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All 57 Members of Buffalo Police Department’s Emergency Response Team Resign

All 57 Members of Buffalo Police Department’s Emergency Response Team Resign

A mess of liberal making

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtIa9ezuFpw

Every member of the Buffalo Police Departments Emergency Response Team, tasked with responding to riots and other peace keeping situations, resigned Friday. Every.single.member.

According to The Buffalo News, the law enforcement officers have not resigned from the police force, only the special tactical unit responsible for crowd control.

The mass resignation comes after two officers were suspended without pay after video captured a 75-year-old man being pushed to the crowd after he confronted officers attempting to clear an area. The man approached officers and appeared to swat at one, who then pushed him out of the way. After the two officers were suspended, the union notified “rank and file members Friday that the union would no longer pay for legal fees to defend police officers related to the protests which began Saturday in downtown Buffalo and have continued on and off, according to one source.”

The notification upset the union, ultimately promptly the mass resignation.

More from The Buffalo News:

The union representing Buffalo police officers told its rank and file members Friday that the union would no longer pay for legal fees to defend police officers related to the protests which began Saturday in downtown Buffalo and have continued on and off, according to one source. The union is upset with the treatment of the two officers who were suspended Thursday.

“Our position is these officers were simply following orders from Deputy Police Commissioner Joseph Gramaglia to clear the square,” said Buffalo Police Benevolent Association President John Evans. “It doesn’t specify clear the square of men, 50 and under or 15 to 40. They were simply doing their job. I don’t know how much contact was made. He did slip in my estimation. He fell backwards.”

A video posted by WBFO late Thursday night showed the officers pushing the man before he fell backward and hit his head on the sidewalk. He was taken to Erie County Medical Center, where he was in stable but serious condition early Friday morning.

It was not clear how the Buffalo Police Department will deal with the manpower issue. State police, Erie County Sheriff’s Office, as well as other local law enforcement agencies have been helping with the response to protests and unrest.

“I don’t know what the city is going to do,” Evans said. “They have not called me.”

Mayor Byron Brown said in a statement: “The City of Buffalo is aware of developments related to the work assignments of certain members of the Buffalo police force.  At this time, we can confirm that contingency plans are in place to maintain police services and ensure public safety within our community. The Buffalo police continue  to actively work with the New York State Police and other cooperating agencies.”

Evans said: “We stand behind those officers 100%.”

The PBA will pay for any defense costs for the two officers, Evans said, but not for any members of the Emergency Response Team or SWAT in regards to the protesting.

Evans said the two officers, whose names have circulated widely social media, have been harassed.

The actions of the officers drew swift condemnation from people across the nation, including Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo.

“It’s just fundamentally offensive and frightening,” Cuomo said Friday morning.

Watch the video here. WARNING: Graphic content.

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Comments

I am surprised it has taken some this long.
Move to a red state where you’ll be appreciated.
So sorry!

    lc in reply to lc. | June 5, 2020 at 5:35 pm

    I do hope the man is alright, and if there was malice, I would hope that it would be dealt with rationally without overreaction.

      ConradCA in reply to lc. | June 5, 2020 at 7:28 pm

      There is no doubt that the police told to protestors to move. Those that refused were moved by to police. This 85 year old resisted a legal order by the police and got what he deserved.

        notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to ConradCA. | June 5, 2020 at 7:43 pm

        I’ve read a few times that he is a 75 year old community organizer activist – Obama’s other White brother.

        Most likely staged the Whole thing on purpose.

          After the incident at DePaul University(Milo or Shapiro) when the event had to pay lots extra for security and then the Chicago Police blocked defenders and stood back with arms crossed and smiles on their faces, and let the protesters attack the speaker….
          …I have since believed and stated publically that the union police would attack the tea party types trying to stop the Democratic Party activists from building the gallows to hang police and their families this afternoon.

        MattMusson in reply to ConradCA. | June 5, 2020 at 10:06 pm

        I could do a better fake fall than that. He was barely pish and crunbled to the ground. What a liar. And if you believe this was a genuine gall, you are a fool.

        MattMusson in reply to ConradCA. | June 5, 2020 at 10:07 pm

        I could do a better fake fall than that. He was barely pushed and crumbled to the ground. What a liar. And if you believe this was a genuine fall, you are a fool.

        MAJack in reply to ConradCA. | June 6, 2020 at 10:02 am

        Age doesn’t always bring wisdom.

      gospace in reply to lc. | June 5, 2020 at 8:05 pm

      I read here in the comments he had a helmet in his other hand. If so- he was there looking for trouble, and got it. I don’t care whether or not he’s OK. The world be likely be a better place if he dies. Whether he’ll be in a better place is another question entirely.

    notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to lc. | June 5, 2020 at 10:20 pm

    LeahR77

    ANTIFA has threatened the town of Placerville CA .

    They said if anyone stands in their way “there will be consequences “ .

    So Hells Angels and the Mongols biker gangs have accepted the challenge !??

    https://mobile.twitter.com/leahr77/status/1269013614104645632

He pushed the cops, and they just pushed back, he stumbled backwards and tripped.

