“Evidence on Display at Israel’s Forensic Pathology Center Confirms Hamas’ Atrocities”
Medialine: “Many bodies, including those of babies, are without heads.” Daily Mail: “‘There is evidence of mass rape so brutal that they broke their victims’ pelvis – women, grandmothers, children.” Fox News’ Trey Yingst: “We’ve left out some incredibly graphic details about what Hamas did to the bodies of women they slaughtered. They are too disturbing to explain on TV.”
We have had many posts including video and other evidence of Hamas’ gross atrocities on Israelis during the October 7 attacks:
- Hamas Savagery Worse Than ISIS – Reports of Mass Rapes, Abusing and Beheading Bodies of Israeli Soldiers
- At Kibbutz Be’eri, Hamas Slaughtered Over 100, Kidnapped Dozens, and Executed At Least Four Captives
- Kibbutz Kfar Aza: Hamas Murdered 40 Babies, Many Decapitated
- Hamas Goal In Capturing Jewish Women, Children, and Babies Was To “Dirty Them, To Rape Them”, Admits Terrorist
- Hamas “raped the women then they burned them alive”
- Kibbutz Nir Oz: Hamas Murdered A Grandmother, Then Posted The Murder On Her Facebook Page
- Hamas Battle Plan Ordered Terrorists to Target Elementary Schools, “Kill as Many as Possible” and “Capture Hostages”
- Hamas Barbarism “Worse Than What I Saw With ISIS” – U.S. Defense Sec. Lloyd Austin
- Terrorist Captive: Admits Hamas “cut off their heads” after killing Israelis, and “raping and whoring” of children
- VIDEO: Gaza “Civilians” Loot Israeli Kibbutz Be’eri During Hamas Massacre
- “Hundreds of dead people in Israel are still unidentifiable because of what Hamas terrorists did to their bodies.”
- New Website Documents All War Crimes of Hamas Since October 7th
- Israeli Defense Forces Release Graphic Video of Hamas Attacks on Israel
Yet not surprisingly, there is a vast internet effort to deny what happened. They demand to see beheaded Jewish babies, so they can get sick pleasure, but even photos would not satisfy them. They would run the photos through false and inaccurate “AI detectors” and dispute anything and everything.
Some of the deniers are just evil.
Had not heard of him until recently, he is non-stop circulating misleading claims about Israel, minimizing Hamas atrocities, trying to incite people, really terrible person, based on his replies seems like he is a big hit in the jihadist world and is being boosted. https://t.co/YGc9SuUQGu
— William A. Jacobson (@wajacobson) October 22, 2023
Yeah, I really didn't want to share it,
But denialism is complicity https://t.co/XkSIhblB5C pic.twitter.com/RwmRv0bgyi
— Adin – עדין (@AdinHaykin1) October 22, 2023
Some of them are just clownish or pedantic:
If this is true and Hamas beheaded only some of the 40 babies then we apologise unreservedly. The last thing we’d want to do is cast Hamas in a bad light as having cut off more infant heads than they actually did. pic.twitter.com/SLzPreIZQo
— leekern (@leekern13) October 11, 2023
[NY Magazine reporter Eric Levitz]
The Israeli Forensic Pathology Center has made a lot of evidence available, including of the decapitated babies.
I've been asked, repeatedly, and by serious people, why the media circulated "disinformation" around Hamas beheading babies. It was not disinformation. There was first-hand evidence from the start. You just didn't want to see it. https://t.co/sV15WO3Kgd
— Shashank Joshi (@shashj) October 22, 2023
Media Line reports, Evidence on Display at Israel’s Forensic Pathology Center Confirms Hamas’ Atrocities. I’m including some of the photos, but you should read the article for all the details:
In light of the growing international interest in (and denials of) the Palestinian terror group Hamas’ October 7 massacre in southern Israel, representatives of the global press were invited to see the horrors for themselves.
Forensic pathologists, including Israeli staffers as well as volunteers from abroad, were visibly disturbed by the evidence before them. Despite every effort to remain objective and detached—as called for by the profession—many broke down into tears throughout the day.
During the initial press conference, the forensics team showed images from their investigations. Among the images were those of charred hands with marks that revealed where the victims’ hands were bound behind their backs with metal wire before being burned alive.
