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Trump Campaign: Sidney Powell “is not a member of the Trump Legal Team”

Trump Campaign: Sidney Powell “is not a member of the Trump Legal Team”

“She is practicing law on her own.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anduXwcSIrc

Lawyer Sidney Powell advanced what I characterized as a “a unified theory of election software and hardware fraud that spans numerous countries, possibly “three-letter agencies,” and an election night execution of a preexisting plan across several jurisdictions.”

The claim centered on alleged manipulation of Dominion voting machines to flip millions of votes from Trump to Biden. The obvious problem with such an assertion is that it required proof of involvement by many independent actors in many different locations acting in concert. Powell’s assertion was a grand conspiracy, in contrast to Rudy Guiliani’s claim to have affidavits and witnesses to specific acts of voter fraud (the problem with Rudy’s claims is that the remedy of disqualifying hundreds of thousands of votes because some of them might be fraudulent was not a remedy any court was likely to grant).

(added) Byron York points out how broad Powell’s accusations have become, asserting that some Republicans were in on the scheme.

I noted that the burden was on Powell to come forward with the proof:

But something being possible is not the same thing as proof that it did happen. Powell says she has proof it happened, but she offered no details today. It would shake our system to the core if such evidence exists and is provable, but I don’t think people should get their hopes up. Prove me wrong, please, I’m practically begging her to do so, but in the end, she is going to need proof, not conjecture.

It’s curious that earlier tonight the Trump campaign issued a statement distancing itself from Powell. Jenna Ellis, the campaign’s attorney, tweeted the statement:

“Sidney Powell is practicing law on her own. She is not a member of the Trump legal team. She is also not a lawyer for the President in his personal capacity.”

Since Powell appeared at a press conference with Ellis and Rudy just days ago, it’s hard to see how she was not viewed as part of the legal team. So the campaign statement likely reflects that whatever it was the campaign thought Powell had, she doesn’t.

You can only imagine the joy at this development among the same people who for four years told us Trump paid hookers to pee on a bed in Moscow because Obama slept in it, who was a Russian agent being run personally by Putin, and who was worse than Hitler. In addition to those miscreants, there are many Republicans running for the hills.

Lin Wood is standing by Powell:

https://twitter.com/LLinWood/status/1330657858464206857

I don’t know whether Powell has the proof. It’s possible, as some people speculate, that she’s holding everything close to the vest for court. But if that’s not the case, and she doesn’t have the proof, then she has done great damage to the legitimate concerns about voter fraud and weakening of voter security.

We will update if there are further developments tonight.

UPDATES

Powell issues a statement via Michael Flynn:

https://twitter.com/GenFlynn/status/1330671677211029506

Powell has issued a statement standing by her claims and promising to file suit soon.

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She has been so out there for the past week, promising everything will be released any day or next week or two seeks and then nothing happens

I don’t trust her.

Is she getting paid? Or is she doing this on her own dime?

During her appearances she mentions, time and again, people helping her assembling all the documents. Are all the helpers volunteers? Getting ready to file a lawsuit (and Sidney is talking about several lawsuits) is an enormous challenge. And a paperwork nightmare. It’s easy to get confused with all the goings-on unless there’s a clear plan and a clear leader.

Even if everyone is a volunteer, there are oodles of out-of-pocket costs, from computers, copiers, rental space, pizza and snacks, and lots more.

    MattMusson in reply to fscarn. | November 22, 2020 at 9:01 pm

    Going Ronin gives Powell the latitude to go for the jugular even if it involves revealing the complicity of GOP Operatives.

    Milhouse in reply to fscarn. | November 22, 2020 at 9:38 pm

    If she doesn’t represent Trump then how can she file any lawsuits? Who else has standing? Ordinary voters certainly don’t.

      Terence G. Gain in reply to Milhouse. | November 23, 2020 at 12:01 am

      That is my opinion too, however it seems that she is still going ahead with a lawsuit this week. Christian treehouse presents this announcement as a financial decision which has been made so that she can get paid. She is also going to go after any Republican politicians who may have been involved in the steal. The allegations that the governor and SOS of Georgia sold their souls to the Chinese are also repeated.

