DeSantis: I Will Actually Drain The Swamp and Rein In the Deep State, Here’s How
“We’re not going to let all this power accumulate in Washington, we’re going to break up these agencies”
Florida Governor Ron DeSantis (R) is serious about restoring executive branch agencies and rebuilding trust with the American people who have been shocked and appalled at the weaponization of government by the Biden administration (and before that, by the Obama administration).
The federal government, specifically the executive branch alphabet agencies, has been completely corrupted by the Obama-Biden and now the Biden-Harris administrations. We all know it, and we are all disgusted and disheartened by the myriad ways the Obama administration targeted political opponents.
That’s why Trump’s 2016 campaign cry to “Drain the swamp” was so potent. We knew the depth and breadth of the corruption, the partisan banana republic-style attacks on political opponents, and we wanted it stopped.
Unfortunately, Trump was not able to drain the swamp at all, not even a little bit, so when Biden took office in 2021, he just got to work picking up Obama’s attacks on dissent with the deep state still fully embedded throughout the executive branch (having spent the intervening years openly working as “the Resistance” to Trump’s—the duly-elected president’s—agenda). Indeed, Biden ramped this up and started attacking individual Americans: parents, pro-life activists, J6 paraders, members of the right media, even random social media users.
Having served in Congress during the Obama years and served as governor of Florida during the Trump presidency and Biden’s residency, DeSantis is well aware of these unAmerican actions against Democrats’ political opposition. He is also, it seems to me, uniquely qualified to dismantle the entire mess and get things back on track that can be salvaged and demolish what cannot.
DeSantis lays out some of his proposed actions should he win the GOP nomination and then the general. These include everything from removing the worst offenders (like the current FBI director, Christopher Wray, whose appointment by Trump was among his worst personnel selections, and that’s saying something), firing career federal employees who have demonstrated political bias and a partisan agenda, revoking security clearances of former federal employees, moving entire agencies out of DC, and putting a stop to federal interference with Americans’ right to free speech, association, and religion (i.e. stop the “misinformation” lunacy).
.@RonDeSantis: "With me, on day one, you get a new director of the FBI. We need that." pic.twitter.com/49YD4azIjs
— The Daily Signal (@DailySignal) July 14, 2023
Republican presidential hopeful and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis has vowed to fire any Federal Bureau of Investigation agent who harasses a pro-life activist if elected in 2024.
In an interview with former Fox News opinion host Tucker Carlson at the Family Leadership Summit in Des Moines, Iowa, DeSantis was asked about holding federal government employees accountable for their actions.
DeSantis replied that there are “levers that you can pull” to have accountability in the federal government, adding that “I think we can fire” any federal bureaucrat who acts badly.
“If we have an FBI agent going to harass a pro-life activist like they did Mark Houck and send a SWAT team, I’d fire them immediately,” he declared, receiving applause.
“When you have FBI colluding with big tech to censor dissent, I would fire those people. Had I been president [in] 2020, Anthony Fauci would have been fired. And you’ve got to be willing to do it.”
🔥 Check out @RonDeSantis' FULL INTERVIEW with @TuckerCarlson from @theFAMiLYLEADER Summit. pic.twitter.com/VeS787omaU
— DeSantis War Room 🐊 (@DeSantisWarRoom) July 14, 2023
Breaking up offending agencies, particularly the DOJ, and shipping its various parts all over the country is an important of DeSantis’ plan.
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis has been working for months on plans to tear down and rebuild both the Department of Justice and the FBI, consulting with experts and members of Congress to develop a “Day One” strategy to end what conservatives see as the weaponization of the justice system.
The governor has privately told advisors that he will hire and fire plenty of federal personnel, reorganize entire agencies, and execute a “disciplined” and “relentless” strategy to restore the Justice Department to a mission more in line with what the “Founding Fathers envisioned.”
But his ambitions go beyond bureaucratic restructuring. He wants to physically remove large swathes of the DOJ from the District of Columbia, including FBI headquarters, RealClearPolitics is first to report.
“We’re not going to let all this power accumulate in Washington, we’re going to break up these agencies,” DeSantis said during a private strategy session over the weekend, excerpts of which were obtained exclusively by RCP. He vowed in that call to order “some of the problematic components of the DOJ” be uprooted, reorganized, and then promptly “shipped to other parts of the country.”
This fits with one of the central themes of the DeSantis campaign, namely that he’d be “an energetic executive,” a president with the focus and attention to detail necessary to make the most of his Article II powers. On the stump, the governor regularly wins applause from primary voters for promising not just to wage war on the so-called deep state, but to end it.
Ed Morrissey over at Hot Air has more:
The swamp didn’t get drained in 2017, and there’s a reason why. Carlson asks Ron DeSantis what he plans to do with the FBI and Christopher Wray, and DeSantis offers what has become the mainstream GOP position — fire leadership “on Day One,” move the HQ, and so on. But to fight the bureaucratic state, you have to prepare for a lot more on Day One. Not only do you need to have your own team ready at that time, but you also need people who will stand up to popular criticism.
DeSantis pledges an administration staffed by appointees with the moral strength of Clarence Thomas.
. . . . This answer goes well beyond “a new director of the FBI,” and it is a direct (if sotto voce) contrast with Trump’s track record. For the first two years of Trump’s presidency, his administration left hundreds of appointments unfilled, leaving a vacuum for careerists to fill without any supervision. His team at the time argued that the strategy was deliberate, and intended to shrink the “deep state,” but all it did was allow it to operate unchecked. And where Trump did fill positions, he largely filled them with choices who turned out to be poorly considered. Don’t take my word for that, either; Trump spends most of the time complaining about and insulting the people he himself hired.
. . . . It’s the difference between sloganeering and governing. It takes organizational skill, a good network of candidates for the positions, and a leader with a clear and detailed vision of swamp-draining to succeed. The bureaucratic state will not retreat just in the face of bluster and threats. Only specific, consistent authority and accountability will work.
Ron DeSantis has a smart, methodical, savage plan on how to effectively deal with the Deep State starting on day one. Does anyone doubt that he'd do it if elected? Guy is a machine. pic.twitter.com/tTDtb8b6BE
— Scott Morefield (@SKMorefield) July 14, 2023
There is a huge difference between sloganeering and governing, and while Trump excels at the former, DeSantis excels at the latter.
Indeed, according to reports, Team DeSantis has been working for months on a plan to reConstitutionalize the federal government.
Reports suggest that DeSantis has been working on his plan for months, collaborating with members of Congress such as Representatives Thomas Massie and Chip Roy, as well as organizations like the Heritage Foundation and the Hoover Institution. His approach to dismantling what he called the “deep state” involves acting swiftly through the executive branch, in lieu of congressional approval. Unlike some federal positions, such as FBI director or Attorney General, DeSantis does not believe certain federal employees are immune from having their employment terminated by the president.
. . . . Among those DeSantis aims to shake off include “the intelligence and national security class” often employed as paid cable news contributors after leaving public service. The governor already has a list of security clearances to be revoked: the more than 50 former senior intelligence officials who signed a public letter ahead of the 2020 election claiming that the Hunter Biden laptop story was Russian a disinformation campaign.
As Governor DeSantis continues to run his presidential campaign, his plans to reshape and “re-constitutionalize” the executive branch are timely as Americans watch the DOJ’s indictment and continued investigations against his GOP primary rival, former President Trump.
It’s a safe bet that DeSantis is wise (and savvy) enough not to put all his cards on the table prior to taking office, so you can be sure that he has a lot more in store for the corrupt “resistance” deep state and its lawless enablers.
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Good for DeSantis. Trump talked a good game and sent thousands of tweets, but accomplished very little else.
Trump couldn’t drain the swamp because Bitch McConnell kept the Senate ‘in session’ for FOUR YEARS specifically to deny him the ability to ever appoint anybody the Swamp didn’t approve of.
Literally never in the history of the country has a Senate of the same theoretical party as a President kept them ‘in session’ the entire 4 years.
Trump endorsed McConnell for reelection. Give me a break!
Another reason is that they took out General Flynn straight out, and he was going to be Trumps point man on draining the swamp.
Nevertheless he has done more to being the process. He got the exact swamp crreatures to reveal themselves.
Dude, what is this? Some poor schlub Trump totally abandoned was too stupid to have a lawyer present during his interrogation and it’s a win for Trump? What is this magic logic you have invented?
Note to all: NEVER, EVER speak to any fed without an attorney present. EVER. It’s not hard. Most people know this.
Spoken like a true swamp creature.
And here is the problem with Only Trumpers. They have no idea what the swamp is (me?!? Seriously?! I write and edit at a blog; I have nothing to do with the executive branch or DC), but they KNOW how to fix it: elect Trump (who cannot win a general, including a completely fair one). Yeah, Trump’s gonna get me run out of DC on a rail. Or something.
Completely nuts.
How do you even respond to this level of ignorance coupled with unsettling hero worship of a man who failed at every single thing he promised? I can’t even.
Yeah we know. you cant’t be a swamp creatue just like Legal Smeagol can’t be a swamp creature because he is just a lawyer and Youtube commentator.
I believe the entire hitjob began when a couple of FBI agents visited Gen. Flynn in the Whitehouse as the Trump Administration was taking over claiming to be conducting routine interviews with incoming personnel. Flynn, not expecting anything, sat down and talked with them not realizing the real reason they were there which was to concoct an investigation into someone that was planning on an investigation into all the shady dealings by the Deep State especially the DOD and Dept of State
Yes, Fuzzy, YOU are a swamp creature.
How can we tell?
Because you foment discord within the movement. You parrot swamp rhetoric.
Like this–
“elect Trump (who cannot win a general, including a completely fair one).”
Did you miss the2016 election? Or, perhaps you think THAT wasn’t a ‘fair’ election–perhaps you’re insinuating that maybe the russian collusion was real? Because how else could a person state that an elected president couldn’t win an election?
Here’s another weird thing–the same people saying he’s unelectable now, (the folks bankrolling Ron, sadly) are the same ones who said it in 2016
And they’re the same people who say that Biden manufactured more votes than Obama while winning fewer counties.
And this–
” I write and edit at a blog; I have nothing to do with the executive branch or DC),”
Executive branch? What the hell are you talking about?
Do you really not know what the swamp is?
It’s not a branch of government.
