Republican have they ever told anyone they were allowed to vote for? Now run along and make up more bullshit.
Too funny, they are part of the gaslighting team. What do you expect. My guess is this helps builds the war chest against the Trump team which is something they wanted. Another illegal election donation.
Here is the punchline
Trump claims he is worth 10 billion and you are allowed to spend as much money as you want on your campaign.
Is Trump lying?
Here is another punchline
You are lying sir. Failing to be an uncritical acolyte is not a campaign donation and if you truly believe that STFU and GTFO out of m politics you fascist thug. I am allowed any opinion I want in my country! So is Professor Jacobson, so is the plumber, so is the CEO, so is EVERYONE how dare you claim something not confirming your beliefs is illegal.
STFU and GTFO out of m politics you fascist thug
Very cogent argumentation there.
(And they’re not your politics.)
What exactly do you call the concept that expression of contrary opinions is illegal?
99.9904889% of Americans would also use the term fascism for that.
By the way 99.9999% of Americans would also say that it is American politics belongs to each citizen and would also say GTFO out of it to someone clearly expressing fascistic tendencies.
I stand by that post, and if you don’t like it I hope you never ever express any form of disgust at leftist censorship again because it is exactly the same thing Mark Smith was advocating.
It’s absolutely true that machines cannot be trusted because you in principle can’t audit the software. It’s not just that it’s inconvenient, it’s impossible
The technical reason for this is in Ken Thompson’s Turing lecture “On Trusting Trust.”
All it takes is enough motivation and the machine will do the bidding of the bad guy and nobody can detect it.
Thanks. Here’s a reprint of his remarks in Communications of the ACM:
https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~rdriley/487/papers/Thompson_1984_ReflectionsonTrustingTrust.pdf
Provide some evidence that Dominion rigged the elections or shut up about innocent people you are trying to scapegoat.
You did not like the weeks when leftists claimed Dominion rigged the election for Trump.
Yet the Communist got to do their investigations.
How would you like me to call you a Nazi, say you robbed a bank, and when it is shown I am full of it people support me?
That is what effectively what was done to Dominion and which you are still doing to them.
Knock it off. Behave like a human adult with a bare minimum of humanity in him.
The Fox talent all swore under oath they were aware they aired lies about Dominion.
Could you explain why Hannity and Tucker would lie under oath to hurt their careers and their employer?
Stop shouting at everyone and telling them to shut up. It’s really detrimental to your argument.
Also, you might want to stop with the use of the word “innocent”. It implies* something much more pure than any of the people you’re talking about.
(* Yes, this is a legal blog, and I’m sure Milhouse is rushing to his keyboard right now to let me know the legal definition of innocent. But you’re not speaking that way – you’re arguing with emotion, and that word is absolutely unfit to use of any of the players in this game in that fashion.)
@GWB
I really and truly hope to see how you would react to someone baselessly slandering you for the explicit purpose of dehumanizing you and turning you into a scapegoat
I really and truly do because you seem to believe that is acceptable behavior it isn’t.
To repeat the question that has trampeled on your fragile little vulnerable politically correct sensibilities
“How would you like me to call you a Nazi, say you robbed a bank, and when it is shown I am full of it people support me?”
Trump did BETTER in areas that used Dominion.
I don’t give a dam that you have created an alternate reality to live in where the employees of Dominion are subhuman, they are innocent of even the thought of wrongdoing and I am utterly disgusted by people like you who demand respect and then turn around and engage in this kind of dehumanization scapegoating.
The term innocent absolutely applies in all of the purity it entails.
A man who makes an honest living doing a good service who is baselessly attacked by people who are doing evil for evil sakes (as you appear to be doing by defending those attacks) deserves to be called innocent.
They did nothing to you, they did nothing to me, they did nothing to deserve the heavy vitriol they have received.
Trump slandering somebody is not a basis to hatred and I hope this settlement sends a strong message that keeping your humanity beats keeping 5% higher ratings.
If you disagree with me explain how you long for the days when you could be slandered and dehumanized baselessly by media.
Explain how the greatest injustice is that in exactly the same circumstances Nicholas Sandman availed himself of exactly the same legal mechanism for exactly the same results.
Unlike you I have one standard, and it is not Trump is always right.
Rather than whine that the question is insulting answer the dam question. The people you are defending are insisting that it is illegal for professor Jacobson to even report on this (which is what over 99% of Americans would call fascism) and that Dominion stole the election and deserve the vitriol, death threats, nonstop attacks and dehumanization they received.
You have not substantiated either claim.
Ummm, you don’t know much about software, do you? If you make the code public, you can’t actually hide that “doing the bidding of the bad guy”. Now, you can change the code when no one is looking, yes. But a simple audit of the compiled software would show you that it was changed – and it would no longer be valid.
Yes, there is a lot of obfuscation you could do with the software (“no code” programming comes to mind). But if it’s open, then someone can and will dig far enough to find you out.
You are right Trump rigged the election and despite Dominion’s best efforts still lost stupid orange man forgot a few zeroes!!!!
Trump did BETTER in areas that used Dominion. Your claiming Dominion did something wrong is slander at best.
Get your head out of Trump’s ass and onto planet Earth.
Someone on Tweeter made a valid comment. Could Fox even get a fair trial in Delaware?
Me think there is a kick back in this in the background or extortion.
Oh I was wondering about that.. Not sure what to call it.. but it wouldn’t surprise me if Fox wasn’t really footing the bill for this.
I suspect there’s an insurance company funding this.
In my opinion, Fox simply folded at someone’s behest. They had the opportunity to present the facts of the steal, but didn’t defend on the facts, but rather on the claim (which I agree should have been considered well-founded Constitutionally) that they were simply reporting the news, including the positions of the parties.
