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Trump v. DeSantis On ‘Woke’

Trump v. DeSantis On ‘Woke’

Trump Discusses “Woke” As A Word; DeSantis Sees Woke Agenda As “Existential Threat”

Andrew Breitbart once famously proclaimed that politics is downstream from culture. I don’t think that a lot of people fully understood his meaning at the time, but it has become all too clear as the radical left, intent on destroying America, has marched through our institutions.

The long march through our institutions threatens the very fabric not just of our society and culture but of what it means to be an American. America is not just free market principles applied to a federation of states; we are also, arguably more so, defined by our exceptionalism.

That exceptionalism has always been rooted in our culture: God, family, flag and country. And American exceptionalism is found in every off-shoot of each. From our long-held and cherished principles of freedom and liberty to our sense that each generation leave a better, more prosperous, nation to our children to our pull-yourself-up-by-the-bootstraps rugged individualism that understood the need for devotion to our fellow Americans, to being good neighbors and better citizens.

Andrew Breitbart alerted us to the dangers that we now see manifested in and infesting our schools, corporations, even our religious institutions, and of course, permeating all branches of our government.

We did fight back, but perhaps we didn’t quite see—or fully appreciate—that this battle-cry was tied directly to Andrew’s pointed observation that politics is downstream from culture.

Like a metastatic cancer, leftist ideology has slowly—though with increasing speed of late—spread into every area of our society and culture and therefore into the lives of our children. Leftists cannot abide God and faith; they fear a united people who rally around a flag, who are patriotic and believe in their nation and its founding principles; they see the family unit as a barrier to their cradle to grave nanny state; and they utterly loathe anything that is or can be called uniquely American, not simply as a part of their divide and conquer strategy but because they have a deranged hatred for America and all that she stands for.

Their goal is our nation’s utter destruction, and they are leveraging our institutions to destroy our national identity, to stamp out uniquely American values and principles, and to undermine the very idea of what it means to be an American.

The radical, regressive left are engaged in, and as Andrew noted, full race and class warfare, in imposing cultural Marxism on an American model that cannot withstand its crushing destruction of all that it means to be an American. In that sense, we are very much in a fight against, as Florida governor Ron DeSantis states, “an existential threat” to our country.

The battle for the soul of our country has been dismissively referred to by the activist leftist media, influencers, and pundits as frivolous sniping about the term “woke.”

Unfortunately, it appears that former president Trump is eager to push their narrative that the problem is the term “woke” and not what it actually means for our country.

Newsweek reports:

Earlier this week, Trump distanced himself from the right-wing buzzword, saying Republicans are overusing “woke.”

While speaking during a presidential campaign stop in Iowa on Thursday, Trump told the crowd at the Westside Conservative Club that “half” the people who use the word “woke” can’t define it.

“I don’t like the term ‘woke,’ because I hear the term ‘woke woke woke,” said Trump in a video shared on Twitter. “It’s just a term they use, half the people can’t define it, they don’t know what it is.”

The leftist media is, naturally, overjoyed to have the discussion shift to the term “woke” rather than to the destructive agenda the word speaks to, so they asked DeSantis about Trump’s dismissal of the term.

The Hill reports:

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) defined “woke” as a “form of Cultural Marxism” when asked to define the word in response to former President Trump’s remark that he does not like to define the word because “half the people can’t even define it.”

When asked by NBC correspondent Dasha Burns to define the term during his campaign stop in Iowa on Saturday, DeSantis responded that it is “basically a war on the truth.”

“Look, we know what woke is, it’s a form of cultural Marxism,” DeSantis said. “It’s about putting merit and achievement behind identity politics, and it’s basically a war on the truth. And as that has infected institutions, and it has corrupted institutions. So, you’ve got to be willing to fight the woke, we’ve done that in Florida, and we proudly consider ourselves the state where woke goes to die.”

While Trump’s team pointed out (accurately) that Trump did not say the culture wars are “no big deal,” Trump has previously dismissed the culture wars more broadly, favoring a focus on economic policy, trade, and the military.