      I’m not sure what to believe at this point. That is a rare condition for me.

      CorkyAgain in reply to Milhouse. | November 23, 2020 at 1:48 am

      Pence?

      MattMusson in reply to Milhouse. | November 23, 2020 at 8:10 am

      If a Judge actually rules that American Voters have no standing in an American Election, he should be tarred and feathered. But, you are probably right.

        Milhouse in reply to MattMusson. | November 23, 2020 at 2:27 pm

        On the contrary, that is the law of the land, so any judge who would rule otherwise would be breaking his oath. The courts have been very clear about this. Voters do not have standing to challenge election results.

      She could file an amicus on any case pending or draft briefs on behalf of others. Just because she’s “not part of Trump’s legal team” doesn’t necessarily mean what she’s discovered will be thrown in the trash

    GaryGimp in reply to fscarn. | November 23, 2020 at 6:18 pm

    Who’s paying all her expenses?
    Who are her investigators?
    How does she benefit?

What with the history of Trump’s close advisory team always being compromised by enemies within, maybe Powell is keeping the biggest evidence and her plans to herself. Everyone is suspect. I don’t see what she is saying as being all that different from what Lin Wood is saying and I really doubt that BOTH of them are blowing smoke.

Sidney Powell’s performed big time for General Flynn. She’s not gonna pour her reputation down the drain for things she can’t back up.

This is all very strange, and like Dinesh D’Souza, I don’t know what to make of it.
I am praying for this country.

    Prayer seems to be the only thing we can do, Ex.

    My wife and I had a long faith-based conversation this morning, because I have little experience in praying in situations where the enemy is within and in positions of authority.

    We’re told the battle is not against flesh and blood, rather against evil spiritual forces. And I’m more of the belief lately that when we battle arm in arm – toe to toe with the enemy, and within his arena, we’ve already lost because we’ve resorted to fleshly means. An example being Jehoshaphat who when surrounded by invading armies, sought God and receiving His direction, called upon the people to fast and pray. Fasting is denying the natural reaction of our bodies to food and hunger – fasting is a kind of exercise in weakness. And prayer – well it’s a spiritual exercise – God is spirit after all. So fasting and prayer puts the flesh (body) in weak humble state and focuses our spirit on God in prayer. It’s quite the opposite of hand to hand combat.

    It’s amazing the result God gave to Jehoshaphat. The people fasted, prayed and sang the praises of God, who slaughtered the enemies gathered against them. It’s said that God set up an ambush against them and they wound up turning on each other and slaughtering themselves. Jehoshaphat and the people spent days hauling away all the riches and jewels left behind by the enemy army. With that in mind, that’s the understanding / approach from which my wife and I are praying now. Surely we’re in a similar place in this election – in our country – and if the “Great Reset” people get a chance to take control, for the world. We are also cleaving to Galatians 5:1 which says we are FREE and we are to STAND FIRM. Not fight, but to STAND. I will not accept the yoke of their slavery and I am standing while awaiting help from on high. See Psalm 124 for some comfort and reassurance.

    I will share this since I’ve already shown myself crazy. Some will find it hard to believe, but I occasionally dream and see those dreams come to pass. Most are usually only for me as direction, confirmation, comfort. This one was different.

    I saw Biden standing at a basin filled with water, where he washed his hands in such a way that I thought to myself “just like Pontius Pilate”. Mumbling to himself which I took to be a denial of the fraud, he turned to his left and walked to the top of a stairwell where he tripped from the waist as if falling over an invisible log and fell head-long down the stairs and out of sight. Still dreaming I pronounced “You are dead. You will never be president.” And the dream ended.

    I will be praying to that end.

I’ve heard that this is a funding issue and also the this is an issue w leveling accusations against the 3 letter alphabet agencies. What I hope is, this is not a parting of ways because the good guys did not get the servers. If so, we are done.

It breaks my heart. Rudy is scattered and emotional. Ellis is so young. I trust Ms Powell. It could be the threats she is getting.