It’s the entrenched bureaucracy. And swamp creatures, such as yourself, are those who aid and abet it, willingly or in ignorance.
Pointing people in the wrong direction about what the swamp is happens to be a typical diversionary tactic used by swamp creatures.
Lastly this–
“And here is the problem with Only Trumpers.”
There are no ‘onlytrumpers’–especially wrt DeSantis. DeSantis is a hero in the MAGA community because he IS a MAGA governor.–it’s what pisses Trump off so much about him.
But DeSantis doesn’t want to undermine Trump. DeSantis doesn’t want to reverse Trump. DeSantis campaign is that he can be a more effective Trump.
And he and Ramaswamy are fighting that battle out between themselves.
But no one who is actually on the right is an ‘only’ anything –because we know that the left never sleeps.
Only leftists pretending to be on the right –nevertrumpers– have the luxury to be ‘only’ voters. Because they’re either actually or ignorantly hoping that the left wins.
But you don’t have to be a swamp creature. Support DeSantis all you want, fight for him to win the primary –just do so without using the GOPe and leftist talking points. If he’s so good, find ways to say it that don’t suggest that the mainstream media is a valid source of information.
It’s not hard. I do it all the time when defending DeSantis against the GOPe and leftist punditry who are not finding him useful at the moment.
I use my own thoughts and opinions, and if you don’t like them, don’t read my comments. But do not, do not, tell me what I can and can’t say. Who do you think you are?
And what is Trump’s plan to circumvent this strategy? Oh, right, he has no plan. Just more empty promises. You good with that? Or might you consider someone who doesn’t blow smoke up your butt and has a solid record of achieving his goals?
Correct. I have not heard one concrete plan by Trump, yet, for dealing with anything. If he is nominated I will vote for him but he is not my first choice
Okay, he does have one plan: to implement schedule f to fire some fed employees.
Schedule F, is the only potential tool in the tool box. Legislative action will be thwarted in the Senate.
Trump’s plan looks like:
1. Get elected to avoid any indictments….
2. Figure the rest out later
I’m not saying he deserves everything being weaponized against him but the point is that is his only concern and plan right now. Trumpets won’t admit how neutralized he is at this point.
Strange that you revealed his first term in office. He had no plan. Had not vetted one person for any job. Had no idea what to do or how to do it and totally mucked it all up. Except for Biden’s choices, Trumps are probably the worst cabinet and agency heads ever picked by a POTUS.
Trump’s plan?
Stop trying to appease and include the GOPe.
That’s it.
It’s a great plan.
Really? How did that work out for him last time? We don’t have to like it, but there are districts in this country and states that will elect establishment Republicans. They go to Congress and represent their constituents (those who voted for establishment), and no Republican president under our Constitution can do anything lasting without working with and including these establishment Republicans. Presidents are not kings; they have to work with the duly-elected representatives and Senators that the American people send to Congress in order to pass legislation that can then be signed into law. That is our Constitutional Republic in a nutshell, or do you not understand that?
“Really? How did that work out for him last time? ”
Don’t know he listened to advisors that kept telling him he had to appease you and your ilk.
That’s over.
You know we get one of your sort every few months. Big mouths who haven’t taken the time to review the site, understand who we are, what we’ve written, where we stand. It’s always a surprise, though, probably because in between these little (invariably short-term) visits, everything is so much better that I forget there’s another one right around the next corner. Your first comment at LI was on May 30th, 2023, yet here you are. It’s deja vu all over again. /smh
That’s right, just like Trump, blame everybody else for his own failings. He just blamed Wray on Christie!
Delusional and untrue
Fuzzy doesn’t like 45.. That’s fine. I do. I am not stupid. I am not delusional. Neither is she. We are both reasonable people.. So are you..
I like to think about the whole person. Who relates to the masses? Who is more human?. Those are special qualities that are almost impossible to describe. 45 has that special quality.. and what was so great, was seeing him in other countries. He was respected. Our country was respected, our economy flourished. How can anyone say that was a failure? SMH.. Ron is another politician, he is really good at it..but, I fully believe he would have lost to that nutter Andrew Gillum, if it wasn’t for 45. There is something off about Ron.. everyday people are sensing it. If he had that special magic,, I think he would be doing much better..I guess you could call it authenticity. 45 is flawed, but he is authentic. Ron, not so much.
What is interesting to me is that for a long time, I thought those of us under 45’s spell, suffering from delusions, were in a distinct minority here. Now I wonder.
IIRC Fuzzy did not want 45 before he was 45.. back in 2016. It doesn’t surprise me that she would prefer Ron for 2024. I recall comments about dumpster fires or train wrecks. It was fun as long as people had mutual respect,, it got tiresome when things turned to insults. One thing I admire about Fuzzy is that she is good at keeping things in this fun area.
Okay, I have to say this. Trump’s special power with foreigners is the fact A: That he told them if they didn’t do X, he would do Y, or they feared he would do Y, and then when they did X, HE ACTUALLY DID Y.
Nothing like being willing to use a big stick to get respect. And he used it. With Mexico, with Europe, with China, you name it.
I do not give one horse’s ass if the man that cures me from cancer has “charisma.” I don’t care if he screws pigs, if he cures me. Charisma is no substitute for getting the job done.
As far as winning that race, that does not turn ANYONE into Trump’s slave. Appreciation sure, but I don’t owe Trump 4 years in the whitehouse for that. Also, his claim about helping Kemp isn’t accurate. In that case, Kemp’s opponent in Georgia was destroyed, and I mean DESTROYED, by an audio tape of him saying that charter or private school choice wasn’t good for kids but he was advocating it because a group was about to give $1 or $2 million dollars to the candidate that was advocating for them, and he wanted to get that money.
So Trump didn’t do that one, for damn sure!
I supported Trump 2 or 3 weeks after he announced, because he had two press conferences right off the bat with family members of those killed by illegal aliens. In the second one, he tricked the press into covering them! It was GREAT and Long Overdue!
Trump has several qualities but I will just focus on one.
When you deal with Trump may not get one over on him but you willl not come out squashed like a bug. He doesn’t take everything from you to make a deal, just what is relatively fair.
He NEVER made a deal in DC except raising the debt limit and passing huge spending bills. He got one tax cut through and that’s about it. His “Art of the Deal” was a bust in DC because he had no power over Congress since they are an equal one-third of our government.
This is the part that Trump simply doesn’t get (nor, apparently, do his most fervent followers). Congress is a co-equal branch of government with the Executive (and SCOTUS). The president has to work WITH them, and Trump is completely incapable of doing that. He thought he could steamroll over them, bully and bluster his way to his goals. He seemed to imagine that they were under his purview, but they are not. Per our great Constitution (which he is happy to toss at any moment to achieve his goals, too, as we’ve seen time and again.)
All Mar, no a Lago?
Funny, DeSantis keeps warming up Trump leftovers. There are many Trump accomplishments, amazing considering the scope of the war waged against him. Also, DeSantis owes Trump big time, his actions do define his character, or lack thereof.
Not only Trump leftovers, Jim Jordan is already trying to move the FBI to Alabama. What is more Kevin Phillips argued that we should spread out the whole federal government all over the US.
I would start with the FBI because it’s already being done. I would then move the SCOTUS to Kansas or Nebraska. If they object ie say it’s unconstitutional then do what Daley did with Meggs Field, demol=ish the building in the middle of the night and tell them to meet in Kansas.
It’s certainly it’s time to reorganize all the federal courts and break them up and spread them out even if they do not move SCOTUS.
There are two points to moving the Court to Kansas. Get the justices out of DC. You live with swamp creatures eventually you become a swamp creature.
The second is that in the middle justices are likely going to get interns from a wide range of America not just the DC swamp.
That’s just stupid. They’re going to get their clerks and interns from the same sources they always do.
Interns that are willing to move to central US? That can’t interact with lobists and insiders from pther p[arts of the government?
thad,
Tell me you don’t understand the lifetime career value of a SCOTUS clerkship without telling me you don’t understand the lifetime career value of SCOTUS clerkship.
Oh wait, you just did.
The same pool of applicants from primarily Harvard and Yale plus Stanford from outside the IVY League will crawl over your dead carcass to get that clerkship. It’s a huge deal professionally and if they located it in the Arctic Circle people would still compete aggressively to get it.
CommonChief, I do understand the value of an internship at SCOTUS. I also understand that there are equally lucrative opportunities that do not require you to eat at a restaurant where they are talking the Chiefs or fertilizer or how the Congress is spending too much, instaed of Stalin vs Trotsky or the recent critical theory. yiou know stuff they talk about in “flyover counttry”.
I also understand that it will make it harder for these people to get in because it will be harder to use the influence ( yes I know it won’t get rid of it ) of some Senator or Congress man and that a lot of these people are lazy and would rather use influence than merit to land a job.
I also understand that some people who pass the bar on the first try and end up near the top of the examing class ( if that’s rated ), but can’t get that influence will apply more readily.
thad,
The applicants wishing to become clerks don’t just show up and drop off a resume at SCOTUS straight out of law school. They hold a prior clerkship with another Judge and most of them are out in the real world, not sitting in DC.
As an example, Birmingham, Alabama feeds lots of folks as clerks to SCOTUS. They come from Chief Judge Pryor of the 11th Circuit, Judge Newsom also 11th Circuit and Justice Mitchell of the Alabama Supreme CT. Collectively they sent 11 of their former clerks on to hold a clerkship at SCOTUS. Pryor had 5, Newsom 4 and Mitchell 2 of their former clerks at SCOTUS. That’s a high concentration from B’ham Alabama which ain’t DC.
Jordon is useless and a fraud his largest donors are globalist’s
All hat and no cattle
AMEN!
Nailed it! He was good when he first arrived. Now he is Gowdy 2.0.
Hot bag of wind.
So, you as the head of the Executive Branch think you’re going to just move the Judicial Branch, an equal and independent branch? Good luck with that. How about Congress? Gonna make them move too?
House has power of the purse.
Also, all inferior courts (below SCOTUS) exist only because Congress has authorized them.
Imagine telling SCOTUS: Either you will move to the midwest or we will close all the district and circuit courts.
YOUR MOVE.
How does that threaten SCOTUS as an institution or the individual members of SCOTUS? Why would they give in to blackmail over this? What would be the next thing to try and get them to do next week, month or year? Never give in to blackmail or extortion b/c they always come back for more.
