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Senate Judiciary Committee Votes Yes on Kavanaugh, But Flake Wants to Delay Floor Vote

Senate Judiciary Committee Votes Yes on Kavanaugh, But Flake Wants to Delay Floor Vote

Flake wants to give the FBI a week to investigate

The Senate Judiciary Committee has voted yes on Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh.

However, Sen. Jeff Flake (R-AZ) has said he wants to delay the floor vote for a week. It sounds like he will only vote yes on the floor if the FBI investigates the sexual assault allegations for a week.

Mike Judge Agrees to Cooperate With FBI

Kavanaugh’s friend Mike Judge has agreed to cooperate with the FBI. From Fox News:

In a letter to Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, and Ranking Member Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., Friday, Mark Judge, denied the latest round of accusations brought against him and Kavanaugh by Julie Swetnick—the client of Stormy Daniels’ attorney Michael Avenatti.

Swetnick accused Kavanaugh and Judge of making unwanted sexual advances at women while at parties in high school in the early 1980s, drugging the “punch” at parties, and participating in “gang rapes” and “train rapes.” Swetnick claims she is a victim of gang rape, and said that both Judge and Kavanaugh were there to watch the incident.

“In response to the Committee’s request for information, I, MARK JUDGE, declare: The allegations in the Swetnick affidavit are so bizarre that, even while suffering from my addiction, I would remember actions so outlandish. I categorically deny them,” Judge, a recovering alcoholic, said in the letter.

“I do not know Julie Swetnick,” he continued. “I do not recall attending parties during 1981-1983 when I fondled or grabbed women in an aggressive or unwanted manner.”

Judge went on to say that he has “never spiked punch to get anyone drunk or disoriented.”

“Nor have I witnessed Brett Kavanaugh spike punch,” Judge wrote. “I have never engaged in any gang rape of any woman, including Ms. Swetnick.”

Judge said he would “cooperate with any law enforcement agency that is assigned to confidentially investigate these allegations,” and signed the statement “under penalty of felony.”

Senate Republicans Agree to Limited FBI Investigation

From The Washington Examiner:

Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, did not say when the Senate would hold a confirmation vote on Kavanaugh, but said he was optimistic a vote would happen. He also said the Senate would start the process by holding the first procedural vote on Kavanaugh Saturday at noon.

The investigation into Kavanaugh would end after “no later than one week,” Cornyn told reporters after a closed-door meeting with GOP lawmakers.

The Senate can’t force the FBI to open an investigation. But the Senate Judiciary Committee announced Friday afternoon it would ask the Trump administration to “instruct the FBI to conduct a supplemental FBI background investigation” into Kavanaugh, and the White House is expected to allow it in order to get the nominee through the Senate.

The investigation, a statement said, “would be limited to current credible allegations against the nominee and must be completed no later than one week from today.”

Ratings

Fox News blew away everyone.

Maybe It Will Work?

Murkowski, Manchin Agree With Flake

Trump Addresses Issue

Looks like Lindsey Graham will talk to Trump about this.

Flake Flakes

The vote went 11-10 along party lines.

The procedural vote is supposed to take place on Saturday and the final confirmation vote is scheduled on Tuesday.

We do not know if Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell will agree to these terms, but it wouldn’t shock me if he did, especially if Sens. Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski join Flake.

I need to stress that this is NOT an amendment. This is all informal and Flake just wanted to make his stance. He said he will ask the White House to ask the FBI to open an investigation.

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So the Dems got what they wanted and the Rs got NOTHING. So as usual a rotten deal for the Rs.

    notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to Northwoods. | September 28, 2018 at 2:40 pm

    Like Ford, Flake is a Fake.

    Women Rape Too!

    On the one hand, Judge Kavanaugh is out of Judiciary, which is a step forward.

    On the other hand, McConnell could have invoked a procedural rule and pulled it from Judiciary directly to the floor, rendering the Judiciary vote moot.

    On the shooting hand, opening an FBI investigation (it’ll take about 10 minutes: “We’ve dug into this guy six times and found nothing, you already have all the witness statements, you have zero evidence, and it’s not our jurisdiction. Unless you have something concrete and new, the investigation is hereby closed.”) will corner the Dems. It will either placate those who are on the fence (especially those from red states, and double-especially those up for re-election from red states), or let the Dems prove in the public sphere that nothing short of scorched-earth destruction of Brett Kavanaugh will placate them.

    If Senator Flake wasn’t asking for another week’s delay, I’d say he’s providing the Dems the tree, the rope, and detailed instructions on how to hang themselves.

    But he IS asking for that week, which demonstrates (to me, at least) that he’s more than a little complicit in the Dems’ #NeverTrump tactics.

    Just my $0.02.

      Matt_SE in reply to Archer. | September 28, 2018 at 2:52 pm

      On the other OTHER hand, if McConnell has the votes to push this through, it will be an opportunity to make sure Flake comes away with nothing:

      He will have all the enmity of the GOP base, but won’t get any reward from Democrats for derailing the process.

      McConnell should shore up his caucus and make every effort to get Manchin to commit.

        The only way there is a deal is if McConnell says so. Just thinking out loud but maybe the deal was to provide cover for Flake to vote Kavanaugh out of committee? If there is a deal, was it for an FBI investigation or for a week delay? The FBI can come back this afternoon and refile their previous reports and declare that part of the deal satisfied. No delay required. No deal.

        It all boils down to whether McConnell can secure the votes this week-end and there are several other factors in play as well:

        1. Pending veto of spending bill

        2. Campaign dollars for Collins/Murkowski

        3. Rosenstein/Trump meeting
        ………a. Is there a deal regarding FISA memos?
        ………b. What will those memos reveal that could impact …………the senators?

        4. Committee assignments next year and other such perks.

        It really is in McConnell’s hands and Trump seems to be an active player in this. All we see is the circus but there is a poker game being played here too.

          Another possibility. Flake was under intense pressure this morning by Democrats seeing him as the weak vote. What if Flake cutting this deal was a strategy to get this out of committee saving today and getting the clock started for next week’s confirmation vote? That’s four days saved.