There was a really unfortunate result but I don’t see malice, much less intent. If you get in my face and push me, and I push you back and you trip and hit your head, you are responsible.

So nonsense suits? But police will have to pay for their own defense against them now?

We can’t even separate intentional violence, malicious violence, and accidents now.

    irv in reply to tz. | June 5, 2020 at 5:54 pm

    The Left has absolutely made the distinction.

    If a cop does it, it’s malicious and must be punished.

    If a “protester” dressed all in black, possibly using a weapon and/or screaming racial epithets, does it, it is an act of civic duty and must be praised. Especially if the person on the receiving end is a cop.

    If a non-involved citizen who claims to be “defending” his or herself does it, it’s a hate crime and must be punished, unless the person on the receiving end is a cop. In that case, the cop is a racist and must be punished.

    See how easy it is?

    PODKen in reply to tz. | June 5, 2020 at 6:28 pm

    Doesn’t look like he pushed the cops to me … he was just standing there waving his phone around. OTOH … when the police went forward he backed up at the same time the cop pushed … but it didn’t look like much of a push to me. Looks to me that the guy mostly backed up to avoid the push and lost his balance.

    inspectorudy in reply to tz. | June 6, 2020 at 12:42 am

    When is your next eye exam? If you didn’t see the cop reach out and push him backward then you are blind! Then the guy who pushed him walks away. Tell me the difference between that cop and the guy who kicked the guy in the face while he was down video?

      alaskabob in reply to inspectorudy. | June 6, 2020 at 3:08 pm

      The police are moving forward. He advances and reaches out with his right hand with something toward the cop. What is in his hand is now close to or touching the cop. He initiated the contact. You DON’T EVER DO THAT!!! And..no social distancing!!

      What was he saying? “Officer … where can I recharge my cell phone?”

    Andy in reply to tz. | June 6, 2020 at 12:48 am

    Officer John Galt will not be reporting for duty.

The riot control team needed to maintain team formation or they expose each other to danger. They had no choice but to keep moving. If you watch the video “In Full” it took 17 seconds for two National Guard medics to render first aid and you can hear the team calling for an ambulance. 17 seconds. It starts at .06 seconds and the medics are down on him at 23 seconds. https://youtu.be/QSBZGv5wzK4

    inspectorudy in reply to OldSarg. | June 6, 2020 at 12:46 am

    If you also watch in full there are no people behind the cops and there only a handful in front of fifty cops. So where was this big threat to them? I am really saddened by the remarks on this site. I do not see much difference between you and the anti-fa crowd. What the cops did to this guy is not OK or acceptable. And it isn’t up to the military medics to clean up their brutality. I hope the pusher and his Sgt. are both fired and the pusher indicted.

      Sanddog in reply to inspectorudy. | June 6, 2020 at 2:15 am

      So, when police are given an order to clear an area, all it takes is a 75 year old washed up activist to get in their faces, smacking them with a phone and the police are supposed to just say.. okay, you get to run the show, we’ll go home now? Stop looking at his age. He’s a freaking adult who was given a lawful order that he though he could ignore. He doesn’t get to hide behind his age. That particular unit is trained to clear an area by pushing protesters back if they refuse to move. He’s not exempt.

        pst314 in reply to Sanddog. | June 6, 2020 at 7:11 pm

        I don’t think he actually hit them with his phone, but rather waved it around, very close to them, back and forth over their midsections. I saw one suggestion that they suspected he was attempting some sort of electronic scan of any devices on their persons. Regardless, “peace activist” usually means “commie troublemaker” and I have known plenty of 75 year old commie POS’s.

        Anonamom in reply to Sanddog. | June 7, 2020 at 11:40 am

        Exactly right, Sanddog. We have lost our minds. We want police to keep us safe, but they must do so without raising their voices, using any force, or making anyone feel bad. I am SO glad that I live in flyover country, where men carrying ARs are showing up at every “protest.” Unsurprisingly, things are remaining quite peaceful.

      Milhouse in reply to inspectorudy. | June 7, 2020 at 11:49 pm

      If you also watch in full there are no people behind the cops and there only a handful in front of fifty cops. So where was this big threat to them?

      There didn’t have to be a threat to them. Their orders were to clear the square. How exactly do you propose they do that, if not by shoving those who refuse to move? Let alone those who do the opposite, and advance on them and make as if to lay hands on them? Pushing people to make them move is standard police practice everywhere, and I don’t see how it could be otherwise. And if you raise your hands to a policeman being pushed out of his way is the least you should expect.

SpaceInvader | June 5, 2020 at 5:48 pm

If they have to pay for their own defense then it’s no wonder they all quit. The chances of being sued are just too high to take the risk. When The city burns we know who to blame.

BierceAmbrose | June 5, 2020 at 5:54 pm

“…contingency plans are in place to maintain police services and ensure public safety within our community.”

Might be a good time to use those contingency plans as police services n public safety have been a bit light, of late.

BTW, notice how that’s written to imply that services and safety have been in place all along. Since those plans in place haven’t been used, services and safety must be fine.