IMO they would call that bluff. Say you pull trigger, ok when no criminal or civil trial courts were operating nor any appeals courts folks gonna know exactly who to blame, the guy who pulled the trigger.
Actually yes, I would make them move. too.
As for the Judiciary, they have certain powers but what building they do business in–no.
A combination of Congress and the President pushing. should do the trick. I wasn’t expecting Trump opd DeSantis to do it, but proposing a general reform.
Bro, are you saying that if a politician helps another one at any time then that politician has to provide forever fealty to the helper? That’s silly and it seems to me that it’s Trump who is not being an adult with his stupid name calling and unhinged claims about DeSantis.
I am saying that I don’t trust DeSantis based on numerous factors, which one is his smooth talking politician veneer. There are just too many red flags with DeSantis. Florida can keep him.
You do know that RDS backed Trump in 2016 when he was in Congress when almost no other Congressman would do that? Does that mean that he owes RDS forever?
This is a “what have you done for me lately” situation. DeSantis owes Trump…what, exactly? Another 4 years of a Democrat in office?
If we end up with another 4 years of Dem control, that will probably be DeSantis’ fault. If Republicans lose MAGA voters, they will lose and that would be DeSantis and those who pushed him fault.
How is it DeSantis’s fault if Trump can’t convince people to vote for him?
Trump didn’t have one single office vetted before he took office. He hadn’t a clue what to do the day after he was inaugurated. He never thought beyond victory. And when he finally selected people for his cabinet and other federal offices, universally they were terrible. He strutted around on TV having the time of his life while not taking any of his new job seriously. RDS shows what the difference is between the two. One is a leader/manager and the other a showman. Today when he was asked about the wall he said, “I” will get it done. Pence was criticized for saying “We” but in DC that is the only power that counts.
Always go with the guy with a sense of humor.
Great article, Ms. Slippers!
Thanks! 🙂
“d” Santis… O O O Ozempic
Makes sense… he’s bought and sold by the oligarchy
Makes sense. You’re bought and paid for by the Trump campaign.
Bro, let it go. If he’s bought and paid for by what ever this oligarchy thing is then it must be one against children being used as fuck toys by the left.
In which case, let’s have more DesthSantis!!
But let’s be honest here. DeathSantis would make a great President just as a second term of Trump will be great for everyone, except adults wanting to fuck children.
Has your prescription run out?
BULL SH!T!!!!! DeSantis is GOPe through and through. He is lock stock and barrel in bed sucking the A$$ of the same people that stood in the way of Trump draining the swamp. DeSantis is on his knees taking it from the McConnells, McCains, Romneys, Bushs, and Ryans of the world.
As far as I can find Trump was the only president in history that was prevented from making recess appointments by his own freaking party… Who were those people preventing it????? Come On You know who they were…..
The same ones behind Desantis.
Tell us how you really feel, starride. 😛
I thought I did fuzzy….😇😇😇
Heh. 😀
Maybe he should have insulted the Majority Leader of the Senate a few more times. Yeah, that would have done it. Always make enemies of the people you need. Works every time.
Didn’t matter amd he didn’t do it until he realized the scum McConnell was amd how deep the knife was shoved
He had to deal
With 2 impeachment s. You think he didn’t have to play chess ?
McConnell wouldn’t let his own
Republican President make recess appointments like every freaking President has
McConnell is and was a Soros /Xi asset , as was Ryan and unfortunately McCarthy
To Trump’s great credit he was too busy reading books on China before he ran to keep track on the multitudinous ways McConnell was stabbing Americans in the back every day.
I knew McConnell was a dirt bag back in 2012, but I didn’t read any books on China.
Insulting the people he needs to work with seems to be a habit with Trump. He’s done it to innumerable numbers of his own appointees, not to mention others that he’s endorsed.
Again, what on earth makes you think it would be any different if Trump won the general? (He won’t, but let’s pretend)
I don’t understand your desire to do the same thing and actually expect different results.
I like DeSantis. Voted for him twice as governor.
I just think he’s making a mistake here by running. He’s damaging himself with voters. Millions of people want Trump because they feel he was robbed in 2020. I understand that some will say if Trump is the nominee there is no way he can win but I say in return there’s no changing course short of Trump dying. Even a conviction of any of these show trials will not stop the Trump train. People, millions of them, are still hacked off about 2020 and even J6.
And if the GOP is stupid enough to try and remove Trump from the ballot if he’s convicted you can kiss 2024 goodbye. There’s more than enough Trump voters who will not even bother or will, like me, write his name on the ballot.
As for DeSantis draining the swamp? Not going to happen. The reality is to drain the swamp we probably need a Constitutional Amendment that has:
#1 Term limits for Senators and Representatives
#2 Senators are chosen by state governors and confirmed by state senates. (You can still have a term limit to prevent any single person being chosen over and over by a state)
#3 POTUS as head of the executive branch has the legal right to terminate the employment of any federal employee (executive branch) for any reason at any time and the legislative and judicial branches can not stop him.
Since that’s almost never going to happen the whole drain the swamp will never happen.
They will make DeSantis bend the knee.
You make good points, but the swamp is not the Senate, per se, it’s the deep state. So your first two points are not really relevant (though I definitely agree term limits would be a good thing, not as good as making members of both Houses of Congress abide by the laws they pass, but a good thing).
Your third point is key, and Trump was working on that (via Schedule F) at the end of his term. Unfortunately, draining the swamp was not a priority for Trump; if it had been, he would have followed through on his promise to “lock her up” (not whinge out, claiming Hillary needed time to heal. What absolute touchy-feely BS!). Had he followed through on this key campaign promise, the entire DOJ, FBI swamp would have been on the table. But he either didn’t get it or didn’t care about the swamp (his focus was on the economy, still is–that’s why he backs the groomers at Disney and the trans fluid Bud Light). Either way, he failed on one of his key campaign promises (two, actually: drain the swamp and lock her up). Look, Trump is great on slogans. He sucks at follow-through.
I live in Florida, and I have been watching DeSantis very closely. He does not bend a knee to anyone. Ever. He took a huge risk in bucking the Trump-Fauci-Birx triumvirate of covid tyranny. He trusted his own instincts and principles, he trusted his research and team, and he made all the right choices for Florida. He didn’t know if it was going to help politically, he didn’t even care. He just knew that Floridians were suffering, losing jobs, unable to feed their families, and he weighed the research and determined that the Trump-Fauci-Birx tyranny was just not warranted. He bucked them all, and he had the media all over him as a murderer. He stood firm and kept Florida free. This is not a man who bends a knee.
The swamp is protected by the Senate and the House.
Schedule F isn’t good enough. You can expect Congress to pass a law immediately outlawing Schedule F and courts to support that law if it looks like Trump is going to be POTUS in 2024.
DeSantis will bend the knee because he has no choice. The Senate, House, and even the Federal Courts are going to fight tooth and nail if he doesn’t. In Florida he’s got it easy because the legislator is totally behind him. That won’t happen as POTUS.
You may be right, but how is that any different if Trump wins? Who can actually affect the change we need? Certainly not Trump. He had his chance and didn’t even bother with absolute treachery right under his nose. The freaking deep state “resisters” were crowing about their perfidy all over the media. What dd Trump do? Exactly nothing. DeSantis would fire their butts in seconds. Don’t think so? Look at his actual record, not the made-up crap peddled on crap blogs.
Trump enabled, even helped, his own demise. He didn’t get it. Still doesn’t.
Hunh.
Have you checked the home insurance companies leaving Florida lately?
I think Farmer’s is the only one that pulled out completely; the others are doing nonrenewals on a “small number” of policies. That’s not to say there isn’t a problem with homeowner’s insurance, there is. Of course it’s always been a bit higher here in Florida due to hurricanes, but it’s definitely gotten worse.
That’s why our governor signed into a law a bill to curb litigation against home insurance companies; that’s been a driving force in the price increases as companies, naturally, pass such costs back to the consumer. There is Citizen’s Insurance that you can get from the state, as well, though they are proposing pretty serious rate hikes (13%). This is the same problem we had with car insurance for the longest time (Rick Scott addressed that issue). It was super high because of all the insurance scams taking place down in blue Florida. You can read more about these issues here (if you are genuinely interested).
Number three was the wall that Mexico was going to build and pay for. RDS has made so many moves that defy the term Globalist yet his critics keep using it over and over. I love a debate but when you start using make-believe to win your argument then it is not a debate but a fairy tale.
Here’s the problem with the ‘we have to vote Trump cuz he wuz robbed in ’20’; what if he is ‘robbed’ again in ’24? By this logic everyone should be twice as motivated for the Trump ’28 campaign. What if loses in ’28? Does he get a fourth consecutive bite at the apple in ’32?
A sitting President gets the courtesy and the deference of no serious opposition in the primary for their second term. Trump already received that in ’20. Like it or not there’s going to be a primary. Very soon into the actual race when votes get counted the hacks like Christi, Hutchison, Haley gonna fold. Scott will hang a bit but drop. Ramaswamy may have legs to last deeper into the race maybe past ‘Super Tuesday’.
At some point it is likely to be a two man race, fairly early IMO. Then Trump and DeSantis will have the stage to themselves to duke it out and make their best case to the GoP primary voters. May the best candidate for ’24 win. Then we all gotta get over any butthurt about the outcome and support the nominee. We can’t take our ball and go home out of spite, it’s too damn critical to stop the d/prog. Another 4 years of unmitigated disaster including potentially two or three SCOTUS nominations is too high a price to force us all to pay for wounded pride, ego or disappointment about the primary results.
It won’t happen but my preference would be for Trump and DeSantis to bury the hatchet after the primaries and run as a ticket.
That would unite the party and populist voters. If the GOP also wins both houses perhaps Mitch would declare a recess and allow the President to make the necessary recess appointments. Obviously Mitch would insist on some prior input but that is much better than 4 years of keeping a bunch of team Obama appointees in charge of the vast bureaucracy.
If the prospect of another 4 years of d/prog regime pushing insane regulations (HVAC, EV mandate, wind/solar boondoggles, gutting domestic energy), taxpayers paying student loans, DEI, eroding the military, open borders and 2 or 3 SCOTUS picks like Jackson isn’t enough to convince you to vote for the GoP nominee….
FWIW, if the GoP has a majority in the Senate they don’t need recess appointments for confirmation. The Senate has advise and consent power on nominees. Undermining that Constitutional power with recess appointments as the plan to get folks into position seems unwise. As a back up plan sure but not as step one.
