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Elon Musk Confirms Apple Is Threatening Twitter’s Presence In Its App Store

Elon Musk Confirms Apple Is Threatening Twitter’s Presence In Its App Store

“Apple has also threatened to withhold Twitter from its App Store, but won’t tell us why”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIwLWfaAg-8

Elon Musk had no idea what he was getting into when he bought Twitter. Upon seeing that suppression of anything that the left deemed wrongthink was harming not only free speech but potentially civilization itself, he had a noble idea to do something about it.

Now everyone from Joe “I am the Democratic Party” Biden to outraged lefties in Congress to hate-filled Hollyweirdos to stenographer left-wing activists to Big Tech have Musk in their sights.

The Washington Post‘s resident crybully recently penned a piece in which she urges Apple and Google to “Parler” Twitter, i.e. remove the app from their stores because seeing words from people she doesn’t agree with is a serious trigger and makes her cry. Or something.

And now Musk has confirmed that Apple is indeed threatening to remove Twitter from its app store (archive links here and here):

Needless to say, people have thoughts.

It looks like Musk is ready for war.

[FS Update: Musk tweeted and then deleted the following meme:]

Like the man says, grab some popcorn.

[FS: updates with link and image from Musk’s tweet]

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This shouldn’t have come as a surprise to Musk. Apple and Google (as well as other internet services like AWS and Azure) have colluded to prevent social media applications like Parler and Gab from gaining traction. It is an illegal restraint of trade (afaik, ianal) but who is going to pursue them? Certainly not the corrupt DoJ.

    henrybowman in reply to iconotastic. | November 28, 2022 at 4:18 pm

    This is why this is so beautiful. Who better to sue the richest Marxists in the world than the richest man in the world? I can imagine the look on Tim Cook’s face when the minion from Kang, Kodos, Nibbler PLC slaps a “show cause” order on his desk. Gee, they got used to pushing around shrimps like Parler, where that was never a problem.

      Otto Kringelein in reply to henrybowman. | November 28, 2022 at 6:43 pm

      And I’m more than sure that Tim Cook (Apple) and Pichai Sundararajan (Google) have made it perfectly legal for them to pull apps from their respective stores for whatever reason, or no reason at all, in the TOS the Developers affirmatively agree to before being allowed to distribute their App on the respective stores.

      So even if the law firm of Dewey, Cheatum, and Howe send that “Show Cause” order they’ll simply get a reference to the TOS, if they get anything at all, and that will be it.

      Agreements and Guidelines for Apple Developers

      Google Play Developer Distribution Agreement

        The question here is not whether they can but whether they should. Being able to legally do something doesn’t make it right (property taxes, asset forfeiture, etc., legal but deeply wrong). If they do pull Twitter from Apple (and Google), Musk is not going to shuffle off into the shadows. This is the richest man in the world, not some random Holocaust survivor grandmother arrested by the Biden-Garland corruptocrats. Elon is taking a stand that is singularly important to the future of this country and the security of our Constitution.

        henrybowman in reply to Otto Kringelein. | November 28, 2022 at 9:08 pm

        The lawyers will leave a card, so Tim will have a number to call when Apple equipment stops working over Starlink…

          Zumkopf in reply to henrybowman. | November 29, 2022 at 9:05 am

          Not even remotely. There’s no artistic content. Apple isn’t saying it endorses any particular views by carrying Twitter, though one can argue it is endorsing specific views by banning it.

          Apple and Google are, in the age of Smartphones, simply common carriers for the people who want to communicate on the devices. Only now the communications are not limited to voices, but include text, commerce, information and amusement.

        BierceAmbrose in reply to Otto Kringelein. | November 29, 2022 at 3:23 pm

        It’s not just a legal action — it’s PR. The last thing Apple, Google or the rest want is anybody really looking at the ToS.

Typical. Likely upset there is no more grooming.

There’s a whole lot of suppression and ‘nudging’ being applied by various big players to not quite control but more like heavily coerce individuals and smaller players. It’s been going on for about decade and a half in earnest and much more openly the past six years. End result is a very narrow choice of providers most of whom have an ideological ax to grind.

The issue is centralization of network services particularly in cloud computing/ hosting. Amazon web services swings a very large stick as does the apple store. Annoy the neo totalitarians who run either and you have a large problem. Some of the smaller alternative players are on board with fascism as well which leaves the power concentrated in the hands of ideologues.