This book has all you need to know:

https://www.amazon.com/Chinese-Dummies-Wendy-Abraham/dp/1119475449

And if you are lucky, Amazon will embed an ad for Barack Obama’s new memoir. Listen to the highly anticipated memoir, “A Promised Land”. I think I just vomited in my mouth.

I think it’s more related to a conflict of interest with Flynn. I think it was necessary to state that, legally.

    alaskabob in reply to cktheman. | November 22, 2020 at 8:00 pm

    Keeping it “independent” makes found information more important yet if fails… plausible deniability. However, there is no second place award for failure. So many politicians see this as just another election because they are creatures of convention. Trump won by breaking the mold… the Dems are on the threshold of winning by breaking the law. For an election for all the marbles, so many GOP think it’s best 2 out of 3…. it ain’t.

I keep thinking about how Powell and Wood are independent outsiders playing long ball while Giuliani is former DOJ insider playing small ball. Lin Wood is standing by Powell. I’m feeling around for the “ring of truth”.

Grrr8 American | November 22, 2020 at 7:49 pm

Acknowledging that this might well be wishful thinking on my part, I’d like to believe that this is a tactical move on the part of Team Trump to get her out of the media spotlight, and while the harpies in the press focus on Giuliani. Then she’ll swoop in with action on Dominion. Or perhaps thinking that bifurcating the legal cases would help lesson judges’ inclination to get weak-kneed in the face of this coup. And a coup it is!

If not, this is not a good development. I hope, e.g., that egos aren’t causing the counsel to lose sight of the overarching mission.

That mission is to save our Republic. If the coup succeeds, the Dems will steal the 2022 midterms and we’ll be a one party country.

A one party country, now banana republic, under increasingly totalitarian rule and, before long, under “The Great Reset.” That corporatist global fascism model (err, I mean “sustainability model”) that the elite intends to impose as a high-tech feudalism for … our own good. Or so they’ll tell us. Like their video that by 2030 we will own nothing, and be happy.

Peace, Land and Bread.
Workers’ Paradise.
Sustainability.

Sidney Powell is General Flynn’s lawyer. She literally wrote the book on corruption in the DOJ. She has a storied history. Is not prone to hyperbole, false flags, or sensationalism. Do the research and verify that for yourself.

I’m not sure what all the hubbub is about. Sidney stated she doesn’t work for the Trump campaign several times including at Rudy’s presser.

This sounds like a distraction not distancing. No idea why, but out of all the characters involved in this, I trust her more than anyone else and that includes Trump.

Terence G. Gain | November 22, 2020 at 7:52 pm

I have a question for any lawyers who may be visiting this site. Does Sidney Powell have status if she is not representing President Trump? If he is not her client then who is her client?

    Grrr8 American in reply to Terence G. Gain. | November 22, 2020 at 8:06 pm

    Hard to say without knowing specifically what evidence she has. That said, as an attorney she can represent those who have standing — perhaps those whose rights have been violated and sue under civil rights / voting rights laws. Perhaps also under whistleblower statutes (e.g., former Dominion employees). As well, I believe that some states’ (and perhaps the federal) RICO statutes provide for private rights of action (but I’m not sure).

    I better call her and sign up as a Client.

Powell will deliver and all the doomers, RINOs, neverTrumpers and TDS infected can cry their salty tears together in the Ninth Circle once all the evil is exposed. Oh ye of little faith! MAGA

“We are fighting different legal battles for the same clients – We The People.”

Us the people, objective case, object of “for.”

    Colonel Travis in reply to rhhardin. | November 23, 2020 at 4:04 am

    Everyone knows where “we the people” comes from, it is used this way on purpose. There is no need for a pig-headed adherence to grammar.

    Sometimes it’s ok to break the rules. That’s how you make language vibrant. I bet you don’t wear a three piece suit every day. Neither does English.

Interesting. As I have stated all along, I will wait and see. Predictions without facts are difficult and sometimes foolish.

Let this play out.

Deep state is selling her down the river.

Ms. Powell is an advocate, so her arguments should be taken in that light.

