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Washington YMCA Bans 80-year-old Woman After She Complains About Biological Male In Women’s Changing Room

Washington YMCA Bans 80-year-old Woman After She Complains About Biological Male In Women’s Changing Room

“It is ironic that women who discriminate when a situation threatens their safety or their children — a message from our ancestors — are now accused of discrimination as if they have made someone else a victim.”

A truly disturbing incident happened at a Washington state YMCA, and it highlights the injustice inherent in forcing the majority of people to bend to the morally-questionable whims of a minuscule few.

Julie Jaman, 80,was banned from Port Townsend’s Mountain View Pool after complaining about a biological male ogling young girls in the changing room. Jaman had been swimming at the pool for 35 years without incident, yet it was she who was banned and insulted by the employees and management.

KIRO NewsRadio reports (archive link):

After more than 35 years of swimming at Port Townsend’s Mountain View Pool, Julie Jaman, 80, says she is “distressed” after being banned from the facility for calling out a biological man she says was watching semi-naked young girls in the women’s locker room.

Jaman told Friday’s Dori Monson show listeners that the incident started July 26 after she “heard a man’s voice” while she was naked and showering in the women’s locker room at the facility, which is operated by the Olympic Peninsula YMCA and the City of Port Townsend.

“I saw a man in a woman’s bathing suit watching maybe four or five little girls pulling down their suits in order to use the toilet,” Jaman recalled. “I asked if he had a penis and he said it was none of my business. I told that man to ‘get out right now.’ ”

After alerting a pool staff member to the situation, Jaman said she was “stunned” when the staffer told her that she was “being discriminatory,” “was banned from the pool forever,” and that they were calling the police.

“She didn’t ask me what the problem was, if I was okay, nothing about me,” Jaman said. “It’s as if she was just waiting to pounce on me. It was just stunning.”

After exiting the shower and dressing, Jaman continued, another pool staff member confronted her in the foyer. “She told me that I was being discriminatory and not following the YMCA principles and values. I told her I respect all human beings and I’m not following any ideology.”

Before this, Jaman said, she had no other warnings from pool staff and “has a great relationship with swimmers in the pool.”

Jaman told Dori that she later spoke with Olympic Peninsula YMCA CEO Wendy Bart.

“I told her there were no signs posted to give women warning,” Jaman said. “She said there were Pride posters posted all over and she assumed that was adequate to inform women what to expect.” According to Jaman, Bart also said, “we take pride and everyone is welcome.’

“That’s fine with me, except that they do not provide alternatives for women who choose not to be undressing in front of men,” Jaman continued. “Our pool is a very old pool. We just have two shower rooms, dressing rooms, one for men, one for women.”

Plans for a gender-neutral or family changing room have not occurred, she added.

Since the late July incident, the dispute has spilled over into local blogs and at least one heated city council meeting, Jaman said. She told Dori’s listeners that she is hurt by city leaders calling her a “bigot” and is “very distressed” about being banned from her regular exercise. The issue gathered increased attention after Jaman spent two days picketing and gathering petition signatures, seeking pool facility improvements.

Her goal now: to move the YMCA and the city to provide a pool locker room space “for women and children who do not want to mix it up for their own dignity and well-being.”

The Daily Wire has more on Jaman’s statements to the city council:

Jaman told the city council, as can be seen here, “My experience after having my swim was hearing a man’s voice in the women’s dressing area and seeing a man in a woman’s swimsuit watching little girls pull down their bathing suits in order to use the toilets in the dressing room. I reacted by telling him to leave, and the consequence is that I have been banned from the pool.”

“There is no signage informing women the shower room is now all-gender and what that means, nor have parents been informed of what they can expect with these new policies,” she declared. “The Y has not provided any dressing shower room options for women who do not want to be exposed to men who identify as women. It is unconscionable that the YMCA would implement these new policies without clearly informing pool patrons and parents.”

She concluded, “The YMCA, the city, the police and sheriffs, the parents, the professionals who assist victims of voyeurism, peeping Toms, pedophilia and assault need to come together figure too out how to make the new policies work for all pool patrons, not just one group. How to keep children, who are less able to discriminate, safe. It is ironic that women who discriminate when a situation threatens their safety or their children — a message from our ancestors — are now accused of discrimination as if they have made someone else a victim.”

