People Slam Those Who Didn’t Help Woman Set on Fire on NYC Subway
One critic: “There’s no doubt that people don’t want to get involved. It’s the Daniel Penny factor.
The video of the woman set on fire on the NYC subway shows a police officer calling someone on the radio…but walking by as the woman literally burned alive.
Not one person helped her. The officer even walked by the person sitting across the door. That person calmly watched the flames burn the woman to death.
That person was illegal alien Sebastian Zapeta-Calil. The police arrested him for the crime.
But no one helped the woman. I refuse to embed the video.
Kirsten Fleming wrote in The New York Post:
But also, there’s a chilling apathy toward our fellow citizens — and a gross fascination with filming on our phones, not intervening.
Too many people captured the subway snuff film and posted their footage, with one guy commentating like he’s watching a mind-bending immersive art display.
“Sorry to his family, that’s a person right here,” the person filming says, while a chorus of “oh s–t” rings out from the crowd of onlookers.
“Nobody came to her aid,” Guardian Angels founder and community activist Curtis Sliwa told The New York Post. “There’s no doubt that people don’t want to get involved. It’s the Daniel Penny factor. It’s frozen people. They’re saying to themselves: ‘I don’t want to get jammed up like Penny.'”
Daniel Penny saved who knows how many people when he stopped Jordan Neely from attacking people on a subway.
Penny faced a second-degree manslaughter charge, which the court dropped after the jury deadlocked on it.
The jury quickly found Penny not guilty of criminally negligent homicide.
“People should have been running over to the woman on fire,” added Sliwa. “They did nothing. They said nothing.”
The DA went hard on Penny despite numerous witnesses sticking up for him and other evidence showing Penny was in the right.
“People are reticent about getting in the middle of criminal activity,” state Conservative Party Chairman Gerard Kassar commented to the New York Post. “There are a lot of New York City residents who think twice about acting because they don’t think they have the support of our Democratic elected officials. They are wary of revolving door justice.”
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I don’t think anyone could have saved the woman, She was engulfed in fire too fast. It is horrible, the prick really deserves to die.
I find it unusual that she was engulfed in flames so quickly. Was an accelerant used? I haven’t seen mention of this in any of the articles I’ve read.
It said she was surrounded by liquor bottles. She could have emptied them one way or another.
Very few liquors are flammable. I doubt a homeless bum is wallowing in Everclear or Bacardi 151.
Fire extinguisher in every car could put out just about any small fire. Could be used to beat the firebug, but you might go to prison.
In New York, such extinguishers would more likely be used by the thugs to beat and assault innocents. For them, fire extinguishers available would be just another weapon at the ready … and anyone who fought back against them would be tired into the poor house and/or imprisoned.
Anything not nailed down there will be stolen within 24 hours.
Fat Alvin will throw you in lock up if you so much as look at one of their precious “migrants” the wrong way.
Milhouse will tell us all on this Christmas Eve that this wasn’t in Fat Alvin’s district, so there couldn’t have been a chilling effect.
Of course, this was more of a heated exchange.
That’s the real reason no one helped. Who want’s the Penny Treatment. Even if you are dragged through the courts for years and get off you still have a civil lawsuit from a parasite to deal with.
The police just stood their
Just think about that
Police union. They will stand on the shore and watch person drown, and not jump in the water because the union says they aren’t trained in water rescue. In this incident the police can say they aren’t trained as firefighters.
That’s cuz they can’t swim. Duh.
Doesn’t matter if they can swim or not. If the police union says its not part of the job description, then police won’t do it.
They sure look like they could float quite effortlessly though.
The union says their first job is to return home safely to their families each night.
To protect and to serve,
Translation,
To protect our jobs and pensions and to serve ourselves donuts,
My state of Alabama sent a large number of electric service truck to NJ after Superstorm Sandy to help that state restore power. The elected representatives of NJ sent them all home because they were not part of the union. If a union, like this NY police union, is not there to support the people of that state it should not exist. I’m glad I no longer have to live with North East union graft and corruption.
Remember: i) “NYPD, ‘New York’s Finest'” (diversity and community representation take precedence over competence, intellectual ability and motivation) are the “first responders”, putting their “lives on the line every day”; ii) only LE are responsible enough to possess “arms” for self-defense; iii) SCOTUS in various rulings over the last 35+ years have “made law, codifying” that LEOs have no duty to protect individuals and are entitled to “qualified immunity”; iv) NY politicians in general suffer “depraved indifference”; v) … What was the officer on the phone supposed to do – get the fire extinguisher which is readily available in each car ?