          FBI refuses to start another investigation. Four days still saved.

          Then Monday, McConnell fulfills his end of the kabuki by “stabbing” Flake in the back? No delay. Vote goes on as scheduled amid the usual frenzied chaos.

          What does Flake have to lose by agreeing to this ruse? What does he gain by stalling the committee vote? What leverage does he have to protect himself if it wasn’t a ruse and gets screwed by McConnell?

          It could very well be that Flake’s course of action was the path of least resistance that saved at least four days.

          HarvardPhD in reply to Pasadena Phil. | September 28, 2018 at 5:52 pm

          Man, are you ever the optimist!! Do you also think that Sen. Feinstein has been acting in good faith? That there is some good in everyone?

        Joe-dallas in reply to Matt_SE. | September 28, 2018 at 4:30 pm

        At this point – Because Flake has been a prick

        It is probably best to go through with the “FBI Investigation”

        A) To demonstrate that a quasi law enforcement agency could find nothing, and

        B) placate the middle of the road/independents, and

        C) show to the middle of the road/independents, that it was a BS political stunt by the progressives.

        The progressives were all going to vote No anyway, with or without an FBI exoneration

        Barry in reply to Matt_SE. | September 28, 2018 at 8:59 pm

        Manchin will not be the 50th vote. He’s done if he votes no, he’s done if he votes yes as the 50th. He needs 50 R votes so he can vote yes.

      forksdad in reply to Archer. | September 28, 2018 at 3:43 pm

      You can’t paint this as any kind of win for the Republicans. The lame duck flake shows he still has pull the swamp deep rinos show their true allegiance and the GOPe show their yellow stripe a mile wide down their backs.

      They’ve shown that at the least they can delay a judge until he loses a season of selection for cases. That’s not nothing. They’ve shown the establishment will treat any sexual innuendo as worthy of belief no matter how utterly ridiculous. They’ve shown they’ll crawl on their bellies rather than call another senator on low down, rotten, dirty tricks.

      They’ve proven Republicans have no spine and without kavanaugh’s guts this would have turned out differently. A few more victories like this and Trump might well be our last real president.

    AmandaFitz in reply to Northwoods. | September 28, 2018 at 5:15 pm

    I am a 69 year old woman who went to Holton-Arms in 1966.

    I am totally DISGUSTED with Jeff Flake, Lisa Murkowski and Susan Collins! Particularly, FLAKE!

    Just remember, all of you, “What goes around, comes around” and Y.E.T. applies to YOU- You’re Eligible, Too!

    Remember the words of the Duke Lacrosse captain, “You have all been told some FANTASTIC LIES!”

Was to be expected.

This is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. You can’t put a timeline on an investigation. The D’s wouldn’t be satisfied in a week. They’d say the FBI needs more time to dig up stuff (because there’s nothing substantive to dig on, so naturally they have to keep looking for a needle in a haystack).

Help. Help! HELP! Would some kind person have mercy on me. I’m of the understanding that a copy of Ford’s letter was sent to the FBI. It was reviewed and noted there was no action to be taken. Their report was filed with Kavanaugh’s file and sent to the White House.

If this is wrong, then I stand corrected. If it is correct, then what in the world is the FBI going to investigate, because Ford’s testimony didn’t seem to add but very little beyond the letter.

    You are correct. The FBI did receive a copy and filed it. There was no action to be taken.

      DieJustAsHappy in reply to MAB. | September 28, 2018 at 2:19 pm

      MAB, thank you. It puzzles me, therefore, as to exactly what the FBI is going to investigate.
      I trying to remember who called D.C. “Crazytown,” ’cause it sure is!

    As I said above, the White House can ask the FBI to open an(other) investigation.

    Properly handled, it won’t take a week. More like 10 minutes. The sum-up will look like this: “We’ve dug into this guy six times and found nothing, you already have all the witness statements, you have zero evidence, and it’s not our jurisdiction. Unless you have something concrete and new, the investigation is hereby closed. Again.”

    Hell, Trump could ask the FBI to open an investigation, note that there’s nothing new to report, and as there’s nothing new to report, also ask that it be IMMEDIATELY CLOSED.

    Then he’s asked. The Dems get what they say they want, and find themselves in possession of even more rope with which to hang themselves.

      amatuerwrangler in reply to Archer. | September 28, 2018 at 3:53 pm

      Wait! You think President Trump should call on the FBI to do a quick investigation so his nominee can be confirmed? What color is the sky on your planet?

      The FBI is full of people who worked hard to obstruct Trump’s campaign and then morphed into a resistance enabler post-election. There are people there who will be happy to slow-roll this into the next millennium if you give them a chance. They are not the honest, unbiased investigative agency their PR people want use to believe they are. And the Dems know it…

      This is a “throw me in the brier patch” moment for them…

        Trump just did. A time- and scope-limited investigation into the most credible of the current accusations (namely, Dr. Ford’s), covering ONLY what was alleged in the Senate hearings, and lasting no longer than a week.

        I think this is a smart move. It won’t become a second Mueller/Russia probe (with its ever-expanding scope and time-line), and there’s really not much credible or investigable in Ford’s testimony that’s not already known (as an aside, I noticed she did not make any actionable allegations that could become the basis of a future perjury charge). It should close pretty quickly, with not much effect.

        But it placates Flake and give the Dems exactly what they asked for. Ergo, if it’s not good enough for them, the problem is NOT with Trump, or Kavanaugh, or Grassley, or McConnell, or….

No. Delaying the vote could only be defended as a purely political move. One out of three vectors. Uncorroborated allegations. Changing story on who, where, and when. Time to move on.

Et tu Flake? This is how a republic can die at the hands of an egocentric weas!e.

Never a more aptly named senator. Who does he think he is?

Thank goodness he’s being retired – people in power today are leading this nation to ruin.

No matter the outcome the Dems are not voting for K so what does Flake think he’s accomplishing?

