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Cherokee Nation: “Senator Warren is undermining tribal interests with her continued claims of tribal heritage.”

Cherokee Nation: “Senator Warren is undermining tribal interests with her continued claims of tribal heritage.”

“A DNA test is useless to determine tribal citizenship.”

Sen. Warren, call your office.

Monday, Sen. Elizabeth Warren released the results of a DNA test which shows she *might* have some Native American ancestry 6 to 10 generations ago. Might.

The Cherokee Nation has issued a statement rejecting Warren’s attempt to use DNA evidence to prove she’s Native American:

“A DNA test is useless to determine tribal citizenship. Current DNA tests do not even distinguish whether a person’s ancestors were indigenous to North or South America,” Cherokee Nation Secretary of State Chuck Hoskin, Jr. said. “Sovereign tribal national set their own legal requirements for citizenship, and while DNA tests can be used to determine lineage, such as paternity to an individual, it is not evidence for tribal affiliation. Using a DNA test to lay claim to any connection to the Cherokee Nation or any tribal nation, even vaguely, is inappropriate and wrong. It makes a mockery out of DNA tests and its legitimate uses while also dishonoring legitimate tribal governments and their citizens, whose ancestors are well documented and whose heritage is proven. Senator Warren is undermining tribal interests with her continued claims of tribal heritage.”

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“A DNA test is useless to determine tribal citizenship.”

Irrelevant. She never claimed tribal citizenship.

    That statement also mentions affiliation, connections (“even vaguely”) and so on, with the Cherokee. Her claim to Cherokee “heritage” lies somewhere within those goalposts.

    But sure, if you want to nitpick about the part quoted by Kaye to go right under the title of the post and ignore the Cherokee statement itself…

      Milhouse in reply to JBourque. | October 15, 2018 at 7:32 pm

      It’s not a nitpick, it’s the whole point. The tribal rules are irrelevant. If she is in fact of Indian extraction (which I am not convinced of), then that is a fact, and no arbitrary tribal rule can change it. If her cock-and-bull story about her father’s family forbidding her parents’ marriage because her mother’s family was publicly known to the townsfolk as “Injun” were true, then her claim would have been valid and no arbitrary tribal rule could change that. The only thing that tribal rules and regulations can affect is actual membership in the tribe, citizenship in the nation, and she never claimed to have that.

        carolmcl in reply to Milhouse. | October 15, 2018 at 8:37 pm

        Someone investigated newspapers from her parents’ time and found a notice of their engagement. Hardly likely if dad disapproved.

          Milhouse in reply to carolmcl. | October 15, 2018 at 10:07 pm

          There was no notice of engagement. They did “elope”. But the wedding announcement showed no sign of any tension. Now that doesn’t prove there wasn’t any. I know in my family there have been marriages that the parents didn’t approve of, but they gritted their teeth and kept up appearances. But the most obvious and likely reading of the circumstances is that the only objections were financial, so they solved it by driving to the next town, to a minister who knew both their families well, with family friends for witnesses, and then came immediately back home to have a small and affordable party.

    bw222 in reply to Milhouse. | October 15, 2018 at 8:13 pm

    Elizabeth Warren has claimed on several occasions that her parents had to elope because her mother was a Cherokee. Since she claimed her mother was a Cherokee, she is, in fact, claiming to be part Cherokee.

      JusticeDelivered in reply to bw222. | October 15, 2018 at 9:43 pm

      Claiming to be half when she is not even close.

      Milhouse in reply to bw222. | October 15, 2018 at 10:09 pm

      The elopement story is mostly bull. Her parents did technically elope, but not because of any racial tensions. However she never claimed that either she or her mother were members of the Cherokee nation. Just that they had enough “Injun” in them to make a difference.

        txvet2 in reply to Milhouse. | October 16, 2018 at 1:29 am

        That’s a lie. She identified herself as Cherokee many times. Trying to nitpick that as “membership” in the tribe is just dishonest.

          Milhouse in reply to txvet2. | October 16, 2018 at 2:07 am

          You’re the one trying to nitpick a claim of identifying as Cherokee into a claim of formal membership in the Cherokee Nation, so it’s good to see you acknowledge that this is dishonest. The distinction between Cherokee identity and legal membership is obvious and clear, and she never once made the latter claim. So if there’s a liar here (apart from Warren) it must be you.

          If someone says she’s Irish or German or Chinese, she is not claiming citizenship of the Republic of Ireland, the Federal Republic of Germany, or either the Republic or People’s Republic of China. On the other hand she is claiming more than a mere genetic profile that may or may not show a statistical likelihood that one great-great-great-great-great-grandparent had genetic markers similar to those found in descendants of a people who migrated from that country thousands of years ago.

          Milhouse in reply to txvet2. | October 16, 2018 at 2:10 am

          By the way, please remind me of the inconsistency you claimed to see between my comment on the CA motor voter announcement thread and a position I took some time ago. I don’t know what you meant by that.

she claimed she was part Indian (feather, not dot)

the real Indians aren’t buying any of it, but nice try at defending her, Millhouse.

