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Kavanaugh Evening Open Thread: Ashley Kavanaugh Receiving Death Threats

Kavanaugh Evening Open Thread: Ashley Kavanaugh Receiving Death Threats

“May you, your husband and your kids burn in hell.”

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2018/07/09/born-inside-beltway-brett-kavanaugh-part-gop-legal-elite/m0H38Eo8jrtoWGZgqNGscI/story.html

In the morning thread, Mary mentioned threats against Brett Kavanaugh’s accuser, Christine Blasey Ford, and Sen. Susan Collins.

Since then it’s been reported that Kavanaugh’s wife Ashley has received death threats.

Ford’s legal team has put forth terms for an interview and they’re…odd

From Fox News:

Christine Blasey Ford’s legal team has asked the Senate Judiciary Committee to agree to certain terms before she sits down for a potential interview over her accusation that Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh sexually assaulted her decades ago, two sources told Fox News on Thursday night.

Among the terms: Only members of the committee — no lawyers — can question her; Kavanaugh cannot be in the room at the time; and Kavanaugh should be questioned first.

The requests, some of which appeared to be negotiable, capped a whirlwind day that began when Ford’s lawyers told the Senate Judiciary Committee that she was open to testifying, apparently backing off her bid for the FBI to first launch a new inquiry into her allegations.

But the attorneys said it was “not possible” for Ford to testify at a hearing scheduled for Monday by Senate Republicans, and they reiterated that she has a “strong preference” for an FBI probe beforehand.

According to an email sent by her attorney Debra Katz to the committee, Ford would appear as long as senators provide “terms that are fair and which ensure her safety.”

It was not immediately clear whether Senate Republicans would agree to Ford’s latest requests, but they have said they are considering them.

Maine Republican Sen. Susan Collins, a moderate considered a potential key swing vote in Kavanaugh’s confirmation, had previously suggested that lawyers from both sides initially question Kavanaugh and Ford.

That arrangement, Collins suggested, would avoid an overtly political atmosphere in which Ford was questioned by Republicans on the Judiciary Committee — an entirely male contingent.

Threats Against Ashley

From The Wall Street Journal:

Judge Kavanaugh’s wife, Ashley Estes Kavanaugh, also has faced threats, which are being investigated by the U.S. Marshals Service, a senior administration official said Thursday.

Mrs. Kavanaugh has received two profane notes in her work email account in recent days, the official said. Both notes, which have been reviewed by The Wall Street Journal, were sent from the same email address.

One of the notes to Mrs. Kavanaugh, a town manager in the suburbs of Washington, D.C., reads, “May you, your husband and your kids burn in hell.” The other, whose subject line reads, “Hi, Ashley,” says she should tell her husband to “put a bullet in his … skull.”

One person close to the confirmation process said that while Mrs. Kavanaugh is upset by the attacks on her husband, she doesn’t want him to drop out. Judge Kavanaugh himself hasn’t considered withdrawing, according a person familiar with his thinking.

“Dem super-activist Ricki Seidman who derailed Robert Bork’s nomination, found a reluctant Anita Hill” is advising Ford

There’s also this:

https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1042890561659830273?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

They’re trying to drag this out as long as possible — Ford now saying she is open to testifying, just not on Monday

From WRAL:

Christine Blasey Ford opened the possibility she would testify before Congress about her accusation of sexual assault against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh.

An email her lawyers sent to the Senate Judiciary Committee said Ford “would be prepared to testify next week” if the senators offer her “terms that are fair and which ensure her safety.”

The message came a day ahead of a 10 a.m. Friday deadline set by Senate Judiciary Chairman Chuck Grassley for Ford to decide whether she would appear before a hearing he set for Monday.

Testifying Monday, however, “is not possible and the Committee’s insistence that it occur then is arbitrary in any event,” Ford’s lawyers wrote.

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The committee investigators have sworn testimony of 3 others and Kanvanaugh is still anxious to testify Monday. I think the only question right now being studied by both sides is how to get Ford out of this visas as easily as possible. No one wants to see her hurt. But I think the testimony taken clears the Judge and her memories are faulty. She cannot keep digging the hole she is deep into so a plan must be agreed to by Sunday to end this hysterics

    fishstick in reply to Gersh204. | September 20, 2018 at 7:27 pm

    there is absolutely no reason for Kavanaugh to testify to any allegation Ford claims on the Senate floor if the accuser herself refuses to show up and do so first

    he and others Ford accused were there have said more than enough already

    Grassley would be an idiot to make Monday a virtual kangaroo court if Ford is a no show to begin with

    all he has to do is push the vote to the Senate floor and let the Senate decide if a 35 year old bogus allegation at the 11th hour is worthy of a no-vote from some of these Republicans

    Anchovy in reply to Gersh204. | September 20, 2018 at 8:07 pm

    No one wants to see her hurt? She tried to hijack the whole Senate and void the Supreme Court choice of the duly elected President and the millions that voted for him?

    Sorry. You don’t try to pull off a soft coupe and walk away without some pain.

      I agree. Delusional, destructive liars need to have their noses ground in it.