Indeed, Trump has come at DeSantis from the left on cultural issues from abortion to protecting our nation’s children from being sexualized in schools, from siding with Disney over DeSantis to his team expressing its displeasure with the pushback against and boycott of Bud Light.

It really doesn’t matter what we call the woke and their evil agenda, it’s what they are doing to this great country that matters. Trump knows exactly what he is doing when going along with the left’s desire to shift the discussion not to policy but to the descriptor “woke.” Trump is playing into the left’s hands by shifting the narrative from a destructive agenda to mere word choice. His chaotic and incomprehensible shift on this issue is worrying, particularly when there is so much more at stake than the 2024 GOP nomination for president.

Trump once said that without borders, we don’t have a country, and he is correct. But what kind of country do we have even if the border is closed and the economy is humming if what it means to be America, to be an American, is destroyed in all of our institutions and throughout our society and culture?

This moment definitely has a “Now or Never” feel to it.


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It breaks my heart every time these two go at each other.

    scooterjay in reply to | June 5, 2023 at 5:55 am

    It is fascinating…American people reject mudslinging politics.
    When will media sources honor our desire and quit manufacturing outrage?

Woke is just aggressive virtue signalling. It’s based on stupidity. It’s defeated by treating it that way.

This involves calling out women, but the right is too woke to do that, for the same reason that you don’t argue with your wife. They have their thing and you have to pretend to be interested in it or they’ll make your life hell.

Trump, with his Don Rickles sense of humor, will do better against it than DeSantis the Virtuous framing it as a battle against evil.

    Paul in reply to rhhardin. | June 5, 2023 at 12:24 am

    You don’t consider convincing little kids to surgically mutilate their genitals to be evil?

    healthguyfsu in reply to rhhardin. | June 5, 2023 at 10:11 pm

    Trump has done so well so far in PR.

    Danny in reply to rhhardin. | June 6, 2023 at 10:48 pm

    You mean like the way he had the military go woke under his term? You mean by losing elections? You mean by being deliberately alienating towards voters? You mean by ignoring the issue and taking his orders from google? You mean by tolerating big tech censorship till the day it included him?

    He is a liability, and if he wins you will find the same I don’t give a dam approach he had in his first term.

Trump … will do better against it than DeSantis …”

Not seeing it.

    rhhardin in reply to alien. | June 4, 2023 at 8:52 pm

    Virtue can’t call out stupidity.

      Lucifer Morningstar in reply to rhhardin. | June 4, 2023 at 9:27 pm

      And with Trump you’ve got stupidity in spades at this point. The left if going to eat him alive if he is nominated 2024 presidential candidate. Guaranteed.

        Lucifer Morningstar in reply to Lucifer Morningstar. | June 5, 2023 at 9:35 am

        Stupid is as stupid does. First it was unfavorably comparing DeSantis’ covid response with Cuomo’s. What the heck was that about. And now it’s dismissing the “woke” and woke agenda as just simply “terms that nobody knows how to define”. Total insanity on Trump’s part. Total stupidity, too. As I said before the left is going to eat Trump alive on these kinds of issues if he is nominated 2024 republican candidate. Guaranteed.

The culture war issues must be fought and no longer ignored. That apathy and indifference is how we ended up here with public officials and employees actively hostile to Parents while they simultaneously conceal minor children beginning a ‘transition’. The same for climate change. Failure to push back and now several States who over invested in wind/solar while phasing out coal/gas and nuke electric generation will have unreliable power this summer (again).

All these issues are tied together in a big woke lefty bundle. Climate change, trans issues, mandatory EV, reconfigured appliances that won’t work as well, DEI/CRT, runaway govt spending (including grants that fund the woke agenda), lax enforcement of laws, early prison release, overbearing govt officials, vax mandates, refusal to tap N American Energy, regulations that virtually prohibit construction of new pipelines or refinery, open borders, all of it.