I’m inclined to think that her suggestions are true but would be difficult to prove.

The other potential reason is they may want to pursue 2 or 3 fronts legally independent to prevent the possibility of a joinder being called…

In order to defend General Flynn, Sidney Powell learned a lot about many different subjects, including dominion/smartmatic etc. She likely picked up a lot of information over the years and very familiar with the inner workings of the swamp. Her announcements are to prime the public. Information that would otherwise be unbelievable and devastating to many everyday Americans can’t be dropped unexpectedly. PDJT won the election and can prove it in court using “conventional” means: lack of signature matching, post dated mail in ballots, late ail in ballots, observers limited or kicked out entirely etc. But there is a reckoning which needs to happen. The corrupt systems, agencies and individuals need to be exposed and face due process. Election fraud is/was simply a tool to keep their corruption going (clinton foundation, U1, ccp money, Ukraine, Halliburton and on it goes). Exposing the election fraud pulls the curtain back and exposes the man pretending to be a wizard. Sidney is giving us a heads up that the curtain will be pulled back soon, and what we’ll see behind it will be beyond belief. Having some daylight between her and the official Trump campaign is prudent, even necessary. Her actions can be seen in the light of working for the American people versus a Trump hired gun.

I have to be a skeptic on all things, both positive and negative.

One particular thing that concerns me about the claim that X% of votes were changed by the Dominion software on election night is how easily that claim can be disputed or verified by manual examination of the paper ballots.
-Say for hypothetical example Ward 4 Township 7 of Detroit has 10k ballots registered out of 12k ballots printed for in-person voting, and 15k ballots returned by mail. In theory, those 25k voted ballots are in sealed boxes labeled “W4T72020” with the 2k blanks right next to them, so a team of human beings can physically count them. If election night numbers from Dominion show those boxes breaking 20k/5k for Biden, and a manual inspection shows them actually breaking 18k/7k, Sidney’s claims have gained a certain amount of merit. If physical examination of multiple townships show similar bias, it becomes a certainty. The problem is that the theory is not being borne out by experimental data. (Admittedly, the experiments are being conducted by mostly Dems with observers stuck ten feet away, but you get the idea.)

    Terence G. Gain in reply to georgfelis. | November 23, 2020 at 5:19 pm

    The election laws in at least some of the States require that the ballots be counted before observers. Failure to count ballots as required by law makes the votes so counted invalid. Recounting in the same manner does not cure the invalidity of such ballots. Once mailed-in ballots were separated from the envelopes without the envelope being checked by observers it became impossible to determine for whom an illegal vote was cast.

    Due to the many breaches of the election laws the current count is not reliable and the election should go to the House as required by the constitution.

I’m with Trump 100%, but history shows it is very difficult to get courts to overturn elections based on allegations of vote fraud, to the point that it seems to unofficially be a much higher legal burden than a mere preponderance of the evidence. Maybe that’s as it should be, as the will of the voters is not to be trifled with. As his lower court losses accrue I’m sure it’ll sow dissension within Trump’s ranks as to strategy. But he’s got to have the goods with specificity to prove his case or he has no chance.

BTW, he had his real chance 3-1/2 years ago with this when he formed his vote fraud commission. He should have never backed down.

    The point is not to prove that sufficient fraud occurred to reverse the election results. The initial objective is to stop the certification in certain locations to allow for enough time for a comprehensive investigation to be conducted to ascertain how much fraud likely occurred. Whether the courts will actually rule in a legitimate manner in this case, or duck making the decision require by a clear examination of the current evidence is unknown.

      maxmillion in reply to Mac45. | November 23, 2020 at 10:42 am

      That won’t work either, unless you have the evidence showing specific instances of fraud, because there is enormous pressure on the states to certify, and they aren’t going to delay it over mere allegations.

    Milhouse in reply to maxmillion. | November 23, 2020 at 2:30 pm

    He had little choice but to back down, because the states simply refused to supply the commission with the information it needed to prove what everyone already knew was happening. It had no subpoena power, because Trump has none.