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Perhaps the most disturbing image in the slideshow was a completely charred mass of flesh, which at first glance could not be seen as ever having belonged to a human. It was only after a CT scan was done that experts could see the inhumanity of the image.
Two spinal cords—one belonging to an adult, one to someone young—a parent and child bound together by metal wires in a final embrace before being set alight.
“When you do this job downstairs, you get detached,” Dr. Chen Kugel, the head of Abu Kabir, told The Media Line. “But then you learn the stories and connect to the people. It’s hard not to feel the tragedy. It’s so big. And when I go to the Shura camp [where deceased bodies in Israel are first collected] and see containers like you’d see at the port—but they’re all full of bodies… And you hear the stories—that behind their charred bodies, something terrible happened—it’s very difficult. I’ve seen many things in my 31-year career, but the magnitude and the cruelty [here] is terrible,” Kugel added.
“The proportion of bodies we’ve received who are charred is high,” Kugel explained. “Many have gunshot wounds in their hands, showing they put their hands up to their faces in defense. Many were burned alive in their homes. … We know they were burned alive because there is soot in their trachea, their throats—meaning they were still breathing when set on fire.”
The single mercy, Kugel said—if there is one to be found—is that the burned victims likely died from carbon monoxide and soot inhalation before the fire killed them.
Kugel also explained that the age range of the victims spans from 3 months to 80 or 90 years old. Many bodies, including those of babies, are without heads.
Asked if they were decapitated, Kugel answered yes. Although he admits that, given the circumstances, it’s difficult to ascertain whether they were decapitated before or after death, as well as how they were beheaded, “whether cut off by knife or blown off by RPG,” he explained….
Fighting back tears, Israeli forensic pathologist Dr. Hagar Mizrahi explained that “as you know, the Jewish people must bury their dead as soon as possible.” But as of this writing, nearly two weeks have passed since the massacre, and some 350 bodies remain unidentified. “So, the people here at Abu Kabir are doing their best to help and identify the most severe cases that arrive.”
Trey Yingst of Fox News, who reports from the Middle East, described video he has seen:
NEW: Hamas militants were told by commanders to behead Israelis and cut their feet on October 7th, according to an Israeli interrogation video obtained and reviewed by Fox News.
A militant in his 20s also describes how Hamas used Telegram to share videos in real time as they conducted the massacre.
This militant says his commander, a man from Gaza City, told them they should not expect to return. We’ve left out some incredibly graphic details about what Hamas did to the bodies of women they slaughtered. They are too disturbing to explain on TV.
NEW: Hamas militants were told by commanders to behead Israelis and cut their feet on October 7th, according to an Israeli interrogation video obtained and reviewed by Fox News.
A militant in his 20s also describes how Hamas used Telegram to share videos in real time as they… pic.twitter.com/Da4prmxQrI
— Trey Yingst (@TreyYingst) October 21, 2023
While I have no reason to doubt him, he really needed to at least describe it.
We get an idea of what they did to the women from this Daily Mail report:
‘There is evidence of mass rape of so brutal that they broke their victims’ pelvis – women, grandmothers, children. https://t.co/JrBzbC8Oek
— Christine Kensche (@c_kensche) October 21, 2023
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A volunteer with the unit responsible for identifying female victims of the Hamas massacre describes the brutality of Hamas: people were burned alive, shot in the head, body parts were cut off; women, from children to elderly, were raped "to the point where bones were broken."… pic.twitter.com/lNQ9YEcXey
— Israel War Room (@IsraelWarRoom) October 23, 2023
Israeli first responders are shaken:
Israel’s search and rescue teams have seen the worst of what Hamas perpetrated. Bodies with limbs cut off. People burned alive. Children bound together and tortured.
What they have seen tortures their minds. pic.twitter.com/tHC8TLH3bf
— Aviva Klompas (@AvivaKlompas) October 22, 2023
Because of the denalism, Israel will be giving a full unfiltered screening to foreign journalists on Monday, October 23, of Hamas bodycam footage:
We are witnessing a Holocaust denial-like phenomenon unfolding in real time.