It’s all of one piece pushed by the same lefty ideological cabal. We either push back against it or we get run over. The American Citizen is plenty smart and certainly able to point out examples of where woke nonsense has been thrust into their lives and the overwhelming majority ain’t happy about it, most relish a confrontation to push back.

    thad_the_man in reply to CommoChief. | June 4, 2023 at 10:35 pm

    Yes they must but not head on not yet. For example if you use the terms CRT or DEI you will get beaten ove the head. They now use the term SEL. You neeed to come to it from the side.

      CommoChief in reply to thad_the_man. | June 4, 2023 at 11:23 pm

      The ‘not yet’ and/or not head on argument is how we got here; inaction. This is well past academic debate. The specific terms are frankly irrelevant b/c they are a distraction. It’s a waste of time to worry about what mask the woke frauds donned today. These are the same folks who tell us there are 80+ different gender descriptions.

      Yes the financiers, many infiltrated by if not quite captured by woke ideologues are helping drive the train in the corporate world and through them in our world; bud light, target and so on. The new hotness is SEL which is nothing more than a shakedown of corporate culture by woke ideologues

      The primary focus is the willingness to engage those who wish to tear down Western Civilization. That’s not hyperbole that’s the aim of these ideologues; to replace and remake our culture and society into something different. Not surprisingly the purveyors of this nonsense envision themselves as forming the leadership class in their utopia while the rest of us are cast into a neo feudal dystopia of toiling in the fields.

      Waiting until the time is right or for more favorable conditions to arrive or whatever other excuse we wish to make for hesitating yet again instead of rolling up our sleeves and pushing back is folly. DeSantis and other Governors are showing the way forward; a systemic and unyielding engagement along multiple fronts to roll back the woke agenda.

        thad_the_man in reply to CommoChief. | June 4, 2023 at 11:57 pm

        You don’t read carefully. I didn’t say you don’t take it on. I said don’t take it on head on. They hagve the grou nd right now. There maybe a time to take them on head on but now is not it.

        I’m loathe to use Hary Potter as an example, but I will. Harry did not beat Delores Umbridge by taking her head on. He only got himself grief. It wa when he found other inderect ways to take her on that he suceeded.

        I listed some ways indirect ways in my long post.

          CommoChief in reply to thad_the_man. | June 5, 2023 at 7:41 am

          A few Governors and AG are have all secured head on victory in ED with more to follow. The bud light and target public boycott seems to be having an impact beyond those two companies.

          Amusingly enough, America First Legal, Stephen Miller’s outfit, is gathering plaintiffs for filing class action lawsuits for breach of Fiduciary Duty v Target and AB (bud light). Several State AG on this path as well going after SEL, I believe the count is up to 17 States.

          DeSantis signed legislation preventing expenditure of public funds for DEI/CRT and appointed a majority anti woke board of trustees for Florida’s New College, causing some leftist meltdowns when he took away their toy.

          There’s plenty of successes in a head on direct confrontation. Perhaps you could define what you mean by both head on and indirect while providing specific examples of each to compare and contrast them.

          FWIW the Student debt can be restructured by the debtor. Let them refinance their home and take cash out to pay it off if they wish. They signed on and owe the debt under the framework that it couldn’t be discharged in a bankruptcy. They can join the military and have most of it waived. The debtors have a host of options besides crying about repayment.

It’s this alarming “March through our institutions” that has me favoring DeSantis. It’s my perception that he gets it and isn’t wavering. Nothing else will matter if wokeness prevails as it destroys everything else. That said, I’m in Idaho, previously in California so all I really know of DeSantis is what I read and hear him say. But I’m not listening to CNNCDSABCMSNBCFOX either, so hopefully I’m getting mostly truth.

    thad_the_man in reply to jimincalif. | June 4, 2023 at 10:28 pm

    He doesn’t get it. Trump doesn’t get it. Jordan Peterson doesn’t get it. the only people ( other then the marchers ) are what I call the divine trinity of acadamia”. Boghossian, Lindsay and Pluckrose”. And they only have a small hint.