And Oceana has always been at war with Eastasia.

    We had some high school kids near a freeway with their stupid signs. Not sure how they got there. I wanted to tell them that in solidarity with their black lives matters friends they need to move to Detroit and finish school there learning how not to use their white privilege.
    Pretty sure they’d learn real quick how little that white privilege of the children of rich white parents actually represents in the inner city.
    One last thing, don’t forget to ALWAYS remind the liberals they’re responsible for all this. They’re the white flight from integration back in the 70’s. Lots of conservatives had moved out and left the liberals to enjoy the ideals of racial equality they had espoused in the 60’s after the riots.
    Dems didn’t last long as they fled like rats. And do they have excuses for why they’re in the mostly white suburbs, you can’t believe how many you’ll hear from them. In addition you’ll be called a racist for calling them out.

      JusticeDelivered in reply to 4fun. | June 5, 2020 at 11:56 pm

      Don’t forget that blacks received virtually all white’s home equity for nothing. That transfer of wealth was staggering, and continues to this day. City cancer, most of which is caused by blacks, continues to spread.

Looks like his right hand has an electronic device in it trying to scan the officer’s duty belt. Maybe a GPS, or a body cam? I don’t know, but he walks up with a strong gait, but goes down like a wet noodle, except his right hand still has the device in it. Sure would like to know more.

    Barry in reply to mrtomsr. | June 5, 2020 at 6:23 pm

    Yep. Might just be a dumbass activist, but he pushes the device against the officer twice. Pushing back was the correct action by the officer.

      mrtomsr in reply to Barry. | June 5, 2020 at 6:25 pm

      Probably already stole the info or data he was there to get. That officer may be able to be tracked now by mother old guy’s handlers.

        mrtomsr in reply to mrtomsr. | June 5, 2020 at 6:27 pm

        I have no idea why mother was created when I typed “the” I apologize for my auto correct.

    PODKen in reply to mrtomsr. | June 5, 2020 at 6:30 pm

    Looks like it was just a cell phone to me.

    DaveGinOly in reply to mrtomsr. | June 5, 2020 at 6:50 pm

    “(he) goes down like a wet noodle, except his right hand still has the device in it.”
    Not sure if you’re implying that the fact that’s he’s still gripping his phone is an indication he was not injured. Blood can be seen pouring out of his ear (almost certainly indicating a broken skull).

    Did the man stumble? Yes, he did. But he wouldn’t have stumbled had he not been pushed. But then again, if he hadn’t aggressively approached the two officer he would not have been pushed.

      BierceAmbrose in reply to DaveGinOly. | June 5, 2020 at 7:41 pm

      If you’re hanging on to your thing you arms aren’t managing your fall.

      — Push a cop, something’s gonna happen — what were you thinking?

      — Get pushed, n how bad that gets depoends on you — what did you think, falling clumsey on concrete is nothing?

      Falling-Down-Guy demonstrated physically a weird mindset a lot of these “protester” folks have: oblivious and invulnerable to consequences. Similar to that Antifa “training”: all about hitting n damaging the other guy, nothing about getting hit n taking care of yourself.

    stevewhitemd in reply to mrtomsr. | June 5, 2020 at 8:11 pm

    What we don’t know is what the old fellow said to the cops. Was it standard activist curses and nonsense, or did he deliver an extra-special insult to the cop?

    I’m older myself, and I know that a shove that I could have handled on my feet as a young man would put me on the ground today.

    One one video you can hear the ‘whap’ that his head makes when he contacts the pavement. Right then and there you knew he was injured.

    inspectorudy in reply to mrtomsr. | June 6, 2020 at 12:47 am

    OMG! It’s a fucking cell phone!

    puhiawa in reply to mrtomsr. | June 7, 2020 at 8:46 pm

    Was it staged? No reported injuries to the old trouble maker, but a puncture ear drum and supposed hematoma? I think I am skeptic.

BierceAmbrose | June 5, 2020 at 5:58 pm

Well, that demonstrates how fragile people realy are. How much more risky is braining people from behind with a bicycle lock, just to choose an example at random. (What made me think of that, I wonder?)

If you fall down on something hard, the only reason you’re not dead is you didn’t fall badly.

Wouldn’t it be nice if somewhere in all the PE in mandatory schools, people were taught useful physical skills n habits. Like how to fall — taught to beginners in most martial arts. I’d be crippled or worse at least 6x over if I hadn’t had trained into me some basics of how to fall … and I was never more than the barest of bare beginners, a some decades ago.

    The thing is the human body does a pretty good job of fighting gravity when you fall forward. Backward, not so much.

    Note NPR had to clip the video fairly hard to avoid seeing how quickly the medics got to the man. It’s not like the TV station could have actually run the *whole* clip and talked over it, but then they couldn’t get their faces on TV. Just glad he wasn’t hurt seriously.

    He will sue, of course. And get enough sympathetic jurors to win a sizable settlement. And *THAT* is why the ERT team resigned. Nobody with a functioning brain cell wants a job where there’s a substantial probability of having even a smaller incident than this drive your family into bankruptcy just a year or two before retirement, and see your hard-earned cash vanish into the hands of a lawyer and some smug thug who got a golden three-second video clip.