My personal feeling here is that the Trump Campaign distanced itself from Powell, because her conspiracy claims were sucking up all thee oxygen in the room.

Look, the initial objective, of the Trump legal challenges, is to temporarily stop the certification of the votes in the 5-6 locations here it appears that demonstrable fraud has probably occurred. Rudy has the necessary evidence to achieve that goal, if nothing else distracts from that. But, the Powell claims allow the media and others to concentrate on those to the detriment of the Giulliani case. I doubt that Trump does not want to follow up on Powell’s line of investigation. But, he really needs to stop the certification.

Looks to me like the problem is the RNC, not Sidney’s proof. The Trump Campaign has a financial agreement with the RNC. The RNC is shrieking because where Sidney is going implicates Republicans too. The RNA does not want to pursue any line of litigation that would do that.

Also, substantial portions of all donations to the Trump campaign or Trump’s litigation fund are going to the RNC for… whatever. People need to donate directly to Sidney.

Help will be needed to overcome issues of standing. I hope that the lawyers for Trump recognize that their first obligation is to him and join in whatever Sidney does without regard to who goes apesh.

I think there is less to this story than meets the eye about a supposed “split” with the Trump campaign. As some commenters have pointed out, Powell is General Flynn’s lawyer and has never claimed to be representing Trump or his campaign.

    Now THAT explains a lot of other things too. Like why Mitt Romney’s niece Ronna McDaniel is RNC Chairman. Trump just doesn’t have the organization behind him to populate most of the important positions in his administration alone no less of the corrupt GOP machinery.

    It’s always about money.

Hey L.I. Gang: Most likely Trump team is protecting her.
No further explanation needed.

disqualifying hundreds of thousands of votes because some of them might be fraudulent was not a remedy any court was likely to grant

If so, the election is already lost. Indeed, if that’s so, that just emboldens ever more outrageous election fraud, on the theory that judges are so blind that they will deny the evidence of their own eyes to maintain the fiction of a sound election.

    texannie in reply to randian. | November 23, 2020 at 8:48 am

    This! Spot on!

    This reminds me of something that happened to me when I was a quality assurance auditor in the aerospace industry. Sent out to inspect the wares of a supplier, I was given complete access to the factory, drawings, specifications, build and test records. In conducting my observations, inspections and records audits, I observed several non-conforming practices and product defects which I documented as audit findings, pickups and rejections.

    It was then the purchasing agent for my company who managed the contract, got together with the management and legal team for the supplier and came up with a plan to declare all drawings, specifications, practices and the facility itself, to be “propriety” and fenced off their facility, presenting the finished product to me in a box in the lobby with nothing but a signed “Certificate of Conformity”.

    The problem of course is that I could NOT un-see what I had seen, nor forget what I knew about their many non-conformances. Tremendous pressure was brought upon me from the program management arm of my employer to “sign off” on the product, and I wilted under the pressure and did so.

    35 years later, I still regard that as the low-point in my career in aerospace QA. It was a bitter pill to swallow, and was a notable factor in my decision to leave that job for a new career in software development.

“I don’t know whether Powell has the proof. It’s possible, as some people speculate, that she’s holding everything close to the vest for court. But if that’s not the case, and she doesn’t have the proof, then she has done great damage to the legitimate concerns about voter fraud and weakening of voter security.”

Not exactly the Tom Paine response to this whole debacle.

I’m getting the sense that while Giuliani’s team is concentrating on specific Democrat malfeasance on behalf of the Trump campain, Powell and Wood (isn’t he filing on behalf of himself as a Georgia voter?) are going after the entire Uniparty swamp as one big machine representing We The People. Maybe the press conferences are causing messaging problems that may confuse how this plays out?

Giuliani’s Pennsylvania and Wood’s Georgia are the big fish for getting the electoral votes needed to win Trump’s re-election. They are in play right now. Powell is building out further to take down the entire scam. January 21 is looming and Powell’s issues won’t happen if we don’t first win on the more immediate issue of the presidency.