So tomorrow, Israel will screen for foreign journalists the raw, unedited footage of Hamas’ atrocities in the October 7 Massacre, as captured by its death squads’ body cams. pic.twitter.com/wm7rjuvFsn
— Eylon Levy (@EylonALevy) October 22, 2023
We do not know all of what happened yet. My mind keeps coming back to Prof. Eugene Kontorovich’s statement:
Perhaps the greatest mercy Israel is showing to Gaza is not releasing to the public the full details of what was done by the invaders to their victims. Ostensibly for the sensitivities of the families, but also I think because what populace would be able to restrain themselves?
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Hamas has revealed the true nature of muslims.
As did ISIS before them, and as Hezbollah will, in the fullness of time. There is no possible punishment to fit so monstrous a crime, and simple death for the Hamas murderers is to be too merciful.
Islam is the antithesis of Christianity: no mercy, no love. It’s a totalitarian political movement disguised as a “religion.”
Nope, it is a religion. There’s nothing in the concept of “religion” that contradicts totalitarianism and bloodlust.
We know what the Arabs did to their victims’ bodies in 1920, 1929, 1936, and 1948. That’s thoroughly documented. Nobody familiar with that history has any business casting any doubt on these reports; they’re inherently plausible because they’re completely consistent with the history.
Hamas’ attack was extraordinarily brutal because they knew Israel had no choice but to eliminate Hamas.
Hamas knew the backlash Israel would receive by eliminating Hamas.
Israel needs to do something real persuasive PR to respond to the backlash.
There is absolutely NOTHING Israel can do that would convince those in the west who already detest Israels existence that what ever action it takes on the ground in Gaza is justified.
What Israel needs to do is stop worrying about what everyone else will think of them and just get in and do what they should have done last time this was kicked off by Hamas. If they dont then this will just repeat itself in another 4 or 5 years.
Yup. Nuke them from space. It’s the only way to be sure. Too quick and merciful, perhaps, but necessary.
Sadly … and pathetically, the world does not care about any of this. Anyone who thought that most humans on this planet were moral creatures is exceedingly naive and devoid of much knowledge of history. Further, war is not an enterprise of morality.
Hamas, and the palestinians who support them, and everyone who supports their savagery, are complete animals who have to be punished with excessive cruelty that makes their initial attack look like child’s play. That is how these things work. That is how these things have always worked. The response to an act of savagery has to be far more savage and complete … because people need to understand that when they take such actions they are going to lose a whole hell of a lot of stuff, and lose their lives and the lives of those they value in the most painful and horrible ways. Further, Israel has to take the one thing that arabs/muslims really value – land. Huge parts of gaza need to be taken by Israel and annex it – NEVER allowing any discussions of it being given up. Israel’s major mistake in the past was to ever give back any land it won in war with the arabs. Arabs start wars of annihilation then they need to lose land. Period. Until the arabs fear losing something (other than people, since arabs don’t value individual life at all – not even a little, tiny bit) they will not stop attacking Israel (and making threats of themselves against most other civilized societies).
Israel is between a rock and hard place. The world doesn’t care about how despicable and savage the arabs are. Israel needs to do what it has to do for its own survival, because the hamas attack just showed what would happen over the entire nation of Israel if the Israeli military were to lose (which is not out of the realm of possibility if Israel insists on fighting with idiot-rules made by nations that either don’t fight wars or haven’t won any since they adopted the idiot-rules).
In the end, however, all threats from the arab/persian/muslim world against the civilized owrld start and stop with control of the gulf oil fields. That is the only source of power the APM world has. The only one. And it isn’t even theirs since they stole those fields in the forced nationalizations of the 1950s and 1960s. Take control of the oil fields away from the arabs and persians and all threats from the APM world disappear. And taking oil fields is about the easiest military task there is, versus trying to fight armies and nations. But … the West likes to pretend that they don’t know this simple fact, and so the threats from the APM world continue – and they are very, very, very serious.
At this point I don’t know if there’s any evidence that could convince the deniers at this point. They’re either motivated by pure hatred of Jews or they are seriously psychologically messed up. Of course, the two are not mutually exclusive … perhaps even highly correlated.
There is a cottage industry of baby beheading experts on Twitter right now, and they’re all sympathetic to Hamas. It’s one of the most depressing things to behold. Truly bizarre. As if these savages would draw the line at beheading babies.