It’s not like he had his car down in the subway.
When seconds count and the police can’t be bothered.
I would like to know why her clothing was so flammable, in part so some can be found for the perp. I honestly do not think that police could save her.
My point was about the policeman who simply walked by and did nothing.
The Supreme Court says cops are under no obligation to help the public. My more realistic way of expressing it is this: they are there to collect revenue and to hassle the common people. Remember, we’ve always had a two-level justice system. That woman on the subway was just another peasant. Had an insurance executive burst into flames. They would have helped.
Or shot him in the back.
Their, they’re, there,
This whole episode is just to horrible to contemplate, bystanders and police included.
Stop drop and roll.
Warning, the below medical description of the subway victim’s death is horribly graphic.
https://x.com/BillAckman/status/1871533531463115045
No one, including drugged up, drunk or just a probably tired student deserves a horrible death.
The illegal murderer deserves exactly that sort of horrible death.
NY politicians do not believe in the “death penalty”, only abortion.
Abortion is the Death Penalty for the Most Innocent.
Murder is bad enough, but this murder was of a complete stranger to him.
The bastard deserves torture, then death.
Sounds like he poured gasoline on her.
That is the first I heard that an accelerant was used. Nothing could have saved her.
This is the Alvin Bragg factor if someone had tried to help the arrest for first degree murder would have been instant.
The same people in South Carolina would have been falling over themselves to save her.
Alvin Bragg may not go to prison for his horror show but he will go straight to hell when he dies.
Don’t kid yourself. The next Democrat president is likely to appoint an attorney general.
Bragg has nothing to do with it. If you claim that he has a chilling factor even beyond his jurisdiction then why would South Carolina be different?
And no, nobody in Coney Island thinks they’re in Manhattan.
Farking hell, Milhouse, do you hear yourself? Do you not farking believe that the well publicized trial of another subway rider had no effect?
Someone called that this would be your reaction, and I thought nobody could be that callous. Nobody could possibly have that little common sense.
Yet here you are.
Why would it have more effect in Brooklyn than in South Carolina? Either it has a national chilling effect, or people in Brooklyn know that Bragg has no authority there and are not afraid of him. You can’t have it both ways. I assure you, people who are in Brooklyn know that they’re not in Manhattan.
And I am not nearly that dumb. New York is New York is New York. It’s the same damn subway.
There is stupid, and then there’s Milhouse.
My daughter lives in Brooklyn, and you know what? She’s aware she lives in NYC.
And yes, idiot, what happens in one part of NYC. can have a chilling effect on what happens in another part of NYC.
And it can most definitely affect other places –it’s New York.
I really wish you people who know nothing about New York would shut the hell up about New York.
Simply horrific. Words fail me.
That’s what the Cultural Marxists want, criminals preying on citizens and no one to help the victim because the Cultural Marxists will go after them if they hurt the criminal.
This right here. ^
They want people terrified of these lunatics, and they sure as hell don’t want anyone fighting back.
In Alabama things would have been different. That’s all I’ll say. You fill in the blanks.
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I tend to agree from a cultural point of view. Though our ‘Good Samaritan’ statute conferring immunity for acting to assist another in good faith is very narrowly tailored to include healthcare professionals, LEO, Fire/Rescue, EMT. I think the only protection offered to the general public is intervention in the case of a heart attack.
NYC residents already had a tendency to mind their own business. Now that Bragg has spent the last couple of years giving the law-abiding the shock collar treatment they really don’t want to know or be involved.
It’s not just the persecution show trial of Daniel Penny.
New Yorkers — the vast majority of them leftist Dhimmi-crats — have a long history of not intervening in crimes in progress, to help the victims.
These reprobates are big on making loud and sanctimonious displays of virtue-signaling pronouncements, displays and theatrics, but, can’t summon the basic moral probity and compassion to help a person in need, who is right in front of them.
To my mind, every single person who votes for Dhimmi-crat candidate and officeholders, and, who thereby supports and enables open borders and illegal alien coddling, is as guilty of this homicide as the illegal alien who committed it.
Look up the murder of Kitty Genovese, to learn about the most famous example of citizen non-intervention in a crime-in-progress, in NYC.