As I did when McCain and Romney ran I will vote against the Democrat machine even if the worst GOP candidate wins and there are some losers like Pence and Hutchinson.
I can see why some Trump supporters would be bitter after the GOPe sabotaged populist Senate candidates. For instance, the McCain/Romney team ran ads opposing Lake and Masters in Arizona, a group of GOP leaders in PA campaigned against the GOP nominees for Gov and Senate. I don’t agree with sitting the election out as the lessor of 2 evils is certainly better than the trajectory this nation is on.
If a Trump or Desantis does win the recess appointments may be necessary as Senators like Romney, Collins or Murkowski are likely to vote with the dems to block appointments that would upset the administrative state and actually make agencies follow the policy as laid out by the President,
“”If a Trump or Desantis does win the recess appointments may be necessary as Senators like Romney, Collins or Murkowski are likely to vote with the dems to block appointments””
Getting his caucus in order to pass the Administration’s legislative priorities is the job of Majority Leader, which is why it’s a stupid idea to insult and offend him. I don’t know why that’s such a hard concept to understand.
Can you imagine a guy like RDS who is honest, smart, and hard-working with Trump who is in a totally different world of bluster and bragging? He never did his homework on any subject but shot from the lip. Then after he insulted the same people that he would have to work with and he had no luck getting anything done. It took a totally quiet moron like Pence to put up with him.
Wow 5 down votes for wanting the best candidate to win and encouraging everyone to support the winner?
Who knew there were this many Asa Hutchison supporters at LI?
I am a proud conservative Arkansan and did not vote for Asa Hutchinson for either of his two terms. He’s a RINO weasel career politician. Looking forward to not voting for him, or Crisco Christie, or Haley in the primary.
I’m not going to enter into the debate above, although it is a good healthy debate. All for primaries and gave you an up vote, to boot.
You know where they’re coming from. The Trump cultists haven’t made any secret of the fact that they’d rather lose than vote for anybody else, just as some of them did with Perot. (Yes, I know, the claim is that Perot didn’t actually affect the elections. That doesn’t change the intent.)
You mean the five down votes weren’t from the total attendance of the Hutchison rally in Iowa? /s
I’m pretty sure that DeSantis is eager to take the knee.
He already has
Like when Trump rolled over for Ryan and McConnell on the budget which lacked funding for the border wall? He didn’t fight for his central campaign promise, chose to surrender.
That was a particularly painful thing to see, the outsider, the agent of disruption… choosing not to use his Veto power and instead allowing himself to be very publicly bent over by two swampy DC globalist goons.
That’s odd, because his record in Florida would indicate the exact opposite.
Yeah, if kicking out DEI/CRT in K12 /defunding DEI/CRT positions in Public Universities, getting Constitutional Carry passed, strengthening Parents rights, overriding woke weirdo Covid crazy of political subdivisions, punching Disney so hard their CEO admitted DeSantis won, a phenomenal job directing Hurricane relief and recovery, among many other victories is part of the sell out to globalism then count me in.
Maybe he meant taking a knee like teams do after the big win(s) to give thanks to God for the victory?
Heh, I’m with you guys. DeSantis has accomplished so much in Florida (and almost all of it by law, excluding some EO’s during covid that stopped blue areas from fining or arresting people for not masking or not getting the jab–what EO’s are actually for, in other words, specific, timely actions that must be done quickly. EO’s are not supposed to be used to actually govern). He also banned the CCP from buying land near our bases and our farmland, and more. So yeah, if that’s what being a “globalist” means, sign me up, too!
Well I ain’t with a particular candidate yet. I like both Trump and DeSantis as well as Ramaswamy.
What I abhor is hypocrisy and half truths and outright lies. Unfortunately many in the ‘only Trump’ camp refuse to apply the same criteria they harp on other candidates about to their guy. That’s hypocrisy.
Some refuse to acknowledge basic facts about what Trump did and didn’t do in office. Instead they ignore the facts or tell only the portion which paints their guy in a positive light or worse outright lie about the facts.
Lets see how this plays out after the first dozen primary races are in the bank (for those of us not in those States) then make decisions once we see whether a particular candidate can hold up in debate, chooses to duck Q&A with tough interviewers, has coherent and detailed policy ideas that spell out the steps to get it done v a general demeanor of ‘trust me, Ima do x in 30 minutes’ BS.
Lots of time and many hurdles to clear before we pick a nominee. Certainly before I make a final decision of who to support in ’24.
You only get two options in Presidential races and all those who say they wouldn’t vote for x or y will turn out to vote for x or y because if they don’t they are basically Democrats 😂😂
Man! What a terrible view of the world. How is RDS hurting himself with voters? If I am on the other side of in a football game is that a bad thing because I played against your team? DeSantis said clearly on the Tucker show how he would drain the swamp much more in detail than DJT has ever articulated. I agree with the notion that there will be no draining of the swamp but some damage can be done to it. As for Trump being robbed in 2020 that has nothing to do with 2024. Just like reparations for blacks, it’s over and we need to find out why and how it happened but not reward someone for a crime from the past.
“”I just think he’s making a mistake here by running.””
I agree for much the same reasons and said the same thing even before he announced; but as Fuzzy pointed out, that train has left the station and we have to deal with the situation as it is, not as we wish it was.
There was a time when multiple conservatives ran for the nomination and weren’t immediately condemned as “damaged” for running against someone on a giant pedestal.
Those were the days before the Trump cult tried to take over but could only muster up enough votes to lose another election.
People that say that Trump accomplished very little have very short memories. They should listen to his speech tonight. Just look at who the Swap/Establishment HATES first and foremost! This time, however, the bad guys are known.
Maybe DeSantis will be more effective when he tries to duplicate his feats without such a compliant legislature. Maybe not.
Not sure where DeSantis actually is, but Trump’s priority is to prevent WW3. He’s usually been ahead of the game. He’s quite in tune with foreign policy and geopolitics. As he said, but for whatever happened in November 2020, the Abraham Accords would have been extended, an Iran deal, no Russian pipeline, a secure border, China confronted, not to mention the actual rise in income across all groups.
Few accomplishments. Got it.
The issue isn’t that Trump had few accomplishments. He had many, many accomplishments. The problems are the items he did not tackle or did not complete.
Although Trump has been involved in a lot of litigation in his life, he himself is not a lawyer. When Bill Barr told him he had to comply with certain court decisions, Trump took him at face value. DeSantis, on the other hand, being a lawyer, is better able to examine the constitution and court decisions and other relevant writings to determine if it is necessary to comply with certain laws and decisions.
I think he made a very good point with Tucker when he said that under article II the president is the executive, and therefore everyone in the executive branch is answerable to him. I believe that is what he meant. So the schedule F should not really be necessary. All of the statutes supposedly limiting the presidents power to fire executive branch employees would appear to be violations of separation of powers and also an unconstitutional limitation upon the president’s sole authority as the sole elected executive officer.
Trump is inexperienced as a legislator and as an executive elected office holder, and as a lconstitutional lawyer. People complaining about who is funding DeSantis have to remember that DeSantis is not independently wealthy. He has to receive money from somewhere.
2024 is not about whether Donald Trump gets his lost term. 2024 is about whether or not Americans continue to be treated like dirt and whether the country continues to degrade. I support DeSantis.
We need someone effective. The BRIC nations are destroying the dollar as the reserve currency. Americans are not prepared for the seismic shift this will cause. The Chinese bribes to the Bidens are enabling China to completely change the map in the not so distant future.
We must be sober in our judgments. And when I read articles about DeSantis didn’t have people at the Dairy Queen or he has a funny voice or odd laugh or copies trumps gestures, it is important to recognize how completely unimportant those things are.
America is dying; pax americana is dying; we do not have the luxury Of giving a man his lost prize. We must choose the best man for the job.
DeSantis lost the prize until Trump made him a winner. Then he got to run against Chalie Christ! Wow!
Trump has 4 years of experience and has been on the front lines. He makes a pretty compelling case. He gets blamed because they illegally ran him out of office. Ironic.
In the face of it, his accomplishments are pretty good. There’s a reason he did better than any incumbent president running for re-election.
Where is DeSantis on WW3? Haven’t heard much.
Interesting take. Share with us all Trump’s lasting accomplishments from his time in office. Don’t worry, we’ll wait.
Saving DeSantis’s ass.
Why didn’t Trump use this mystical power to change the course of elections to save his own ass in ’20?
Dobbs is breathtaking. Finally!
How rude.
Eventually DeSantis will parrot Trump, that is why DeSantis might make a good VP 🙂 Then he could run for President in 28.
He will parrot Trump, and then if elected,
Hit the wrong key.
He will parrot Trump, and then if elected, HE WILL ACTUALLY DO THE THINGS HE PARROTTED!! OR PARROTED! (sp?)
DeSantis will try to claim Trump’s policies for himself, another sign of character, and lose too many MAGA voters to win.
You keep saying this, but it’s unrealistic. All of Trump’s ideas came from someone else, up to and including MAGA (“Make America Great Again” came from Ronald Reagan). How many of Trump’s policies were completely original? The wall? Tax cuts? Deporting illegals? ANYTHING?
So the guy you are so distrustful of would make a good VP for your lord and savior Trump?
You cultists are a bunch of loons that try to cast out political discources like playing with toddlers alphabet blocks.
Four years of experience! Then why did he back Oz and Walker along with Roona McDaniel and McCarthy just last year? He’s making the exact same mistakes he made before.
Oh please, the reason he couldn’t do even
More, after being the most successful Republican President in decades is because his own team
Republicans, ie globalists stabbed him in the back repeatedly
Repeatedly
Repeatedly
It’s fair to say that many DC Republicans are globalist but untrue to equate all Republicans with the globalist agenda, though globalist impulses are not confined to DC..
In fact we see a number of commentators here and elsewhere posing in support of the boondoggles in Ukraine which is a globalist priority.
The ONLY way you will be able to identify Trump’s accomplishments is to listen to him tell you because all but a couple were undone on Biden’s first day in office.
He deserves credit for nominating some very good judges, although he was using a list provided by an NGO. He didn’t know any of them from Adam and was taking somebody else’s word – which, by coincidence, is the excuse the cult uses for all of the crappy appointments he made.