I hear you and I’ve seen it too and it’s disgusting.
I question multiple things about the motives and methods for obtaining expertise of anyone claiming to be an expert on beheadings of any human, much less babies.
At the rate were going now, it won’t be long until American schools are indistinguishable from Palestinian schools teaching their young pupils to aspire to slaughtering Jews.
It is sad what is happening in the US education system.. I had a very conservative employee say that all people in Israel were Zionists, it never clicked to him that 20% of Israel citizens are Muslim. He knew nothing about the many wars in Israel in just the 1900’s he know nothing about how Egypt lost Gaza. He knew nothing about how the surrounding countries refuse to allow Gaza residents to immigrate.
I can sort of understand some of the left’s seemingly insane reaction … the average abortionist beheads more than 40 babies in less than a week. Then Planned Unparenthood sells the baby parts for experiments because “I want a Lamborghini.” …
For the left, much of their reaction to hamas is just professional courtesy. Birds of a feather.
As long as an abortion is the result, I guess they don’t really care if it’s her choice or not.
The deniers will always deny. Better they do. It shows everyone who they are.
It’s the appeasers and enablers that need to be informed, and confronted if necessary, unless they want to be deniers.
If Muslims don’t condemn this, it shows that Islam is not a real religion, and that is because any “religion” that condones such atrocities has no moral center. If it has no moral center, it denies the existence of G-d. Yes, Islam may have the trappings of a religion, such that Muslims bow down five times a day, but they are bowing to no-god (sort of like virtue signaling). They’re so called religion is an exercise in pretense. As ad38999 says above, Islam is a political movement disguised as a religion. It should be treated as such
Doesn’t follow. Who says religions must have a moral center? Or that that moral center must align with ours? Most of the world’s religions throughout history have either not had one, or had one that we would consider evil. Consider the Carthaginians, the Aztecs, and the Thugs, for three examples.
For that matter, who says a religion must believe in a god or gods? Buddhism doesn’t. Scientology certainly doesn’t. For that matter, Unitarian Universalism is kind of iffy on the subject, as is Reform Judaism, from which it is barely distinguishable. Islam is a religion because it’s baked into the definition; if you exclude Islam you’re defining it wrong.
islam is a political ideology with an attendant mythology, and a pretty ridiculous one, at that. It demands the power of state wherever it is, which makes it political and not religious. islam is not a religion.
islam is just about state power. mo just lied to insert himself into the Biblical narrative in order to steal some immediate religious legitimacy and try to leech off of the long established history of Judaism, though we all know that islam had absolutely nothing to do with Judaism. It was just mo making stuff up, stealing other people’s writings (and then perverting and calling the originals “liars” to explain the difference!) and looking for an instant legitimacy to lend itself to his drive of raiding and national conquest.
That sounds like a lot of religions. It’s what atheists say about Judaism and Christianity too.
Atheists can say whatever they want. Christianity has no state aspirations, in the religion, itself. Judaism is certainly part political, as it defined the Jewish Nation, itself, but Judaism has no state interests outside of the Promised land and does not proselytize or seek to gain converts in any way.
islam, as usual, stole from Judaism and Christianity and then perverted the ideas and turned them into something lethal; it took the governing part from Judaism and it took the desire to proselytize and convert all to islam everywhere from Christianity and combined them into a lethal brew that is a political ideology (a rather nasty, violent, aggressive one, at that) which seeks world domination and control over all powers of human affairs everywhere. That is distinctly political.
islam is no more a religion than communism is, but it can be far more dangerous and deadlier than communism if the muslims retain control of the gulf oil fields. It cannot be repeated enough: All threats from the APM world start and stop with control of the gulf oil fields. Period.
None of that changes the fact that it is a religion, and that any definition of religion that excludes it is ipso facto invalid.
It also doesn’t change the fact that the people who proposed and ratified the first amendment did mean to include Islam; many of them explicitly said so. And they were under no illusions about its nature.
reply to milhouse:
Says who?
islam demands the power of state – always and everywhere. That makes it a political ideology. This ain’t rocket surgery.
Says every honest person in the world. Any definition of “religion” that excludes Islam is like a definition of “animal” that excludes elephants.
No, it doesn’t.