You can watch Jaman’s statement to the city council here. The room erupts in applause when she finishes speaking, much to the chagrin of the council leader who bangs his gavel and states that the citizens must “keep it orderly.” Apparently, clapping in approval of wrongthink is unacceptable “disorder.”

The Olympic Peninsula YMCA responded to the disturbing treatment of Jaman in both a public post and via an email sent to members.  LI received the email from a concerned citizen who has asked not to be identified.

The statements are similar, and the clear message is that the organization is happy to ostracize and insult anyone who does not embrace forcing women and girls to be in situations where they are undressed or undressing to do so in front of biological men.

Olympic Peninsula YMCA cites state law but underscores their own stance by referring to people who don’t want themselves or their children in these situations as the perpetrators of “discrimination, hatred, derogatory or unwelcome comments, intimidation.” Treating people who object to this outrage with “discrimination, hatred, derogatory or unwelcome comments, intimidation,” however, is just fine.

From the Olympic Peninsula YMCA’s official statement (archive link):

The Olympic Peninsula YMCA is an organization that welcomes all people. At the Y, we strive to create communities that are inclusive and socially just so that all people can thrive. We will not tolerate bias, hatred, or discrimination that leads to the oppression of individuals or communities. We will ensure sustained and meaningful progress toward equity and human dignity for all.

On Monday, August 1, a small group of community members expressed their concerns regarding the Mountain View Pool changing rooms specifically related to a transgender person. There was a small gathering of people outside Mountain View Commons discussing this issue.

. . . . The law states, “entities shall allow individuals the use of gender-segregated facilities, such as restrooms, locker rooms, dressing rooms, and homeless or emergency shelters, that are consistent with that individual’s gender expression or gender identity.”The Y will uphold and respect this law in regards to YMCA staff, members, and program participants that use Mountain View Pool. At the Y, our goal is to provide an atmosphere free from discrimination, hatred, derogatory or unwelcome comments, intimidation, or actions based on an individual’s sex, age, race, ethnicity, religion, disability, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression or any other legally protected status.

The official email obtained by LI:

Dear [______],

I’m reaching out today as you may have read news stories around an incident at the Mountain View Pool, which we manage, as part of our YMCA of Jefferson County branch. This has caused many members to ask questions surrounding our policies and our Code of Conduct and I’d like to use this opportunity to clarify these.

Our Code of Conduct policy states: “At the Y, we strive to provide an atmosphere free from: discrimination, hatred, derogatory or unwelcome comments, intimidation, conduct or actions of sexual nature, or actions based on an individual’s sex, age, race, ethnicity, religion, disability, sexual orientation, or any other legal protected status.” Anyone violating this Code of Conduct may have their membership revoked.

The safety and well-being of children in our care always has been and always will be a top priority. We are committed to providing a safe environment for every person in our programs, most importantly children who are entrusted to our care. We have a series of measures in place to keep kids safe including background checks for staff; training for child abuse prevention, recognition and response; and ensuring that staff are not alone with a child at any point in time.

As a community-based nonprofit organization, we are committed to reflecting the diverse communities we serve, and to providing a safe, inclusive environment for all. Since 2016, when WAC 162-32-060 went into effect, we have operated in accordance with the law which gives people the right to access the locker rooms, changing rooms, and bathrooms that align with their gender identity.

I want to thank you for your support as these policies keep all Y members safe, and so that we can be an organization that is welcoming and inclusive for all.

Please contact me should you have any questions or concerns.

This is typical leftist ‘thinking’: discrimination against the vast majority of people in the name of keeping a tiny minority “safe” from “unwelcome comments” justifies treating normal people as near-criminals for reasonably objecting to sharing spaces in which they are undressed and are subject to feeling shame, discomfort, and/or vulnerable in the presence of members of the opposite sex. And no, waking up one morning and declaring you feel like a woman does not make you one, and forcing our entire society to accept that premise is dangerous and delusional.

The real abuse here was toward Jaman who was falsely accused of being a bigot and a hater, then threatened with calls to law enforcement and banned for life from the pool she had enjoyed for 35 years. This is not justice, this is not rational. It’s the exact opposite of both.