Another Rongasm brought to you by Fuzzy.
LOL. I like him; he’s been a great governor, and he’s just what we need in the White House. You may disagree (and obviously do), but this is America, right? I get to say what I think, just as you do.
Dismiss it all you like, but I can’t help but notice that you are mocking me and not actually taking anything DeSantis proposes to task. This is shallow and lazy, and we all know the tactic from being attacked by Democrats. Yeah, my “rongasm” is the problem, not the fact (and it is a fact) that your guy failed in everything he promised the American people. It was all undone by Biden because Trump sucked as a leader, couldn’t cut a deal, and did everything by executive order (all undone in a flash by Biden).
The ONLY lasting thing Trump did that no other Republican president may have is the Abraham Accords. Every other “accomplishment” of Trump was fleeting, gone with Biden’s pen. Would any other Republican president have nominated different SCOTUS justices? Nope. In fact, some would have chosen MORE Constitutional/originalists than Trump did.
Look, I voted for the guy twice (well, really only once, in 2020; the first time I was voting AGAINST Hillary), but he’s just not up to the job. He not only doesn’t understand the situation, but he doesn’t actively engage on anything. He’s all over the place. And the most attention he pays to anything is his own stuff. He doesn’t put America First; he puts him and his butt-hurt first. Always. That’s just not acceptable to me.
Trump isn’t up for the job?
OMG, he’s the only one that’s up for the job
This star eyed love affair for ”d” Santis is over the top
How’s your insurance rates going?
Trump HAD the job, gonzo, and he’s got very few lasting achievements. Maybe only two: the Abraham Accords and his SCOTUS picks (though, in truth, any Republican would have chosen the same justices or even more originalist ones, so maybe only ONE achievement). You can’t count as a Trump win something that Biden killed in a day. You get that, right?
If President Trump
Haven’t beat hillary, amd please tell me you don’t think Jeb or the other 14 would have
We would have the most anti American SCOTUS justices EVER
One achievement
Dear God
Just a few ….there is more!!!
Unprecedented Economic Boom
Before the China Virus invaded our shores, we built the world’s most prosperous economy.
America gained 7 million new jobs – more than three times government experts’ projections.
Middle-Class family income increased nearly $6,000 – more than five times the gains during the entire previous administration.
The unemployment rate reached 3.5 percent, the lowest in a half-century.
Achieved 40 months in a row with more job openings than job-hirings.
More Americans reported being employed than ever before – nearly 160 million.
Jobless claims hit a nearly 50-year low.
The number of people claiming unemployment insurance as a share of the population hit its lowest on record.
Incomes rose in every single metro area in the United States for the first time in nearly 3 decades.
Delivered a future of greater promise and opportunity for citizens of all backgrounds.
Unemployment rates for African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Asian Americans, Native Americans, veterans, individuals with disabilities, and those without a high school diploma all reached record lows.
Unemployment for women hit its lowest rate in nearly 70 years.
Lifted nearly 7 million people off of food stamps.
Poverty rates for African Americans and Hispanic Americans reached record lows.
Income inequality fell for two straight years, and by the largest amount in over a decade.
The bottom 50 percent of American households saw a 40 percent increase in net worth.
Wages rose fastest for low-income and blue collar workers – a 16 percent pay increase.
African American homeownership increased from 41.7 percent to 46.4 percent.
Brought jobs, factories, and industries back to the USA.
Created more than 1.2 million manufacturing and construction jobs.
Put in place policies to bring back supply chains from overseas.
Small business optimism broke a 35-year old record in 2018.
Hit record stock market numbers and record 401ks.
The DOW closed above 20,000 for the first time in 2017 and topped 30,000 in 2020.
The S&P 500 and NASDAQ have repeatedly notched record highs.
Rebuilding and investing in rural America.
Signed an Executive Order on Modernizing the Regulatory Framework for Agricultural Biotechnology Products, which is bringing innovative new technologies to market in American farming and agriculture.
Strengthened America’s rural economy by investing over $1.3 billion through the Agriculture Department’s ReConnect Program to bring high-speed broadband infrastructure to rural America.
Achieved a record-setting economic comeback by rejecting blanket lockdowns.
An October 2020 Gallup survey found 56 percent of Americans said they were better off during a pandemic than four years prior.
During the third quarter of 2020, the economy grew at a rate of 33.1 percent – the most rapid GDP growth ever recorded.
Since coronavirus lockdowns ended, the economy has added back over 12 million jobs, more than half the jobs lost.
Jobs have been recovered 23 times faster than the previous administration’s recovery.
Unemployment fell to 6.7 percent in December, from a pandemic peak of 14.7 percent in April – beating expectations of well over 10 percent unemployment through the end of 2020.
Under the previous administration, it took 49 months for the unemployment rate to fall from 10 percent to under 7 percent compared to just 3 months for the Trump Administration.
Since April, the Hispanic unemployment rate has fallen by 9.6 percent, Asian-American unemployment by 8.6 percent, and Black American unemployment by 6.8 percent.
80 percent of small businesses are now open, up from just 53 percent in April.
Small business confidence hit a new high.
Homebuilder confidence reached an all-time high, and home sales hit their highest reading since December 2006.
Manufacturing optimism nearly doubled.
Household net worth rose $7.4 trillion in Q2 2020 to $112 trillion, an all-time high.
Home prices hit an all-time record high.
The United States rejected crippling lockdowns that crush the economy and inflict countless public health harms and instead safely reopened its economy.
Business confidence is higher in America than in any other G7 or European Union country.
Stabilized America’s financial markets with the establishment of a number of Treasury Department supported facilities at the Federal Reserve.
Tax Relief for the Middle Class
Passed $3.2 trillion in historic tax relief and reformed the tax code.
Signed the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act – the largest tax reform package in history.
More than 6 million American workers received wage increases, bonuses, and increased benefits thanks to the tax cuts.
A typical family of four earning $75,000 received an income tax cut of more than $2,000 – slashing their tax bill in half.
Doubled the standard deduction – making the first $24,000 earned by a married couple completely tax-free.
Doubled the child tax credit.
Virtually eliminated the unfair Estate Tax, or Death Tax.
Cut the business tax rate from 35 percent – the highest in the developed world – all the way down to 21 percent.
Small businesses can now deduct 20 percent of their business income.
Businesses can now deduct 100 percent of the cost of their capital investments in the year the investment is made.
Since the passage of tax cuts, the share of total wealth held by the bottom half of households has increased, while the share held by the top 1 percent has decreased.
Over 400 companies have announced bonuses, wage increases, new hires, or new investments in the United States.
Over $1.5 trillion was repatriated into the United States from overseas.
Lower investment cost and higher capital returns led to faster growth in the middle class, real wages, and international competitiveness.
Jobs and investments are pouring into Opportunity Zones.
Created nearly 9,000 Opportunity Zones where capital gains on long-term investments are taxed at zero.
Opportunity Zone designations have increased property values within them by 1.1 percent, creating an estimated $11 billion in wealth for the nearly half of Opportunity Zone residents who own their own home.
Opportunity Zones have attracted $75 billion in funds and driven $52 billion of new investment in economically distressed communities, creating at least 500,000 new jobs.
Approximately 1 million Americans will be lifted from poverty as a result of these new investments.
Private equity investments into businesses in Opportunity Zones were nearly 30 percent higher than investments into businesses in similar areas that were not designated Opportunity Zones.
No, she doesn’t get it. She cuts and pastes from Trump’s website and thinks that’s a rebuttal.
BS, but you already know that
gonzotx,
Sure all good things. Everyone agrees.
However, the question/request was to provide examples of LASTING achievements.
Which of the many things on that list are still true today? Overturning legislation is much harder than reversing an EO, which Trump seemed to rely upon as a preference to building a legislative consensus to achieve more enduring victories.
I’ll start your list off, the tax cuts are still in place BUT they expire in 2025 so while still operating today they are not permanent.
You obviously do not know where I got Rongasm from, because if you did you wouldn’t have said what you said.
LOL. Is that supposed to be some kind of burn? If that is some fringe weirdo Only Trump nuthouse term, you’re right I don’t know it, and I don’t care to know it. And, quite frankly, am very happy to not know it. Please stop being crazy and reading fringe crazy blogs. You are otherwise so normal and great!
Sorry, Fuzzy, I’d help you more if I could, but these Trumpbots can lie faster than I can type.
Heh.
Nope. It’s a twist on a term from the late 80s. Shows how little you are in touch with real conservatism.
Or that I was a kid in the ’80s.
That’s right you were a kid ( I’m presuming you are telling the truth. ) In other words, you are young and ignorant of the history of conservatism.
Ooh, thanks! I love being called “young” (even though the 80’s were forty years ago). Do I get to be 29 forever? Or even 39? Heck, I’ll settle for 49. 😛
Nothing says old wise and mature as someone purporting to be older and wiser than you going by “thad_the_man”. MIght as well go start a frathouse from Old School.
Fuzzy, I can’t understand the blindness that overcomes so many Trump admirers. I too voted for him twice, like you once against Hillary, but from watching him on rallies and talk shows, he hasn’t learned anything that would make me think he has matured. I truly believe he is a great communicator and would be a great leader of a large company but as POTUS and having to work with people that he can’t fire, he simply does not have that skill. He is a one-man show and to him, Congress is the enemy. He is never going to do the things he says he will do just like last time.
I see.
So, despite Trump being out of office, it is HIS fault Biden erased everything Trump accomplished.
Hunh.
So, you just admitted Trump accomplished things in office.
But you have consistently maintained he hadn’t.
Hunh.
No, I have not claimed he didn’t accomplish anything in office; I said he did not accomplish much that was LASTING in office. And he didn’t.
And yes, actually, it IS Trump’s fault that Biden undid what he did because Trump did almost all of it by EO. And why did he do that? Because he couldn’t work with Congress to get anything done via the legislature. Laws last. EO’s do not.
That’s why EO’s had traditionally (prior to Obama with this pen and phone) been used relatively sparingly and not to actually govern. Trump just did what Obama did; circumvented Congress with his pen (no phone since he was busy alienating everyone in his own party that he needed to make lasting change), and now most of it is gone. That’s just fact. Don’t shoot the messenger, dude.
Not a dude, these are my initials.
Of course every EO can be undone…this is my argument against EOs, they are erasable. But, he had a senate unwilling to work with him, whereas Obamalamadingdong just did what he wanted.