I’m still puzzled why they didn’t use the discovery phase to have the software carefully scrutinized. (If they did do so, I must have missed that story.)
Part of the problem, IMO, is that Fox over-claimed. (I’m sure there’s a legal word for that.)
That was also the problem, IMO, with a lot of the lawsuits out there. Claiming “the election was stolen!” instead of “This particular violation of rights or election law was committed.”
If Fox had stuck to some very specific claims that could be backed with evidence they might have prevailed. Particularly since they were making broad claims about a software/hardware company.
The only claims against Dominion Fox could have made that could have been substantiated is NOTHING.
You seem to think being pseudo intellectual and claiming crimes you don’t name makes you sound smart it doesn’t it makes you sound like a cruel monster who still wants to go after innocent people.
Dominion did nothing, your insisting on scapegoating them is disgusting.
Trump did better in every area that used Dominion.
Utah would have found Fox guilty, the deposition revealed there was no case for the defense.
Unless you think Tucker lied under oath to destroy his employers.
No, it’s about money. FNC makes 18 BILLION dollars a year and having a long, unknown results trial was just not worth less than one month’s income. In a trial, a lot of things come out that FNC did not want to be aired and their slimy group of opinionists would be further damaged publicly.
ACE
Meanwhile, leftwing media-protecting judges fall over themselves to dismiss defamation lawsuits against CNN, the New York Times, NBC “News,” etc., claiming that factual defamations are “protected opinions.”
Did people form those organizations make admissions they knew the claims they spread weren’t true?
My recollection is that when Trump tried to sue at least one of these (I think it was the New York Times) over the Trump-Russia reporting, the judge threw out the suit without allowing discovery. Hence the reporters, editors, etc. never were deposed under oath. And no internal emails of the New York Times were handed over to Trump’s attorneys. By contrast, much of the information that was damaging to Fox News came from such depositions and emails. Who knows what would have been revealed if discovery had been allowed in Trump’s lawsuit?
That actually is a good answer.
However to push this a step forward lets pretend for sake of argument Comey had never leaked to the press, or gotten in bed with the Democrat Party, the Russia Collusion hoax was purely a Christopher Steele/Hillary Clinton thing without any FBI involvement and it reached deposition due to lack of a basis for believing the Steele Dossier.
Lets also say the answer to those questions are all yes and deposition revealed contemporary conversations showing the NYTimes itself knew the story was fake news, and that each individual who was involved in it talked to one another about the evidence, agreed there was none and it was fake news.
Wouldn’t you agree under those circumstances Trump deserves to win the case?
If you want media accountability for bad behavior you can’t defend Fox in this case, which is why Fox itself feels the behavior was unacceptable.
“Wouldn’t you agree a totally different situation might have been different?”
You might be saying the right things, but it’s obscured under all of that silliness.
GWB you are 100% well aware that the situation I described of counter-factual with the FBI not involved in the steel dossier is 100% identical to this case.
All your moronic attempt at condescension did is reveal YOU are an example of why Fox lost.
Don’t bother asking her because this was not her own. She stole it from Ace of Spades and passed it off as her own here. Of course she can’t defend it; she has no idea what it means.
I didn’t steal anything and I didn’t take ownership
Get a life
You e become such a rude disrespectful person
Maybe you always have been
That does explain why I never get an answer to the points I make and end up just counter-insulting people who insult me first.
Stop copying and pasting other people’s words (particularly without providing quotation marks, so we know what is someone else’s: i.e. this entire comment, excluding your “original” contribution: the single word, “ACE”), If you can’t come up with anything of your own to say, say nothing.
Know your jury and know the battleground. The jury should rightly have never gotten the chance.
Another comment aceofspadeshq
Dominion is now totally exempt from any oversite from the Media. No matter what evidence someone finds of them rigging elections, the MEDIA will never give it any coverage.
The fix, is now PERMANENTLY in.
It already was.
There was no evidence found stop lying. There comes a point where being an asshole has consequences such as when you slander innocent people for explicit purposes of making them scapegoats.
I have seen you and virtually everyone else saying media needs accountability when they lie.
THIS is what that looks like.
When you slander someone defamation is the result.
Accountability, as always, has been achieved… in one direction only.
There was no evidence found stop lying.
Stop flinging about that word “lying”. That is not what the quote said.
“No matter what evidence someone finds”
being an asshole has consequences
Well, you got that one right.
There was no evidence Dominion ever did anything wrong stop lying on behalf of defending Gonzo’s lies and no I don’t think you have a elementary school level of comprehension I think you know what Gonzo said and meant.
The tale of the “The Boy Who Cried Wolf” is part of our national culture. The question is whether Trump somehow was never taught the lesson or whether he learned that lesson perfectly and this was his intention.
This is not the comment section of any other website. If people want to read Ace of Spades, then they can (and it’s a great site, I read it all the time, but this is not Ace, it’s some rando commenter on his site).
It is not clever to share someone else’s words without critical thought or addendum, all it does is prove (yet again) that you have no opinions, thoughts, or ideas of your own.
Oh dead God I was showing what others thought and where it came from
Take a pill, maybe a red pill.
Do you stay up late to
Find comments I’ve made?
Careful G, you’ll start getting your comments memory holed if you keep this up!
Your comments don’t need to disappear to be memory holed. Both of you are incredibly easy to discount.
The enter key stays up late looking for comments of yours to turn into eyesores.
You are delusional, ma’am.
Oddly enough there doesn’t seem to be any mention of this on foxnew.com. I figured they would at least acknowledge it.
I still would like to hear what Sidney Powell thinks about this..
