Lithium Battery Fire Smoulders in San Diego Area Warehouse, Won’t be Extinguished for “Weeks”
Community leaders are now questioning the wisdom of building new battery facilities in their areas.
We have covered a wide range of stories related to lithium battery fires over the years: In ships, those used in electric bikes, and water-drenched battery fires that occur after hurricanes and floods.
There are many challenges associated with fighting lithium/lithium-ion battery fires. The lithium is water reactive, yet water is often the only fire-fighting option in large enough quantities to fight the blaze. The materials burns at very high temperatures and is prone to re-igniting, which is why it took the fire fighters in Texas 30,000 gallons of water and four hours to extinguish a blaze.
These are facts that have been repressed by climate change activists and their media minions. However, sometimes the fires are just too big to ignore . . . like the one that just occurred in a San Diego area warehouse that smouldered for nearly a week.
The blaze has been a frustrating one for firefighters, given that lithium-ion batteries can sometimes overheat and trigger what’s called “thermal runaway” — a chain reaction in which the condition spreads from one battery to another, especially when they are stacked inside a battery storage facility.
The fire was first reported last Wednesday afternoon. By Thursday, fire officials thought the blaze had been largely extinguished but some of the batteries reignited on Friday evening and continued to flare through the weekend.
About 40 firefighters have kept a close eye on the batteries, monitoring them for excessive heat and drenching the site when puffs of smoke appear.
“We’re monitoring and spraying water when necessary,” said Cornette, who said a standpipe from the building’s sprinkler system poured 350 gallons of water per minute on the site at the height of the fire.
The fire is still not out, and firefighters think it may be weeks before it is. Residents in another San Diego community are beginning to get nervous about a proposed new battery storage warehouse going up in its neighborhood.
“We’re not sure. We’re preparing for the worst and making plans to be here for a long time, two to four weeks and will reevaluate then,” said Captain Brent Pascua with Cal Fire San Diego.
. . . . Cal Fire reports there is now major damage to the building, including the roof.
“Here in the middle of nowhere and it’s still dangerous. The facility being proposed in La Mesa is in a highly concentrated urban area,” said La Mesa Vice Mayor Laura Lothian.
The fire has captured the attention of North County residents opposing the Seguro battery storage site and now those living in La Mesa where another battery facility is in the works.
“Hasty to say the least to be building these things without thinking it all the way through,” Lothian said.
And while the the Murray Project website indicates the La Mesa project would use lithium iron phosphate batteries (a safer option that is reportedly emissions-free and non-toxic), I am getting the sense that citizens are questioning the guidance and information being provided by “subject matter experts.”
Another nearby community, Poway, is worrying about the lithium battery facility that solar energy company Arevon wants to construct in the area.
“There are 277 families that live up there (in nearby Stonebridge Estates). So it seems negligent to have a facility that’s that close to a huge urban area,” Garrison said of the NightHawk project.
Garrison’s property and the proposed facility site are both labeled as “very high fire danger zones” by CAL Fire.
However, demand for lithium-ion batteries continues to grow. They are in things like electric toothbrushes, tablets, cell phones, and electric cars.
“I don’t object at all to the idea of lithium batteries, especially with the cost of energy going up all the time,” Garrison said. “However, having (the storage facility) so close to where there are a lot of people, it just makes zero sense.”
California shows that Green Energy isn’t about protecting the environment; it’s about using regulations to nuke the competition and rake in as many dollars as possible while enjoying climate cult virtue signalling.
Beege Welborne of Hot Air offers her perspective on the California “net zero” goals that are being thrust upon the rest of the nation.
Where you run into problems going forward is that oleaginous California Governor Gavin Newsom’s insane renewable energy policies have not only precipitously forced his state into near third-world energy status but are actively endangering his citizens. To meet CA’s seemingly immutable NetZero goals and effect this marvelous transition, myriad copies of this very storage facility are being planned, with some permitted already, and a fair amount of them being dumped in the middle of residential areas.
Because “green transition.”
You pair those lithium battery fires with the built-up vegetation that can’t be cleared because of environmental regulations, add the Santa Ana winds that blow through these parts in the fall, and you have yourselves the makings of a Maui-scale fire disaster.
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“We’re monitoring and spraying water when necessary,” said Cornette, who said a standpipe from the building’s sprinkler system poured 350 gallons of water per minute on the site at the height of the fire.”
Has The Science™ changed?
Water CAUSES lithium fires, or at least it used to.
Lithium polymer is not water reactive the way elemental lithium is. The batteries can be drowned, but it yakes massive amount of water. You cannot just cool them off when they are in runaway, they must be drowned.