    Bucky Barkingham in reply to MarkS. | September 28, 2018 at 2:08 pm

    Flake knows that the Roll-Over Party can only afford to lose one yes vote so he is making a power play for some kind of ego trip I suppose. Since he won’t be running for his seat again he has nothing to lose.

Absurd!
Sit on it for 6 weeks and then ask for a delay of a week to investigate evidence that doesn’t exist and witnesses who have already sworn it didn’t happen?

I don’t particularly see a huge deal if the FBI is brought in, I honestly don’t see it changing what is known now, other than possibly setting up Ford for lying to an FBI agent. Even that wouldn’t go anywhere. Though the next step I see is the left and Flakey looking into doing the same thing all over with the other accusers, which are less credible than Ford.

I can’t stand Flake, PTL he will be gone soon.

    healthguyfsu in reply to oldgoat36. | September 28, 2018 at 2:13 pm

    See my post above. It’s an inch that the Dems will work for mileage. A dead end investigation that is forcibly left open for “more time” by pressure from above will drag on (with hopes of going past midterms for those pushing it).

    DieJustAsHappy in reply to oldgoat36. | September 28, 2018 at 2:25 pm

    I think of it as akin to a Mueller, only on a smaller scale. Well, at least to begin with.

Stop worrying, it has moved out of committee, that was today’s goal. McConnell will handle it from here. Flake will have changed his mind 10 times by tomorrow’s procedural vote.

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING THE FBI CAN UNCOVER! They can’t talk to witnesses who don’t exist. They can’t look for evidence after 36 years when there would have been little or nothing the day after the alleged crime happened (if they could even find out where and when.) Why are people SO stupid???

    But it will give the Dems time to fine tune their next play or accuser. They are experienced now and won’t need as much time.

      DieJustAsHappy in reply to MAB. | September 28, 2018 at 2:27 pm

      And, now they have material of and testimony from Kavanaugh that they didn’t have previously.
      “fine tune” is an accurate description.

    Sure. Turn it over to Joe Friday. “Just the facts, ma’am.”

    Didn’t they hear Mitchell? Not enough to prosecute, not even enough to issue a search warrant.

Let’s give the FBI one week to determine what every single sane, rational, fair-minded, non-totalitarian, and objective American already concluded, a long time ago, to wit:

this allegation is either transparently-contrived, as a venomous political slander committed by a partisan, attention-seeking, messianic, pro-abortion, pro-Dumb-o-crat sociopath, or, the accuser is outright delusional, or, the accuser has mistaken Judge K. for an actual assailant who will never be found.

These are all conclusions arrived at by a cursory analysis of facts, to say nothing of the accuser’s insanely tardy, nigh-four decade delay in stating her accusation.

Well, if the FBI does investigate and verify that Ford et al are lying, will they be referred to DOJ for a prosecution for perjury?

I didn’t know that Marty McFly and Emmitt “Doc” Brown now work for the FBI. These two agents will use their DeLorean time machine to travel back to 1982 (or, was it 1981, or, 1983?) to some month (given that the accuser only stated that the alleged attack happened “sometime in the summer”), locate a town in Maryland (given that the accuser can’t proffer a specific town), find the house that was the site of the alleged attack (as the accuser doesn’t know the address), interview witnesses, and, return to the present with their voluminous findings.

Trump will say no. Republicans are far beyond the stupid level.

    guyjones in reply to Elzorro. | September 28, 2018 at 2:43 pm

    POTUS has indicated his support. It’s the smartest play for him, politically. Appear totally reasonable and patient. He said he wanted “a good outcome for the country.” This is the best posture for him to assume.

    An FBI investigation is a ridiculous delay tactic, but, it will turn up bupkis. We all know that. All the witnesses to the alleged attack will simply adopt their prior statements. Nothing will change, from an evidentiary standpoint, except that the Dumb-o-crats will have their precious investigation, at last.

Request denied.

Flake is just grandstanding, he’s being a drama queen. Once the vote is taken, it’s entirely out of the committee’s hands, and it’s up to McConnell for how to proceed.

Ah, NOW Ford’s testimony under oath is fair game for investigation. Everything. As per Vietnam combat hero Sen. Blumie , lie once lie always.

jesus. name the FEDERAL crime committed that comes under FBI bailiwick.

First of all, listen to Graham he gave to interviews. He doesn’t seem worried and he has sort of taken the role of point man.

If I were Trump, McConnell, and Graham, I would get Wrey. Have him look over things and then tell Flake that there is nothing more to be done. End of story.

    Ulysses in reply to RodFC. | September 28, 2018 at 2:37 pm

    Flake is obviously very malleable. Flake voted YES in Committee despite not receiving the guarantee he wanted of an FBI investigation.

    Former President Bush (who is whipping this vote), Graham and McConnell will obviously speak to the Flake over the weekend. A NO vote is not just an insult to Trump. It is a direct insult to the Bush clan.

    Let push come to shove and see if is willing to burn all his bridges for some new fair weather leftist friends (a short lived gig at MSNBC).

This is nothing more than an opportunity for the Dems to indefinitely delay the Kavanaugh appointment. The FBI can have any investigation into the Ford case wrapped up by next Tuesday. And, it will not come to any conclusion. But, if they have to investigate the Ramiorez case, the Swetwell case and whatever other bogus cases crop up every other day for the foreseeable future, before a floor vote can be taken, then no floor vote will ever be taken.

The real problem lies in the fact that the FBI has no authority to investigate any of these cases. And, it has already said that would not bother to investigate the Ford case due to 1) a lack of jurisdiction and 2) a lack of any investigative leads. If the FBI stands by that position, then we might see a vote on Kavanuagh’s appointment next Tuesday.

This is nothing more than the Dems trying to buy time in hopes that the world ends before next Tuesday.

    alaskabob in reply to Mac45. | September 28, 2018 at 2:42 pm

    Watch Ford file complaint in Maryland. I would say this Monday. No down side for Ford. Worse case is admit she has problems.

      alaskabob in reply to alaskabob. | September 28, 2018 at 3:41 pm

      I will go further. Once complaint filed police will detain , book Kavanaugh and judge set bail. Police will submit findings to local prosecuted who will impanel grand jury. It’s Maryland! Optics..optics..optics. At that point we will have the 21st century equivalent of Dreyfus Affair…years and years. I may be way off base and cut me down to size on this please.