If the Olympic Peninsula YMCA wants to have safe spaces for biological men to use or apparently just to hang out in changing rooms and showers with women and little girls, they are welcome to it. This is not a school or other venue at which women and girls are compelled to attend. No woman or mom with little girls who feels unsafe or otherwise uncomfortable should return there until this egregious affront is corrected and accommodations are made to keep women and little girls safe from situations that are morally objectionable and just plain skeevy.

Note, too, that it is unlikely this is the only such incident; it’s just one that has become public. How many women is this happening to across the country? Their stories need to be heard, as well, so if you know of or have been the victim of this kind of documented ideological and moral tyranny, please reach out to us and let us know. The more light we can shine on this, the better.


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It seems the Young Men’s Christian Association has drifted a bit from their roots.

    The Gentle Grizzly in reply to Gosport. | August 6, 2022 at 8:53 pm

    It used to be for men and boys, and the women and girls had the YWCA.

    I don’t know when they merged or what happened but do know this much: It used to be men and boys had a place to socialize, swim, or work out. Since the merger, many of the chapters are full of screaming kids running around getting underfoot because they have – among other things – a daycare center. The gym areas are full of women who take offense at virtually anything, or stand in front of devices and gossip rather than actually DO anything.

    I would welcome a good old fashioned men’s gym. Something of I bygone era I guess.

      That’s a real special comment therefore

        The Gentle Grizzly in reply to gonzotx. | August 6, 2022 at 10:08 pm

        Therefore…. what? Not being snide; I wonder what your thoughts are. I’d like to read them.

        Thank you.

          :The gym areas are full of women who take offense at virtually anything:”

          Are you a biologist?

          I must be. Maybe as a gay man you can appreciate this. When I date women, I always end up with a birthing person of the uterus.

          I don’t always start out frisking them but eventually it happens.

          I was in the Navy before women were allowed in combat. Which didn’t mean that women weren’t serving in ships; just not as a regular duty.

          Always I knew when a woman was in the ship. I’d leave my workspace and go out into the passageway and with my first breath I could smell her. “There’s a woman on this aircraft carrier.”

          Then I’d follow my nose through the matrix of passageways and I’d find her.

          I don’t know what makes me more weird. That I could track a woman’s pheromones through a thousand foot freaking industrial accident that is an aircraft carrier, or that no matter of national security would stop me.

      I have yet to see a trans whatever woman in the men’s locker room. Why is that?

        That’s enough of your common sense. We’ll have none of that!

        The Gentle Grizzly in reply to Dimsdale. | August 7, 2022 at 9:24 am

        For the same reason I’ve never had a “conversation about my privilege” with a Starbucks barista. People latch onto a meme and fabricate stories. .

          That’s true with many things. I’ve only had a mild and amusing incident with a “karen” and if it weren’t for reading about many of these things, I would never know they was happening. I know plenty of people who say things but if they act on it, I don’t know about it. Makes me wonder sometimes if we aren’t being buried in an avalanche of tempests in teapots. These things just seem to happen everyone else but me.

      Boys being boys is now a mental defect treated by pills to rid society of toxic masculinity making it safer for men and women to merge. But now women are also being cancelled. Is there any politically acceptable way to state the obvious? What is the point of all of this?

      I attended coed Catholic parochial schools until the 8th grade at which point boys needed to be separated from the girls. I then attended an all-boys Catholic high school where the absence of girls made the “hearts grow fonder” so to speak. Nothing abnormal about what boys go through before (can’t sit still), during (penis control) and after (maturity) puberty.

      It’s difficult but it’s normal. Treating this as a disease to managed by drugs and social re-engineering has been a major mistake. Let boys be boys and girls be girls and things work out just fine. If people don’t like how oxygen and hydrogen are almost inseparable, the laws of science can’t be changed. Neither can the laws of biology. Men are men and women are women. It’s a good thing, not bad.