This is why insurance companies are likely to reject insuring buildings storing Lithium batteries. Some parking garages are banning EV from their facilities as well.
Could always bury it in sand and cap it with concrete…
Sorry, CB. That should have been a stand-alone comment.
Saw how well that strategy worked at chernobyl.
Like Chernobyl.
Yet Brandon wants an EV in every garage – paid for by taking a chicken out of every pot.
The State will create a fund to do and force taxpayers to pay for it much like subsidized hurricane insurance for people who build condo’s on the Outer Banks of NC
We still have t heard about the children that are murdered in the Maui fire
We’re lithium batteries involved in that one?
There was alot of electrical and alot of cover up just like the fires with the lithium
If you can put a man on the moon
Why can’t you put out a lithium fire?
Middleburg we put men on the moon? Hmm, inquiring minds want to know
I never doubted it till I listened to a Joe Rogan podcast with a guy who’s been investigating this for 40 years
Mans he made a lot of sense
We have definitely put people on the moon. If you don’t want to believe the original televised version was real then you can choose that but it’s pretty much moot now.
No it’s not, the government has been lying to us forever
gonzotx doesn’t believe we ever landed on the moon. She is a follower of Alex Jones, the Gateway Pundit, Q Anon, and multiple other conspiracy theories. She believes that the Jews were responsible for the attack on the Twin Towers, that the Sandy Hook murders were fake, etc. Enough is enough.
Jewish space laser zeroing in on JR’s IP address in three… two…
No, Henry. It’s not sunset yet.
When the government says a thing, it’s a lie.
HARP is in the house.
“Enough is enough.
LOL. The same could be said about your posts.
So you’ve thrown down the gauntlet, Junior. What will you do when she continues to post?
Let me know so I can make sure I have enough popcorn.
You cannot extinguish a lithium fire with water very well, because water reacts with lithium until all the lithium has been consumed, it is an exothermic reaction.
I had a lithium battery fire in my house, it was a 40 watt battery, being charged on slate inlays, (ceramic als0 works well). I put it out with a tri class fire extinguisher, no water. That was lithium polymer battery chemistry. If those batteries are not properly charged they can cause a fire.
I am using LIFePo4 chemistry in my solar system. Thye are unlikely to catch on fire. If they or any other battery are submerged in salt water, current will flow producing oxygen and hydrogen, that can lead to an explosion, the same is true for lead acid batteries. There will always be risks storing energy.
You can put a man on the moon, and you can put out a lithium fire. It’s just that neither is quick, cheap, or easy.
Our local power company is planning on building a battery storage facility out in the middle of nowhere… which is a mile and a half as the crow flies from my house.
That’s actually pretty close in reality
“Lithium Battery Fire Smolders in Warehouse”
The Trump trial is also smoldering in Georgia. But Fani is fervently fanning it.
That is FatFani, ugly as Abrams.
Total cars registered in state of CA is 31.4M. Among those 1.77M are EVs.
Or approx. 5% of cars on the road in CA are EVs.
If newsom wants to force 100% use of EVs, then multiply those battery fires by factor of 20x. Burning for weeks, not hours.
Someone should ask Gov Hair Gel at a news conference where all that power is going to come from and don’t forget all those semi’s in the ports or hauling goods into Cali
Large scale energy storage facilities are even worse. They constitute a great big thing which has four letters and begins and ends with “b”.
Barb,
Burb,
Bulb,
Boob,
Bomb?
Batteries and their connections and their housing should all be water tight, that would stop electrolysis and resulting fires and explosions. It would solve many of the problems.
Do like our grandfathers used to do and dip them in beeswax.
Though that wouldn’t work out where I live.
Don’t you need some ventilation for off gassing?
For lead acid batteries you need ventilation, for lithium you do not as long as the Battery Management System is functioning properly. Automatic fir suppression used to be rather expensive, but now ther are fire suppression balls which use a small explosive charge to spread the tri-class powder. Very slick.
Several brands: https://www.walmart.com/search?q=extingisher+fire+balls
I have almost 60KWH 48 volt battery bank, one ball on each of 4 batteries.
Gee, who would have thought that putting a bunch of lithium batteries in a place like that would be a good idea? They may be Lithium Polymer batteries but they still burn and they’re still hard as hell to put out. Not a good solution.
It it takes weeks, not hours, to extinguish EV fire, and that takes away fire fighting men and equipment needed for fire protection elsewhere.
CA is going to need much bigger fire department budget with 100% EV mandate.
What happens with EVs burning for weeks in remote locations during California’s dried out fire season with the winds gusting 45mph?
You can run but you can’t hide from CA leftist idiocracy.