As Musk peels back the onion at Twitter much more is revealed to the wider public about how deep the rot is and how many corporate entities have fallen into the sway of intolerant SJW ideologues, and how much coordination there is across the players and with the Federal and some State govts.

    Olinser in reply to CommoChief. | November 28, 2022 at 6:13 pm

    Tim Pool mentioned something like this a couple days ago (I don’t listen to his show but have heard some of his points).

    He essentially said that honestly a lot of the virtue signaling businesses are NOT particularly woke or SJW, but they understand a simple truth.

    Namely, that if they piss off the right, they might complain about it online or they might lose some money, but if they piss off the left, they will actually show up and physically destroy their businesses and physically harm them.

    For a LOT of businesses its the simple calculation that they bow to the left because they will actually physically harm them and their businesses, and the right WILL NOT stop them from doing it.

    Purely out of self-interest a lot of the businesses mouth the party line of the left.

    Of course on the other hand Big Tech has been an absolute cesspit of woke wankery and censorship for years. THEY are the true believers, and the ones that have to be destroyed.

      Well, I just did my small part and decided against purchase of an iMac 24 and switching from a 2018 Android to an iPhone during the current sales events. The number one rule of marketing is not to unnecessarily anger a significant percentage of your customers. I think Apple is being rather unwise here.

        Last December I bought an iMac 27. Dumbest purchase I ever made: I could have bought 2 blazing hot PCs for the same price that would do better what my iMac struggles to do.

          henrybowman in reply to TheFineReport.com. | November 28, 2022 at 9:06 pm

          I have stopped recommending the iMac for all my customers, even the very old and very blind. Why waste money buying a new giant screen (and keyboard and mouse) when your old ones were never the problem? Buy the screen of your dreams, and drive it with an $800 Mac Mini (which doesn’t even come with a new KB or mouse unless you order one). Plus, Minis are still upgradeable and repairable, whereas you have to actually unglue and reglue the screens on today’s iMacs to do any upgrade or repair. Enough of that.

          The Gentle Grizzly in reply to TheFineReport.com. | November 29, 2022 at 8:08 am

          To Henry: “Plus, Minis are still upgradeable and repairable…”

          No, they are not, I have three Minis here. The one I am using for most of my bloviating commenting on LI is a 2014 model, where at best you can upgrade storage if you are really good with tools. Memory is permanent. I also have two of the new M1-processor Minis. AMAZING machines, but you can do NOTHING with them as far as I know.

          I am pleased with the M1s in every way as they satisfy my needs. They are, as you say, sold without accessories so I have what I want.

          I only stepped away from Windows when, with Windows 10, it became overburdened with ad-ware, reminders, pop-ups, and other clutter, causing me to lose patience.

          Linux? Please. Great for those still wearing propellor beanies and who like to tinker, tweak, poke, prod, and adjust. At my age, having a photo editor like Affinity means I can edit photos, as opposed to Gimp, which is FAR beyond my comprehension.

          It has always been like that. I recall that the 64 bit version of Photoshop came out on PCs first, because Apple couldn’t handle it for some reason.

          They haven’t always make great design choices. Their mice just suck. It he 80’s, they made a pill shaped mouse. Not so smart: when you grabbed it, more often than not, you did so in the wrong orientation, so when you went “up” on the mouse, it went sideways. A whole cottage industry formed to make normal mouse covers so you could use the things. They also only have one button. Is that for people with hooves? And that tiny pinhead scroll button they had (no idea if they still do), was a joke, and had no horizontal scroll function.

          I have never had a “fruitphone,” and never will. If there is a Tesla phone, I am in!! How hard will it be to undercut Apple’s hyperinflated prices?

          henrybowman in reply to TheFineReport.com. | November 29, 2022 at 7:34 pm

          Griz: Much of this is accurate. The 2014 and M1 memory are soldered. But the Intel 2018-current models are upgradable by an independent repair shop, which is what I am, so that is my standard for my customers. SSDs on 2018s and later are also soldered, which takes me aback because I could swear I upgraded my own, but it must have been its predecessor. All I can say is that Minis of an age most likely to need upgrading are still upgradeable, but those days are expiring.

          Dimsdale: The BB did in fact do horizontal scroll, just not in many apps. The BB’s problem was that it was a sponge for finger crud, and (unlike an old mouse ball) couldn’t be disassembled for cleaning. Rubbing it briskly on an alcohol cloth worked once or twice, then the fix required XActo knives and superglue.

        puhiawa in reply to jb4. | November 29, 2022 at 12:05 am

        I switched to Motorola. Just a couple days ago. Apple works for China and the Democratic party.