      MajorWood in reply to alaskabob. | September 28, 2018 at 6:03 pm

      I disagree with the worse case scenario. Mental problems are at best an explanation, they are NEVER an excuse. She should be taken to court for defamation of character, and if she uses mental illness as an excuse, should then be confined to a mental institution where she cannot cause harm to others. this is the downside which needs to be in place. You either accept the responsibility as a sane person would, or, you get the treatment that an insane person would get. In addition, I would name all of those who colluded with this clusterf%$* as accessories. If that doesn’t happen, then we will witness the same charade with Trump’s next two chances at appointments. As I heard earlier today, calling this a circus is an insult to clowns.

      Even on the suicide hotline we had limits in place to prevent us from being taken hostage by callers. If my old boss were in Grassley’s shoes, the next 72 hrs of Ford’s life would not be of her choosing.

    Exactly. It’s just a delaying tactic and also to continue to slime judge Kavanaugh in the court of public opinion.

    This is nothing more than the Dems trying to buy time in hopes that the world ends before next Tuesday.

    Correction: This is nothing more than Jeff Flake trying to buy the Dems time in hopes that the world ends before next Tuesday.

    As I’ve said, an FBI investigation at this point will be wrapped up in about 10 minutes. They’ve investigated him six times, the witness statements are already available, there’s no new evidence, and it’s not their jurisdiction. That leaves 9 1/2 minutes to write the official closing report.

    forksdad in reply to Mac45. | September 28, 2018 at 6:01 pm

    The delay is the win for the democrats. The longer, the uglier the better. They are the enemies of our Republic, what tattered remnants that are left, and they thrive on our destruction. They are the worms that eat the carcass, the flies that spawn from the maggots, the snails that make their home in the ribcage that was once our republic.

    They have won this round. May they choke on it.

Justice Roberts should delay the opening of this session until this is resolved.

At best, the opening is driving the timeline of an investigation. At worst, a spurious investigation is being demanded to alter the makeup of the court. Either way, better to delay the start and let things resolve.

HELL NO.

HOLD THE VOTE ON THE FLOOR OF THE SENATE.

Flake is less than useless. McConnell needs to lean on Collins and Murkowski, and say to hell with Flake

EVERY day that is delayed is a day where the Socialists and the Statists can damage our rights. To wit:
-Weyerhaeuser Company v. United States Fish and Wildlife Service (End. Spec. Act / 5th amendment takings issue)
-Mount Lemmon Fire District v. Guido (age Discrimination)
– Gundy v US (Does Sex Offender Registration and Notification Act’s delegation of authority to the US Atty Gen to issue regulations under 42 U.S.C. § 16913 violates the nondelegation doctrine).
– Madison v. Alabama (8th amendment execution case for individual that can’t remember the offense [and possibly became incompetent AFTER being convicted]). Implicates specifically “evolving standards of decency.”
– KNICK V. TOWNSHIP OF SCOTT (another Takings case, must individuals exhaust state-court remedies before seeking federal review, and can the Courts review takings facially based on the law by itself).
– New Prime Inc. v. Oliveira (Federal Arbitration Act regarding defining “Contracts of Employment” and if Independent Contractor Agreements are covered by that term)

If this goes a week LONGER, we get into:
– Stokeling v. United States (regarding definition of violent felony requirements for overcoming resisting force)
– UNITED STATES V. STITT / SIMS – regarding definition of burglary for non-permenant or mobile structures modified for sleeping, which will have impacts in the Oil Fields

THEN, ON WEDNESDAY OCTOBER 10 (this is the big one)

NIELSEN v. PREAP – Whether a criminal alien becomes exempt from mandatory detention under 8 U.S.C. § 1226(c) if, after the alien is released from criminal custody, the Department of Homeland Security does not take him into immigration custody immediately.

This case is on appeal from the 9th Circus, from a 3-Judge panel. In Preap v. Johnson, a three-judge panel of the Ninth Circuit held that the section 236(c) mandatory detention provision “applies only to those criminal aliens who are detained promptly after their release from criminal custody, not to those detained long after.” 831 F.3d at 1206. The Court found that the use of the word “when” in the statutory phrase “when the alien is released” entailed “some degree of immediacy.” Id. at 1203-04 (internal citation omitted). Because the Ninth Circuit determined that the statutory language was unambiguous, it did not proceed to the second step of Chevron analysis to determine whether the DHS’s differing interpretation of the statute was reasonable. Id. at 1203 n.14.

This is the Open-Borders Crowd’s hill to die on, because a split decision here, means that the 9th Circus interpretation will stand in the West regarding US CBP authority to pick up mandatory detention illegal immigrants that are released.

and

Air and Liquid Systems Corp. v. Devries – Whether products-liability defendants can be held liable under maritime law for injuries caused by products that they did not make, sell or distribute.

My guess is now the Democrats are desperately trying to minimum delay his seating at the Court past Wednesday October 10th, 2018 to retain that decision on detention in immigration cases, and futrher muddy the issue on illegal immigration.

Let me get this straight. You’re going to be satisfied with the results of a one week investigation of a crime with no definite time, date, or location by the same agency that conducted six background checks on a guy you’re sure as a teenager was a raging alcoholic who drugged and pimped out young girls for his classmates to gangrape, but never found any evidence of those activities?

Do I have to keep reminding you why electing RINOs is bad?
As long as Democrats remain in the minority, the RINOs are actually our biggest enemy.

They must be purged from the party, by any means necessary.

    RodFC in reply to Matt_SE. | September 28, 2018 at 2:56 pm

    Except that without the RINOs the Dems would be the majority. For example if it were not Collins, it would be another RINO or a dem.

    txvet2 in reply to Matt_SE. | September 28, 2018 at 3:15 pm

    They must be purged DURING THE PRIMARIES, not by electing Democrats. Do you seriously want a repeat of 2007-2010???