She’s still looking for that Kraken she promised was coming soon….
Elderly Swedes who move to the United States retire to Florida and tend to tell people who want them to move to D.C. to get lost.
Why on earth would you want to hear anything she says about anything?
The same people celebrating the Fox News settlement had no comment when fake news CNN settled with Nick Sandmann.
True
Or The Gibsons!
You mean when Nicholas Sandman reacted the same way to similar behavior?
Both cases saw the law working correctly.
No they didn’t.
Well they hate us and they hate Trump, clearly from their texts
I think Ryan and the gang are in on this and
Probably drinking highballs with Domino and the Dems as I write
Now you will never see a question of voting irregularities
Now committing fraud through Dominion machines will be wide open
Proving Dominion is in the fix with vote fraud kills elections.
It would prove the babbling idiot is a fraud in the White House. (Hint:he is)
No way would that be allowed to be known
Provide a list of offices Ryan holds now or shut up about him already because nobody else is talking about him except you because you need a demonic boogeyman.
Why you mean like being on Fox’s board?
In other words he is a private citizen who doesn’t run anything?
https://www.foxcorporation.com/management/board-of-directors/
He is a private citizen at a private business with multiple peers, and multiple superiors nothing more.
The law, and morality was against Fox News in this case.
No it wasn’t. Dominion could never meet the actual malice standard.
@Juris
This is not my opinion this is taken from
https://www.pbs.org/standards/media-law-101/defamation/
It isn’t spam it is meant to educate by debunking the idea Fox would have had an above zero chance if this case was in Utah or South Carolina
“How does a public official or public figure prove that I acted with actual malice?
The actual malice standard means that the plaintiff must prove that you either (1) knew the defamatory statement was false; or (2) acted with reckless disregard for the truth—in other words, that you entertained serious doubts as to whether the statement was truthful.
In evaluating whether someone acted with reckless disregard for the truth, courts look to the person’s state of mind at the time the statement was published, considering factors such as whether the person had time to investigate the story or needed to publish it quickly and whether the source of the information appeared to be reliable and trustworthy. ”
As you could see Fox actually did from the testimony of it’s own people fall under the actual malice standard.
Furthermore the need to overcome that standard is at best debatable because from the same source
“Businesses also can be classified as public figures. Courts evaluate factors such as whether the business is well-known by the average person in the area where the defamatory statement was circulated; whether the business is regulated by the government; and whether the business has been intensely scrutinized by the media.”
Fox paid up because the law was very much against them.
PBS… real fair organization right there
You’re wasting your time. Gonzo couldn’t pick Ryan out of a photo lineup, she just regurgitates what she reads on crap sites, and they seem to want to blame Ryan for pretty much every ill in the world. She doesn’t understand even their crazy fauxguments and is unable to defend her own stance (largely because it’s not hers). She’s far from alone in this, of course, but there are others here who are anti-Ryan and will be able to give you some reason for it (usually dating back to his speakership, though, or his big-government rightwing progressivism–why I cannot stand him and am glad he’s out of public office).
Oh Fuzzy the hater rides again, with her insults as usual
Trump and I live in her head
Are you really Danny?
Provide a list of swing voters who are on the fence and will decide “You know what we need is more attacking private citizens who are no longer in office, no longer seeking office, have no influence over my life and are not relevant to me, we just don’t have enough dehumanization in this country and need more boogeymen who are private citizens”.
I am inclined to agree.
I also however have to question sanity of people determined to make Paul Ryan a boogeyman. Who exactly is that supposed to appeal to?
I usually like your commentary but your comments on this article are full of childish personal insults – bad week???
Just tired of people (or in this thread person) copying and pasting other people’s thoughts and ideas into our comment thread. It’s not helpful, and it’s basically plagiarism. I cannot abide people who cannot think for themselves, and yeah, it shows sometimes.
Demonic boogeyman?
Dang, I got one Danny
It’s you!
Love how you tell peope to shut up, call them names
How’s that working out for you?
Ryan, the ultimate power broker….lol, you can’t make this up. Or you can and the lemmings like gonzo will follow as useful idiots.
Sidney Powell promised to release the Kraken, but she never did. There were enough low-tech shenanigans in the election to reasonably believe it was stolen from Trump. Like others, I kept waiting for Powell to come up with the goods, but she persisted in delaying and getting more defensive and bizarre as time went on. She even related a young, minor assistant’s motor vehicle death to sinister forces. She was simply a nut. Biden’s team was not sophisticated enough to employ such a high-tech strategy. They could safely rely on crooked lawyers, tame judges and union goon squads to change voting procedures and harvest ballots.
Yep. Electronic voting is impossible to secure and nobody should trust it. It should be rejected for that reason alone.
Disagree. It’s very possible.
But it takes knowledgeable people and a LOT of people watching each point in the process. And that means effort and money at election time – and lots of people who see a vested interest in transparency, win or lose.
Paper ballots are easier to rig, actually. But the chain of custody of the data is much simpler to control and observe. If you bother to do so. And therein lies the problem of most machine politics of the last couple of centuries.
Fair enough. Maybe I should say impossible to trust? I’m not a computer science or networking guy. I’ll take your word that it can be done. That, then, raises the question of why it hasn’t been.
We’re in a bad situation.
What this does is to tell everyone that Dominion will sue for big bucks if you even hint that their machines are not strictly on the up and up.
Talk about shutting down any discussion.
Their case was the definition of a winning slander case.
What was done was telling them Dominion rigged the election a known lie.
This settlement should be the death of that lie already.
Except it really wasn’t a lie and we all know it. Regardless of the outcome of this case Dominion’s crooked and machine voting should be illegal.
Not all of us “know it”. Some of us actually have functioning brains.