Yes, look it up and find that it’s a total myth invented by the NY Times. There were no witnesses to the murder, and those people who saw her staggering away from the first attack, and understood what had happened, did call the police.
Seen the arrow on the doorpost
Saying this land is condemned
All the way from New Orleans
To Jerusalem
The Guardian Angels were instrumental in saving New York from falling into an inescapable chasm in the 70s. The Guardian Angels saved the subway system – all on their own. But what they did back then – beating the living sh*t out of subway criminals on a daily basis – would have most of them in prison and Curtis Sliwa serving 837 years for whatever ridiculous charges Alvin Bragg could conjure up.
I have been amazed over the past couple of years how the Guardian Angels have so rarely been mentioned by anyone talking about the problems and dangers of New York City subways.
It is a real shame that New Yorkers were too stupid to elect Curtis Sliwa Mayor. This time, there might not be any escape for New York.
It’s interesting … the three people most instrumental in having saved New York City from the abyss – Curtis Sliwa, Donald Trump, and Rudy Giuliani – have all been treated like dirt by an unbelievably ungrateful New York City.
“It annoys the pig.”
No less than 36.5% of NYC residents are foreign-born with almost 45% of the workforce being made up of immigrants. 45% If you ever wondered what kind of cultural outcome that might produce, this event should have cleared it up for you.
It has been said that “if you bring enough of there, here,…Here will become there!”
makes me wonder – what is the historical percentage of immigrants in NYC?
Seems to me that NYC has always been a city of MANY MANY immigrants
I happened to read a long article on this subject before the election. In the last couple decades of the 19th century, it was comfortably over 40%. That fell dramatically though in the early 20th century until after WWI. Immigration increased again, significantly. During the 20th century, the peak was in the late 1930s. I think the number was roughly a third of the total population of NYC were migrants. That slowly fell again over the next 90-years…until Biden.
More people came into this country during Joe Biden’s tenure than came through Ellis Island during its operational history. Form 1892 until 1954, 12M migrants were processed at Ellis Island. While we have no way of knowing for certain how many have entered legally and illegally during Biden’s tenure, most honest observers believe the number to be something easily in excess of 12M, perhaps 15M or more.
I’d think the more important factors are that, in previous generations, most of the immigrants came from essentially the same cultural background as the Americans already here – who’d immigrated from the same, or similar, countries not long before.
And, of course, they came to become Americans. Not to colonize America to become like the craphole they’d left.
The very description of the classic “Roman Candle” of dousing a person in flammables and lighting them. Of course no one helped … they are the Eloi and model citizen victims of NYC. Forget sheeple…. think schools of fish or penguins pushing off one of the flock into water to see if lives. Pure prey;
It can be possible to tackle burning person and roll them on the ground and put out flames. That would be if they haven’t been doused in gasoline. In that was case the person coming to the rescue could burn up with them.
There comes a point when the best aid is to let the person die then rather than later,
There comes a point when the best aid is to let the person die then rather than later,
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unfortunately have to agree–fire (particularly involving accelerants) often kills the victim(s) while simultaneously repelling the rescuer(s)–unlike more common incidents involving weapons where ” clear the body, control the weapon, attack ” responses will work–regardless, a terrible way to die
Other than understanding this is a horrible way to die, I am going to hold off on judgement about those not rendering aid. I know would because I have done it in the past.
I have not seen the video where he actually set her on fire. He may have been lighting a cig for her and she caught fire. Being stupid and not knowing what to do could be a big factor in here.
I think the biggest problem is lack of personal responsibility brought on by “Woke”. It is relative to not understanding why Right to Life really means something.
The press conference said that police and others did go to her aid. Even so, that is why we have the 2nd Amendment – police are minutes away when seconds count.
Maybe I care about American is our next slogan.
There is a lot of Video footage about where the women came from. They might be able to track her and with face rec trace her for quite a few days. I read somewhere that she was burn so bad they can’t id her. It sounds like he must have used an accelerate on her. Clothes do burn pretty bad, but the fire within the car seems to be worst, thus might be caused be an agent. Interesting they are not saying. Fire expert know this almost immediately.
The real criminals here are the Democrat politicians and the voters who put them in office.
They’ve long been fully aware of the fact that their Open Borders policies allow in the worst of the worst criminals on the planet, and they’ve continued to ensure those policies stayed in place anyway – believing that the scum coming in would ensure Democrat electoral victories.