Speaking of media scum:

Ike Turner was slandered by Hollywood: Tina Turner was no angel…

thad_the_man | June 4, 2023 at 10:23 pm

“Woke” is a slippery term. Look at the Oxford Union debate “Has Wokeism gone to far?” ( James Lindsay’s turn is particularly funny ). Every one off the what people here would say are “woksters” denied there being a coherent definition of woke. ( Though I remember there being an academic definition, I just can’t find the source, )

Are you ready to read “Epistomology of the Closet”? Gramsci? Are you ready to learn Hegel and Marx? I mean actually read their stuff.

Everyone here knows what CRT is, but do they know what critical actually means?

The way to fight it is not head on. It is similar to Twain’s claim that it is bad to argue with an idiot because he will drag you inrto familiar territory and beat you over the head with it. To argue about things like the definiton of “woke” is to enter their territory and deal with their weird for of cultural marxism ( a term which they deny exists now, but which they created ).

Note that even CRT is no longer CRT. It became DEI then it became ( I think ) SEL, WHo knows what it will be tomorrow and if you fight them head on you will lose.

The way to fight the cultural marxists in the polical sphere is:
1. To tear down what constitute the present “deep state”, and to make sure that it cannot ever grow strong.
2. Antitrust. You think Anheiser-Bush and Target did what they did because of their own opinions. No it was pressure from Blackrock and Vanguard. Two companies which form a trust.
3. Tame education. This one is the easiest ( note: not easy but the easiest. ) Everyone decreis student loan forgiveness, and I agree to a point. The students should be punished for their gulibility, but not to the extent that they are now. Instead there should be ways iof restructuring their debt ( still punishment) and of finding ways of punishing Universities for producing students who are not employable.
4. Take on individual issues.

Trump is smart for not taking on a broad topic like “woke”. Even if he wins, he never gets anything else done.

DeSantis is dumb for trying to take it onm. it’s a fight he can’t win because he doesn’t understand their post-post-modernist ways.

Note; There is an excellent introduction on YT called “Woke Reformation” .
Two excellent books are:
“Cynical Theories” and “How to Have Impossible Conversations”.

Now I can go back to an intersting YT video about computers being a social construct.

henrybowman | June 4, 2023 at 10:28 pm

There’s so much absolute bullshit in this fight it’s appalling.

Legum: “In 2020, Trump sold an entire line of “WOKE” campaign merch.”
Did Trump run the “Trump store?” No.
Legum is a liar.

“Trump: “I don’t like the term ‘woke,” because I hear the term ‘woke woke woke’ — it’s just a term they use, half the people can’t define it, they don’t know what it is.”
Well, Don, it’s a shame you can’t define it. Others can, and have. Maybe if you had done your homework, you could define it, too.

Plus — the Right did not invent the term “woke.” It was invented and then proudly flaunted by the woke left. They defined it by example. Their example showed it was wrong for America.

    thad_the_man in reply to henrybowman. | June 4, 2023 at 10:58 pm

    As I pointed out, in the OXford Union debate the wokesters all said that the definition of “woke” is ambiguous at best. A lot of wokesters deny there uis even a term”woke”.

      henrybowman in reply to thad_the_man. | June 4, 2023 at 11:38 pm

      Like I care what conflicting lies a leftist tells me at any given time.
      It’s not in their interests right now to have a definition of woke, so they claim there isn’t one.
      It’s not in Randi Weingarten’s favor right now to admit she kept our kids’ schools closed, so she lies through her teeth and insists she said the opposite of what she’s on video saying.
      Same bullshit, different day, totally uninteresting.
      Such lies are not even data points, they’re just gnats on your screen that will move around as various regions get warmer or cooler.

    “half the people can’t define it,”

    How does that become, “it’s a shame you can’t define it?”