          The Gentle Grizzly in reply to puhiawa. | November 29, 2022 at 8:17 am

          Motorola phones ARE China.

          But, I will hand you this: the Motos work well, have an unbelievable charge life, and look good. The only thing I ever changed on mine was to silence that “Herroh, Motoh” voice with the accent of a Subic Bay bar girl.

The Gentle Grizzly | November 28, 2022 at 4:37 pm

I really think Apple would find itself with a tiger by the tail if they pulled Twitter.

Can you sideload apps on an iPhone? If yes no problems. If no file an antitrust action.

    Why do that instead of just using the browser? 🤔🤷🏻

      henrybowman in reply to mailman. | November 28, 2022 at 5:40 pm

      The browser integration for stuff like real-time notifications is way poorer.

        Otto Kringelein in reply to henrybowman. | November 28, 2022 at 7:09 pm

        The point being that people are panicking over a non-issue. If they must use Twitter they can do it without the app. Yeah, kinda sucks but the myth that you need an “App” for everything is just that. A myth. If it’s on the internet then your smartphone browser will be able to open the website just fine. Most major website, if not all, provide their website in a smartphone friendly format.

          CommoChief in reply to Otto Kringelein. | November 28, 2022 at 7:49 pm

          The issue in this case of the APP store is one of gatekeeper based upon ideology. Apple can do what it wants with it’s platform right up to the point they become monopolistic. IMO we’ve passed that point.

          If we hadn’t then Twitter itself would tell Apple to pound sand and relocate to a competing platform of APP downloads. There isn’t another competitor with anything close to the reach of Apple’s APP store.

          It’s time to reorient our anti trust actions back towards a market share perspective and reintroduce meaningful competition through blocking acquisitions and break ups where required.

    henrybowman in reply to thad_the_man. | November 28, 2022 at 5:39 pm

    I don’t believe iPhone jailbreaking has been possible (short of intense hacker level skill that doesn’t scale to use by Joe Sixpack) for almost a decade. And sideloading requires jailbreaking.

Musk is getting the very special Trump treatment

Time for the same billionaires and freedom loving people to join forces and finally give these real facists something they have nightmares about.

    BierceAmbrose in reply to gonzotx. | November 29, 2022 at 3:28 pm

    Get behind buying or even crowdfunding any of the open-integration, open-design devices n software. There’s a few phones-as-products out there already.

    Get behind declaring standards that are open. There’s a reason you can plug all your stereo gear into all your other gear; anything that uses power into any standard outlet. The “business through capture” crowd hates this. If they could “win” your business through better value, open integration wouldn’t be a problem. But that’s way harder than just locking you up — bribing the overlords for their help doing this.

    BierceAmbrose in reply to gonzotx. | November 29, 2022 at 3:35 pm

    Real nightmares…

    One South American country — Ecuador, maybe, but don’t depend on my recall — declared that needing proprietary SW to access the public’s govt records made no sense. They mandated *open* formats for all govt docs.

    Of course, if the point is locking in a rake-off the proles pay to your pals, this is the opposite of what you want. ?We’re mandating the ‘rona vaccine every year, now, right?

These morons are learning that Elon Musk is NOT Kanye West. Musk is highly intelligent, adaptable, has very good and very competent people working for him, and is NOT particularly reliant on other people to further his business interests, and is very good at quickly finding alternate routes of success.

They turned off Kanye’s Apple Pay and had Adidas kick him out and he literally can’t function. Try that with Musk and see how fast he goes scorched Earth.

We either have effectively a duopoly between Apple and Google in phones, or each has a monopoly, thanks the Network Effect. Either make the two companies vulnerable under §§ 1 and 2 of the Sherman Antitrust Act.

Seems like if this happened, Twitter could just disable the @apple and @google (or whatever) accounts, as well as pop up warnings to whoever created their Twitter accounts with iCloud or gmail email addresses that their accounts are subject to deletion or whatever. See how dirty Apple/Google want to get in their battle.

Well, Elon isn’t going to buy Apple to bring it to heel. I guess he’ll have to make do with an army of lawyers.