This is hilarious:

Flashback: Watch Elizabeth Warren Lie about Her ‘Oppressed’ Parents Eloping Because Her Mother Was Cherokee:

The hacks didn’t even test it against actual Native American DNA.

They used Mexican, Peruvian and Colombian DNA as a reference.

    redc1c4 in reply to Olinser. | October 15, 2018 at 7:49 pm

    there is precious little to test against, since the Indian “leaders” (feather, not dot) have told their tribes to NOT cooperate with DNA research.

Maybe she should claim descent from Minnehaha. Ha.

The Cherokee have to squawk because they have a brand to protect, and they have to defend it or risk losing it; that doesn’t make it important to anybody else.

What I can’t figure out is why Warren released this DNA stuff at all. The whatever-it-is she’s just had measured is down in the noise level; meaning that she has no more of it than the average American. And, since the average American makes no claims to any significant Indian heritage, she’s not justified by the evidence in making any such claim either.

Which blows her whole thesis. She’s no more Indian than anyone else. So, what does she gain by admitting it?

    redc1c4 in reply to tom_swift. | October 15, 2018 at 7:52 pm

    who are you to question a Sooper Genius?

    pro tip: she actually has less extraneous DNA than the average American… she’s the Ivory Soap or white America

    Milhouse in reply to tom_swift. | October 15, 2018 at 7:57 pm

    She gains because most people don’t realize that. If she claims she’s been vindicated most people will think she must have been. They’ll also believe her false claim that he promised her $1M if she took the test and now he’s backing out of it. And they’ll believe that totally made-up story about her parents’ elopement.

      tom_swift in reply to Milhouse. | October 15, 2018 at 10:48 pm

      If she claims she’s been vindicated most people will think she must have been.

      But she doesn’t actually have to release anything reproducible or factual to make that claim. The same sorts who believed Ford’s silly testimony about Kavanaugh without a shred of evidence or corroboration will believe Warren’s groundless claims without hesitation. All today’s news will do is give those few Americans who still retain functional critical faculties solid reason to know she’s full of bananas. And although that won’t hurt all that much electorally, it can’t help either. So . . . why release it?

        Milhouse in reply to tom_swift. | October 16, 2018 at 2:14 am

        Because people are impressed by scientific reports, even if they’re gobbledegook. Now it’s not just her say-so, she’s got Scientific Proof™, so if Republicans deny it they’re the Anti-Science Party™. Just like all this global warmening nonsense, which people believe because after all 97% of Scientists™ can’t be wrong and if you contradict them you’re a Nazi. Or something.

    healthguyfsu in reply to tom_swift. | October 15, 2018 at 9:27 pm

    She gains because she is dominating headlines and stirring up debate and controversy. In essence, she or her handlers are emulating a Trump campaign strategy. I bet it hates them to think about that.

Liz Warren = Cherokee Indian
Rachel Dolezal = Black Woman
Shaun King = Black Man
Buraq HUSSEIN 0Bola = Pro-Israel
Snowstorms = Global Warming
Illegal Immigration = Rule of Law

Episodes in the ongoing Twilight Zone, Democrat Party Edition…….

Maybe Elizabeth Warren should enroll at Florida State or Central Michigan. Then she can claim to be a Seminole or a Chippewa.

Oooh Oooh Prof Tucker live right now!

A few years ago someone researched newspapers and found an engagement announcement for her parents. Doesn’t sound like the paternal grandparents would agree to that being printed if they were as upset as she’s always claiming they were…

    Milhouse in reply to carolmcl. | October 15, 2018 at 10:11 pm

    There was no engagement announcement. But there was an announcement after the “elopement” that does not comport with the spin she put on it.

JusticeDelivered | October 15, 2018 at 9:41 pm

Gee, I am only the 4th generation removed from a native American tribe. I rarely talk about it, I earned my own way, raised children well, and I expect others to do the same.

Culture counts while genes passed along by accident from prior carnal adventures is meaningless. Consider the adage; “Give me the infant and at age 7 I give you the adult.” Not exact but close enough to make a point.

Pocahontas is what she was raised to be and as she was acculturated after those formative years she learned how to game the system. Honorable folks shun the gimmedats and various methods of advancing ones’ self in society. She fit perfectly into the new-improved empowered USA female role and the Democratic party. Sadly, she DOES represent a rather large segment of the citizenry and thus we see the beginning of the eventual downfall of the Founders’ creation.

“Cherokee nation: Senator Warren is undermining tribal interests with her continued claims of tribal heritage”.

Senator Warren, not being affiliated with, or a member of, any recognized native American tribe and having no significant Native American DNA really doesn’t care. Just as is the case with a Black who identifies as, and attempts to pass as, White or a White who identifies as Black, in order to gain some societal advantage, this is all about Warren and her interests. It is really terribly sad.