    PODKen in reply to BierceAmbrose. | June 5, 2020 at 6:32 pm

    I don’t think you’ve ever been 75 …

      nordic_prince in reply to PODKen. | June 5, 2020 at 10:03 pm

      If you’re 75, you’re old enough to know better than to go out to rumble with a crowd sitting on a powder keg.

      Hard to have sympathy for people who play stupid games and then whine when they get the booby prize.

        pst314 in reply to nordic_prince. | June 6, 2020 at 7:12 pm

        Except that leftists never learn better.

          Anonamom in reply to pst314. | June 7, 2020 at 11:43 am

          Oh, I don’t know about that. I think they’ve learned that a 75-year-old taking a dive for the team provides a photo op from which they can profit. And the moronic public just swallows it, hook, line, and sinker.

      lichau in reply to PODKen. | June 6, 2020 at 10:14 am

      I was 75, once. You learn that you break more easily and heal more slowly.

    gospace in reply to BierceAmbrose. | June 5, 2020 at 7:56 pm

    Way back when in HS I took judo for a few months- until my paternal unit decided he wasn’t going to pay for them after my brother lost interest. The first thing you learn in judo is- how to fall. There is an art to falling. I stayed long enough for those moves to become instinctive. At age 64, I can tell you that knowing how to fall has saved me from broken bones or other serious injuries more than once.

    Should be part of every school curriculum. Unlike the other martial arts, it can be taught as purely defensive in nature.

      BierceAmbrose in reply to gospace. | June 5, 2020 at 9:59 pm

      It was astonishing for me to find myself, post stroke, twice on the sidewalk n fine, replaying how I got there. 30+ years and a stroke after practicing falls, that was still there. Fascinating, as they say.

BierceAmbrose | June 5, 2020 at 6:02 pm

Fer frack’s sake. If you’re going over backwards, tuck your chin. Tuck your chin. TUCK YOUR CHIN.

BierceAmbrose | June 5, 2020 at 6:03 pm

Fer frack’s sake. If you’re going over backwards, tuck your chin. Tuck your chin. TUCK YOUR CHIN.

If you’re going over, sit down. Sit down. SIT DOWN.

BierceAmbrose | June 5, 2020 at 6:04 pm

And maybe don’t go shoving people if you can’t handle being shoved back in turn.

Never challange worse.

BierceAmbrose | June 5, 2020 at 6:09 pm

Well, if police doing as directed are going to be thrown under the bus when some event gets national attention, who is really surprised if they don’t want to play that game again?

Back the people you’ve directed to clear the square for your, and live with the consequences, Buffalo folk.

Or Clear your own square and live with whatever that takes your own selves, Buffalo folk.

Or let it burn and live with that.

A clearing detail policy variation that might work better is something like: if you have to interact with someone physically, you are taking them in under arrest, right then, first.

“Clearing” n similar the way it’s done these days is a kind of contest of force. It’s an invitation to back and forth that generates things like people who don’t know how to fall going over backwards on concrete. Maybe don’t.

    Edward in reply to BierceAmbrose. | June 5, 2020 at 6:59 pm

    I can remember when I was stationed at Ft. Sill in ’68 the OK Highway Patrol practicing clearing. Winchester Model 97 “Trench” shotguns with the Military handguard and US Model 1917 Bayonet with the OHP shoulder to shoulder in a wedge formation. Pretty convincing reason to move.

He is a “community organizer” who was supposedly there to “have some fun” as was quoted in other sites. I am guessing he had a tad more fun than he had planned and now has a pretty sweet hangover. Hard to believe he made it to 75 being that stupid

2smartforlibs | June 5, 2020 at 6:12 pm

OLD Man, you assumed the risk. How many hours will it take Buffalo to burn to the ground?

    inspectorudy in reply to 2smartforlibs. | June 6, 2020 at 12:50 am

    What was the risk? He walked up to the mass of armed cops to ask them something. What were they afraid of? Are these the brave people who protect and serve?

      Sanddog in reply to inspectorudy. | June 6, 2020 at 2:22 am

      He was told to leave. “Get back” doesn’t mean, hey.. let’s walk up and start yammering to the cops about how they’re racist pieces of crap. All he had to do was leave when ordered to do so. It was a lawful order.

      Milhouse in reply to inspectorudy. | June 7, 2020 at 11:56 pm

      He did not go up to ask them anything. Whatever he intended had nothing to do with making a polite inquiry. And having been ordered three times to leave, he had no business doing anything but leave. Any questions he had could have been answered later.

I live in a small town in Michigan. We don’t have much of a downtown but we’ve got a shoe store, Men’s clothing, restaurants, bank, appliance store (that services what it sells) lawyer’s offices etc. We know the people who own and run these businesses, we grew up with them. We’ve got their back. We had a hundred or so lib protesters jam up a bridge for a little while, but believe me, they knew better than to even think about throwing a brick through the shoe store’s window. They may be misguided, but they know, and know that they know, that dog won’t hunt around here. Not even close.