      Matt_SE in reply to txvet2. | September 28, 2018 at 4:18 pm

      Wow, that is a FANTASTIC IDEA!
      You should be proud to be the first person to think of that.

      OTOH, if that’s been tried for years and it’s found that it doesn’t really work, where does that leave us?

        txvet2 in reply to Matt_SE. | September 28, 2018 at 4:48 pm

        Obviously I’m not pretending to be the first person to think of this, but apparently you’re the last person who hasn’t heard it. It leaves us with working harder next time around to get rid of MORE RINOs. Sorry, but that’s the way the system works. The only alternative doesn’t work either – or were you sleeping during 2007-2010?

          Matt_SE in reply to txvet2. | September 28, 2018 at 7:45 pm

          Yeah, that’s the problem: we just didn’t try hard enough.
          Not that the process is hopelessly biased and you’ll never get anywhere by working within a rigged system.

          We just didn’t try hard enough.

        txvet2 in reply to Matt_SE. | September 28, 2018 at 4:51 pm

        And one more point – I’ve discovered something else: Most of the people who play this “Kill the RINOs and elect Democrats” card turn out to be Dem trolls. Just sayin’.

Funny this post used the word “stance” with regard to Flake, the most squishy of Squishy RINOs.

https://twitter.com/DDsModernLife/status/1045745658634924032

They will now come up with another one. Maybe like they find votes after close elections. How bout The Ford getaway driver comes forth. That would be good.

Why are none of the journalists asking the pertinent question of these obstructionists? Mr Coons, if we delay a week and the FBI finds no evidence of a crime, will you commit today that you will vote to confirm? No? Then you are just preening for the cameras?

    There are no journalists in the room. All present are members of the mainstream media (MSM).

    And the MSM is the propaganda arm of the Democrat party. They will NEVER ask hard questions of the Democrats.

DiFi had the means and opportunity to order an FBI investigation back in July.

The dems have no interest in the truth, they have to know an investigation will find nothing. All they want is more and more delays.

MaggotAtBroadAndWall | September 28, 2018 at 3:02 pm

The FBI got involved in the Anita Hill investigation before Hill’s accusations were made public. That enabled the FBI to conduct an investigation free from corruption.

This stinks. Getting the FBI involved now gives potential witnesses time to coordinate stories.

The way I see it, the risk is not with the four people Ford identified. Those people have already given sworn statements to the SJC. Their story is unlikely to change.

All the people the New Yorker and New York Times talked to about the Ramierez case have not made sworn statements. Their stories can change. Same with Avanetti’s client.

If the FBI does not confine the investigation to the Ford stuff, it seems to me this may be where the risk lies. Democrats are lying creeps who only care about power, as Graham correctly said. I expect more false accusations.

The Dems want more time to fake-up more allegations. Shameful.

    Even Flake knows that’s what Dems are going to do. He just pretends he doesn’t understand that point because Americans are much harsher with traitors than they are with fools.

Why can’t people see what’s actually going on here. The call for the FBI investigation is only a pretense for the Dems to huddle and trot out another alleged victim. Another “victim” means a further delay to investigate. Then another “victim” means another delay. This will be done until one of the R Senators says they have had enough and are voting “no”. That’s the whole point of this. Why do the people see this and our R lawmakers not see?

    alaskabob in reply to jaudio. | September 28, 2018 at 3:50 pm

    Senators here are weighing their vote for now much money and power they leverage for themselves. Murkowski is playing this for continued support outside Alaskan Republicans. She signed promise to abide by primary , lost and went write in to win. Her base is not Republican.

FBI will definitely say that they can only investigate subject to witness availibility. Am guessing Ford or someone important left on an extended vacation to parts unknown this morning.
Delay Delay Delay
So stinking obvious

In the history of civilization no individual has ever been more aptly named than Flake

What they see is angry voters they are afraid of. Until and unless some clear trend emerges in each senator’s state, they are scared of taking a stand. It isn’t a question of principle, nor is it a question of law, it’s a question of fear of reprisal. The only way to herd them is to make sure that the downside of voting ‘No’ is greater than the downside for voting ‘Yes.’

This is what comes of bringing ‘the People’ in to decide on a question for which almost none of them are qualified: whomever shouts the loudest wins.

The correct resolution to Ms Ford’s allegations are a trial. All she has to do is go file a report in Maryland and the things start to happen. In this case probably nothing much unless Marilyn Mosby is still at work.

Still, an FBI investigation which allows the Senate to act has judge and jury while they smear Judge Kavanaugh for another month or two has an appeal to certain members of the political class.

    stablesort in reply to stablesort. | September 28, 2018 at 3:54 pm

    On the other hand, since Ms Ford doesn’t know where it happened, she wouldn’t know where to file would she?

    According to Washington Post attempted rape pre 1996 in Maryland was a misdemeanor with a one year statute of limitations,if that prevents a charge

I think this is important to remember at this point.
After yesterday any Dem relying on any kind of Republican support coming out, voting against Kavanaugh is not going to get that support. Any RINO voting against Kavanaugh is no longer going to be a RINO.

After Graham and Kavanaugh’s testimony, anyone coming out against Kavanaugh is burning their bridges with both the Trump faction and the Bush faction of the GOP.

It’s their reelection, things they can accomplish in their government roles, lobbying jobs they can get afterward that they risk.

    There may be some silver linings to enjoy here.

    1) The FBI will not be looking at new allegations.
    2) The Senate remains in place for an additional week…holding up DEMS who need to hit the campaign trail.

    https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/1045769320545087495

      DieJustAsHappy in reply to Leslie Eastman. | September 28, 2018 at 5:02 pm

      I do hope and pray you’re right. I really do. However, Shake n’ Flake has helped to enable a process that has the potential of opening up any number of potential avenues, despite claims to the opposite.

      Something new will in no way ignored, not by the Demin-crats and must certainly not by the media. The Demon-crats keep moving the line and the Re-fubs continually go along. I don’t buy the limited investigation, not at all.