That is incorrect, though. After the great Tea Party “shellacking” of 2010, Obama did NOT have a Congress willing to work with him; he used his “pen and phone” because of those pesky “obstructionist” Republicans, remember? He had two years with his party in control of both Houses, and he passed ObamaCare.
Likewise, Trump had two years with his party in control of both Houses, and he passed . . . erm, what? His tax cuts and (to his credit) repeal of the ObamaCare mandate (another lasting accomplishment I just now thought of, so yay!), though not all of ObamaCare as he had promised. That’s why we are having these student loan issues, too, because ObamaCare took over much of the student loan industry.
When they lost control of Congress, they both started signing EO’s in lieu of actually governing. It was bad when Obama did it (we all, quite rightly, accused him of circumventing Congress), and it was just as bad when Trump did it.
They are called laws herm, and if they aren’t then they are EOs that can be overturned by the next administration. Trump passed almost no laws and mostly EOs. That’s like your favorite QB throwing for more yardage than any other QB but losing all of his games.
See above. I have huge issues with EOs. They are to be used sparingly. Congress willingly abdicated its responsibilities in 2009. While not by EO, see our budget. One has not been passed since Bush. Congress is worthless.
RDS looks like a very competent governor, and I’m sure he would do a much better job of actually administering the executive branch than Trump ever could. But here is the problem – I am not convinced he can win a general election. I don’t see how RDS wins WI, MI, PA, VA, or AZ, and he has to win at least a few of those to get to 270. The problem is abortion. The slightest hint that a president might sign some kind of national abortion ban is so toxic to suburban women (particularly those with teenage daughters) that they will reflexively vote against that person, regardless of all other issues combined. Trump may be toxic for other reasons, but he at least has some chance of winning. RDS does not. The first duty of a political party is to nominate someone who can win the election.
Good article, Fuzzy!
This is what we need, concrete plans to drain the Swamp. Trump should be doing that, instead of holding rallies and posting on Truth Social.
I will vote for Trump if he is the GOP nominee. I have no respect for any Trump dead-enders who will take their ball and go home and sulk, instead of doing their duty to vote for the best (or least-bad) candidate who can win!
Trump has been treated shamefully, but the election is about 230 million Americans, not just one man.
Thanks!
How bad can it get
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/07/15/exclusive-jason-miller-chris-christie-ready-to-overtake-ron-desantis-new-hampshire/
gonzotx,
Early polls absolutely have the Former President with a commanding lead in the GoP primary. No one questions this fact, it would bizarre if he wasn’t up big at this point.
The general election National polls constantly show Trump tied or behind Biden. The swing State polls have shown Biden consistently ahead of Trump. Can’t win the general without the Swing States. Winning the general is the whole damn point.
Interestingly DeSantis shows more strength in Swing State general election polls where he is consistently tied or ahead in a head to head with Biden. The very troubling aspect in national polling shows Biden with a plurality at 43% with neither Trump nor DeSantis beating him consistently.
The truly frightening part, IMO, is the gap between Trump and DeSantis in a head to head, about a 5% drop off from Trump while Biden support remains constant. This indicates that some Trump voters will stay home and refuse to support the nominee if Trump isn’t selected. Anyone who would step aside and let the d/prog win b/c ‘their guy’ came up short in the primary doesn’t have the best interest of our Nation uppermost in their minds.
It’s way early and these polls are pretty worthless other than looking at trend lines. Plus many polling outfits on left and right have their own bias as do the journalists who report and spin them. Once the real polls begin; actual ballots are cast the reality v pundit fantasy emerges.
I don’t believe those early polls, and the numbers are close within the margin of error anyway. What matters is the polls once the general election campaign gets going, but by then the primaries are over. You must decide who is more electable before they are tested. Trump has been demonized by the Media. RDS (and most B-team GOP contenders) have a position on abortion that is extremely toxic in swing states. Recent elections in MI, PA and WI show this. After Dobbs, the abortion issue is death for Republicans in swing states. That is why I believe that Trump is more electable than DeSantis or Ramaswamy.
OMG! Breitbart! They have a woman, Hannah somebody, there that actually publishes a Trump/DeSantis poll every day that shows a huge Trump lead. They hate RDS there. Why not go to TGP and link their hate for RDS? Wait a while and then show us how great Trump is doing after we hear more about how he is going to save the world.
Funny, how he avoids the most significant way of draining the swamp How when in the Congess he didn’t do it — revoke Chevron deference. Notice no candidates talk about it.
Several cases next term at SCOTUS which likely either end Chevron doctrine or severely curtail it.
I noticed you didn’t take Trump to task for failing to rally support in Congress to get legislation ending Chevron deference passed. If your gonna hit one on this you gotta hit both or reveal hypocrisy on the issue.
Didn’t they take a couple of shots at it this past term?
Not directly at the Chevron doctrine. The EPA cases the last two term and the student loan case this term didn’t touch the Chevron doctrine but did slap down overreach beyond it where the agencies are making up authority nearly out of whole cloth aka the major questions doctrine.
Next term there is a case directly on point v Chevron doctrine; Loper v National Marine Fisheries Service. Fingers crossed they get this one correct and get rid of Chevron doctrine.
How is a single member of Congress going to go about draining the swamp? He also didn’t come up with a cure for cancer.
It’s confounding. But my guess is that a lot of people who make such statements (and not just about DeSantis, but about any member of Congress) simply don’t understand our government at all. Not how it’s constructed, how it works, what the roles of the House and Senate play, and what powers Representatives and Senators actually have.
They’d be a lot less angry if they did understand these things, of course, but maybe they are happy being angry at things that don’t exist or that literally can’t happen?
Understanding that no single member of Congress has the power to pass a bill on his or her own, nor to sign it into law, nor to “stop” this or “defund” that, nor to arrest anyone or bring any punishment on anyone for anything would certainly go a long way, too, in their coping with how slowly things move in Congress. The relative powerlessness of individual Congresscritters and the slowness of legislative action is a feature, not a bug, and it’s entirely by design.
But they keep being mad that this ONE rep or that other senator didn’t single-handedly stop [insert anything at all here; whatever their latest outrage]. I can only conclude they like being angry at someone else because it takes the onus off of them to do their civic duty in their own city/town, county, district, state.
Or even at the federal level. If everything is this Senator’s fault, or that of this other House member, then they can justify nominating for president a man who cannot win the general, and who, even if he did, would be no more effective in a second term than he was in the first because he doesn’t understand how our government works, either. To this day.
It takes sober maturity to try and understand things.
They’d rather LARP about all of the things they think Trump can do in the WH. For his part, he gives them plenty of completely no-chance-in-hell material or unplanned whims and musings of his for them to wishcast about.
Fuzzy,
Very fair criticism for individual members of the HoR and to a.degree individual Senators.
The Senate rules provide more opportunities for an individual Senator to gum up the works. Sen Tuberville has placed a ‘hold’ on promotions to Gen/Admiral for several months b/c he wants the DoD abortion travel policy changed.
The Majority leader, Sen Schumer could always choose to bring up the nominations as separate individual bills but that would mean a separate process and all the potential delays under the Senate rules for each of the several hundred nominations.
txvet2 in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | July 16, 2023 at 1:53 am
Sorry, Fuzzy, I’d help you more if I could, but these Trumpbots can lie faster than I can type
Says the person with tds lesions
In his brain
There’s a cure for that
It’s called the truth,
You
Might want to
Take a
Tablespoon of it daily
OMG! Truth and Trump should never appear in the same book together let alone in the same line of print.
I’ve called you out time after time for obvious, repeated lies, with references. You just wait awhile and then repeat the same lies all over again.
txvet2 in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | July 16, 2023 at 1:47 am
No, she doesn’t get it. She cuts and pastes from Trump’s website and thinks that’s a rebuttal
But it is. T you
Expect me to worthy what is easily c&pfrom the truth , his own words which can be verified?
You cut and paste in place of thought. It’s your defining “debate” tactic.
Alex Bruesewitz 🇺🇸
@alexbruesewitz
🚨🚨🚨
Someone check on
@ChristinaPushaw
, hearing that she got FIRED!
If true, that makes me very sad! Christina has been really great for the Trump campaign!
Where did you see this?
Gonzo thinks this is Twitter, even after being asked repeatedly to stop tweeting in our comment section.
Haha Fuzzy! I gotta downvote you. I love the comments sections!
Matter of fact, I miss the old link on the home page you could hit to take you directly to comments!!!!!
Yeah, I miss that link, too, Close. Sigh.
Gonzo is not a reporter…thank God. Although she does have all of the talent of that stalker crybully chick from the wapo.
Listened to most of what the candidates had to say. Pence and Asa were total disasters and should just quit now. Couple of the others were ok but the only one that impressed me was Vivek. He was very specific on what he would do, or try to do, and cited the law and section of the Constitution that gave him the authority to do it. His comment on reducing the federal workforce by 75% and how he was going to get it done had me sending him $10 to keep him in the race. If he keeps this up and makes it to the debate stage all the other candidates are going to be forced to up their game just to counter what he is saying. This is good for everyone, I think
Quoting someone else while watching Hutchinson I cried out “Oh the Humanity”.
I like what Vivvek has to say but how did he make his money? I know the second part was an investment firm ( a minor minus ), and the first part was Biotech. What did he make in biotech? Was he part of big Pharma?
Yes
He’s exactly where Trump came from. A one-man show that he controlled completely with no one above him. He was the boss and if he didn’t like you you were fired. That is not what makes a good POTUS. Of course, you would be a good POTUS if what you wanted to happen if all it took was your command. That is what he and Trump have in common and that will not work in DC. I also like what Trump says and proposes but he can’t work with Congress so it will never get done either. Why is this so hard to see? The only time a strong-willed POTUS is desirable is in times of war. Getting ordinary things done for the citizens takes compromises and negotiations and neither of these men has that skill.
He’s not close to President Trump
You’re right. That’s his biggest asset.
Trump’s election record:
2016: just barely beats the most hated politician in the US.
2018: loses ground in midterms
2020: Loses to a man who won’t leave his basement
2022: as de facto leader of his party, horrible record with endorsements; can’t retake Senate; just barely retakes the House.
Only Trumpers: ״it’s everyone else’s fault and, for reasons not explained, it will be different next time.”