Your telling grade a lies.
Foxes own talent without exception testified in deposition AGAINST FOX.
They confirmed under oath that they did it.
They confirmed they all knew the Dominion stuff was a lie and aired the lies because they thought failure to would cost them their audience.
That is the definition of a news organization about to lose in all 50 states and Puerto Rico.
Fox did something horrible, it sold it’s integrity and sold lies in order to mollify Trump cultists who then decided Fox had betrayed them anyway.
It is confirmed in deposition, private conversations turned over under discovery involving the Fox talent and frankly it is good that Fox settled because they would have lost this case everywhere.
Slander is never acceptable, especially when it’s purpose is creating a scapegoad.
Don’t care if you are CNN or you are on my side I do not want major news organizations abusing their power.
Danny, The Troll
It’s too bad this site does not appear to have a mechanism for blocking trolls from appearing on my screen. Most comments sites do. If this site does, could someone please tell me how to find it, and how it works.
Your a true asshole. I state claims that are easy to confirm and my honest beliefs and you call me a troll?
You are what is wrong with America.
Gonzo the asshat sex addict who is always drunk and is never out of bed
Lol you are one sick puppy
Talk about calling the pot calling the kettle black
Danny is not a troll. Troll does not mean “Person I disagree with.” If you don’t know what a word means, don’t use it.
The discovery process yielded some pretty damning stuff. Internal communications at Fox show that the talent was not confident at all in the substance of the claims, in fact a few reportedly were aware that there wasn’t proof and were openly skeptical. Reportedly lots of cross talk among the talent and execs bemoaning the lack of actual evidence and over reliance on supposition and innuendo. Don’t forget Tucker Carlson asked some very basic questions about substance to Powell and she couldn’t answer them, just kept talking about the Kraken right around the corner. A disastrous interview for Powell that torpedoed her still unsubstantiated claims.
That’s not what you want to have your talent be forced to read aloud to the jury at trial. Nor the many obvious follow up questions. It was too big a risk to go to trial and lose. Fox made a legal and business decision to write a check of $757 million to make this go away. No one willingly hands out that amount of $ to settle if the odds aren’t stacked against them at trial.
We’re the machines totally clean to being above suspicion? Nope, lots of weird coincidences seems to exist around the deployment of these machines. Then there’s the relaxed signature verification rules in many States + using Civic as an excuse for mail in ballots. Then the ballot harvesting and Zuckbucks. Just b/c Fox settled a potentially ruinous lawsuit doesn’t mean 2020 elections were clean. There were all sorts of shenanigans going on.
I agree with at least 90% of what you said but to nitpick a bit nothing you mentioned has anything to do with Dominion.
The fraud claims are also an alternative to pursuing the problem with Zuck Bucks. That was an unfair thing but it was a legitimate turnout operation Mark Zuckerberg targeted blue areas with. I.E. none of the voters brought forth by Mark Zuckerberg’s highly unethical but perfectly legal targeted donations are illegal votes. If Mark Zuckerberg had instead of hiding his hand and donating to local government turnout operations had built his own org to do it you would have the same result-Mark Zuckerberg increases turnout for Democrats.
The mail in ballots, still no evidence has come to light involving those. Maybe they did change the election but so far the evidence is that just about all of them were legitimate votes even if unmotivated votes who wouldn’t have turned out if they had to do more than put a letter in an envelope.
Every single election has had fraud and that includes 2016 which Democrats rejected-with exactly the same innuendo to declare the election illegitimate.
Remember low percentages hide very high numbers. Wisconsin which was one of the closest swing races went against Trump by 20k votes and the evidence points to major problems with the election but that the actual 20k votes were legitimate votes.
The issues you mentioned while issues also are absolutely minor compared to control of the flow of information by a tiny clique of leftist billionaires, something we need regulations to fight against which means following DeSantis in abandoning the “Muh big government” attitude and like the 20th century Republican Party actually use the power voters give us to set policy.
Frankly Joe Biden ran purely as an I hate Trump candidate with no attempt to get a single person to vote I love or like or even tolerate Biden he made his entire campaign purely a referendum on Trump.
When that happens you have to revisit the candidate who the election was a referendum on to see why he lost.
Danny,
The first two paragraphs discuss the issues surrounding the decision by Fox to settle the lawsuit with Dominion. So that’s quite a bit about Dominion.
The other issues are in my opinion far more fruitful for figuring out how, at the margins, the slender Biden victory was created. Bad voter registration data coupled with mailed ballots creates conditions for fraud. Add Zuckbucks and a few States altering the normal election integrity, ballot security and signature verification standards plus drop boxes along with normal d/prof machine shenanigans. Then stir in the very odd ‘coincidence’ in several swing States of vote counting centers in deep blue enclaves being shut down nearly simultaneously.
Bottom line is there’s plenty of rich to fry re bad elections procedures without wading into Dominion. Frankly, cleaning up the voter rolls is the key to preventing the majority of shenanigans. It doesn’t matter what tech is used at the polling place if we have ineligible voter registrations and lack enforcement of clear, unwavering anti fraud measures; voter ID being one.
The last statewide presidential election that was within the margin of fraud at all was 2000 in Florida where Bush won 2,912,790 to Al Gore winning 2,912,253 votes.
I use the Wisconsin example because of how extremely close the percentage was because that one was 20k voters. That is nowhere near the fraud margin.
From what I could tell Zuck Bucks were just used on get out the vote efforts in blue areas by blue governments. Do you have any evidence to the contrary?
Conditions for fraud means nothing, there is no evidence the deed actually happened and a lot of evidence to the contrary. The conditions you mention of including drop boxes-Is the Republican Party of California committing fraud by use of them? Because if they did not use drop boxes we would not have congress right now.