      It’s like obscenity. As Justice Potter Stewart said, he can’t define it but he knows it when he sees it.

      henrybowman in reply to oldschooltwentysix. | June 5, 2023 at 2:56 pm

      Because as a “professional” politician, if he thinks it’s something his people ought to be paying attention to, it’s literally his job to clarify it for them. That he can’t or won’t take the effort shows me he doesn’t grasp its importance. It IS important, dammit. Wokeness is cultural Marxism. If you don’t understand that, you don’t belong in power.

I’d define it as…

“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”
— George Orwell, 1945

It’s amusing to see that Trump saying a truth (that woke is vague and ambiguous and many do not know what it is) means he’s now pushing a narrative for the left. Such astute reactions from many engaged in the hustle for their livelihood, or for their fix. The outrage! It’s good for a chuckle to see the seriousness.

Does Trump really need to prove himself in this regard? He focuses more on the abuse of power he and others experience first hand. The police state stuff, the corruption and threat to rule of law. The dishonest media that collude. And then on to foreign policy, trade, energy, the threats to America caused by Biden. Woke is an important and related issue, but not the only issue.

Woke is a primary emphasis for DeSantis. If he wants to act as if Trump’s not on board, that’s his choice. Trump is more the libertarian than crusader. DeSantis can therefore be “the” culture warrior. He needs something to differentiate and it’s an important issue. Voices grow, especially parents. People are more comfortable to say what they feel and to notice the harms. Thankfully, Bud Light, Target, the Dodgers, are doing a fine job turning off the public without much outside help. The backlash they created may become a movement of people sick of it all.

Anyway, can’t wait to see what tomorrow brings from pundits, talking heads, and junkies that take so much out of all proportion, then offer up white noise until the next thing comes along.

    inspectorudy in reply to oldschooltwentysix. | June 5, 2023 at 12:47 pm

    DeSantis uses the term “Woke” because it was invading his state and he fought back. He is winning the battle and Trump is trying to take that victory away by claiming that we are too stupid to understand the meaning of the word. That is a shocking thing for Trump to do since he has always elevated the common man/woman to a higher level than the left. This is his MO that any ground being gained by DeSantis must be attacked. Just look at his foolish attacks on the Disney battle and claiming that DeSantis was worse than Cuomo in the Covid fight! I am stunned by these absurd claims he makes and then turns around asking us to trust him on other issues.

      Perhaps you should ask some people what the word means, instead of playing pundit. He did NOT say anyone was too stupid to understand. That’s your take and it tshows where you are coming from. He’s so untrustworthy. Got it.

      The battle against wokeness occurs on many fronts. Yet here you are obsessing over Trump’s remarks that have NOTHING to do with the issue, covid. So it’s not really about woke, is it?

        inspectorudy in reply to oldschooltwentysix. | June 5, 2023 at 3:27 pm

        Do you really want to make a list of Trump’s OBVIOUS lies? There are so many mostly about his Republican opponents but still OBVIOUS. Do you really want to go there? That is the same genre as Hillary complaining about another person’s integrity.

          So it’s not about what he said about woke. Thanks for clearing that up.

          MarkSmith in reply to inspectorudy. | June 5, 2023 at 10:50 pm

          Make the list, please. I keep hearing that stupid line and the list is just a big nothing burger.

          DeSantis has done nothing for me, Trump has:

          3 SC justices and over turned Roe/Wade putting it on the States
          Increased my retirement fund (now slipping away with Biden)
          First President to speak at Right to Life
          Addressed Border Issues
          Got Cost of Living expenses lower
          Move Jobs here
          Righted some of the Justice inequities
          Exposed the swamp
          Exposed the lies by MSM

          I think the 2nd Amend people felt stronger than ever under Trump
          Military deployment was decreased

          Let the echo chamber ring with the list of lies. Show me a politician that doesn’t?

          The Globalist backing DeSantis are the Covid/Agenda 21 that could careless about DeSantis and want Trump out of their way to help so the New World Order can thrive.

        DeSantis is the one who is attacking woke in the front that matters.

        If you will not fight for the institutions (which Trump has made very clear he will not do) you are not helpful.

        You are aware that abandoning the battle against wokeness because Trump did…..