He (nor his fan club) doesn’t explain how he’s going to work with a Congress that he couldn’t get along with the first time through. His fans like to copy and paste long lists of all of his real or imagined accomplishments, but I seldom if ever see them bragging about all of those accomplishments that are still in effect. Even the tax cuts they’re so proud of are due to expire.
DeSantis’ plan reminds me of the adage that in discussions of war, amateurs talk strategy and professionals talk logistics.
He will fire “plenty” of Federal personnel? Does he mean a significant number of the over 2 million protected by the federal civil service, with union representation and the right to strike? Or “plenty” of the few thousand appointed officials?
Speaking of that:
“Attempted reforms under the Trump administration:
In May 2018, President Donald Trump signed three executive orders intended to crack down on unions that represent federal employees and to make it easier to fire federal workers. It was claimed that the changes are designed to strengthen merit-system principles in the civil service and improve efficiency, transparency, and accountability in the federal government. However, in August 2018, after reviewing the executive orders in detail, U.S. District Court Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson temporarily[29] struck down most of the executive orders, ruling that they were an attempt to weaken federal labor unions representing federal employees. Judge Jackson’s ruling was reversed by the DC Circuit on jurisdiction grounds, saying the unions should first have complained to the Federal Labor Relations Authority.” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_civil_service)
DeSantis is getting well over half of his money from big money Uniparty and Uniparty adjacent/allies (to coopt the Left’s terms.) He’s already having to go to them hat in hand. They’re probably already writing the speech:
“As Governor, I rightly had a smaller arena, in which I could concentrate closely on things that directly affected my State. But now, I have the responsibilities to uphold our international obligations, and to make sure that the US is a good citizen of the world. At home and abroad, I must operate within the law, and in cooperation with both parties and with community stakeholders….”
English translation: “Thanks for the votes, suckers.”
Vivek is indeed impressive. He’s suing the World Economic Forum for having had his name on its Young Global Leaders 2021 page; it was recently pulled.
However, it hasn’t been scrubbed everywhere. Here are some of the others of his class:
Anulika Ajufo, Principal, Soros Economic Development Fund, United Kingdom
Ibram X Kendi, Director of the Center for Antiracist Research, Boston University, United States of America
Vasudha Vats, Global Commercial Lead/Senior Director, Pfizer, United States of America
What do you mean by class? They went to the same school? I’m not going to hold him back for that. ( I’m thinking of 2028. ) but I do want some more background on him.
The drones have civil service protection. Even the drones can be downsized when their mission is canceled. They ain’t entitled to a job if their agency/dept is made redundant, eliminated or folded into another agency. Not to mention that the federal employee unions exist via a Kennedy era EO and can arguably be undone by a subsequent President. Doesn’t impact civil service directly but would put the kibosh on shenanigans. Finally, anyone can be removed for cause and taken out of their duties, they may get a paycheck but someone else can do their work of executing the mission set by POTUS.
The real potential troublemakers are members of the Senior Executive Service. These are the folks with actual power in the agencies. They do NOT enjoy the same protections as the drones. Much easier to crack down on this cohort of folks if they step out of line.
“In May 2018, President Donald Trump signed three executive orders intended to crack down on unions that represent federal employees and to make it easier to fire federal workers.”
That is EXACTLY why he was a failure as POTUS. He got nothing done through Congress. The difference is that RDS works well with others and Trump doesn’t. We don’t elect a king in this country yet all of you think that’s what you are doing. If he can’t work with Congress then he will fail again. Why would you declare RDS an amateur? Are you blind? Is what he has done in FL amateurish? Did the globalist back him on all of the things he got done that were the opposite of the globalist’s wishes? Did Disney get their money’s worth from backing him? I’m surprised that you didn’t bring up the old Trilateral Commission and blame them for backing RDS too. Or how about the KKK or BLM? Doesn’t it get tiresome quoting other hate RDS websites?
“”DeSantis is getting well over half of his money from big money””
You guys are really butthurt about Trump’s billionaire backers moving to DeSantis.
Would love to be provided a list of donors these Only Trump folks object to with a side by side comparison of donations to Trump, DeSantis and other Presidential candidates.
If the donors are ‘badguy globalist’ then any candidate, including Trump, who took their contribution is tainted. Assuming that accept the premise that campaign donations are themselves ‘bad’, which is a separate conversation.
Maybe that’s why they don’t want to talk about who else these ‘bad guy globalist’ donated to in prior years? FWIW Trump didn’t donate a dime of his own money to his 2020 re-election and the huge amounts of money raised didn’t all come from small donors.
You are pointing out that the MAGA crowd is doing to RDS exactly what the Dems are doing to Trump and RDS. It’s called hypocrisy and the Dems have it in spades.
I don’t want nice words. I want someone to tell the truth.
Diogenes, you back?
Yes, after a healthy dose of CCP via EnPhase, a Shenzen Sinvo Automatic Machinery front operating in the USA.
My cynicism is forced, as 95% of commenters have no clue of what is coming, and have never dealt with Communism.
I’ll fight and die first.
Yeah, I was really disappointed that Trump lied about getting a border wall constructed as well.
Walls start with people.
He was sabotaged by his own party
THATS where your anger should lay
He spent 2016-2020 sabotaging “his own” party, picking fights and tossing insults at the people whose support he needed most. Could be because he’s really still a Democrat at heart.
gonzotx,
Trump refused to use his VETO when Ryan and McConnell presented him a budget without funding for the border wall.
He could have said; ‘hell no, I won’t sign a budget until Congress puts in 100% funding for the border wall I promised and the American people voted for’.
Ryan and McConnell would then have a choice. Round up enough votes to override the VETO (and risk breaking the party) or going back and getting the funding added.
Unfortunately Trump didn’t use his VETO, Instead of fighting tooth and nail to deliver on his signature campaign promise he folded and allowed Ryan and McConnell to roll him.
So please stop the BS about Trump is the indispensable fighter/leader, b/c instead of fighting he backed down and walked away from the most important policy fight of his Presidency.
DeSantis is the best of the lot, but I find his common man routine irritating. He is ever on guard to conceal his Harvard/Yale background. It reminds me of Bush Jr. pretending to be a cowboy straight out of a Zane Grey novel. He is a smart guy, way over doing the ham acting in his character role. I wish he would ease up a bit. It is becoming too easy to mock him. He and his former news girl wife showing up in leather biker outfits at a hot outdoor event is one example.
Run for office. You’ll find out fast was Jefferson said is true: When a man starts running for office, all the sudden what he says changes.
I have run for office and I can tell you, the psychological effect of trying not to alienate any voter is very strong. Remember, voters only know what they see, and what they see is only a very small fraction of a candidate. He’s trying to use every opportunity to get those voters.
Get a life, Howard! RDS WORKED his way through both schools with no help from his family. Trump and GWB both were silver spoon men. He is a common man! The leather outfit was for a MOTORCYCLE ride BBQ event. I wore leather every time I rode my many bikes. If you are going to read left-wing crap please note it in your screed.
GWB not to mention GHWB did have silver spoons. I will admit that Trump had an advantage, but he went into a decaying NYC which no one wanted to invest in. Dealt with mobbed up unions and crooked politicians, and got a fantastic ROI.
Ms. Slippers – what is your take on DeSantis agreeing to an interview on CNN with Jake Crapper? Why would he (or anyone) want to address CNN viewers? Seems like a head-scratcher to me.
As JR pointed out Trump already did a CNN townhall. Either it’s a bad thing for all candidates OR you are a hypocrite OR you don’t really know WTF you are talking about.
Big Chiefy – calm down. You get all red in the face, and start spitting when you get like that! But, thank you for your multiple choice response. I’ll take the first one: ” it’s a bad thing for all candidates.” CNN suffers from an obvious far-left bias and resulting lack of journalistic integrity. CNN’s viewers expect this, and CNN delivers it to them daily. So, why would non-leftists such as DJT and DeSantis sit down with the haters in order to reach the CNN viewers who also hate them? What do Trump and DeSantis seek to achieve? Maybe you and JR could talk it over, and let me know whether I know WTF I’m talking about. Enlighten us.
Q,
No worries my guy. By the way is Q short for ‘questioning’ in the LGBTQIA+? Did I leave anyone out? I didn’t meant to but you alphabet people get touchy about your evolving group of letters/symbols. Moving on.
Great job dude! You showed you can follow simple instructions and decided to choose option number 1, it’s a bad thing for all candidates (to go on CNN). This was offered as an option b/c while lambasting DeSantis for accepting an invite from CNN you chose to ignore Trump’s appearance in May.
When folks make omissions like this, as you did in your original post, it is IMO, dishonest at best and deliberately deceptive and hypocritical at worst. This is the sort of the thing legacy media does, until they get roasted by community notes on Twitter (thanks Elon!).
Personally I think candidates must go into hostile environments n/c it helps them sharpen and hone their message. In a friendly environment the candidate can speak in generalities and campaign telling points without challenge. Not so when the lefties are running the show as you pointed out.
In point of fact Trump went on CNN and 4.4 million people watched it live and who knows how many delayed or on the internet. Everyone who watched saw Trump kick ass v a hostile host. He had a great performance, so good the lefty legacy media went into fits of outrage at CNN for giving the live platform to get his message out.
All in all, going into a hostile environment gets the candidate in front of a wider audience than would normally listen while also forcing them to prepare for gotcha /detailed follow up questions with a hostile interviewer that is probably gonna try and interrupt and inject untruths. All those things make the candidate stronger for having done it.
JR is entirely capable of speaking for himself.
Trump went on CNN just 2 months ago to address CNN viewers.
Thanks, JR, but we already know that. Are you saying that you believe that DJT going on CNN made good sense to you? What do you think DJT intended to achieve?
The “Swamp” wants a prolonged war in Ukraine with the intent of attacking Russia, overthrowing Putin and installing a government amenable to allowing the US/EU axis to strip Russia of energy and mineral resources. That is why nobody at the White House or State is suing for peace or recognizing Ukraine is a lost cause and to begin to deescalate with an exit strategy.
If RdS truly is serious about draining the Swamp, he would not have reversed course about his characterizing the Russian invasion as a territorial dispute that has no remote attachment to U.S. interests. That was his Trump moment of clarity, only to be pulled back in by his donors and handlers. The same donors and handlers who feed in the Swamp.
