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First Ukraine Whistleblower falling apart, so media inventing a Second Whistleblower

First Ukraine Whistleblower falling apart, so media inventing a Second Whistleblower

NY Times supposed bombshell: Someone is thinking about filing a second Ukraine whistleblower complaint but has not done so, and may not need to do so since he or she already has been interviewed.

The New York Times is continuing the tradition of the Russia collusion media frenzy, where every few days a new media “bombshell” was launched, only to be revealed as a dud. By the time the bombshell was debunked, a new media bombshell was launched, hence a new news cycle.

It was the permanent crisis news cycle:

Since Mueller was appointed in May 2017, after James Comey was fired as FBI Director, we have been in a perpetual 3-5 day “scoop” news cycle based on the Mueller probe.

For over a year barely a week goes by that some publication doesn’t publish a “scoop” about what Mueller is thinking, who his team is talking to, what they might do or might not do, and so on. The Mueller probe is the media gift that keeps giving, usually based on anonymous sources.

Just as each breathless and frequently demonstrably inaccurate media firestorm has died down — Wait, another Big Scoop. Let’s start a new news cycle. It never ends, and will not end so long as Mueller is investigating Trump, whether Trump is a “subject” or a “target” or something else.

The nation has suffered this media-driven Mueller probe gaslighting ….

It’s happening again.

The case for the First “Whistleblower” is falling apart, with the revelation of previously undisclosed pre-complaint communications with Adam Schiff’s office, damaging testimony from the recently resigned special envoy to Ukraine, and above all, the release of the complaint itself which demonstrated it was a professionally prepared legal brief and closing argument not a true whistleblower revelation.

Now the media is in search of a new whistleblower, and the NY Times has found one to create another news cycle. Except this Second Whistleblower has not filed a whistleblower complaint, but is only thinking about it according the the Times’ sources. Seriously.

This “bombshell” is lighting up Twitter and will dominate the news for the weekend, 2nd Official Is Weighing Whether to Blow the Whistle on Trump’s Ukraine Dealings:

A second intelligence official who was alarmed by President Trump’s dealings with Ukraine is weighing whether to file his own formal whistle-blower complaint and testify to Congress, according to two people briefed on the matter.

The official has more direct information about the events than the first whistle-blower, whose complaint that Mr. Trump was using his power to get Ukraine to investigate his political rivals touched off an impeachment inquiry. The second official is among those interviewed by the intelligence community inspector general to corroborate the allegations of the original whistle-blower, one of the people said.

The inspector general, Michael Atkinson, briefed lawmakers privately on Friday about how he substantiated the whistle-blower’s account. It was not clear whether he told lawmakers that the second official is considering filing a complaint.

A new complaint, particularly from someone closer to the events, would potentially add further credibility to the account of the first whistle-blower, a C.I.A. officer who was detailed to the National Security Council at one point….

Got that? Someone is thinking about filing a whistleblower complaint but has not done so, and may not need to do so since he or she already has been interviewed.

Such a person would not, under any circumstances, be a real whistleblower — the person is not revealing anything new and is merely a witness to someone else’s complaint. It’s a media hoax to assign the term “whistleblower” to such a person, but it creates a new news cycle.

Yet within minutes of the 8:38 p.m. publication of the report by the NY Times tonight, this supposed second whistleblower was being hailed as the end of Trump.

Just more manipulation.

But maybe the media Russia collusion hoax isn’t the best analogy:

“Crazy how this is mimicking the Kavanaugh accusations. By Sunday Michael Avenatti will be holding a press conference talking about a third whistleblower.”


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The CIA huh? If they continue to swing and miss, they may find themselves burned to the ground.

Morning Sunshine | October 4, 2019 at 10:39 pm

“When you strike at a king, you must kill him.”

― Ralph Waldo Emerson

not saying Trump is a king, but the sentiment fits. The deep state keeps striking and missing, and the people are starting to wake up to the hits.

    and we are seeing the results of that metaphor in reverse. Trump came to town boasting about draining the swamp and his failure to do so is the cause of his current predicament

      Barry in reply to MarkS. | October 5, 2019 at 9:39 am

      You know you’re FOS.

      Trump has done more than anyone not a neverTrumper thought remotely possible.

      You’re the Walter Cronkite twin, claiming defeat when we have an overwhelming victory. Or, as in this case, claiming defeat while in the midst of the war.