For example if it was just a little fraud in a few key states can you explain the following
1. The exact same losses in suburban and white working class support Trump saw in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan costing him the election happened in almost exactly the same percentages in such non-battlegrounds as Alabama, Hawaii, California, and other red and blue states. Shouldn’t there be some kind of anomaly in those states votes?
2. Why did Trump’s urban vote in Philadelphia improve dramatically over 2016?
3. Why did the Trump campaign lie to me? Why after the election did they lie to claim Pennsylvania got back more ballots than they sent out? Why did they claim they were going to bring suit for fraud than they never did? Or even better why did they lie to me and claim they performed worst in areas using Dominion when they in fact performed slightly better in areas that used Dominion?https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2103619118
” we find coefficients that are statistically significant in the negative (i.e., pro-Trump) direction, although very small in magnitude.”
4. Did the supposed fraudsters not have an opportunity in 2016? By normal American standards the swing states had extremely close elections in 2016.
The slender Biden victory in Michigan was a lot wider than our victory there in 2016.
Democrats claim our having voter id requirements to vote creates conditions for turning black people away. Without evidence it is actually happening it is just accusation and innuendo.
By the way Wisconsin does have voter id requirements to vote https://www.cityofmadison.com/clerk/elections-voting/voting/voter-id , here is what you need if you don’t have a photo id in PA
“Confirmation issued by the County Voter Registration Office
Non-photo ID issued by the Commonwealth
Non-photo ID issued by the U.S. Government
Firearm permit
Current utility bill
Current bank statement
Current paycheck
Government check”
None of those seem likely to lead to fraud
Now for Michigan it had definite photo id requirements in 2020, and in 2022 but by ballot initiative it has since added the option to issue a sworn affidavit under penalty of perjury that you are who you say you are (so if the person you are impersonating finds out you will go to prison at least in theory.
What I also should note that New Hampshire also has a photo id requirement to vote.
Also note the limitation of voter id requirements in Michigan by offering you a chance for statement under penalty of perjury is something that voters showed up in person with their ids to put into law.
Voter rolls also are cleaned up regularly https://www.wpr.org/roughly-206k-people-removed-wisconsin-voter-rolls-routine-maintenance
We don’t have a clean flow of information, but we do have clean election counts.
Lastly I would like to thank you for engaging in real conversation and arguments instead of insults I am always glad to do real engagement.
How dare you come with facts….the Trumpets are on the warpath!
That crazy woman did more to damage Trump than any Democrat and any chance at actually being able to scrutinize elections.
This woman was a huge charlatan and the cultists should be directing their ire at both her and anyone with Trump who was looking to put her on staff (yes, it did happen).
https://www.facebook.com/1682165549/videos/795559385295458/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh5j7s1H7ek
The first one is live video on Nov 4th in the wee hours of the (or one of the) vote switches
The seconfd is Ruby Freeman in action
America has been overthrown by a cabal
Change my mind
That never happened the AP had errors on it’s website they corrected.
Like it or not the Associated Press is not part of the United States government, it gave wrong information that the vote count never gave and corrected it.
It is time to stop creating stab in the back mythology on behalf Trump the Disney Acolyte who wishes DeSantis would just surrender to corporate America and trans the kids because Disney gave him tens of millions of dollars.
Just can’t believe the evidence of your own eyes can you? It must really suck to hate someone that badly.
AP made an error in reporting and corrected it. That error was never reflected on the sites of the actual count, nor was it something the actual counters ever said, nor was it ever anything.
I did not reject the evidence of my eyes I just don’t think news orgs get to make things up.
AP put out wrong numbers that were not aligned with the actual vote count.
The actual vote count never changed only AP inaccurate reporting of it.
Are you the same asshole who howled and yowled for decades that George W Bush didn’t win Florida because the press reported Al Gore won Florida then the vote count they reported turned out to be wrong? Media are not omnipotent beings.
You need to speak less and listen more
You mean because of all the debunking points you have been doing?
Sick of being kind to sanctimonious condescending jackasses, including when you behave like one and I am going to insult back a lot more.
Cultists like yourself need to either engage or go away.
I started purely attacking peoples arguments, I got attacked personally so no I don’t give a dam that you are offended by the truth. You aren’t persuadable anyway.
Good advise
I mean because the little I’ve read of what you write you seem like a lunitic hell bent on having the last word in every thread.
I’m not going to feed you. I think you’re pyschotic
Dominion is highly suspect. The lies about internet capability are enough to raise eyebrows. The proof that the machines miscount ( Axiom County, MI) is another question mark, the revelation they can be programmed to for adjudication is another. The elections in AZ, WI, GA, MI are all highly suspect regardless of Dominion. The history of voter fraud in Florida, PA, IL and elsewhere is basically unchallenged.
In my opinion all of these machines are suspect and need a thorough tech examination by people other than politicians or election officials being sent vast sums by the voting machine manufacturers, Soros and Zuckerberg. .
Hire Musk to do it.
The Axiom county example flies in the face and contradicts absolutely everything you said. Axiom was an example of HUMAN error that was caught by HUMANS and corrected immediately by HUMANS.
Soros and Zuckerberg have about as much to do with Dominion as Julius Caesar, and Pompey the Great do with Dominion.
Everything you have just said is a lie, and if you look at the depositions involving Fox you will find every figure there who looked at the evidence found it to be lie.
Stop with the lying. When you slander innocent people because you need a scapegoat because you still can’t accept the results of an election what you look like to the vast majority of humanity is excrement.
Stop slandering innocent people. You just saw what the result was from Fox just stop it.
You are behaving horribly with comments like that.