Trump, on the other hand, has insider experience and… a score to settle. It’s personal. That motivation alone has a better chance of success in taking down the entrenched and weaponized federal agencies at Justice and State.
It’s more than personal. The way they are trying to take down Trump it’s almost personal survival.
I am still a Trump guy, and doubt it matters who runs as they e Deep State and Cultural Marxists will fraud the election out again. But if it’s DeSantis running inthe primary I amas fine with that as would be with Trump.
Sad
He’s Jeb plus, good luck with that
Will the crocks take you last?
“”He’s Jeb plus””
And yet Trump has been running to his left. What does that make him? Romney?
I can’t believe you actually try to reason with gonzo. It is like the tar baby in “Song of the
South” where no matter how BrerFox hit him, he just got more stuck. The more you try to reason with it the sillier you look. As General Honoree said, “You can’t fix stupid”.
Here is a perfect example of just how effed up the repub leadership in the senate is, for years, here is a perfect example. The bridge over the Ohio River at Cincinnati ( I71 /75) has been in need of replacement for years./ decades.
With McConnell running the senate with Trump as president ( who also loves to claim ties in his youth to Cincinnati) never got the project funded.
Yet on his way out the door of the senate Cincinnati native Rob Portman working with McConnell and Biden all of a sudden finds $ 1.6 billion dollars for a new bridge and related work.
It’s called working in DC. Trump never had that skill and nothing he got done is there today.
THEY’VE BEEN GOING AFTER THIS PRESIDENT BEFORE HE WAS EVEN ELECTED AND IT
HAS BEEN NON-STOP.
REP. JIM JORDAN
Get it?
Earlier in this comment section you declared that Rep Jordan was worthless by comparing him to Trey Gowdy, ‘all hat and no cattle’. Which is it?
Either Jordan and everything he says is a load of BS or it isn’t. This sort of either blatant hypocrisy or lack of discipline in keeping track of your prior arguments undercuts your ability to persuade anyone of the strength or basic credibility of your positions.
We can’t have a good faith debate, discussion or exchange of ideas about candidates unless we all operate in good faith by being consistent about the standards we hold them to. We can’t simply excuse X behavior in ‘our guy’ if we lambasted other candidates for the same or similar things.
It also doesn’t advance the discussion to selectively choose poll numbers depending on which candidate they show gaining/leading nor when/whether a quote from some person of influence helps ‘our guy’ but seek to discredit the statement if it hurts ‘our guy’.
Unless we are all honest enough to be consistent then we aren’t having an honest discussion in good faith.
I am waiting for the following questions to be posed, to Trump, are there any members of your cabinet, inner circle that you will ask to come back and work with you in a second term, who are those people?
I would also ask the other repub candidates, are there any former cabinet members or members of the team from Trump’s term that you would ask to work with you? The prior Bush administration?
I think the responses would be good at shaping what 2025 and beyond could hold.
One of my biggest concerns in 2025 if a repub wins the white house, that concern is who is running the senate. We all saw what Trump did or didn’t get done with a majority ( often just in numbers, not actual votes). Just how effective any president will be is going to be heavily influenced by who is confirming nominees, getting legislation to the floor.. You could be looking at two years of total gridlock starting in 2025.
Aah, but you have the old executive order that was used almost exclusively by Trump because he couldn’t work with a Republican-controlled Congress for two years! He had it all and still got nothing passed but the tax cut and the embassy moved to Jerusalem. Everything else was done with executive orders. The MAGA people, of course, blame Congress, not DJT.
Perhaps a tax revolt is in order.
Go ahead, lock us all up…where will revenue come from?
I’m fed up. Bring it.
And they will
And like the our support for the Jan 6 protesters, we will 99% cower in the corner and not fight for you
We are sheep, and people who believe Ronnie ain’t bought still believe in fairy tales
I do think President Trump was naive, we all were to the depth of the traitors in our mist and how deep it is
Who 5-8 years ago would think teachers would be protesting to sexualization our children, parents would take their children to drags shows, cut their girls breasts off and boys penises and moms for liberty would be labeled a hate group ( I know, they are a new group)
We are so screwed
It’s Trump 2024 or nobody
It’s WAR, as Breitbart said years ago, we just didn’t realize he was so freaking right
He was the one that really opened my eyes , in Madison, standing before the hordes, a warrior who didn’t mince words
We was a great loss, dang, it was so freaking heart breaking…but we need a WAR President and I believe Trump is him
Accept non substitutes
This is really for all the marbles, we lose or get cheated AGAIN, it is all over
OK. Lead the charge if you are so committed. Be the first one to be locked up. Oh, sorry, you meant for that to be someone other than you.
Watching clips of congressional hearings — yeah, I question my life choices sometimes — the adminicritters constantly proclaim they are restricted from answering this, disclosing that, releasing the other.
What can the prezzy do? What takes a law, passed through congress against vicious arm-twisting, and vested interests?
I recall that it took legislation for both the ad hoc forever war mandate — excuse me, I mean AUMF, and the reorg into the internal state police — excuse me, creating the DHS, and reorganizing “intelligence” orgs. We get a new cabinet department from time to time, too, also requiring a law which seems to sail through congress every time. (A new ministry grabbing more scope for grift and graft always gets approved. This is my shocked look.)
Assuming a president trying to, how do we get some of that done? Does it look like even a Feckless R congress will get behind any of this, even for Ronbo of Florida?
He does not know how to do any of that. There is no swamp. Name names, name places, name addresses. Who are the “bad guys” that you can anything with or to.
You want to do something? Hold a Constitutional Convention and enumerate the topics that Americans can vote on.
.
How does DeSantis propose to do this, really? The entire point of the civil service rules that were instituted during the progressive era was to prevent this exact thing: a President reining executive departments to his will. That is why civil service rules basically make firing and replacing employees or disbanding departments altogether impossible, to effectively make them a law unto themselves whose agenda cannot be countered when a Republican administration is formally “in power” (when in fact they are not).
You do it by cutting the head off of the snake, and letting nature take its course – that is, fire all of the political appointees from the prior administration. Trump failed because he didn’t fire Obama holdovers and fill the slots with loyal, competent, replacements. I doubt that he’s learned anything from it. If he has, it doesn’t show.
It is very difficult to fire a federal employee so what you do is “Promote” them to an office where they have no power but still get full pay. I know it hurts to do that but their salary is a small price to pay for them having no power or control over entire workforces and agencies.
I think this is a good option, as well, if all else fails. Open a federal department of paper clips in (oh, I dunno) Wyoming, and ship all the “resistance” and other assorted anti-American federal employees there to count paper clips all day long. That’s one taxpayer-funded initiative I could get fully behind. 😛
He’s said that he will use his Article II powers (in the OP) and work with Congress (what a novel idea!). Rules–including civil service rules–are just that, rules, not laws, and they can be undone by the chief executive (per Article II).
No the civil service protections were not created to prevent …’a President from reining executive delta to his will’. The executive branch employees all report directly or indirectly to the President, the Chief Executive.
What you describe is that the voters elect a President who has policy position X but if federal employees don’t like X they can refuse to implement X with impunity b/c civil service rules are their shield. The purpose of the civil service rules is prevent cronyism and mass firing of what are supposed to be APOLITICAL federal employees. When these folks act in a partisan manner to ‘resist’ aka insubordination they can be fired. A long road, granted, but it can be done with enough political will and determination.
The real power players in the agencies are the Senior Executive Service (SES) not the drones. While the drones (GS level employees) have civil service protection those protections don’t immunize them for insubordination or firing for cause. They can also be downsized or transferred to another agency or better yet to some new make work interagency task force in the Arctic circle. Let them keep their paycheck if the they go count snowflakes in the Arctic.
The SES don’t enjoy the same civil service protection. They are much easier to fire and to discipline.
What you described is somewhat accurate in practice, I am perfectly willing to conceded the point. However, when the day comes that a POTUS is serious about smacking down wayward/ideological federal employees it will happen, lots of ways to do it, some of them just make life difficult until the employee quits. None of them require the employee to remain at their desk allowed to deliberately refuse to implement the policy agenda of the President.
“No the civil service protections were not created to prevent …’a President from reining executive delta to his will’. The executive branch employees all report directly or indirectly to the President, the Chief Executive.”
Actually they were.
The civil service was created to remove the power of the executive to control the bureaucracy.
The term ‘cronyism’ was devised to describe an executive replacing the members of the outgoing administrations with his own supporters.
By making the peaceful exchange of power impossible, the entrenched bureaucracy began to form.
This allowed the deep state
Before Civil Service, all fed employees were replaced every time party control of the Presidency changed. That would be millions of people if the spoils system was still done today. Civil Service got rid of the spoils system, but it also allowed many senior managers to become an entrenched center of power. We need to move things back a little bit the other way, so that senior managers in law enforcement and intelligence agencies are more politically accountable.
“Civil Service got rid of the spoils system…”
Really? You couldn’t tell by looking at it.
“Civil Service got rid of the spoils system…”
One of the arguments for direct election of Senators was to eliminate the “spoils systems” associated with the state gov designating Senators.
That’s worked out … not great.
This is useful. People are stepping in with takes on how the game is set up and what might be done. We’re learning things.
“No the civil service protections were not created to prevent …’a President from reining executive delta to his will’. The executive branch employees all report directly or indirectly to the President, the Chief Executive.”
Well, that’s if we take the plain language of the constitution as, um, plain language. I note the sudden, steady silence on the topic after Gov Hair Gell proclaimed “OK, we can’t gun control like we want because of that inconvenient constitution. Here’s an amendemnt that will let us do what we want.”
There’s a lot of interests and more actors not much constrained by an inconvenient constitution. Many, like three of The Supremes, really presume a govt of experts, empowered to do whatever they think necessary. I’ve read things attributed to Pres Wilson, asserting more or less a govt of experts, installed in the permanent bureaucracy, however one got to that.
Certainly, recently we have everything from shallow bleats to “crafted” legislation putting agencies and operations outside the reach of the executive, or trying to. Let’s recall Native Lizzy’s financial everything ministry proposal. We have congresscritters, judges, and various bleaters, proclaiming some department outside the presidency’s reach. Certainly the DoJ isn’t shy about declaring “You’re not the boss of me!” when it suits them to the executive, congress, and the judiciary, Don’t get me started on the “security” apparatus.
The Constitution’s plain language is one tool, I think. Not enough to get the whole way there by itself, I think.