      Everyone here recognizes you for what you are.

        MarkS in reply to Barry. | October 5, 2019 at 10:01 am

        Trump has done absolutely nothing to “drain the swamp”! No of his antagonizers of the 2016 campaign or since have faced an iota of inconvenience for their deeds

          moonmoth in reply to MarkS. | October 5, 2019 at 10:14 am

          I wouldn’t go so far as to say that he’s done “absolutely nothing” to drain the swamp, but on the whole, I agree with you. The fact remains that despite promising to drain the swamp, Hillary is still free as a bird, and the DOJ and State Department are fighting Judicial Watch in court to continue protecting her and her fellow traitors.

          moonmoth in reply to MarkS. | October 5, 2019 at 10:16 am

          Correction: I meant to say “Despite Trump’s promise to drain the swamp, …”

          Barry in reply to MarkS. | October 5, 2019 at 11:34 am

          You’re too dumb to recognize the truth.

          It takes time to defeat an entire federal government of crooks built up over the last hundred years.

          Trump would like to set the ship straight without sinking it, and that is a difficult task. You are not going to understand any part of it. That requires a bit of intelligence.

          alaskabob in reply to MarkS. | October 5, 2019 at 11:53 am

          Can it first be agreed upon that the depth and size of the Deep State was greater then we understood? The swamp is a community with a culture not a small select group. That said …draining a swamp concentrates swamp critters and one has to also get rid of the dirty water.

          Tom Servo in reply to MarkS. | October 5, 2019 at 12:20 pm


          McCabe, fired
          Comey, Fired
          Brennan, fired
          Clapper, Fired
          Strozk, fired
          Page, resigned
          Mueller, retired
          Weissman, resigned
          Rosenstein, resigned
          Jeff Flake, gone
          Bob Corker, gone
          Paul Ryan, gone
          John McCain, dead

          that’s hardly nothing.

          notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to MarkS. | October 5, 2019 at 12:28 pm

          WAY TO GO TOM!!!!!

          Plus all those wonderful Judical Appointments!!!!!!!!!!!

          MarkS in reply to MarkS. | October 5, 2019 at 2:57 pm

          Hey Tom, what exactly did Trump have to do with McCain being dead?

    notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to Morning Sunshine. | October 5, 2019 at 11:21 am

    Psalm 63:11
    But the king will rejoice in God; all who swear by God will glory in him, while the mouths of liars will be silenced.

“The official has more direct information about the events than the first whistle-blower,… ”

Sounds silly to me. The first stooge had NO direct information.

“The second official is among those interviewed by the intelligence community inspector general to corroborate the allegations of the original whistle-blower”

The “second whistleblower” realizes that the first whistleblower outed him as a leaker and is looking for a way to protect himself.

    Hm. Could I be reading a little too much into this to presume this ‘second whistlebower’ is one of the two sources the first whistleblower passed along?

    Let’s call him Fred for now, and WB#1 Bob, just for reference.

    So Fred used Bob to pass along his bogus charges under the wild misconception that he would be able to keep anonymous. Then Bob goes and finks on Fred. Now Fred is stuck with having to make up something that at least sounds believable and won’t wind up getting him chucked into jail for perjury. Poor Fred.

      Sort of my take. #2 is #1s source for what was on the call. 2 passes it to 1. 1 takes it and runs with it but has to identify to the IG as part of the preliminary review who his source is so he can verify that a valid/credible source actually exists. He’s at least briefly interviewed to see if he has the access #1 claims and his name is now in the file.

      Then Trump points out that leakers aren’t whistleblowers and the pucker factor goes up.

      I don’t think he’s going to make anything up that he hasn’t already and there’s no threat of perjury because he never attested to anything on paper or under oath. But he’s still looking at mishandling of classified information at a minimum.

      This is why if you think you have incriminating information you keep it to your own darn self and work the appropriate system directly.

Comanche Voter | October 4, 2019 at 11:07 pm

I look at this mess—Adam Schiff and Pelosi see that Whistleblower #1 has stepped to the plate and whiffed–so now Adam looks at his bench of willing stooges and calls for Whistleblower #2.

It reminds me of a plaintive question asked in the early 1960’s by a manager of the then truly awful New York Mets. The manager shook his head and said, “Can’t anybody here play this game?”