How, exactly, is a machine miscounting votes a human error?
Don’t bother.
Lol
The input by humans was the cause of it. The cause was they put in the wrong input making the computer think a Republican vote was Democrat and Democrat Republican. When the extremely unexpected result happened county officials immediately investigated and corrected the error.
If you paid attention to news instead of just propaganda you would have already known that.
The fact that was corrected in a matter of minutes and the source of the error was found to be human incompetence by the people who caught it speaks for itself.
In no way does it support your slander, and your inability to accept the results of 2020 is making you turn into exactly the Democrats you pretend to oppose.
“The cause was they put in the wrong input making the computer think a Republican vote was Democrat and Democrat Republican.”
Sorry, but I’m in the industry. Designing a voting device such that a basic error like that can even be EXPRESSED is the height of incompetence.
@Henry
Which the county officials owned up to and admitted when they caught the error.
Workers in one county did something extremely incompetently, it was caught and fixed.
Human error is often incompetence.
Because the “humans” that made the machine put the ability to cheat in
Thusly, “Human error”/sarc
Your suggestion (Hire Musk to do it.) is a good one. He might bring some honesty to this whole exercise.
Musk has too much connected with China
Don’t think it would be in our favor unfortunately
There is only one way to eliminate the level of well documented voting shenanigans – including every one of those anomaly-ridden state elections used Dominion systems – and that is to go to; ‘in person’ voting, 1-day only, paper ballots with standalone on site counting machines, bi-partisan oversight, and results tallies completed by 10:00pm…exactly like it used to be.
The current crop of asinine voter rules unlawfully set in place by Democrat’s afforded them fraudulent avenues to nullify elections…AND…every election anomaly goes Democrat. Going paper has the added benefit of making “Dominion” moot. Sainara cheats.
Democrats in charge of Wisconsin Pennsylvannia, and Michigan are in charge because you insisted on nominating people who haven’t accepted 2020 yet.
They are not giving in to evidence free narratives to encourage their opposition to turnout in higher numbers, they are not going to radically change the system for the purpose of slandering Dominion.
Enough self delusions. Run on your delusions and 2022 and 2023 is just the start.
If you have given up go away, if not stop deluding yourself.
By the way name one example of all the votes being counted by 10:00.
It wasn’t 2016 (counting well into the morning). It wasn’t 2012 (also counting after the race was long decided) or 2008, 0r 2004, or 2000, or 96, or 92, or 88.
Counting takes time. There are indications that usually give the answer of how the count will turn out which is why states get called long before the count is finished (California was called seconds after the polls closed do you for a second think all of those votes got counted in under a minute?).
We have our system, stop pretending it is voter fraud it isn’t it is voter rejection of Donald Trump.
You do go on.
Missed my point entirely, it’s not about who won or lost any particular election, or the “shot across the bow” against Fox to never question…those are a distraction to the main concern: Voting/election integrity.
America voted for decades using mechanical lever machines and or paper ballots, counts were done by both parties represented…all in ONE day (excluding absentee). Save for a tiny fraction of races, never once were the important races called days or even weeks later, nor did we have the shenanigans we see now (Lake v Hobbs, c’mon, you can see that smells at every level). And, we typically always knew before the late news/bedtime who won, around 10:00pm. France still does it this way, so can we.
I helped design one of the first electronic voting systems (no, not the Sequoia)…data handling and election integrity were always the largest concern as it is “unseen” and people might not trust the system. That was decades ago…now look at the mess all these “new” voting approaches and counters and machines have created. Look at the complete lack of integrity on steroids…including Dominion machines at the center of rampant voting controversies over multiple election cycles. Smoke-fire, my friend…and fixable. But you and I know the Democrats cry foul every time someone says “election integrity”. Why?
From the past 10-15 years at least, election confidence has been seriously undermined in this country as the fraudsters get better at their game…and Fox – or anyone else for that matter – just having people on questioning odd and strange voting mess patterns in major swing states – is not a crime, it’s a valid argument. Why wouldn’t it be?
But no one is really looking at the root, just flailing about on the surface details. Voting as we now have it will never “go back”…because the current mess affords better and more open fraud, meaning more and more people will simply stop voting.
You couldn’t even stop yourselves from claiming American elections are fake and that it is all rigged in that post.
That is the entire point you are claiming the system is rigged, that the elections are fraudulent so we need to each pony up tax payer dollars in (minimum per state tens of millions).
The problem is there are dozens to hundreds of cases of voter fraud nationwide each election cycle (and not all of them are in one direction) while no state is ever decided by anywhere near that margin.
America has an honest count like it or not.
The right adopting the “MUH MFRAAAAAAAUUUUDDDDD!!!!!!!” stuff has been devastating for the right.
People are not simply not voting, people are voting against us.
Trump won fewer Wisconsin votes in 2016 than Romney in 2012. After doing nothing to expand his popularity and severely mishandling his re-election campaign the “I hate Trump” side mobilized Obama voters (remember Mitt Romney did not win Wisconsin in 2012) and crushed him.
Wisconsin was a state Hillary Clinton neither visited nor invested heavily in (she was convinced the election would be decided in Virginia).
Similar results in PA and MI.
You are right to say your narrative does have the power to persuade people on the right who desire a stab in the back mythology or anything else to confirm they didn’t lose the election.
It has nothing to do with voter integrity however.
Here is what Florida uses
https://www.vote411.org/node/8064
https://www.vote411.org/node/7503
You are free to keep spreading a self destructive narrative or you could work to help win in future.