So, long and short, I thankful to live where I live rather than Buffalo.

the wuhan flu or the blue flu, take your pick

When I was a kid, I had been pushed around so often (had a big brother, for starters) that I was shocked that people — adults, no less — had to be taught how to fall backwards safely.

    PODKen in reply to McGehee. | June 5, 2020 at 6:34 pm

    I don’t think you’ve ever been 75 …

      McGehee in reply to PODKen. | June 5, 2020 at 7:13 pm

      If at that age I’m senile enough to tangle with riot cops I’ll be perfect nor the Dem presidential nomination.

      BierceAmbrose in reply to PODKen. | June 5, 2020 at 7:29 pm

      A bit short of 75, thanks for asking.

      I also took a few falls up through my first year and a half post-stroke — knock wood none since. The training cut in on the way down. You can decide whether stroke+ puts me over-75 equivalent.

      The guy on the video looks like a pretty spry old guy. Project his speed and movement poking at the cop into doing something useful on the way down, n he’d be way better off.

New to forum. What’s with the thumbs up or down routine?

2smart: I didn’t mean to give you a thumbs down I was bumbling around like the rookie I’am.

    B Buchanan in reply to Slick. | June 5, 2020 at 10:19 pm

    Hi Slick – welcome to the forum!

    It’s simple – you press ‘thumbs up’ of you agree with or really like what a poster has written. Press ‘thumbs down’ if you really disagree or don’t like what the poster has written. Also, because the reply button is right above the ‘thumbs down’, sometimes a thumbs down is given by accident. People tend apologize for accidentally doing that.

Seems a goal by some is to make Police work more and more undesirable. What will the Soy Boys do when 911 doesn’t answer? Footie flannel PJs won’t go far.

    JusticeDelivered in reply to Romey. | June 6, 2020 at 12:08 am

    That is why everyone needs guns and to know how to use them.

    lichau in reply to Romey. | June 6, 2020 at 10:23 am

    Same thing as you do before you call 911.
    I live out of town. Probably 15 minutes for the Sheriff to show up. IF he doesn’t get lost.
    Crime rate is near zero. Breaking and entering can get you a pine box.Knocking politely will get you invited in for coffee.

      Anonamom in reply to lichau. | June 7, 2020 at 11:48 am

      Yep. Depending on time of day, staffing, and location of deputies, it might be two hours here. As a result, most people are on friendly terms with their nearest, neighbors and just about everyone (outside of town, at least) is armed to the hilt. Doors to houses and shops are commonly left unlocked and rural theft is low. Most thieves aren’t in a rush to die.

And THAT is why ending qualified immunity needs to be done very, very carefully, if at all.

If we’re not careful, it will turn into a bludgeon to bankrupt and destroy anyone the left doesn’t like — see: Sarah Palin and Mike Flynn.

    gospace in reply to clintack. | June 5, 2020 at 8:01 pm

    Adopt loser pays laws…

    JusticeDelivered in reply to clintack. | June 6, 2020 at 12:11 am

    Actually, before SYG laws, it was common for people to be sued by criminals or their families. That was a big factor in getting the hell out of cities. Cities might have been able to be saved if SYG had become law in the fifties.

The man who went down appears to be holding a helmet with a face shield in his left hand. That suggests he was there to cause trouble.

Then he confronts the cops while he has his buddy videotape it. I think he wanted a video that would look like police brutality, but without getting seriously injured.

After he tripped, his head went down harder than expected, and he probably got a concussion. A helmet doesn’t do you much good when you’re holding it in your hand.

I’m also in my 70’s and would never try to antagonize the cops (or anyone else) to get a good video. When you’re a Geezer like me, your bones and joints are easily injured and don’t heal quickly. Concussions kill brain cells, and we don’t have that many left.

I say walk away. All the cops sick out. Announce it loud and clear that it is open season. Put it on the politicians that if anything happens on their watch, it is their fault. Let the cities burn.

Richard Aubrey | June 5, 2020 at 7:26 pm

I’m seventy five. Been taught to fall in a number of venues. Still, if I were trying to get a cop to give me some good video when I did “nothing”, I’d be prepared to be injured. IOW, if I’m not prepared to at least come close to injury, I wouldn’t do it. If this guy was trying to fake a cop into police brutality–at our shared age, we saw The Kids trying it on campus.
Or he might just be self-righteously stupid.

I read somewhere that he is an activist. He was setting them up and it fail. He needs to be responsible for his actions which endangered others too.

Spoiled brat kids of entitlement are in for a big surprise when they discover everyone else’s money runs out.

It does not help when these looser do this crap!

Walmart Pledges $100 Million to Fight ‘Systemic Racism’

    gonzotx in reply to MarkSmith. | June 5, 2020 at 8:14 pm

    It does not help when these looser do this crap!