It may be time for Madame Pelosi as “General Manager” to yank Adam Schiff as field manager. He’s not getting the job done.

If enough is flung against the wall, some may start to stick. The Dems/Progs/media are really reaching for this. If they weren’t so diabolical it would be funny.

They still cannot believe the smartest person in the world lost a rigged election to a person who never held elected office.

    Barry in reply to Romey. | October 5, 2019 at 1:10 am

    “some may start to stick”

    3 years of this and nothing, not one thing, not even a late parking ticket has “stuck”.

    Trump is the most honest person DC has ever seen since around 1800.

      notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to Barry. | October 5, 2019 at 12:13 pm

      And the running with the same old plays AGAIN AND AGAIN!

      They’s their 2-year old mental development and emotional quotient.

BiteYourTongue | October 5, 2019 at 12:29 am

I was wondering when the copy cats would show up. Julie Swetnick is that you again.

So now we have another CIA patsy to prosecute for illegal domestic surveillance.

    MarkS in reply to txvet2. | October 5, 2019 at 7:56 am

    That’s the problem, Trump says that this should never happen to another president, yet provides no disincentive for his tormenters to stop

      Barry in reply to MarkS. | October 5, 2019 at 9:43 am

      The real problem is ignorant buffoons that run their mouths and have nothing to say.

        MarkS in reply to Barry. | October 5, 2019 at 10:03 am

        Barry, you seem to have gotten up on the wrong side of the bed this beautiful Saturday morning! Instead of juvenile name calling, can you site where I am wrong?

          Barry in reply to MarkS. | October 5, 2019 at 11:37 am

          You are too ignorant to understand anything being reported.

          It’s not my job to take on the impossible task of educating you.

Trump 1,712. Deep State 1.

(They got Mike Flynn, but that score is still under review).

    OweCmon in reply to PrincetonAl. | October 5, 2019 at 7:25 am

    When is all this crap going to end Mr. Jacobson? Is this our lot, as Americans to daily observe and then respond rationally to the constant attempts at framing our President for misdeeds that were actually committed by the MSM and Democrats? I’m grinding my teeth, pulling my hair out, indulging in adult beverages more frequently than ever, and even raising my voice to Congressional and Senate staffers on the phone! To what end?

I am hearing about the second whistle blower and their testimony. The information being released states the whistle blower has absolute proof and witnesses as to what happened. They aren’t really sure of where exactly it happened or where or when it happened, but it did. Their witnesses have all stated that don’t know or remember anything about the event being described, but they are somewhat certain it did actually happen. Further reports stated that the witness was so devastated over what they had witnessed that they had to undergo extensive counseling to get over it. Even then, they thought long and hard after going to a prominent Democratic Senator to lay out their case to see if it was important enough to warrant whistle blowing. Given that the whistle blower is a minority female, there can be little question as to the veracity of their claims. /s

With such a weak case (well, really no case whatsoever that I can see) they are stuck with rolling out multiple “witnesses” who didn’t know much of anything but are part of the Hillary/Obama/Brennan brigade (this has the stench of Brennan all over it, in my opinion) to make the case that “with so many complaining” it must be sort of true.
I still am wondering who made the call to Nancy to force her to back this non-impeachment impeachment? Soros, Barry Soetoro, Hillary seem high on the list. I think B.S. is the more likely, and he got his orders from Jarrett or Soros.
With Mad Max calling for M’Peach Fody Fie since nearly day one after the election, this seems like it was inevitable.
The leftist base has been with them from then too. Even if you point out you need a crime of some sort, and beating Hillary despite her fraud machine working hard for her just doesn’t rise to even a misdemeanor.
Savage was right ages ago when he said Liberalism is a mental disorder. Their thinking has become so convoluted you can’t begin to put the pieces of this puzzled mind together.

Is there a point where this becomes sedition?