    Or his own comprehensive tech side industry that includes cloud, phone, app store, ebanking, etc. Maybe that alternative to leftist crap we’ve all been dreaming of is in the making? A girl can dream.

    diver64 in reply to irv. | November 29, 2022 at 5:14 pm

    IDK, his latest bank statement might not support that or never pick a fight with someone who has more money than anyone except the House of Saud

The Ronald Raegan sollution to this was to regulate the cable companies in order to preserve freedom of speech against oligarchy. The earliest point we could do that is 2024 if we win but in the meantime using twitter does help Elon Musk and the algorithm is changing.

It also would help him not to feed the people he and you frankly know to be evil. Japanese twitter erupted; and frankly the things Japanese people are using twitter for are both amusing and like many art forms often intelligent.

    Don’t worry, McConnell has promised his full loyalty in getting this straightened out for us. Rona Romney McDaniels has promised to use her awesome talent to get this straightened out. And Kevin McCarthy has promised to use his awesome courageousness to get this straightened out.

    In other words, dont’ count on the GOP to get this straightened out.

      Would you like to start at the top? Care to explain why when Tucker Carlson point blank warned Trump about this issue Trump instead of acting on it told Tucker they can’t do anything, never submitted any legislation on this issue, never acted on it but did have big tech oligarchs to the white house?

      Care to explain why he asked big tech to start covid censorship at the start of the pandemic?

      Now lets see DeSantis

      DeSantis didn’t get perfect legislation but he did get a significant bill attacked big tech censorship through the Florida State House and he did so by careful negotiation and hard work not by insulting the state house speaker.

      By the way I admire your brilliant strategy of trying to get people to vote Republican by informing them Republicans are worthless and implying its leadership isn’t an improvement over Democrats keep up the good work. Sarcasm off but you are better than that comment try to act like it.

    henrybowman in reply to Danny. | November 29, 2022 at 7:45 pm

    The Reagan-years cable solution is technically obsolete. In those days, you had to provide service over cables, meaning it was economically ridiculous to have competing companies lay multiple privately-owned cabled networks in every town, so a monopoly had to be granted to one. That infrastructure model is meaningless now (cf. “the” phone company).

      Big tech has monopoly power that dwarfs the cable companies and unlike the cable companies they are using it in a way that makes the 1st amendment a complete and utter joke.

      The Raegan solution is not obsolete. Your ability to compete in commerce and the public square is not to be dependent on a series of oligarchs.

      Stories like this demonstrate that the idea that big tech doesn’t need regulation to maintain a free country is at absolute best a terrible joke, and at worst what it actually is which is a sarcastic insult from the left who never tire of reminding us we are being ground to dust by corporations.

I know this is about Musk getting the Trump treatment but I found this article written by VDH, who of late has not been a Trump supporter, jumped on that DeSantis train he did, but he actually wrote a well thought out article about why President Trump has not been able to “let go” and people want him to “move on” aren’t really understanding WTF really happened and continues to happen to this imperfect warrior of ours, President Trump.

https://amgreatness.com/2022/11/27/was-trump-our-captain-queeg/

    healthguyfsu in reply to gonzotx. | November 29, 2022 at 1:02 am

    Think I found Rags in the comments (Sawdust…whatever)

    The article is wistful but doesn’t change the facts that Trump is done.

    He no longer has the political capital to win.

Years ago Cable TV companies were told they must carry local TV stations. The Government needs to do the same with apps from the Google and Apple stores.

    henrybowman in reply to kjon. | November 29, 2022 at 7:47 pm

    Again, this was to soften the harm of the requirement that cable companies HAD to be granted PROTECTED local monopolies by local governments, for technological reasons. The limitation no longer applies.

Musk should sue Apple for violations of the anti trust laws and fofr engaging in censorship -when Apple drops an app such as Twitter it can be argued that the same is an unconstitutional prior restraint on free speech

People have gotten creamed for decades by gatekeepers and platforms in IT. It’s a necessary part of business planning in the Micro$oft ecosystem, since forever. If you do well, you’ve done their market research for them. (Amazon’s shenanigans with this same approach via “Amazon Basics” is nothing new.) Be best positioned for them to buy once they’ve figured out that your thing is a thing. Then sell and walk away.

You knew app verification was control and collusion not safety as soon as it was app store access vs. a verified badge.

Bongino learned his lesson from Parlor and wont use Amazon servers again. When Elon puts out a Tesla phone I’m all in.
BTW: did you know welfare gets 50% off Amazon Prime?

but won’t tell us why

We know why, Apple wants editorial control over Twitter content.