        Enjoy your children growing up to respect the racial hierarchy, your daughter being taught to cut her breasts off and losing custody of her if you tell her she is a girl, drag queen story hour, CRT indoctrination, and the pride flag (all of which are woke).

        Trump’s remarks have everything to do with the fight, which Trump isn’t part of.

        Trump did join the leftwing narrative, and apparently you joined him.

        Better to lose another generation than to stop worshipping Trump am I right?

RepublicanRJL | June 5, 2023 at 5:51 am

The term ‘woke’ is going to go the way of ‘racist’. Once everything is racist, then nothing is racist.

MoeHowardwasright | June 5, 2023 at 6:16 am

When you are “woke” it means you have been awakened to the illegal way America was founded. The constitution, founding fathers, etc are all illegitimate. That’s what it means to me. And as far as I can see it’s what educators, leftists, colleges, levers of government, et all now believe. Governor DeSantis takes the cultural rot head on. The economic resurgence will come from smashing “woke” into the ground. The TRUTH is that this is a no holds barred fight for America as founded. America’s 250th anniversary is fast approaching. We will either be celebrating our founding and the miracle of our Constitution or lamenting what once was. It all hinges on 2024. Trump cannot win the general. DeSantis can. FJB

Sounds like DeSantis addressed it directly. DJT’s comment leaves us in the dark as to how he defines it.

    henrybowman in reply to Q. | June 5, 2023 at 2:58 pm

    “Nobody understands this and I won’t offer any guidance either” is not a great look for a politician.

If Trump can’t bring himself to like the word ‘woke’, maybe he can be convinced that the word ‘war’ will easily take its place. DeSantis already knows this. This will be a war to the finish..

freespeechfanatic | June 5, 2023 at 9:11 am

Trump is showing his blind spot over the culture war. And perhaps relatedly his age. DeSantis has a winning issue here.

Steven Brizel | June 5, 2023 at 9:25 am

If Trump does not know what the woke world advocates on issues of race gender and climate wants he is unfit to be a candidate and President

    BoboPhat in reply to Steven Brizel. | June 5, 2023 at 10:49 am

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    President Donald J. Trump fought tirelessly to expand charter schools and school choice for America’s children. He secured permanent funding for Historically Black Colleges and Universities and protected free speech on college campuses. Now, Joe Biden and the radical left are using the public school system to push their perverse sexual, racial, and political material on our youth. President Trump will cut federal funding for any school or program pushing Critical Race Theory or gender ideology on our children. His administration will open Civil Rights investigations into any school district that has engaged in race-based discrimination. President Trump will veto the sinister effort to weaponize civics education, keep men out of women’s sports, and create a credentialing body to certify teachers who embrace patriotic values. President Trump will reward states and school districts that abolish teacher tenure for grades K-12 and adopt Merit Pay, cut the number of school administrators, adopt a Parental Bill of Rights, and implement the direct election of school principals by the parents.”

      gonzotx in reply to BoboPhat. | June 5, 2023 at 11:07 am

      How dare you post something positive about President Trump!

      Paul in reply to BoboPhat. | June 6, 2023 at 1:57 pm

      Let’s not forget that their is a vast, massive, chasm between what Trump says he will do and what is is actually able to do. This gap is largely due to his highly ineffectual management style, which is partly caused by his inability to communicate in an articulate fashion and his penchant for pissing people off unecessarily.

      But hey… BUILD THE WALL! Amirite?

        Another very real concern is who in the heck would work in a Trump admin? He’s proven that he is spiteful, vindictive, and disloyal to even his most loyal supporters (Kayleigh, comes to mind, but he’s trashed pretty much everyone who ever worked in his admin–except Fauci and Birx!). There is no amount of money on this earth that could convince me to work for Trump in any capacity at all (and gov’t positions have set salaries/grades, so money isn’t even in play here; it’s all about the boss, and Trump is the worst boss I’ve ever seen in my life). And I am nobody. People with actual government resumes and careers are not going to work for this man.