I don’t see how keeping the two projects separate would hurt. She can still file her lawsuits but for now, surrender the messaging to Giuliani and Wood. This gives her time to organize the most massive and important legal effort of all without tripping up the presidency issue with overwhelming messaging?

Stopped by just to see the crazy. First year, first day of law school: you can’t sue somebody without a client. Even if Powell could find a handful of actual people (WeThePeople – how cute, but worthless as an actual client) who, if it could be proven – there’s that pesky “IF” again – had their votes changed by big, bad Dominion, the remedy is to change back their individual votes, not overturn the entire election. See, Federal District Court Judge Matthew Brann’s opinion on Saturday from the latest cases the Trump legal team lost. And, by the way, Judge Brann is a Republican and former Federalist Society member who was appointed to the federal bench by President Obama as part of a quid pro quo agreement with the Republican Senate. Look, I’m a Federalist Society member, too, and Powell, Giuliani, Wood, and the rest of the Trump legal team are an embarrassment to the legal profession and to President Trump. The election is over. President Trump lost. The Supreme Court won’t touch this with a ten foot pole. Deal with it and look forward, not backward. Or, get some professional help.

    Viator in reply to RNJD. | November 23, 2020 at 6:57 am

    You forgot to write IMHO.

    Terence G. Gain in reply to RNJD. | November 23, 2020 at 8:16 am

    RNJD

    You are 51 years and two months behind me in terms of your legal career. I got an A in Evidence and that was before grade inflation. I was a litigation lawyer for 42 years and I learned to investigate before forming opinions about what happened. You have formed an opinion without doing any investigation whatsoever. I think you deserve an F. You are ignoring massive evidence of election fraud. What makes you think you’ll ever be able to hold a candle to Sidney Powell?

    Steven Crowder is not as educated as you but he is a lot smarter. He is investigating. You should try to learn from him.

    https://youtu.be/Jl4ZFS3xORM

      I had Irving Younger as my evidence professor many decades ago…that was also before grade inflation….and I recognize good arguments when I see them. I was a litigator, too. And I grew up on a farm, so I recognize bull___ when I see it. Read the actual pleadings and the court opinions ruling against the dream team of Trump lawyers. That’s all the evidence I need.

    Ronbert in reply to RNJD. | November 23, 2020 at 8:53 am

    RNJD go back to your mother’s basement. You will find your $20 bill from your Chinese masters on your desk.

    gonzotx in reply to RNJD. | November 23, 2020 at 11:49 am

    President Trump won by a landslide that has been stolen from him
    If you think the American people would vote overwhelmingly for an Alzheimer’s patient that is a treasonous crook, well I have a lot in China waiting for you.

    Milhouse in reply to RNJD. | November 23, 2020 at 2:46 pm

    RNJD, you’re 100% correct, but here’s an idea: Until she’s ready to file she doesn’t need a client; if and when she has something fit to present to a court without being hit with sanctions, she will need to sign someone up as her client, but it doesn’t have to be Trump.

    After all, he was not officially a candidate in the Nov 3 election; officially the candidates were the people running to be electors. The 20 Republicans who want to be the electors from PA, and who are pledged that if chosen they will vote for Trump on Dec 14, they would have standing to sue, since they can claim to have been duly elected to the office of elector, and to have had that victory stolen from them. That would get around standing laws without having to get Trump involved in what so far seems like a far-fetched claim.

    Barry in reply to RNJD. | November 23, 2020 at 10:30 pm

    “Stopped by just to see the crazy.”

    Did you look in the mirror?

Why they allowed Ms Powell to make her outlandish claims is a mystery. Even if she were correct (and her theory is out there) it is extremely unlikely she’ll be able to prove it in time for it to matter.
Instead, focus on the winnable issues. If history is a guide there is no way that less than 1% of the mail-in ballots are invalid because of mismatched signatures etc. That alone should suffice in some of the battleground states to potentially impact the certifiable result.
Add to that the central constitutional issues (election rules rewritten by judges* etc.) there is a viable path.

After securing the legitimate result of this election there needs to be a thorough investigation into every aspect of these improprieties, and future elections must be better secured. There will be time enough to do so. Unless Ms Powell’s actions lead to a Biden administration.