    Walmart Pledges $100 Million to Fight ‘Systemic Racism’

    That’s racist blackmail matters money so they pass on by during the looting and destruction

      notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to gonzotx. | June 5, 2020 at 9:25 pm

      Amazon.con is braggingon their home page about supporting
      Black Lies Matter

        I have been buying stuff for other sources than Amazon, they have reneged on two day shipping, so there really is no price advantage now.

        The Friendly Grizzly in reply to notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital. | June 6, 2020 at 11:06 am

        Their 21st century equivalent of a “soul brother” sign in the window did nothing. They lost a distribution center and a lot of trailers in an arson fire.

          Or blood around the door as the Angel of Death came by. Many Black owned business painted “minority owned” on their stores to no avail. The blame is always shifted but now it is “verified” by Woke Whites like the Bushes. They have “justified” the looting and mayhem.

          Mark Levin felt this wasn’t up to Kristallnacht but I would begin to disagree since there is Antifa and BLM. Plus required conformed speech. The clinched fist of revolution. The true base of fascism.

        notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital. | June 6, 2020 at 3:00 pm

        Fmr. Antifa Member:

        A lot Of The Group’s Mainstream Supporters Are Democratic Left

I can remember when people challenged police for the right to use public restrooms and water fountains..

These police officers are highly motivated and already well-trained.

If they’re willing to relocate, plenty of great jobs in policing await them.

If I choose to go to a riot and I choose to push a cop when I get there, I choose to get hurt. If I choose to stay away from a riot, I choose to NOT get hurt. This jerk is not a victim. He owns his injuries.

As a cop a very long time ago, a woman deliberately harassed her husband till he punched her (she told me she was planning to do that). She wanted him arrested for assault after he decked her. I told her she got what she asked for and left without her husband. This guy got what he asked for. My sympathy = 0. I am in my 70’s and I do not fall when I do not push cops.

there are people who do serious photo analysis. The guy is NOT bleeding from the back of his head. The blood is coming from ABOVE his ear. Google photo search won’t give me a bigger photo, the link below is the only one it gave me. Don’t know what the mayor or Dictator Cuomo are planning for charges, but this one single photo creates reasonable doubt.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/i-DzIFTQINLT75GTy2SvL_wc15a21MluroDUn0BLLrq5P0leNf8wXqkzcl66o2cDPYSF=s114

    inspectorudy in reply to gospace. | June 6, 2020 at 12:55 am

    Grow the fuck up! He is in the hospital in stable condition. Zoom in on the video and you will see the blood is coming from his ear. Gradually he lets go of “Electronic device” as one of the MENSA’s here called it, called a cell phone. That is a sign that he no longer controls his limbs. This is not CGI in a movie. This is the real world.

      gospace in reply to inspectorudy. | June 6, 2020 at 2:11 am

      The easier to see pic in the next comment shows the blood coming from ABOVE his ear (above as he’s on his back). It’s quite clear and easy to see. Not FROM his ear, as through a ruptured eardrum. The only way bleeding could start there would be if that part of the head actually hit something- it didn’t. To be honest, given the history of leftist fake incidents, especially the Palestinian ones, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if it a attempted fake that turned real. And regardless, he’s at fault.

      I read elsewhere just a moment ago that Austin Texas rioters were shocked. Shocked I tell you, shocked. Police were being pelted with rocks, bottles, whatever, and they fired indiscriminately into the mob! Didn’t aim for the throwers- fired at the MOB! Each and every one of whom is guilty of any assault that occurs from mob action whether they participated in that actual assault or not.

        drednicolson in reply to gospace. | June 6, 2020 at 1:26 pm

        The British soldiers involved in the “Boston Massacre” acted in a similar fashion, firing indiscriminately into a crowd of agitators after repeated harassment from thrown rocks, bottles, and rotten eggs.

        They were ultimately cleared of any charges in the local court. Samuel Adams even provided their legal defense.

          alaskabob in reply to drednicolson. | June 6, 2020 at 3:02 pm

          Your history is a little off…. John Adams defended the soldiers. During the trial it was found agents provocateur were in the crowd. In self defense againsy a mob..nothing is indiscriminate.

    At first, I wasn’t going to comment on whether this incident was staged. I saw a detailed expose on the fakery but didn’t want to join in with that tin foil crowd. However, what the hell were those two yellow tubes that went from the mask around his ear? They were in addition to the white mask straps. Then there is the immediate bleeding from the ear area.

    Sorry. Not buying that the blood was real. He may have actually been hurt, but come on. You hit the back of your head and immediately, blood rushes out of your ear in an unexplained volume?

      drednicolson in reply to Redneck Law. | June 6, 2020 at 1:10 pm

      Blood from a ruptured eardrum will ooze out slowly. There’s no appreciable arteries in the ear area, only veins.

      The man either used the tube apparatus inside his mask to squirt fake blood, or bladed himself. (Used a hidden blade to cut his scalp. Such cuts bleed copiously but are otherwise superficial. Common in “pro” wrestling to fake a head wound.)

      Whether he actually did strike the back of his head when he fell backward is another matter that I’ll leave to the hospital.