        Where is he going to get “the top” and “the best” people? Because he was running on fumes the first time around, and now he is completely toxic as an employer.

        He turns on EVERYONE who has ever been even in his sphere, let alone worked for him, and he goes scorched earth on them for the tiniest thing. No one with any experience, expertise, skill, or knowledge will agree to work in a second Trump admin.

        He can’t win, but if he did, who would he hire that is worth a damn? And how can he do anything when no one with the necessary skills and knowledge will touch him with a ten-foot pole?

      Danny in reply to BoboPhat. | June 6, 2023 at 10:40 pm

      Spammers like you need to STFU and GTFO

      Use your own words or shut up.

      If you did this in a classroom it would get you an f.

      By the way never has there been a supporter of Charter schools as a Republican president since George W Bush prior to Trump.

      Never before Trump did Republicans run on charter schools since……2015, never before Trump did republican presidential candidates run on charter schools since….Mitt Romney.

      I am sorry you don’t get special recognition for following long established Republican orthodoxies.

      Trump can’t win, and his policies are interchangeable with Jeb Bush.

      Your spam doesn’t change that.

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Yeah, Trump ia all about woke. Sarc. I thought more about the slams against DeSantis. It’s true that DeS would not have been in the position for a second term if he lost the first. He was disloyal. Trump doesn’t care if he makes nonsensical attacks. It’s the message. Since Trump was backstabbed to he** and back during and after his presidency [None of Trump’s actions have been unpredictable for people who supported him], he’s sending a message. Who would know who Kaleigh McIneny, who I liked as press sec was without Trump?
Trump would have probably backed DeS in 2028.

    willow in reply to willow. | June 5, 2023 at 11:43 am

    Speaking of nonsensical, I hope the gist of my comment comes through. Lack of proofreading

      CommoChief in reply to willow. | June 5, 2023 at 1:01 pm

      By your logic had Trump closed the deal in ’20 and been inaugurated to a 2nd term he would be endorsing him now.

      As to ‘loyalty’ from DeSantis to Trump this argument is farce. DeSantis not only endorsed Trump in ’16 but also argued for everyone in the GoP to STFU and get behind Trump as the nominee and stop the ‘brokered convention’ talk that was being batted around.

      DeSantis endorsed Trump in ’16 and ’20 along with full throated support. Trump endorsed DeSantis in ’18. The ledger is at best balanced between them and at worst Trump owes DeSantis another endorsement die to his monkeying around in ’22.

        MarkSmith in reply to CommoChief. | June 5, 2023 at 10:56 pm

        Any how many voted did DeSantis win in 2018?

          DeSantis won 4,076,186, and Gillum won 4,043,723. So DeSantis won by only 32,463 votes. It would seem that Trump’s support in the general didn’t result in a huge win (or much positive difference at all, since most of us voted for DeSantis because he was not mini-Obama). By contrast, DeSantis won his landslide 2022 reelection on merit, winning by 1,507,897 votes, or by nearly 20 points.

          But this is the problem with Trump. He can turn a GOP primary (as Trump’s endorsement did seem to give DeSantis a boost in ’18), but he is worthless in a general because pretty much everyone outside the GOP base loathes him.

          Heck, Trump’s support could be why DeSantis barely squeaked a victory in ’18 in the general election. People will walk over broken glass and through fire to vote against Trump-backed candidates, as we saw in ’22. That’s not going to change in ’24, you know. He may win the primary, but he cannot win the general because Trump-hatred is baked in–fairly or not, it is.

          MarkSmith in reply to MarkSmith. | June 6, 2023 at 9:00 am

          Interesting. So only Florida got the red wave? Think about it? But the there was no cheating in 2022?