Sadly, the Trump team seems to have been too naive to prepare for the probable fraud in Democrat machine cities and has allowed Democrat suits messing up election rules to basically go unchallenged and not sued themselves to protect the election rules.

*If anyone can explain how the PA Supreme Court can change election deadlines, please do.

    alaskabob in reply to felixrigidus. | November 23, 2020 at 8:21 am

    Counting the ballot freezes the number. An audit determines each ballots legitimacy. The present certification being rammed through is without audit. As for waiting till next time with better laws….there will be no next time.

      felixrigidus in reply to alaskabob. | November 23, 2020 at 2:25 pm

      You haven’t read my comment, have you? Where did you get the “waiting for next time” from?
      The issue here is to secure the true result of the election. There is a timer on that, as you should know, namely the day the electoral college meets to elect the President.
      There are issues that can be resolved before that – I think I pointed out quite a few.

      Once the immediate and pressing issue is dealt with so that “there will be a next time” to use your phrase then there will be time to finally prepare better for the attacks on election integrity.

    JusticeDelivered in reply to felixrigidus. | November 23, 2020 at 10:43 am

    “extremely unlikely she’ll be able to prove it in time for it to matter.”

    It matters, the proof delegitimizes Biden-Harris and is cannon fodder to make any time they have in office measurable, and might even be cause to force them out of office. And downstream, it will be useful in future elections.

      felixrigidus in reply to JusticeDelivered. | November 23, 2020 at 2:34 pm

      I thought the context was clear. But apparently not. So let me be more specific: “in time for it to matter to determine the outcome of the 2020 Presidential election”.

      I doubt a conspiracy as vast as Powell intimates can be proven in just three weeks. Not to mention that there are some obvious holes in her story as she presented it.
      By all means, once the steal is prevented look into her theory as well. And above all, finally recognize that there is no low Democrats won’t stoop to in order to steal an election. Act accordingly. Starting with the Georgia run-offs. Unless you prefer to risk losing everything.

“What it is ain’t exactly clear”
So the best approach for us outside the information chain is to wait and see. We do what we can, but God runs the world.

William A. Jacobson: The claim centered on alleged manipulation of Dominion voting machines to flip millions of votes from Trump to Biden.

Georgia used Dominion voting machines, and they just conducted a hand recount of the paper ballots. The precise match between the machine count and hand count shows that the machines worked properly.

    that’s with the assumption that all the paper ballots are legit

      MarkS: that’s with the assumption that all the paper ballots are legit

      That wasn’t the concern being addressed, but the “alleged manipulation of Dominion voting machines.” That allegation has been shown false. Jacobson et al. need to abandon the assertion and move on to the next ad hoc conspiracy theory.

    randian in reply to Zachriel. | November 23, 2020 at 1:27 pm

    That assumes the recount is legit. Who did the recount? The same people in on the fraud. So easy to “recount” when you know exactly how many votes were shifted, if any. Also, as noted recounts do not detect ballot stuffing.

      randian: That assumes the recount is legit. Who did the recount?

      One ad hoc explanation after another. The recount was televised. There were observers from both parties overseeing the process. And all of it was under the supervision of a Republican Secretary of State.

    The issue is a fraud-free election, and the current GA system is susceptible to fraud via several means. The Dominion machines and scanners and QR codes can be hacked according to experts in cybersecurity testimony. You can read about it in Curling v Raffensperger.

      newnanfrisbee: The Dominion machines and scanners and QR codes can be hacked according to experts in cybersecurity testimony. You can read about it in Curling v Raffensperger.

      Curling required Georgia to have a paper record. In the 2020 election, the machine produced a paper record that had a QR code and a plain text version of the ballot, which the voter could review. The machine counted the QR code, but the hand count used the plain text. The two counts matched. That means there was no manipulation of the ballots by the electronic voting process.

