Bill Maher defends Trump on Jerusalem: “I hate to agree with Donald Trump … but I do”
Palestinian side “perpetually hostile, a coiled snake…. Israel gave back Gaza and what was the result?”
Bill Maher can be infuriatingly liberal, but when he gets something right, he gets it really right. And what he frequently gets right are issues related to free speech, political correctness, liberal intolerance and false accusations of Islamophobia. And Israel.
Here are some of the things he has gotten really right that we have previously covered:
- Bill Maher Rips Liberal Fear of Free Speech
- Bill Maher: Comey demise is Bill Clinton’s fault
- Bill Maher: “I’m down with #MeToo, I’m not down with #MeCarthyism”
- Oops: Bill Maher Refers to Elizabeth Warren as “Pocahontas”
- Maher Challenges Sanders: How Will America Pay for Your Radical Agenda?
- Maher Speaks Up After Guest Blames US for Jihad
Maher’s willingness to call out liberal hypocrisy also has led him to have a realistic view of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, as we covered in Audience on Bill Maher Show Applauds Defense of Israel:
Maher has done it again, dumping a load of reality on the heads of leftists who treat the Palestinians as infants with no responsibility for their own actions and history.
Real Clear Politics has the summary and transcript, Maher Defends Jerusalem Decision: When You Win Wars You Take Land, Palestine A “Coiled Snake”
On the Friday edition of his show Real Time, HBO host Bill Maher defended President Trump’s decision to acknowledge Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, giving legitimacy to the country’s claim to the city. Maher said while he understands there will be repercussions, when you win wars you get land.
“I hate to agree with Donald Trump, but it doesn’t happen often, but I do. I don’t know why Israel — it has been their capital since 1949, it is where their government is. They’ve won all the wars thrown against them. I don’t understand why they don’t get to have their capital where they want,” he said.
“When you win a war you don’t get to take the other side’s land,” newly-minted New York Times columnist Michelle Goldberg said.
“Actually, you do,” Maher responded.
“Especially because they were attacked. I mean the country was divided, which they were okay with. They were attacked more than once and they took land in those wars that they won and there has been peace offers on the table ever since to give part of that land back,” he added.
Maher asked why is it always up to Israel to come up with a two-state solution, and when they do it is rejected and blamed for making it “impossible.” He said what is making a two-state solution impossible is the “perpetually hostile,” “coiled snake” that is Palestinian leadership.
“But what is making the essential thing that is making the two-state solution impossible is that one party is perpetually hostile, a coiled snake,” Maher said in an argument with guest panelist Michelle Goldberg.
He also said Israel has given back land, including Gaza, and said the result was not hospitals and schools but tunnels and rockets.
“Israel gave back Gaza and what was the result? Did they use the funds to build schools and hospitals? No. They used them to build tunnels to get weapons and they invited Hamas in to shell Israel across the border,” he said.
Maher told Goldberg, who protested he should go visit the West Bank, that it’s unnecessary to make the trip and that you don’t have to be a “moron” to understand the situation.
As to panelist Michelle Goldberg, Aussie Dave from IsraellyCool gets it right:
That Michelle Goldberg of the New York Times on the other hand…she’s a reminder just how far gone some of my fellow Jews are.
Here is the full transcript (via RCP):
BILL MAHER, HBO: Okay, while we’re near the Middle East let me ask about a big story that happened while we were off in December. Donald Trump: ‘Today we finally acknowledge the obvious that Jerusalem is Israel’s capital.’ He said that Israel is a sovereign nation with the right like any other sovereign nation to determine its own capital.
I hate to agree with Donald Trump, but it doesn’t happen often, but I do. I don’t know why Israel — it has been their capital since 1949, it is where their government is. They’ve won all the wars thrown against them. I don’t understand why they don’t get to have their capital where they want.
MICHELLE GOLDBERG, NEW YORK TIMES: Really, you don’t understand that?
MAHER: I understand there are repercussions.