          Cheating was through the roof in 2020 and 2022. It is an art that outfits like Tides and BLM and it’s not just Dems behind it (think Kemp Georgia). Fl has been a red state for a long time. The close race was all Desantis’ weak campaign. The echo chamber group think TSD is not going to win it for you. When you can prove to me he is not bought and paid for by the 40 Billionaires, maybe woke will be a concern. When he says he is against US funding the Ukr war then backs off, it shows how weak he is.

          healthguyfsu in reply to MarkSmith. | June 6, 2023 at 9:26 pm

          Yes, FL was such a red state when it voted in Crist as governor as a “Republican”.

          DeSantis is not Crist, Jeb, etc. FL made a real choice this time and they are loving it while it lasts.

          Danny in reply to MarkSmith. | June 6, 2023 at 10:33 pm

          Did you mean winning a swing state in a year of a massive blue wave?

          I am sorry but you can’t be selective, Trump was unpopular in 2018.

          DeSantis is the person who painted Florida red, Trump painted Michigan Wisconsin and Pennsylvania blue.

        willow in reply to CommoChief. | June 6, 2023 at 9:56 pm

        I am voting for DeS if he wins the nomination. I don’t care what slinging happens before the elections. Nothing new there.
        Trump haters will get their jollies soon when more miscarriages of justice occur with indictments. He’s going to be severly hamstrung.
        Woo hoo right?

    Danny in reply to willow. | June 6, 2023 at 10:36 pm

    1. You do not believe DeSantis backstabbed Trump because it never happened.

    2. You are utterly utterly deranged if you think a Trump endorsement entitles Trump to the nomination.

    3, Instead of sarcasm explain Trump’s support for woke corporations against conservatives.

Does the world really need MORE TDS?

Here’s the truth–we need Trump AND DeSantis

AND, not ‘or’.

Within the MAGA framework each serves a different, needed function. WE need them both.

The left knows this. The RINOs know this.

And now they are successfully pitting them AGAINST each other in the media. By so doing they are pitting US against each other.

To our detriment.


    healthguyfsu in reply to Azathoth. | June 6, 2023 at 11:27 am

    No, Trump is pitting himself against DeSantis on a weekly basis. It’s in his statements on a regular basis. Let’s not forget who first went after whom, even before the other had chosen to run.

    He talks about “loyalty” like he’s a Soprano or something.

healthguyfsu | June 5, 2023 at 10:23 pm

Thank you for the article fuzzy but it is far more interesting to see the trumpets pivot so hard that they twist ankles to try and cover this latest pile of trump shit.

To use his own word, Trump is being very milquetoast (that’s the correct spelling, Trump) about wokeism for some unfathomable reason. It’s certainly not for centrism as the center left does not like wokeism any more than the right. That’s what has pulled the center-left away from the progressives, although they are small and still highly tribal.

I can’t believe how far these trumpets will go to defend any awful move this guy makes. Sunk cost fallacy, as others have said, is the only explanation I can come up with at this point.

    MarkSmith in reply to healthguyfsu. | June 5, 2023 at 11:05 pm

    Wow, looks like there will be a big sale for personal dashboard Ron’s. For almost 9 years, I have watch the Never Trumpers twist. Stick to the issues. Woke is a small piece of the bigger issues and personally I think it is a state/local issue. It is a lost cause when it is made Federal. Until you get rid of Title IX, you are hosed. ESG is nasty stuff. Look that the Tides Foundation! Woke is just a small item in their massive voter fraud machine.

    But hey, echo chamber here, you really got a live issue with woke here not a distraction/s

      healthguyfsu in reply to MarkSmith. | June 6, 2023 at 11:24 am

      Not a never trumper. I voted for him twice. He’s flailing badly and can’t win re-election.

      The pivot is hilarious…now “woke” is a distraction to the cultists when it’s the embodiment of everything driving this country in the wrong direction.

      CommoChief in reply to MarkSmith. | June 6, 2023 at 2:02 pm

      Pretty sure there’s all sorts of woke nonsense coming from the Federal govt.

      In any event embrace of ‘woke’ is very good proxy to determine who does and does not stand with average voters. The purveyors of woke also sponsor all sorts of bad ideas. Anyone who embraces woke or takes up a defense of the woke purveyors is suspect.