      Massinsanity in reply to Leslie Eastman. | September 28, 2018 at 5:25 pm

      When they say they won’t look at new allegations does that mean they are just covering the Ford matter or all 3 current accusations?

      Of course if new allegations arise then the Dems will say that those need to be investigated as well so there must be another delay.

      On net I think this increases risk though it may work out.

    One final thought:

    “An interesting point here. If the FBI CLEARS Kavanaugh after a week and Democrat Senators STILL vote no, they appear hyper-partisan and anti-due process right before the midterms. The more I think about this, this is a major trap for Democrats.”

    https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/1045772531939110913

      democrats would not do this if they did not already have a plot in place. Turtle man will not get the wimmin’

      It’s my understanding that the FBI only investigates, but does not come to a conclusion. They could, and most likely will, find no evidence corroborating any of the allegations against Judge Kavanaugh and the D’s would still vote again him because #believethewoman.

      I see Murkowski, Collins and Flake saying “we cannot take a chance of placing a sexual predator on the bench”.

      Like I said above: Calling for another FBI investigation (that will in all likelihood turn up nothing) just provides the Dems the tree, the rope, and detailed instructions in how to hang themselves.

      The phrase, “hoist by their own petard,” comes to mind, too.

      They wanted it — nay, demanded and insisted on it — now they got it, and everything that comes with it.

      Senate Democrats may not believe in the Rule of Law, but they will soon learn that the Law of Unintended Consequences really doesn’t care if you believe in it or not; it believes in you regardless.

    How many other ersatz votes can they stuff in there? Son of Procedural vote, Procedural vote III, reboot of Original Procedural vote 2019?

    They’re waiting for the malfunctioning memories to kick in so they can drop it.

    Saturday was the final vote, keep it.

    So the permits to remodel her home with the door were pulled in 2008. Her remodel took 3 years? That is a loooong time. She is also the head of a CIA intern program for undergrads. Hmmmm? Just a couple things I have seen while surfin’ around.
    Then there are 2 men who say they were the ones Ford mistook for Judge Kav. Sweathog and the creepy porn lawyer are just a joke. of course the coniving democ rats will throw in a couple new ringers they have in the bullpen. What a mess our USA is in.

I can’t. You might be right.

Somebody should arrest Flake for causing incredible mental suffering to the Kavanaugh family. At 10:00, “Yes, I’ll vote to confirm. “ At 11:45, “so sorry, changed my mind.” How much can one family endure? Stay strong, Judge Kavanaugh; millions are praying for you!

An Ivan Moore poll (Alaska Survey Research) released yesterday had this result:

Q: If you could talk to Sen. Lisa Murkowski today, would you encourage
her to vote yes or no on the confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh to the US
Supreme Court?

46.5% of likely Alaska voter respondents say yes, 43.4% say no, with 10.2% undecided.

Lisa Murkowski’s positive-negative rating is 50.5% positive, 30.8% negative, 17.2% neutral, 1.4% who?
Among her “base”, i.e. voters who are positive to her, response to the Kavanaugh question is 37.3% yes, 50.8% no.
The survey was conducted Friday through Tuesday, and people’s opinions may have shifted since then.

    alaskabob in reply to alaskabob. | September 28, 2018 at 4:59 pm

    This is as close to “worthless” as it gets.

    “It is better for an innocent man to go to jail than let a guilty man go free”… that is how it goes these days.

    As you can see Alaska has grown up on someone else’s business acumen (royalty money from oil companies), the Feds (military) and government handouts. A major player since the 17-D2 lands deal are the Native Corps. They are emmeshed with government programs.

    As with New York State…. Anchorage with half of the population is a major player but a pretentious little city … the proverbial “big” duck in a little pond.

    Best hope…. Flake falls in line, Collins comes in and some Democrat joins to make 50-50 to allow Pence to vote.

what will the FBI find the media, the democratic operatives didn’t. Judge Kavanaugh has been the most investigated SC candidate for ever. the best they could do was Ford, and the rest of the menagerie. I would almost bet that the media contacted every class mate he had, and the students at the girl school in the same grade he was in, hell I bet they contacted everyone a grade above and below to see what dirt they could find, they came up with a big 0. He is probably the most squeaky clean candidate in quite a while.

    No doubt that’s part of what drives the Left so bonkers about him.

    In Democrat circles, hypocrisy is the norm; someone who is squeaky-clean in public is a corrupt, despicable excuse for a human being in private.

    They cannot comprehend that someone who looks squeaky-clean might actually be squeaky-clean. It just Does. Not. Happen in the Earth-like world they inhabit.

    Elzorro in reply to ronk. | September 28, 2018 at 5:15 pm

    The driver of her getaway car.

Does anyone actually believe that a one-week FBI Investigation is going to satisfy the bloodlust of the totalitarian and embittered Dumb-o-crat zealots? That their unrestrained hate and spite — ginned up and whipped into a frenzy well before Kavanaugh was ever nominated — will magically abate, when the FBI proffers its report?

The Left has demonstrated that it is in full-throated, jackbooted mob mode, totally averse to facts, reason, logic, fairness, law and civility.

    That’s part of the point; it won’t satisfy them.

    But that will now show publicly; there’s no way to hide it anymore. So far they’ve managed to fool their LIVs (Low-Information Voters), but the more slack they’re given and the more they nevertheless dig their heels in, the more obstructionist (and ridiculous) they appear to those who “lean left” but aren’t hard-core “Progressive”.

    It will also show that Democrats are NOT the party that cares about victims. They don’t. For example, Feinstein sat on the allegation letter for weeks and only pulled it when politically convenient (more correctly, most politically inconvenient for her opponents). Grassley, on the other hand, delayed his own proceedings and called for hearings and investigations within 24 hours, and delayed them even further by offering to have Senators meet with Dr. Ford on her terms, in California.

    Thus, to the Democrats, victims are expendable assets, only useful as political pawns. To the GOP, victims are worth hearing out regardless of the inconvenience. PR firms working for GOP Senate campaigns, take notice; the ads practically write themselves.