    Martin in reply to Gosport. | August 6, 2022 at 9:11 pm

    It’s fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A.
    They have everything for young men to enjoy
    You can hang out with all the boys

    REDACTED in reply to Gosport. | August 7, 2022 at 8:40 am

    nope, the Y has always attracted a bucnh of pervs, I would work out at the Dallas Y and then shower

    more than once did I catch some guy staring at my sausage in the shower

    makes you want to puke

“Since 2016, when WAC 162-32-060 went into effect, we have operated in accordance with the law which gives people the right to access the locker rooms, changing rooms, and bathrooms that align with their gender identity.”

Hiding behind a law, eh? Where have we seen that before?

In a statement to Los Angeles about this weekend’s incident, Wi Spa points to California Civil Code 51 (b), which makes discriminating against trans and other gender non-conforming people in business establishments illegal in the state. “Like many other metropolitan areas, Los Angeles contains a transgender population, some of whom enjoy visiting a spa,” the statement goes on. “Wi Spa strives to meet the needs of all its customers.”

It gets worse. The male in question, watching young girls and women undress and shower, is evidently an undergraduate at Western Washington University where he is majoring in…wait for it…Elementary Education and Teaching. In 3-4 years he will be placed alone in a classroom of 20-30 children to do with as he wishes. Is it any wonder parents are beside themselves over what is going on in public schools?

Catering to mental illness. Jesus is coming, and boy is he pissed.

I came across an interesting article on a related topic, that may help explain why some “trans” people are especially aggressive, while others simply seem to be tormented, harmless souls.

It may be that a substantial set of “trans” people are really psychopaths taking advantage of the current situation, whatever it may be.

Nutters in Charge — Post Redux: “A Hidden Fact of Psychopaths: They Have No Gender”
June 24, 2022 by pathwhisperer

    Olinser in reply to Valerie. | August 7, 2022 at 12:58 am

    Shocking absolutely nobody. EXACTLY THIS was predicted by just about everybody with a brain.

    Because people pushing the trans insanity ABSOLUTELY REFUSE any actual objective standard of who is trans, it lets the absolute worst perverts and criminals to simply declare they are trans and get the full support of the insane left.

      Dimsdale in reply to Olinser. | August 7, 2022 at 6:35 am

      Everybody with a whit of that magical common sense that the left parades around saw it coming.

      The more they left mocks, the more likely it is that they will, or already are, doing it.

go woke – go broke

Keep up the “disorder” and “unwelcome comments”. Sunlight cleans up this filth.

We were in Port Townsend a few weeks back visited Ft Warden. There’s A LOT of mask wearing going on. I mean it’s mental illness to an extreme. These are the people who wear a mask while driving in a car by themselves- we saw a lot of that. This is also one of the counties that made people show proof of vax to eat in restaurants. It’s not a populated area, but tons of mental illness of the leftist variety. Over the years, they’ve made lots of crazy proclamations of hatred for anything that is contrary to how they think.

The 80 year old lady in question… while it’s dangerous to ascribe values to a stranger- I don’t wonder what side of the argument she was on when they ran the last bat shit crazy thing through or who has sat silently by all these years while lunatics ran the asylum.

I’m writing this from a hotel room in Knoxville. We put an offer down on land and I walked the cow pasture today to check out the views of our future building site in NE TN. We are so done with Washington.

The view of the smokies was awesome, but the best view was of the bumpers which were delightfully free of everyone’s GD politics… the signs in the yards were bible verses… not “we believe in science” Though in fairness the lefties in Wa stopped believing in science at some point because they’ve since removed those signs and well also because a boy can become a girl by declaring it.

Dori Monson was fired from announcing for the Seahawks games BTW over saying that last sentence is anti-science.

    RandomCrank in reply to Andy. | August 7, 2022 at 7:01 pm

    You have no idea what that woman’s views have been. You simply made it up out of whole cloth. You are no better than the freaks who kicked her out.

I could throw up.

Pt has been whack for years – fancying itself as a progressive artist community. I’m so sorry that happened to the old gal. It’s gut wrenching to see the place you call home become a progressive $h!thole.