Remember when all of the Progressives were demanding that all LEOs wear body cameras? So, where is the body cam footage of the Floyd incident? This would seem to be the best evidence in this case, wouldn’t it? So, why haven’t we seen any of it? The same can be said of all these other incidents. Well, the folks at Law Officer are asking the same question. and they asked it of the Mayor of Minneapolis. Still waiting for an answer.

https://www.lawofficer.com/where-is-the-body-camera-footage/

    Mac45 in reply to Mac45. | June 6, 2020 at 1:11 am

    Consider this scenario.

    All the attempts to remove Trump from office have failed. The illegal activities of the Democrats and the Progressives in government are coming out into the open. The COVID response has proven to be a scam and a growing number of people have discovered that they were lied to and are highly upset about it. Democrats like Gov. Cuomo are looking at being indicted for the orders which placed active COVID patients back into nursing homes killing hundreds or thousands of people. Sleepy Joe Biden is the Great White Hope of the Democrat party. Their world is about to come to an end. Then, some former home invader with a heart condition and pumped up on a veritable cornucopia of illicit drugs, drops dead while in police custody in Minneapolis. A video of an officer holding the man down, by placing his knee against the side of his neck goes viral, released less than 24 hours after the incident occurs. There is a near universal outcry for justice by a populace which is told that the man was killed by police. A cry goes up for justice. All the usual suspects are clamoring for an arrest and nationwide demonstrations and riots are orchestrated. Damage is done. Looting occurs. People are killed. The populace is terrified, again. And the Dems and Progressives are riding a tiger.

    But, the official autopsy shows that there is no evidence that the actions of the police caused the man’s death. In fact, the autopsy strongly suggests that the man died of a serious heart condition combined with a heavy concentration of illicit drugs. Also, there is an inference that the officers were following procedures for the treatment of a drug induced condition called excited delirium. If this proves to be true and becomes public knowledge, that tiger is likely to eat them. How will a population, which is already upset about the handling of the COVID crisis, going to react when they realize that all of the damage, the injury, the deaths were totally avoidable, if only the Democrat politicians had done their jobs. And, will the revolutionary forces activated for this incident stand down? And, what happens if the populace decides that this was all done to protect certain progressive politicians and government officials? Could the threat of violence rear up from the other side and demands made to arrest and punish those responsible for allowing the riots to happen in the first place? Or, even worse, will the other side decide that the government can not be relied upon to protect its citizens and bring it down in a number of places? Would those responsible for all of this wish to bury any exculpatory evidence?

    Too many groups and individuals may have too much involved in all of this and it may not stop anytime soon. And what will this boondoggle cost this nation? Stay tuned, for the next revolting chapter.

BierceAmbrose | June 5, 2020 at 10:05 pm

Oh, the spin-mongering is in high gear already.

Couple “stories” screeshing about how the cops ignored the fallen guy; cut precisely to leave out the medics on hand rushing up in mere seconds.

    inspectorudy in reply to BierceAmbrose. | June 6, 2020 at 12:57 am

    The medics are from the National Guard, not the police dept. So the cops get to bloody old people up and then the Guard comes along and fixes them? Is that what happens in your town?

      Mac45 in reply to inspectorudy. | June 6, 2020 at 1:25 am

      You are in a high stress situation. You are moving to clear a plaza. A lone old man approaches you and blocks your way. He moves a hand toward you with something in it. The man coming up next to you pushes him back and he falls, striking his head. How many officers have been injured with guns, knives, and other weapons during these demonstrations? Could that “cell phone” be a disguised taser? Or worse, a disguised gun or knife? Do you wait to see what the man’s intentions are? Or do you push him out of touching distance? And, why did he fail to follow directions? If he is too demented or otherwise incompetent to be allowed out alone, that is hardly the fault of the police, is it?

      Take off the rose colored glasses. Quit petting the unicorn. And, come back to reality. A reality where these “demonstrators” are looting, vandalizing, assaulting and even killing people. When the nice policeman tells you to clear the area or stand back, it is a good idea to follow his instructions. Don’t you think?

        inspectorudy in reply to Mac45. | June 7, 2020 at 12:33 am

        High stress? Look at the video! There are a handful of people that are not cops! Where is the stress? Oh, I get it the doughnut shop was closing!

          Mac45 in reply to inspectorudy. | June 7, 2020 at 1:55 pm

          Obviously you have never been in a crowd control situation, Inspector. If people were clearing the plaza quickly, in an orderly fashion, the police would not be advancing. Why should they? Just because there are no demonstrators in the frame does not mean there were none there. Now add in the fact that a large number of LEOs had been injured and some shot and stabbed, in previous demonstrations, and the stress level goes up even more.

          What you are doing is emotionally identifying with the old man, without having any facts that he was simply an innocent bystander. It is not as if the LEOs pursued him down the street, through alleys in order to beat him, after all. He was not leaving as instructed, he was moving toward the LEOs for some unknown purpose and got moved out of the way.

        Hey, Mac45….

        It’s kind of weirdly ironic, but Martin Gugino is also a member an organization called: “People United for Sustainable Housing”
        OR….(and I’m not joking)…PUSH….!

      inspectorudy….