GOLDBERG: First of all, when you win a war you don’t get to take the other side’s land.
RICK WILSON: Actually, you do.
MAHER: Actually, you do.
GOLDBERG: Under international law, you can’t.
MAHER: Especially because they were attacked. I mean the country was divided, which they were okay with. They were attacked more than once and they took land in those wars that they won and there has been peace offers on the table ever since to give part of that land back.
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What happened for the 50 years before? I mean, this has been the fact on the ground for 50 years. Israel has been a state for 70, I think, right?
WILSON: It is the capital of Israel, okay. I recognize Ro [Khanna]’s point that if we’re going to be an arbiter in the peace process that just declaring this without having trying to use that as a point of leverage in those debates, in those discussions, it might have given away a card we might have held.
I don’t think though that this is going to ultimately alter the conditions on the ground there because the Palestinian Authority, the Palestinian government is so collapsed in terms of being an effective political force in the process that the status quo is going to be the status quo for the foreseeable future.
GOLDBERG: But the problem is the message that it sent a message to everyone in the process. So it sends a message to the Palestinians that the United States is going to be even more pro-Israel than in the past. And it sends a message to the Lukid government that you can basically do anything you want. And so they responded by adapting a resolution essentially calling for the annexation of the West Bank. They passed legislation that would make it less harder to come to any sort of final status agreement on Jerusalem. And they’ve done all these things that are going to make a two-state solution impossible.
MAHER: But it’s always they’re making the two-state solution impossible.
GOLDBERG: They are!
MAHER: But what is making the essential thing that is making the two-state solution impossible is that one party is perpetually hostile, a coiled snake.
GOLDBERG: That’s not true. Come on. You should go and see what’s happening in the West Bank. If you look at the settlements, if you look at the facts on the ground. The fact that you have instead of a contiguous land mass you increasingly have these little cantons. And if you look at the way that Palestinians — most Palestinians alive today were not born during any of these wars and so the idea that their lives should be blighted because of them. Look at what Americans have to do when they go through a TSA checkpoint. They completely lose their shit. And if you imagine doing that for two hours every single day —
MAHER: But this is always what happens. We talk about what happened as a result; we don’t look at the beginning of it. Like the Israelis just put up those checkpoints for no reason. They put up those checkpoints because there was an intifada and they were having bombings every day – a pizza parlor or a bus stop was getting blown up, that’s why they built it, not for no reason.
GOLDBERG: No, because also they want to take that land.
MAHER: Some of them do, yes.
GOLDBERG: I mean they are not putting up settlements for self-defense. They are putting up the settlements because they want to have a Greater Israel, and they are going to get it.
MAHER: Some of them do, yes.
GOLDBERG: There is going to be a one-state solution. So then the question is what is that one state? Is it Jewish or is it democratic? Because it can’t be both.
MAHER: Absolutely, and that is a big problem.
GOLDBERG: So that’s the problem.
MAHER: But when the gun is to Israel’s head — it is a problem.
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GOLDBERG: You’re a rich person, you should go see what life in the West Bank is like. Go to Hebron. Like, no, go see it.
MAHER: First of all, you don’t have to go to understand this. I’m not a moron.
GOLDBERG: No, but you do. I feel like it’s hard to really get your head around how bad it is unless you see it with your own eyes.
MAHER: I understand that but Israel gave back Gaza and what was the result? Did they use the funds to build schools and hospitals? No. They used them to build tunnels to get weapons and they invited Hamas in to shell Israel across the border.
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And this bears repeating, If the Muslims would put down their arms, there’d be peace. If the Israelis put down their arms, there’d be no Israelis and no Israeli.
Boy, is it ever taking a long, long time to recognize this, but more and more are recognizing that the core texts of Islam are the problems.
It’s easy to be dispassionate (and holier than thou) when it’s not your ass on the line. Increasingly, the rest of the world’s ass IS on the line.