Sequim is about 30 miles west of it, and our community pool went through a shut down due to funding and was turned over to the YMCA. It’s very popular with the largely retired crowd here. I don’t like swimming so our exercise is walking and biking. Just yesterday at the public park on the Olympic Discovery Trail, I had a run in with one of the “Love Train” leftists. There’s a dog park, but the woman was using the walking trail and wasn’t moving over for bikes. Typically pedestrians move to the right of the paved trail and bikes pass on the left. The woman saw me approaching on my adult trike (Raleigh Tristar) and set up in the middle of the path and reeled out 4′ of leash for her doggie to go on the grass. I was already moving left to pass by when she did that and had to swerve hard right onto the grass where my mirror brushed her jacket. There was no other contact. I looked back at her, where she still stood unmoved and said “I’m sorry” and kept going. I nearly toppled over avoiding her as it was.

The woman began hurling insults – calling me a ‘Cristo fascist’, and other insulting names, mostly insults about being Chritian and Satan loves me, etc. Bear in mind, I didn’t say a word other than “I’m sorry”. She walked after me for about 20 yards – being verbally abusive and I’m sorry to say – I lost my cool when she insulted my appearance and said “lady, your dog is better looking than you are”.

Her problem was obvious to anyone who knows the scriptures at all. What was coming out of her mouth was just too familiar for someone who has never met me before and knows nothing about me. I’ve encountered such before a few times and responded in a more spiritual and authoritative way to put an abrupt end to the hostility. Sad to say I failed this time.

Since this time last summer when they had vax restrictions for restaurants despite natural immunity – Jefferson and Clallam county being the only one in WA state to adopt that locally – with holdouts in Jefferson county long after the order was lifted by the health commish – and hold out mask nazis – I’ve had a growing feeling of being a short-timer here.

When we returned from our other home in IL last April, I’ve felt a leading to get this home in order – repairing everything that needs repaired – getting the landscaping up to snuff – and getting rid of as much excess / unused stuff as possible. We’ve made good progress and I’m praying with my wife about what it means – but I’m starting to get an inkling that we’ll be selling this place next spring. Now I want to live f/t in IL like a hole in the head, but there it’s a deep red county in the middle of the state – and the folks there are not putting up with the crap that’s being peddled in my Oly Pen home.

We’ve really fallen from the days of Dan Evans, a strong Boeing defense company, etc. My old home town – Auburn – (originally Slaughter) – is unrecognizable. That is what I do love about the rural Midwest – in a way it’s like going back in time to my old home town – albeit in ‘Cornville’.

Thanks for this article, Fuzzy. It breaks my heart. But it’s just more “writing on the wall” for me. There’s strange $h!t afoot here. Some may think it’s just leftist / progressive indoctrination and madness – but from what I’ve seen, it’s more to do with malevolent spiritual forces. I will “occupy until He comes” if He asks it of me – but I sure tire of what the bastards are doing to my home – to this beautiful area God has created.

    SField in reply to MrE. | August 7, 2022 at 7:04 am

    The few leftists we have around my town all steer clear of me. I have a not undeserved reputation for not suffering fools lightly, Add to that an imposing physical stature, and it’s the perfect leftist repellant. It’s for the best I suppose.

    It’s sad really. I’d much rather engage these people in a civil, rational conversation. I mean, there has to be at least one thing have in common, right? Nope. Leftists today are sad, scared, broken people who are incapable of even a sincere smile followed up by a “good morning”, let alone a thoughtful conversation.

    I’d feel pity for them if they weren’t such insufferable assholes.

      SField in reply to SField. | August 7, 2022 at 7:09 am

      That’s supposed to be “one thing WE have in common”.

      Well, I have imposing physical stature going for me. But for my wiring – not given to live debate esp. the combative sort as much as I am in print. Live and direct like that I’m mostly just quiet and let people make fools of themselves. The woman’s last words were “Hail Satan”. When we got out of earshot – wife said “what was that about” and she thought we knew each other with the familiar things the woman was saying. No – we did not know each other. I’d never seen her before. Told my wife simply “what an unpleasant woman” and kept riding. We’ll go somewhere less crowded next time. People with dogs out on a walk are a big thing here – Homedepot is a madhouse with them. I think people use them to create a buffer zone around themselves – and they love/value their doggies more than people. For some, it’s an indicator of mental health problems. As if their dog exists to protect them in public, establish a larger personal / comfort zone, and be a point of focus for them instead of the world at large.