    Plus, jumping through the extra hoops gives some cover to Democrats from red states … some of whom, should they vote against Kavanaugh, will be HARD-pressed to win their upcoming re-election bids against a GOP challenger.

Anyone can see what this is. A scheme run by crooked democrats.

The difference between Jeff Flake and Neville Chamberlain in 1938?

Nothing.

So, the FBI had done six thorough background checks, including the one for the SC nomination specifically. The FBI has refused twice to investigate state crimes, which is a violation of the federal government’s constitutional power. The Senate – now both sides – wants an investigation of potential state crimes and zero potential federal crimes under the guise of a seventh background check.

So. Who orders this? Who is allowed to order this? Rosenstein? Sessions? God forbid, the President of the United States? How do you go from “allowing time” to forcing the FBI to attempt an investigation in violation of what it believes to be proper procedure? Who forces it, and by what valid authority? Fine if there’s an answer – but not enough people on the Hill are asking these basic, basic questions.

    Elzorro in reply to JBourque. | September 28, 2018 at 5:18 pm

    Probably Rat Rod unless they can wake Sessions up from his coma.

      Apparently, they graciously allowed the President to order it. If the FBI complies, and the FBI doesn’t deliberately sabotage the process, it gets interesting.

      But the whole process is a bad joke already. That is unfortunate. The degradation of the Roman Senate wasn’t a pretty thing either.

This is turning into the Death of a Thousand Cuts. The circus will continue for at least another week. Flake must be very proud of himself right now.

I told you all in the other thread that Kavenaugh didn’t have Flake or Sasse so he’s done, and, at the end of this he would lose his current job.

The extra Week is for the FBI to lean hard on Judge. Once Judge is leaned on enough to say what the Democrats want him to say, his testimony will contradict Kavenaugh. Kavenaugh will be found to have perjured himself and it’s all over for him.

This current FBI is really corrupt and out of control, and Sessions is nowhere to be found. Getting them involved in investigations just invites meddling.

What is the over/under on how many more accusers the Dems manage to trot out in the next 7 days?

If it is even one more remotely credible (which does not apply to Ramirez or Swetnick), one week becomes one month.

and it begins: Ford’s attorney says “no artificial limits as to time or scope should be imposed on this investigation.”

Just when the Stinks-to-High-Heaven meter dropped a bit, now we’ll need to make the scale even higher. One wonders if this might soon escalate out of control.

Blumenthal reportedly wants Ford’s, Ramirez’s, and Swetnick’s allegations investigated.

    Ohio Historian in reply to MAB. | September 28, 2018 at 9:19 pm

    And I and most other vets want Blumenthal censured and ejected from the Senate for his lies about his Vietnam era veteran status.

The FBI, or whoever investigates, must insist that all psychologist records be made available to determine if the memories were suggested or formed at the sessions.

    Humphrey's Executor in reply to JCarr. | September 28, 2018 at 8:51 pm

    Insist all you want but you can’t compel production without a grand jury subpoena and a court to back it up. Now your looking at 4-6 months, not including appeals. Dems: “That’s OK, we’ll wait.”

      Who said anything about compelling the records?

      It’s simple. The FBI goes to Dr. Ford:

      FBI: “Let us review your psychological Records.”

      Dr. Ford: “No.”

      FBI: “Thank you. We now have your uncorroborated statement, and refused to provide relevant records when requested under the FBI investigation that you demanded occur. Our investigation is now closed, being unable to substantiate your allegations or determine any additional facts.”

take a look at this!!! It’s a timeline of Christine Blasey Ford’s contacts with Democrats… this was a set up 100% and it continues

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/09/must-see-updated-timeline-of-christine-blasey-fords-contacts-with-democrats/

Someone please kill Jeff Flake now.

    fishstick in reply to BillyHW. | September 28, 2018 at 6:47 pm

    look – this is Senator Flake’s last FU to his own constituents and the changing R-party

    someone needs the balls to tell him to his face that THIS is why Jeff lost his seat

    being a spinless winny-ninny in the face of pushback from the Left side of politics

    regulus arcturus in reply to BillyHW. | September 28, 2018 at 8:30 pm

    Not funny.

    I’m his close neighbor.

    PS How much you got?

      For the love of all that is HOLY: TAGS PEOPLE!!!!

      Some Main Stream Moron is going to come here, and claim that “the Commenters on Legal Insurrenction were discussing doing “X” to the Republican Senators that refused to support Judge Kavanaugh.”

      If you’re going to make a comment that can be LITERALLY read without context as committing a felony to further your goals, add a [/sarcasm] tag to it.

Duh Donald has ordered anOTHER FBI investigation.

Perhaps a shrewd political move, but not one I endorse.

    healthguyfsu in reply to Ragspierre. | September 28, 2018 at 7:13 pm

    Actually no he hasn’t…watch the video.

    He is supportive of the legislative branch and their decision. Pretty sure from Lindsay Graham’s comment about someone explaining why to Trump that it wasn’t POTUS’s idea.

      As I understand it, it has to be the president that orders that crack investigative unit, The FIB, to conduct a further interrogation investigation.

Checking in on the Steyn, I found Mark to be up to his usual game. He wrote, “I think most of the base would prefer the Thursday Graham GOP to the Friday Flake GOP. There’s little I loathe more than twits who stage public bouts of conscience-wrestling.”

The GOP ought to have had Mark question Ford!

For any lurking progressives that need perspective, there have been MANY flimsy consent-based cases in the kangaroo courts of higher ed recently.

This account has less credibility than all of those across the entire country combined. It hasn’t even arisen to the question of consent because no one can tell us when, where, why, how, etc. We have an accuser and an accused of who and that’s absolutely it. It’s so flimsy on details, along with the other even flimsier accusations, that you should all collectively hang your necks (yeah I said that right) in shame.

There’s not even a verifiable establishment of any party asked/named/interviewed being present. That’s how far you are reaching to hope this is true. I’m sure a tiny voice in your head keeps you going, though. It probably tortures you with whispers of “Merrick Garland”, “the ends justify the means”, and “Roe v.Wade”.