“islam demands the power of state – always and everywhere. That makes it a political ideology. This ain’t rocket surgery.”
I don’t know of any reason that something can’t be both a political ideology *and* a religion.
You have to distinguish between a philosophy and a religion. Also, even the primitive “religions” I do not believe advocated raping and burning alive others. Some of the other “religions” you name qualify more as philosophies than religions.
Existentialism is a philosophy. Nihilism is a philosophy. Buddhism is a religion. Which of the religions I named do you think were not religions?
Islam is indisputably a religion; it’s one of the first examples of a religion that anyone comes up with. It’s certainly one of the examples the USA’s founders repeatedly came up with to show what they meant by “religion”.
Defining religion so as to exclude Islam is like defining “food” so as to exclude human flesh, and then claiming that therefore cannibalism is an example of pica. No. Human flesh is food that it is wrong to eat, that our culture teaches to be revolted by the thought of eating, but it remains food, and eating it is not pica. Likewise, even if we think Islam is a revolting or evil religion, that makes it no different from many other religions that are even more revolting or evil.
Are you joking?! Burning people alive was a regular part of many ancient and not-so-ancient religions, from Carthage to Ireland to India. And so was rape, though history books mention it less often, or only hint at it.
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“They would run the photos through false and inaccurate “AI detectors”X”
Sympathetic Hamas allies will process authentic images – albeit only very subtly – and then surreptitiously release those altered images into the wild for others to “detect,” thereby ensnaring erstwhile Israeli allies in a tech pitfall.
With the horrors of these barbaric attacks in sight is it too soon to ask why communities of Israeli citizens were by law kept 98% disarmed while their murderers were within close view mere yards away shielded only by a weak walk easily breached? Isn’t it about time Israel admits the value of a right to arms, yet I see barely any mention of their disastrous policy. Wouldn’t have saved a lot of them, but probably some, and it sure might have given Hamas second thoughts about what they planned had their victims been armed.
Israelis in general don’t really get the whole concept of inalienable rights. They don’t even have the freedom of speech, the way we do here. Their speech is restricted the way it is in Canada and in Europe, and they seem to think that’s just fine.
As for the right to keep and bear arms, they have no cultural history of ever recognizing such a right, and the whole notion that it is a fundamental human right, one of those with which all human beings have been endowed by their Creator, that just seems bizarre to them, some kind of sick American fantasy. That’s how even conservative people think of it in Europe, and that’s how Israelis think of it. Even Ben-Gvir, who’s been pushing for a long time to liberalize the gun laws, doesn’t really get that it’s a fundamental human right.
As for the Israeli left, they use term like “democracy”, “rule of law”, and “civil liberties” without the faintest concept of what they mean. The American left mostly does understand these concepts, and rejects them. The Israeli left just doesn’t understand them, and honestly thinks it is championing them when it’s really doing the opposite.
The only one who I think really does get it is Moshe Feiglin, and unfortunately he is nowhere politically. He messed up his big opportunity and will almost certainly never get another one. It’s a great pity.
I hope the Israelis level Gaza and kill every last person who picked up a gun for Hamas, but to suggest all muslims would rape, kill and defile Jews as Hamas/Isis have is just pablum for small minds.
The inability to make distinctions between people is the same disease that drives Hamas and the idiots that support them.
Not all Moslems would do it or even support it, but the vast majority of the Gaza strip’s residents would either do it themselves, or wish they could bring themselves to do it and support those who can. Especially the younger ones, who’ve been brainwashed from early childhood with this belief.
Imagine someone who was brought up from birth to believe that Jews are actual, literal vampires. And not the friendly kind of vampires in a lot of modern fiction; the old-fashioned irredeemably inherently evil kind, whose very existence puts every human in danger. Such a person, even if he were completely moral and ethical, would act like a monster; in fact the more moral and ethical he were, the more monstrous would his actions be.
Now the word is they were on a form of speed, get them in the right frame of mind
Not really their fault , drug related
“A militant in his 20s also describes how Hamas used Telegram to share videos in real time as they conducted the massacre.”
Good thing they didn’t use X. Mean tweets can get you persecuted by Democrats.
Curiously, Telegram forbids the “promotion of violence” on only PUBLIC channels. So these terrorists may even have been compliant with the TOS.