Dear God, take a look at Fetterman and Hobbs
Exactly. Let’s just say if low information voters (h/t Rush) actually put these people into office (like the new worse Chicago mayor elect), then so be it…they deserve the resulting chaos and poor standard of living. But it is still our right and duty – the citizens that is – to question elections that smell to high Heaven, otherwise we will continue to further lose what The Founders set forth. And that is a travesty.
Fox settling was expected, they both wanted to keep whatever the truth is under wraps, which by this action exonerates Dominion going forward. Yet nothing will change until the people demand it, and right now that is not probable with the daily firehose effect keeping many on their heels simply trying to maintain a decent lifestyle, which is being undermined by government.
The election did not smell to high heaven.
You are refusing to accept its results because you are a cultist who won’t stop till Democrats control everything.
Your lies have a proven record now
Georgia Senate-Dem win
2022 midterms-Humiliation for our side
Wisconsin 2023-While we won on every ballot initiative the left took the Wisconsin supreme court.
Your narrative has a track record at the ballot box it sucks.
I see, so our historical voting operations that actually were pretty decent were stupid and the current idiocy is more advanced thus acceptable? Kind of the same with sex, thousands of years until all of a sudden the Left decided there are 42 “genders” and one simply has to believe they are the other this or that. The root problem must be excised before the heeled-over ship stops taking on water…but that’ll never happen under our current political criminal class.
Thanks for making my point.
Our historic elections had hand count by citizens if you want to cite party machinery from way back when you do so at the expense of your “MUH VOTER FRAUD MACHINE!” narrative.
Your claims of fraud on a scale that could tip a statewide election are unfounded, extremely helpful to Democrats and I don’t think you care.
You just care about your stab in the back mythology because you lack the maturity to accept the results of an election our side lost.
Final comment as this is going nowhere as typically happens…albeit sparring in such a manner can afford perspective.
You keep missing my point…I don’t care about winners or losers in this discussion, I care about knowing those who win or lose have done so honestly. All I want, as I’d like to believe most American’s would want, is election integrity. It’s not complicated.
Pie in the sky? Maybe. But never until about 10 years ago have we seen rampant distrust of elections…and that is due to what is being done to undermine integrity. That’s it, everything else is a distraction and noise to the root cause.
Cheers.
@CamperFixer: It goes back more than 10 years.
After Democrats lost three consecutive presidential elections in 1980, 84 and 88, they decided to go on a perpetual crusade to make it easier for people to register and to vote. The first innovations were benign and did not seem to favor either party. Things like extending voting hours on election day and increasing the number of precincts. And others.
Then after Clinton’s election came the National Voter Registration Act. That’s when the first “Motor Voter” laws became effective.
A few years ago authorities in PA discovered that over 100,000 non-citizens illegally got themselves registered to vote in the over two decades since the Motor Voter law was enacted, It happened because non-citizens could get a legal drivers license. To get a driver license the non-citizens literally put their immigration papers in the hands of government officials at the DMV to review. At the end of the process a government functionary asked some of them if they’d also like to register to vote. Since the non-citizens literally handed their papers to the government to review to get the license, and a government employee or contractor asked if they’d like to register, many believed they were legally allowed to register to vote.
If it happened in PA – and it absolutely did – then who knows in how many other states it happened.
That’s just one example of how making it easier to register and vote increases the potential for illegal voting.
Every one of the innovations over the past 30 years: universal mail in voting; “no excuse” absentee voting; relaxing requirements to verify signatures; ballot harvesting; and all the rest involve similar tradeoffs between making it easier to register/vote and accepting a higher level of potential illegal voting.
Republicans have gone along with some of these innovations over the past 30 years. It’s human nature to want to make it easier to do anything, including voting. It’s hard to roll these innovations back after they’ve been implemented.
There’s literally an industry of NGOs, foundations, and think tanks that publish “studies” purporting to show voter fraud is a myth. That, in part, is true because it is almost impossible to successfully prosecute voter fraud. The person committing the fraud practically has to be caught at the time the fraudulent vote is cast AND he must have the intent to commit fraud. In the PA case I noted above, there is no way a prosecutor can prove intent to commit fraud by the non-citizens.
Spot on. And yes, more than 10 years, I was merely confining the grift and cheatery to more recent times, but absolutely this is has been building steam for 30 years.
“1-day only,”
Our state constitution REQUIRES this. It defines “voting DAY” and when it will occur.
Apparently, nobody in Arizona gives a shit what our constitution says.
Exactly, and we saw Democrat strongholds (and some Rhino shops of course…that Uniparty Swamp Clubhouse thing) blatantly disregard State Election laws at will, or change them at the last minute. No one stopped them, and bought/activist judges allowed it by unlawful sleight of hand, “You have no standing”, or some such nonsense. Difficult to prove a negative.
From Georgia, Florida, and Alabama there are photos of busloads of people (the same people on the same buses) being driven from voting station to voting station (and across country and state lines) in the pre-Dominion and mail-in ballot days.
And then, years ago on Voting Day you could see a sea of California plates; the traffic north into Oregon was unbelievable.
Pet peave: when someone writes long, angry screeds, it is difficult to respond to. The case appeared to be strong against Fox, which makes me wonder why the plaintiffs settled for less than they would likey have received from a jury. It was a sure win. What did they have to lose? And why weren’t apologies part of the settlement? That is the argument I have seen from some progressives, who are ticked the case settled.
Yes…interesting, isn’t it re the continuous angry, often strained screeds. And everyone else is a liar or a dolt…..
BTW……I was chair of the elections board for a number of years, a member for 6. I have seen and been schooled on elections fraud. We have serious elections fraud in this country hence the hysteria to pretend otherwise.
Because all jury verdicts are subject to judicial review on appeal and the amount they wanted far exceeded any possible damages.