    CommoChief in reply to MrE. | August 7, 2022 at 8:42 am

    You would do better to find a location in a State where traditional societal values and norms are the rule not the exception. Fleeing one, formerly sane, County in a blue State to end up in the same situation somewhere else doesn’t strike me as prudent. The new location may be less traveled down the path to ruin but the conditions for that eventual ruin remain. IOW, you are only delaying the inevitable repetition of the very circumstances and conditions you are now consider intolerable.

      Like Andy is doing, I spent last winter contemplating where to move and was really intrigued by NE TN – loving what I was seeing in the Johnson City area. Trees and hills similar to where I grew up in the south Puget Sound and now on the north face of the Olympic peninsula. What put me off of it is – bugs – particularly black fly season. Not that I spend a lot of time outside at my age – but – I’m a bug magnet. So sadly, the area is not for me. The central IL home has the advantage of big family, even if I can only take so much of them. And we can be there to help care for mom. Our current thinking is to close up and sell the WA place, take the best of our stuff to the IL home, and from there travel / stay wherever we want through RCI or the like.

      The wife and I were talking about what makes the place more intolerable which has to do with looking at this place like it’s our everything. A seaside home with a view – there’s a kind of mentality that sees us comparing every place we might travel to with this place and we overrule every desire to travel. Yet go to town 5 miles away and run into nutjobs, druggies, homeless, so our little slice of heaven is just the property and the world is starting to encroach. There’s none of that in Cornville and with so much family around, we’re safe to do more of what we want. It’s an ongoing thought process and will probably change again about the time I really consider the holidays with the family – 2 dozen people in one house. I need to locate a quiet bar in town.

        CommoChief in reply to MrE. | August 7, 2022 at 7:04 pm

        I get being around family and as I recall you mentioned that you were originally from Illinois but given another decade what will your location in Illinois look like? Will those family members still be there?

        IMO, you would be better off establishing a potential refuge in the South. A nice farmhouse on a hobby farm acreage or more if that’s your thing. Screen the porch. Install some ceiling fans Sip iced tea in the shade if heat is too much. AC fixes humidity so stay indoors noon to three if humidity is an unfamiliar burden. A well, a stocked pond and a garden among like minded folks may turn out to be the most important asset you have or pass along.

          WA born and raised. Moved to IL for 15 years in ’99 after getting married again. Moved back to WA when she retired from education to care for my Dad. We’ve gone back and forth a few times – finally decided to be a 2 state 2 home couple. It’s the fam in WA that’s all left – one daughter remains. Family in IL – nearly 20 of them – will always be there. The IL home gives us a landing place when the WA home sells. From there we can explore. I liked the Huntsville, AL area when Boeing sent me there for awhile. Made the run to Nashville a few times and that too seemed promising. I like the sound of a well stocked pond. And a garden. With okra. 😉

    Andy in reply to MrE. | August 7, 2022 at 9:41 am

    Lewis County is sort of safe if you want to stay in Wa.

    Your still screwed for staying.

    Personally if we didn’t have a grade schooler we’d wait a few years for the real estate market to cool off.

    One thing that jumped out at me is these places have been hit by the cartel drug traffic too. Sadly the card board carrying meth zombies are there too. It’s going badly for some of the hill billy children that are inheriting land and don’t know how to handle money (or are addicted).

      Nice area. Used to take drives out toward Rainbow falls and Napavine area, fished Silver lake to the south. Flooding put me off of it – I remember the first time I heard I-5 was under water there. If I could have ever made a living there, I’d have loved the NE – Republic, Kettle Falls and Metaline Falls, or Winthrop and Twisp. No Boeing offices there unfortunately.

    RandomCrank in reply to MrE. | August 7, 2022 at 7:04 pm

    When we decided to leave Seattle, we looked at a number of places to go, one being Sequim because of the rain shadow. We decided against it for reasons having nothing to do with politics. I’m glad we didn’t move there.

      It’s a mixed bag for sure. Growing fast. Big box stores killed a lot of mom and pop businesses – putting the 101 bypass around the town increased traffic. One of the biggest disappointments is medical – can’t get into a specialist in under 3 months. Last surgery scheduled in Seattle was 3 months of waiting only to be cancelled for another Covid shutdown. So we rebooked the surgery in Tampa. Where we’re at in central IL med services are great – at Champaign-Urbana or in Bloomington. Same day appointments for MD locally and specialists in 7-10 days. That’s becoming more important with age.