There are no current credible allegations against Kavanaugh. When the supposed victim doesn’t know where and when the attack supposedly occurred and every person she names denies the allegations, it lends credibility to Kavanaugh’s denials and destroys her accusation. This could be over in a day. Send out multiple agents and take statements from everyone Ford named, all on the same day. Present the statement to the Senate the following day, game over.

    Not even a day. 10 minutes.

    “This makes seven times we’ve investigated the guy and every time we’ve found nothing. All the witness statements for the current allegations are already available, and no evidence has been provided to support any of them. Additionally, state crimes are not within our jurisdiction. Unless new evidence is produced, this investigation is hereby closed.”

    And that leave 9 1/2 minutes to write the post-investigation report.

I wonder if the FBI will ask CBF where she got the custom pussy hat she wore in the protest seeing as how her lawyers kept saying that she is not political.

    Ohio Historian in reply to MAB. | September 28, 2018 at 9:22 pm

    She said “this is not political”, yet she has let the Democrats play politics with it. Ballsey Ford (thanks Rush) is a leftist tool.

So, when it is apparent that Ford has been less that truthful, will she be liable, of in jeopardy of prosecution?

    regulus arcturus in reply to snowshooze. | September 28, 2018 at 8:06 pm

    I have stipulated that from inception of this farce: in order to prevent future occurrences of this charade, Ms. Ford needs to be held accountable for her fabrications in a fraud upon the Congress charge.

    Anita Hill should have been charged with the identical charge, but since she was the first, she gets a pass.

    If our legal system is to stand, then laws preventing false witness and basic misrepresentation in high-profile public proceedings must be enforced, especially when one party is flagrantly abusing both the process and system.

    Prosecute, post-haste.

regulus arcturus | September 28, 2018 at 8:01 pm

On behalf of the sane part of AZ (the armed part), I hereby formally apologize to everyone for Jeff Flake’s bizarre and grossly incompetent behavior.

Since Flake has already committed to vote in favor of Kavanaugh, it is unclear what purpose the weeklong delay will serve, other than to invite further fabricated accusations and leftist-funded allegations.

Additionally, FBI cannot draw conclusions, as Joey Biden so eloquently explained those many years ago, so no new facts are likely to be exposed with this superficial frosting investigation.

As an AZ resident, I am beyond disgusted at Flake’s behavior and actions, and am considering action against him.

The delay is so that Holder hires in the FBI can flip named witness Judge and get him to contradict Kavanaugh. As soon as that happens, perjury == done, and Kavanaugh may even lose his current job.

Can the people of Arizona be watching this that voted for John MCCain this year and be thinking they need to vote for the Democrat this time in AZ? I don’t see how Flake’s behavior don’t cement the seat for the Republican canidate McSally. What good will does the Democrat party have in AZ to FLIP a seat. That takes people staying home or switching votes and this debacle couldn’t make it more clear what a disaster it is to have your vote in the hands of anyhting but a solid Republican. Don’t believe any polls this is close in AZ because there is no rational reason this Flake BS will generate a blue wave in AZ.

Flake cited all the women who have talked to him about their own assaults/abuse as basis for his investigation request.

So why are the experiences of other women even relevant in the investigation of Ford’s complaint? Why did Flake even entertain those stories? Does any politician ever man-up and tell them the only relevant parties are Ford and Kavanaugh, the only relevant facts are what can be determined from interviews of them and named witnesses? “Sorry you had that awful experience, but, we’re not talking about you – we’re only talking about Ford and Kavanaugh”.

They’re trying to live vicariously through Ford or to exact vengeance for their own issues through Ford at Kavanaugh’s expense …

    regulus arcturus in reply to MrE. | September 28, 2018 at 8:29 pm

    Flake is a weak fraud, which explains all of his actions.

    He lost his mentor, and the person who led him around by the nose, McCain.

    When he was cornered in the elevator today (because he idiotically showed his hand right before), he lost his conviction, signaling how malleable and stupid he is.

    Edward in reply to MrE. | September 29, 2018 at 2:07 pm

    Lindsey Graham had the correct response. He just kept walking and talking to the person he was with and totally ignored the demonstrators in the hall.

Coons is saying more is coming.

Humphrey's Executor | September 28, 2018 at 8:53 pm

In the words of the great Winston Churchill:

“Well, it the most absolutely [bleep]ing thing in the whole of my bloody life.”

Ford’s story about counseling in 2012 has problems. The building permit with for the second front door was in 2008.

This is what a prosecutor does.

    regulus arcturus in reply to Petrushka. | September 28, 2018 at 9:13 pm

    Which door was the permit for?

    #3?

    4?

    To me that was the oddest part of her testimony: couples’ counseling because she wanted a 2nd front door. Not another side door? Back door? It had to be a front door? So, in the several decades since she was in high school did she always live in a house with 2 front doors? If not, how did she survive? Very strange.

“Cable ratings from the Kavanaugh hearing yesterday say a lot about who is fired up about this whole process.”

Wishful thinking. Conservatives have only Fox (and them just barely) while the Marxists have every other network / cable. Add them all up and they equal Fox.

So they’re going to have the pro democrat fbi investigate a republican nominee based upon allegations from 36yrs. ago that four witnesses deny happened. What could go wrong? One week to investigate or find another mentally challenged witness?

I look at Flake’s face and I see his weakness writ large on that face.

The Bureau could finish the interviews not later than tomorrow if they wished. The could justify some of that AUO* pay they get by contacting and interviewing the people while they are home on the weekend. Supposedly they might subject the Kavanaugh calendars to testing for paper and ink appropriate to the time frame the calendars were written.

A standard background investigation would require developing additional people to interview from the known set of people. Whether this is how they will proceed is unknown to me due to the fact that that sort of Special Background Investigation has already been completed and this is supposed to focus on the Ford allegation (unless the Democrats can stampede the Republicans into expanding the definition of “credible” to include anything and everything anyone claims without any proof at all).

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