What they had to lose was winning at trial and getting awarded what they demanded, then a judge potentially lowers it to significantly lower than what they got from this settlement.
The left is upset that Dominion didn’t do whatever it could to become political and (I will not use the right) cultists are upset because Fox did the right thing and made a statement that it is the end of this lie.
I am not buying the reasoning. If a judge significantly lowered the jury award, then the judge would not have believed that Dominion suffered much damage. The position of Fox is much clearer to understand for settlement; Dominion not so much. Even if the verdict were appealed, the headlines would be that Fox lost. I came across the following reference:
Fox Can Claim Tax Writeoff For Defamation Settlement https://www.levernews.com/fox-can-claim-tax-writeoff-for-defamation-settlement/. It seems like more of a win for Fox. It will be interesting to see what happens with Lindell’s case.
Is 250 million a lot of damages?
To normal people yes
To businesses? yes
To rich people? Yes
Is that a significant sum that would have made Fox look bad?
Yes
Is that or say 300 million or 400 million something a judge could potentially have lowered a jury verdict to?
Again yes
Dominion could potentially have had on appeal to explain to the judge what quantifiable value was lost.
Remember how the Gibson case saw a judge lower the jury verdict against Oberlin by millions of dollars almost instantly to the maximum the law permitted in Ohio?
Proving Fox was liable, and that they owed damages was the easy part for Dominion thanks to the under oath testimony of the Fox talent and host of disclosure documents. The jury trial would have been only step one for Dominion.
The hard part would have been quantifying the damages to an appeals judge hearing arguments from Fox lawyers about why the damages awarded by the jury was far too high for the damages inflicted.
The reason the left is angry is the jury trial whatever an appeals court judge had to say about over a billion in damages being awarded would have made Fox look horrible and doesn’t like that that wasn’t Dominion’s goal.
They had to settle. If it was found out they were involved in a massive fraud voting the entire voting system would be invalidated. Our pretender in Chief would have been shown he was installed with not 3/4 of the votes DJT got.
Dominion is paid well to count states voting with no accountability, how it got to their counting or who else can get into their systems.
You are 100% correct.
I wonder if there are any Dominion Twitter Files?
Very possible.
A settlement is good publicity for Dominion but not a victory in the sense of a verdict and judgment as affirmed by an appellate court as was the case in the bakery on the campus of Oberlin -the facts are that despite the price tag of the settlement, Fox leads the legacy media in the ratings and the prime time shows ( Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham) each offer news and analysis that the legacy media won’t touch because it offends the narrative offered by the legacy media as the propaganda arm of the woke world and the Democrats. The price of a settlement is and must be weighed against future profits so any concerns about the future viability of Fox are unwarranted.
Jesus suffering Christ–this entire thing just cements my opinion that we need to return to paper ballots.
Problems solved.
I’d rather countenance arguments over hanging chads than whether or not a computerized voting “system” has or hasn’t been tweaked to throw elections to a particular candidate.
Marc Elias, Democratic Campaign Arm Hit With FEC Complaint For Allegedly Misclassifying Legal Payments
Democratic lawyer Marc Elias and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) are the subjects of a complaint to the Federal Election Commission (FEC) alleging that they misclassified payments.
The Elias Law Group was paid nearly $5.2 million by the DCCC from Oct. 2021 to July 2022 for legal services classified as “RECOUNT LEGAL SVCS,” despite no federal recounts taking place in that time period, and months to go until the Nov. 2022 midterm elections, according to an FEC complaint brought on April 10 by the Committee to Defeat the President, an anti-Biden Super PAC.
Just last week:
The Democratic National Committee will no longer require the services of their controversial election lawyer Marc Elias, who has been described as one of the most consequential Democrats not holding office.
Businesses make decisions on settling lawsuits based on legal expenses as much as, if not more than legal principles. Unless their reason for being is at stake in the lawsuit, costs whether they win or lose will be the deciding factor in whether to settle or not. In other words, their duties to their shareholders should prevail.
As far as MSM is concerned, if they don’t report on some event, trend, ideology, whatever, said item just doesn’t exist.
But isn’t that failure to report a serious case of mis- or mal- or counter-information? Shouldn’t MSM be liable for their withholding of facts to the citizens who are damaged by their reporting failure?
This settlement by Fox might serve as a precedent to far more such settlements in the future, when those suppressed facts make their inevitable onto the stage of current events and the suppressors make their grudging admissions, or excuses, of why they didn’t see fit to inform the public.
I’m going to echo what both Cernovich and Tucker and a few others here have said, which is that Fox flat out lied to its viewers about Dominion and other companies (Smartmatic) switching the votes of voters. The testimony is very clear, Fox executives never had any evidence that this happened, ignored evidence to the contrary, and in private, top executives, including the CEO, said that they didn’t even think the claims were accurate.
If people want to believe the 2020 election vote totals were rigged, they still can, since obviously you can still rig an election with honest voting machines by giving them a dishonest set of votes to count. (Giving the machines fraudulent votes and not giving them legitimate votes.) Maybe Fox News, OANN, Trump, etc could set up a $100m reward fund to pay any whistleblowers involved in that kind of operation to come forward with any proof. And perhaps that is what they should have done, in retrospect.
But there’s an obvious problem here, which is that we know that the Democrats rigged the game in other ways, moving states to mail-in voting and creating ballot harvesting organizations, suppressing stories on social media, and spending millions of Zuckerbucks to make sure that they had their guys on the ground wherever votes were being collected and counted. And now we’re hearing reports of phony contributions made in real people’s names. Why do all of that work and spend all of that money when all you have to do to steal an election – according to Trump, Fox, and other conservatives who should know better- is just log in to a system and type a few numbers?