        RandomCrank in reply to MrE. | August 8, 2022 at 4:24 pm

        Lots of meth in that neck of the woods. Some where we wound up, but Port Angeles is kinda notorious. And it’s really far from anywhere else. That was the deciding factor for us. It’s as far northwest as it gets in the continental U.S., making vehicle travel outside of the area very laborious.

        We like it remote, but the specifics of the geograhy was the deciding negative factor. Port Townsend was physically attractive but full of weidos. Still, it was that far-NW aspect that was the top factor, and against moving there.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair | August 7, 2022 at 12:01 am

Washington YMCA Bans 80-year-old Woman After She Complains About Biological Male In Women’s Changing Room

Not “Biological Male”. “MALE”. Period. That’s what he is.

Gosh, ban someone you don’t like.
What a concept!
Think of the good things that come from eliminating certain words in our lexicon. You can silence critics and shape public sentiment.
Or, you can shadow ban folks.
You made my point for me, and rather eloquently.
Who bought Legal Insurrection?

I started reading “1984” (which I had never actually read). It reads like nonfiction at this point.

War Is Peace.
Freedom is Slavery.
Ignorance is Strength.

Add to it:
Girls are boys. Boys are girls.
There are at least three genders.
Spending $5 trillion will bring inflation down.
The border is secure.
Two weeks to stop the spread.
I don’t talk to my son about his business.

And on and on.

    Dimsdale in reply to Stuytown. | August 7, 2022 at 6:47 am

    At least three genders? We must be up to 153 by now.

    Something as biologically obvious as male and female has been ba$tardized into “shades of gray” to accommodate a very small population of Americans. I have friends who are gay and lesbian and are appalled at the circus that has formed out of people just trying to go about their lives. I have recently been teaching in high school, and it was becoming impossible to function with all the gender fluid newspeak etc.

    Pronouns and transgenders in the ladies rooms? They can just stuff it. Time for the pendulum to swing back.

    SField in reply to Stuytown. | August 7, 2022 at 7:19 am

    The unabridged audiobook version voiced by Simon Prebble is excellent also. It can be interesting to hear the book you recently finished reading read again in the voice of a good storyteller.

I remember when young boys were not allowed to wear swim suits during swimming lessons at the YMCA.

Unless this 80-year-old woman is a biologist, she should shut her piehole and get with the program.

I am a little confused here. How is the OBVIOUS risk of assault/rape, with millions in compensatory damages and possibly tens of millions in punitive damages not in play with this kind of policy?

    The Gentle Grizzly in reply to jb4. | August 7, 2022 at 12:23 pm

    The Y’s hands are tied by law.

      RandomCrank in reply to The Gentle Grizzly. | August 7, 2022 at 8:02 pm

      WA State law says the facility had to post a notice that all “genders” are allowed in all locker rooms. The Port Townsend YMCA broke the law.

    Subotai Bahadur in reply to jb4. | August 7, 2022 at 3:40 pm

    I rather expect that in Washington State that Trannies have legal immunity from rape and assault charges.

    Subotai Bahadur

The Y needs to invest in toilet stall doors. I don’t want to pee in front of a dude or a woman, thanks.

The burden of social progress. You’re in the way, feminists, women, too.

Time to start giving the creatures the old Islamic heave-ho!

This is curious; rule 1 at the YMCA in PT is:

1. Uphold the YMCA core values of caring, respect, honesty, and responsibility.

Is it honest of the trans person to misrepresent their sex? Is it respectful and caring of others for a trans person to use a dressing/locker room when others don’t feel comfortable or safe? Pursuant to caring, respect and honesty, is it responsible to continue using the dressing room when others have expressed concerns?

Apparently rule 1 doesn’t apply to the trans person. Practically, that the trans person isn’t being honest about their sex assigned at birth, caring respectful for the feelings of others, or responsible to address others concerns, forces everyone else to be dishonest – or at least silent in the face of such dishonesty / hypocrisy.

I looked up the pool and the Y, and lo and behold, no contact info. Gee, they thought they’d be clever. Nothing gets past the Wayback Machine, LOL