ScottTheEngineer | October 5, 2019 at 9:12 am

Confused? He’s my perspective.
-Joe Biden threatens to withhold a billion dollars of U.S. taxpayers gift to the Ukrainian government if they don’t fire a prosecutor that’s looking into corruption at a Ukrainian oil company where his Junky son is on the board of directors; Even though he’s absolutely unqualified to do anything but be Joe Bidens son. (Also, his name is Hunter. I’ve never met anyone named Hunter that wasn’t a total piece of shit. It’s like giving your daughter a stripper name like Chastity or Candy. So many bad decisions…)

2016 election.
-Wikileaks releases emails and other information provided to them by some unknown person showing that the DNC is colluding with Hillary Clinton to prevent Bernie Sanders from getting the nomination.
– The FBI opens an investigation into Donald Trumps campaign based on a report from a British spy that has information collected from a Ukrainian source that “Details” information about something Donald Trump supposedly did in Russia. None of which actually happened.
-The FBI is 100% certain that the information given to Wikileaks came from a Russian computer hacker because even though they’ve never looked at the actual computer system they were told by a Ukrainian security company that the Russians did it.
– partisan FBI agents start leaking “damning” information to the press about the Trump campaign. None of which is either true, illegal or even damning.
-Some of the FBI agents are fired or reassigned.
– The media comes out with a new report almost daily that the end of Trump is nigh and if not then the world will come to an end because of global warming. One way or another the only solution to the worlds problems is a socialist one world government.
– Mueller report is finally released showing no crimes were committed. 30 million down the toilet and I still live on a dirt road.

-“whistleblower” releases a report that contains second hand information from several different people about Trump threatening to withhold aid to the Ukrainians if they don’t agree to cooperate with the AG into a current corruption investigation. Transcripts of the call are released showing the this in fact never actually occurred.

– The democrat front runner and the DNC are incensed that there is an investigation because of the coming election. therefore they need to impeach Trump before the AG investigation is completed which will show just how corrupt their current favorite nominee is.

-The media in this country attack Trump non-stop. I don’t believe it has anything to do with Trump as they did the same thing to George Bush or any other Republican that would have won.

-It’s all about the socialism.

    ” I don’t believe it has anything to do with Trump as they did the same thing to George Bush…”

    Just a minor correction – No, George Bush (either) is one of them. While they played the game of tar the republican with Bush, they did not use tens of millions of taxpayer dollars and the FBI, DOJ, and intelligence agencies to try and frame him and remove him from office.

    Correction, that is a major correction.

      notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to Barry. | October 5, 2019 at 11:25 am


      ScottTheEngineer in reply to Barry. | October 5, 2019 at 5:10 pm

      I 100% agree with you. However, they did not have the same infrastructure in place when Bush was in. Lot of changes took place over the 8 years before Trump took office.

        OK, understood.

        The basics of corruption were already in place. The zero administration completed the takeover and finalized the corruption.

        Don’t forget 8 years of the Clinton crime family working in the swamp.

The claim of a second source who has complete knowledge but won’t reveal himself is a classic conspiracy theory move.

“We have absolute proof but you will never see the evidence because the source is afraid of the consequences. BUT, it is ABSOLUTE proof!”

The beauty of making such claims is that because the source is never revealed the claims cannot be disproved.

MY sources say that THIS second source is the great grandson of the source who secretly revealed that the moon landing was faked.

Bill, perhaps you or Leslie would comment on these —

First, that Paul Pelosi, Jr., has a skanky relationship with a Ukrainian oil company

Second, that Adam Schiff also has a skanky relationship with a Ukrainian financier

I’m waiting for President Trump to point these out.

    You can add that the #1 country for contributions bribes to the clintoon foundation is –


    notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to stevewhitemd. | October 5, 2019 at 11:42 am

    Have you seen this article?

    “…I can state unequivocally that Burisma is the centre of Ukraine corruption and the Democrats’ shadow organisation for corrupt activities. I live in Eastern Europe (Poland) and my sources are first-hand….

    Burisma Holdings is the hub of U.S. Democrat activities to corrupt both Ukraine and American politics and there is proof. Ukraine President Zelenskyy’s win surprised both Brennan and Black’s Deep State ops as much as Trump’s did in 2016 in America….”

    notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to stevewhitemd. | October 5, 2019 at 12:02 pm


    Patrick Howley @HowleyReporter

    BOOM: Nancy Pelosi’s son Paul Pelosi Jr. (who went to Ukraine in 2017) was a board member of Viscoil and executive at its related company NRGLab, which DID ENERGY Business in UKRAINE!

    And Nancy Pelosi appeared in a promotional video for the company!

    notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to stevewhitemd. | October 5, 2019 at 12:04 pm

    Interesting articles Steve.