      The old guy had a helmet… When the game begins, you’re suppose to….Put On Your F’n Helmet….!

      BierceAmbrose in reply to inspectorudy. | June 7, 2020 at 12:13 am

      In Buffalo the other day, city police plus natl guard medics work together to clear a square infested with people doing violence.

      They’ve divided up the tasks: way faster n more effective care to anyone that might get hurt than having the guys doing clearing switch to doing the first aid.

      Watch the whole video: you’ll see how well that works.

A perfect example as to why we can’t defund the police
From Rocky River, Oh., near Cleveland
plucked from Cleveland.com

Mischief, Center Ridge Road

On May 30 an irate customer was reported at Taco Bell upset over receiving the wrong food order. Officers were able to calm the situation and sent the customer on their way.

I watched the video.
A 75 year old man is not harmless.
He directly approached two Riot Police, and reached out toward one with probably a cell phone.
And he got tipped over.
He is lucky to be alive.

Not many 75 year old men got hurt when they protested Inslee’s high capacity magazine ban.

    BierceAmbrose in reply to Andy. | June 7, 2020 at 12:15 am

    I suspect those folks, like the 22,000 who gathered in VA, know the difference between “protest” and “riot, loot, n burn.”

Good thing this idiot wasn’t Black or those Officers would be charged with attempted murder and held without bail. This was clearly an act. The Cop barely touched him. The media keeps giving his age, as though I’ve was an enfeebled man in a wheelchair.

I don’t care what your physical dimensions are, age, politics, religion or what/what your are screwing. Stepping in front of a riot squad will get you, at minimum, pushed. Armchair activists who think this was brutality or excessive force should have their head examined brain delete.

I would have loved to go get a sample from the pool of blood from this guy. If it was real, I would publicly apologize for thinking that a 75 year old activist would stage such a slanderous performance in order to further denigrate the police.

Perhaps he will be forced to release his medical records when he files a civil suit against the town. Until then, HIPAA is his friend.

BierceAmbrose | June 7, 2020 at 12:20 am

Words from some friends’ kid this evening:

“When you are protesting, the police’s job is to protect you; when you are rioting n looting, the police’s job is to protect others from you.”

When things get physical, you might get hurt. Make things physical, that’s in part on you.

inspectorudy | June 7, 2020 at 12:37 am

This is to Professor Jacobson. I am sorry that I am leaving this site. It has been taken over by people who have no respect for law and order or any compassion for their fellow humans. I have supported this site for two years with my money but it has become a sewer of hard-right idiots/trolls whom I hope never gain any power over their fellow man. It is goodbye and I hope you prosper because you do good work and show the way of the righteous.

    TX-rifraph in reply to inspectorudy. | June 7, 2020 at 10:41 am

    “It has been taken over by people who have no respect for law and order or any compassion for their fellow humans.”
    “… it has become a sewer of hard-right idiots/trolls.”

    Both assertions are demonstrably false. However, we do agree that I hope to never gain any power over my fellow man. I really do believe in individual freedom to make choices but not a pass to escape the consequences of those choices.

    TX-rifraph in reply to inspectorudy. | June 7, 2020 at 11:27 am

    I also find it interesting that you use the word “power” rather than “authority.”

    Power applies more in politics whereas authority applies more in law enforcement. Power receives a more subjective analysis (more results) whereas authority receives a more objective analysis (more process). The two words do not mean the same thing. Perhaps you are conflating the two words and their respective meanings or perhaps not.

    Mac45 in reply to inspectorudy. | June 7, 2020 at 1:45 pm

    Inspector,

    I do not know if anyone will miss you or not. However, the whole purpose of forums is to allow for divergent ideas and points of view. You may agree with some and disagree with others. But, the forum gives you an opportunity to, not only be exposed to the ideas and outlooks of others, but to influence others to your viewpoint.

    Where some people have problems with such intercourse is when they argue from an emotional standpoint, rather than one of logic, reason and fact. when they emotionally identify with one side of the argument or another, they are lost.

    In this case, thacts afre that the old man was given an order to move from the plaza. For whatever reason he did not follow that order. He then closed upon a LEO, who was engaged in moving people out of the plaza, and blocked his progress. He then reached out toward the officer in a suspicious, if not a menacing manner, given events in other demonstrations. In order to create distance between him and the officer he was blocking, the officer next to him pushed the old man back. The old man fell backward and, allegedly, hit his head. Now based upon these facts, as we know them, and applying logic to the situation, who was largely responsible for any injuries that the old man sustained? That is correct, it was the old man.
    1) he failed to obey a lawful police order.
    2) he voluntarily moved into close proximity with a LEO engaged in his duty.
    3) he block the officer;s path, thereby interfering with that lawful police duty.
    4) he reached toward the officer in what was a suspicious manner.

    So, why were the officers not justified in pushing him away? Think about it.

The guy shouldn’t have approached the cops … but you guys? … you guys are nuts.

So tell me, inspector and podken, what exactly should police do when their orders are to clear a space and someone refuses an order to move? And are you seriously saying that their response should be different based on the person’s age?!

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