Islamic fascist nations with nuclear weapons:
Pakistan
Iran (thanks to obama and john kerry)
France (when france is ovetaken by Islamic births)
England (when England is overtaken by Islamic births)
Saudi Arabia (coming)
And, of course, there are our buddies in North Korea (thanks bill clinton, hillary klinton, madeline allbright, barack ‘farahkan’ obama, john kerry, and the rest of the corrupt lamebrains who, fantastically, were in power in this country and so screwed things up – while lining their pockets.)
But then, angela merkel, chuck schumer and liberal french and british leaders have proved to be much more deadly to the West than any Islamic nuclear weapon ever could be.
Relevant:
https://youtu.be/vLUrZbNqGA0
Michelle Goldberg (born 1975)[1] is an American blogger and author. She is a senior correspondent for
The American Prospect and a columnist for
The Daily Beast,
Slate, and
The New York Times.
She is a former senior writer for
The Nation magazine.
Spouse Matthew Ipcar
Matt Ipcar is the executive creative director at Blue State Digital and was a principal design leader for both Obama campaigns
Michelle Goldberg has 2 kids and try as i might i cannot find any mention of grandparents or religion —
so to make the assumption that she is Jewish is not available info.
Two liberals showing two sides of the liberal coin. One who gets it and one who cannot ever get it because their liberalism will not allow her to get it.
Settlements are not road blocks to peace. IF peace was ever reached some…SOME…of these settlements might end up being part of a Palestinian state at which point the residents would become Palestinians (instead of Israeli).
The Palestinian state would receive these citizens and their full economic value as citizens.
But no…people like Goldberg cannot get this. She cannot fathom the fact these people would become Palestinian citizens because to her, because these people are Jews means they should not be there full stop!
The thing is everyone including Goldberg knows that under any conceivable peace treaty Israel could not allow any Jews to remain living under “Palestinian” rule, because they’d soon be massacred. Peace doesn’t mean friendship; even in peace the Arabs will remain vicious antisemites thirsting for Jewish blood, and will kill any Jews left in their territory, so Israel would see it as its duty to carry them out kicking and screaming in order to save their lives.
The problem is that Goldberg and her ilk, while knowing this full well, refuse to say it out loud and acknowledge its full implication, which is that peace with such people is not worth paying for, because it will not last a moment longer than is convenient for them. And that peace with such people cannot rest on any degree of trust, so it must necessarily rest on restricting their ability to attack, which means some degree of IDF control, which means they can’t be given full sovereignty. But they already have almost everything short of full sovereignty; it’s hard to imagine what more they could be given.
Maher is like the proverbial broken clock that is right twice a day – only for for two full minutes; the rest of the 1338 minutes, he’s about as bright as hillary ‘bitches’ klinton.
It should not go unmentioned that Michelle Goldberg never brought up the Arab nations which attacked Israel and their role in creating the mess in the Middle East and helping to create the misery for the Arabs in Gaza and the West Bank. They are Arabs not “Palestinians”, which was invented for the sake of giving legitimacy to the Arabs in their attempt to take the land of Israel for themselves. Obviously the Arab countries don’t want these people in their lands so the “Palestinian” issue conveniently serves as a means to keep them locked up in the misery that the PLA and Hamas have helped create.
How do you start, instigate, fight and lose miserably war after war after war and think it is reasonable that the victor not only leave the ground gained but additionally submit to the total inhalation and surrender of their people land?
It astounds me that this farce continues.
Caught a few montages of all previous US president beginning with Bill Clinton saying exactly what I believe POTUS Trump is actually going to do. I hope India and other nations move their Embassies also. It is high time that the terrorist Arabs in Gaza, The West Bank and throughout the middle-east are placated and dealt with kid gloves.
What chaps my hide is, does Maher not know the defining difference is that Christians and Jews believe we are created in God’s image? And having been created in the image of the creator trying to understand His creation is an act of worship?
Heads up, Islam doesn’t work the same way Judaism and Christianity does. And no, atheism and science don’t work hand in hand.