    “Schiff’s ties to a wealthy Russian-American businessman doing business in Ukraine have recently come to light. Igor Pasternak is CEO of Worldwide Aeros Corp., a company that makes blimps for the military and commercial sectors. The company also makes a modified version of the M4 and M16 rifles that are manufactured in Ukraine. His connection to Pasternak, who is doing business with the Ukrainian government, could be construed as being a conflict of interest in his committee’s investigation.”

    notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to stevewhitemd. | October 5, 2019 at 12:26 pm

    TV ad with Pelosi’s son promoting Ukraine company.

    Patrick Howley @HowleyReporter

    BOOM: Nancy Pelosi’s son Paul Pelosi Jr. (who went to Ukraine in 2017) was a board member of Viscoil and executive at its related company NRGLab, which DID ENERGY Business in UKRAINE!

    And Nancy Pelosi appeared in a promotional video for the company!

‘Wistleblower’ is another chimara created and sponsored by the government to justify the government’s incestuous relations with its own elections.

A little over the top, but it is what it is . . . and it’s bigger than all of us:

(Where’s Bill Barr?)

Back in the old days when we poor ignorant fools had little access to information, the idea of someone crying “wolf” over and over and over again just would not have been accepted.

Now the youngsters with all their “devices” seem to accept anything that their tiny little brains have been indoctrinated to believe. Sadly a lot of folks old enough to know better do too.

“Orange man bad” tops the list.

Trump’s Pinoccio tweet about Schiff’s dishonesty is master trolling from another dimension.

It’s extremely effective and hillarious!

notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital | October 5, 2019 at 2:06 pm

Impeachment Drama Is Backfiring: Watch Michigan Voter Tell CNN He’s Changing His Vote To Trump Because Of Dem Charade

    notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital. | October 5, 2019 at 2:08 pm


    “I can only speak for myself, but this whole impeachment mess and gun grabbing talk has made me want to be politically active for the first time since I was able to vote in 1980. I’ve never worked for a political campaign before but I will volunteer to work for for whoever will be opposing…..”

notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital | October 5, 2019 at 3:03 pm

Impeachment Heist

The latest effort to undo the 2016 election through crookedness and deceit.

…according to two people briefed on the matter.

So, a slightly riskier version of “Sources say…” or “Some have said…”

I generally assume the “people briefed on the matter” are the reporter and the editor.

notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital | October 5, 2019 at 3:23 pm

” When Obama left office, he left in place a mechanism designed to lead to Trump’s impeachment: The revelations of the intel community about Russian collusion with the incoming president.

Now that those are debunked by the very prosecutor hired to prove them, this same crowd, these same folks, have shifted their emphasis to the Ukraine scandal.”

By Sunday, there will be gang-blow-whistling led by Schiffhead.

This is more “Look Squirrel!” tactics by the Democrats.
They are desperate to avoid people connecting the dots.
Not a big Glenn Beck fan, but his attempt to connect the dots here is noteworthy:

notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital | October 5, 2019 at 4:24 pm

President Trump is going after the Uni-Party weasels that are all in on this impeachment!

God Bless You President Trump!

Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
5h5 hours ago

Somebody please wake up Mitt Romney and tell him that my conversation with the Ukrainian President was a congenial and very appropriate one, and my statement on China pertained to corruption, not politics. If Mitt worked this hard on Obama, he could have won. Sadly, he choked!

Mitt Romney never knew how to win. He is a pompous “ass” who has been fighting me from the beginning, except when he begged me for my endorsement for his Senate run (I gave it to him), and when he begged me to be Secretary of State (I didn’t give it to him). He is so bad for R’s!

Barry, you said, “It takes time to defeat an entire federal government of crooks built up over the last hundred years.”

True. All the more reason for Trump to spend less time on Twitter battles with twerps like Beto, and more time checking up on the shenanigans that his DOJ and State Department are pulling to protect Hillary in Judicial Watch’s lawsuits.

    Barry in reply to moonmoth. | October 6, 2019 at 11:01 am

    Look, when you don’t understand how to use the tools of battle and war, perhaps it is best you don’t type and look foolish.

    Perhaps, you should spend less time trying to prove you are correct that the president is a bad person and understand the magnitude of the job, and the fact that the president can engage in more than one thing at a time, or that there are political limits to what a president with a GOPe as bad as the commies can do.

    Answer this – How much time do you think it took to engage a beto in a twitter comment?

Somebody heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend who says Impeach Trump!