    Milhouse in reply to Zachriel. | November 23, 2020 at 2:54 pm

    This is a good point. If the hand count matched the machine count, that is strong evidence that the machines were not tampered with, and the fraud is in the ballots themselves, not in the count. Which is what we believed all along would happen, because it’s what always happens; fraud in the actual count is rare because it’s so easy to catch. The fraud lies in fabricated ballots, altered ballots, ballots cast by people who were ineligible to do so, and (to a lesser extent) in “lost” ballots. Once they’ve been accepted as valid and added to the pile there’s no way to identify them and pull them out.

Sundance at CTH explained: This is all about who is getting paid by the campaign and RNC. The Trump campaign isn’t going to reimburse Sidney Powell for any expenses, nor is she allowed to make offers of financial payment from the GOP or Trump campaign. The vultures assembling and protecting their paychecks do not want Powell getting paid, nor do they want any financial liability. … That announcement is all about money; nothing more.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/11/22/republican-business-interests-separate-from-sidney-powell/

A reminder:

How presidential electors are selected by states. The U.S. Constitution vests that authority exclusively in state legislatures. The offices of President and Vice President were created by the U.S. Constitution, and when a state legislature exercises this power to determine the manner in which electors are chosen, that power is governed solely by the federal Constitution. See Leser v. Garnett, 258 U.S. 130, 137 (1922) (function of state legislature in carrying out a federal function derived from the U.S. Constitution “transcends any limitations sought to be imposed by the people of a State”). No state constitution, state law, or state court can alter or constrain that grant of power. In one century-old case, the U.S. Supreme Court applied the electors clause, recognizing the exclusive authority of the state legislatures to act for the people with respect to selection of electors.

The appointment of these electors is thus placed absolutely and wholly with the legislatures of the several states. They may be chosen by the legislature, or the legislature may provide that they shall be elected by the people of the state at large, or in districts, as are members of congress, which was the case formerly in many states; and it is [no] doubt competent for the legislature to authorize the governor, or the supreme court of the state, or any other agent of its will, to appoint these electors. This power is conferred upon the legislatures of the states by the constitution of the United States, and cannot be taken from them or modified by their state constitutions … Whatever provisions may be made by statute, or by the state constitution, to choose electors by the people, there is no doubt of the right of the legislature to resume the power at any time, for it can neither be taken away nor abdicated. [McPherson v. Blacker, 146 U.S. 1, 34–35 (1892) (emphasis added).]

    Milhouse in reply to Viator. | November 23, 2020 at 3:07 pm

    This is true. But all the state legislatures have already specified how their states electors are to be chosen, so by default they have no actual role in the choosing. It’s not as if they are going to be faced with the task of certifying their states’ electors; that is done by some other official whom the legislature has authorized (who it is varies by state).

    It is true that the legislature can now change its mind and lay down a different method of choosing the electors, but that would run afoul of the federal statute and thus lose them its guarantee that their state’s electors’ votes will be counted on Jan 3.

    If a state changes the rules now, and sends in a slate of electors that isn’t the outcome of the Nov 3 election, it would be up to Mike Pence whether to count those electors, and if he did count them there’d be a constitutional crisis like the one in 1876, because the constitution doesn’t say who decides which electors’ votes to count. All it says is that he must count them in the presence of congress, but whether they’re supposed to just be silent witnesses or to decide questions about the electors’ eligibility is unspecified, and was left unresolved in the compromise that solved that crisis.

    In addition, no state legislature is going to do such a thing unless it has convincing proof that Trump really won that state. Without that, a state legislature that did so would be devastated at the next state election. The state’s people wouldn’t stand for it. And that proof is hard to find.

smalltownoklahoman | November 23, 2020 at 11:03 am

A good video to watch on this subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYJUjkpjZbo

The steal would have required several things.
1. An up to date running count total.
2. An algorithm to forecast the net changes in vote count required for a Biden victory
3 A process to eliminate Trump votes electronically and ballots physically
4 A process to produce illegal votes for Biden electronically
and physically ballots.
Prerequisites. (Massive mail in ballots, lenient verification ,late receipt of ballots, extended counting times
I’m pretty sure we have evidence of all these things available to the general public.
How is it presentable and provable is beyond me. I hope its the Kraken!

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