        Agree … but isn’t Kavanaugh’s confirmation enough of a slap across the face?

          redc1c4 in reply to MrE. | September 21, 2018 at 12:48 am

          nope.

          it needs to be so painful that no one else wants to try the same thing for a generation or more.

          “Oderint dum metuant” should be the philosophy when responding to BS like this.

    JusticeDelivered in reply to Gersh204. | September 20, 2018 at 8:31 pm

    “No one wants to see her hurt.”

    She has made her bed, she is an adult, and she should be held accountable. Now, if she is declared mentally incompetent, and remanded for treatment, then maybe some mercy is in order.

    redc1c4 in reply to Gersh204. | September 20, 2018 at 9:00 pm

    Really?

    she is trying to destroy a man’s life & reputation…

    she deserves every bit of pain, humiliation and suffering that comes her way. don’t start none, won’t be none, and knives cut both ways.

    to (politely) channel my inner Andrew B “F her. War!”

    Edward in reply to Gersh204. | September 21, 2018 at 7:18 am

    Not Sunday, Ten AM today is the rules deadline for Ford to have her attorneys submit to Chairman Grassley (staffers) her biography and formal statement she wishes to make to the committee. The requirement to submit these two items, in writing*, and commit to appearing 48 hours before her testimony is the Senate Committee rule and Senator Grassley has stated that the rule will be observed. If Grassley backs down now, he’s done and so are the Republicans who pushed him to back down.

    * I’m sure e-Mail will suffice

Grassley needs to issue an ultimatum Friday of there being a vote or a hearing come this Monday

if Ford doesn’t show up to testify, committee pushes Kavanaugh through to the full Senate vote

if Ford does show up to testify, she testifies under oath before the Judge she is 35 years late in accusing

because the longer this faux shit goes on, the uglier it will become and we all know it’s a bogus accusation

heck – DiFi’s 11th hour action and then trying to blame Republicans for it coupled with her refusal to show the committee head the full unredacted memo is grounds for an ethics violation and removal from said committee

THIS is beyond ridiculous at this point

    Gremlin1974 in reply to fishstick. | September 20, 2018 at 7:38 pm

    Nope he should stick to his deadline, if she doesn’t agree to testify by 10 am tomorrow then schedule the vote for Monday and ignore any further silliness.

    I expect that Dr. Ford, even if she is present, will not be allowed to testify before the committee (nor will Judge Kavanaugh be permitted to testify) due to procedural obstruction by the Democrats.

    I expect that all Democrats save one (Spartacus?) will boycott the hearing and that one will insist that no business can be conducted because the committee rules state that “Nine Members of the Committee, including at least two Members of the minority, shall constitute a quorum for the purpose of transacting business.” [emphasis mine]

      starride in reply to donb. | September 20, 2018 at 10:18 pm

      yea but the ultimate MOAB is for the senate to go into recess. Not sure if it applies to a SC judge but i know it applies to all cabinet positions. I guarantee you if the senate goes into recess the president has all of his appointments ready to go.

        Milhouse in reply to starride. | September 21, 2018 at 11:44 am

        A senate recess would need the House’s permission, which may not be a problem, but under senate rules it would probably need unanimous consent from the senate, and not only coudn’t they get that, they probably couldn’t even get a majority to override the rule.

      Edward in reply to donb. | September 21, 2018 at 7:23 am

      You really expect the Democrats to pass up the opportunity to attack Kavanaugh again? I could be mistaken, but I don’t think that is even a remote possibility.

    Grassley already has issued his demand. He has stated that she has until 10 AM today (Friday) to submit her biography and formal statement she wishes to make to the committee. The Committee rules require these items to be submitted 48 hours before testimony. As I stated above, if Grassley backs down now, he’s toast and so are the Republicans.

While I have detested democrats and their actions for many decades, I have a hard time with the reality of the new depths to which they have sunk our once-great nation.

All Republicans should carry if they can. A couple of examples made, and this stuff will die down.

Those aren’t threats. “Someone will plant a bomb under your car” would be a threat. “You should fall on your sword,” “delete your Twitter account,” or “I hope that someday you’re denied the Beatific Vision” are merely rudeness.

    So if I get your wife’s work email and start sending her notes like that, you would not find that disturbing?

      tom_swift in reply to elle. | September 20, 2018 at 7:55 pm

      Don’t be childish.

      “Disturbing” and “death threats” are hardly synonymous.

        Don’t worry, I’m not a psycho. But you have to admit that my just saying it was creepy. Now if I actually did it, I think you might find it threatening, don’t you?

          Milhouse in reply to elle. | September 20, 2018 at 10:32 pm

          That you “find it threatening” does not make it a threat. A threat must actually be a threat (e.g. “I will do X”, not “X should happen”, “Someone ought to do X”, or “God will do X”), it cannot be conditional (“If you do X then I will do Y”) and it must be made in such a way that, taking the entire context into account, a reasonable person would seriously fear that the accused intends to carry it out.

Discourage people from making death threats. This kind of behavior has to stop.

You want more Trump? This is how you get more Trump. I predict a red tsunami BECAUSE of this type of thing.

This is about one thing and one thing only – Democrat Thug tactics to regain power by overturning the votes of a large majority of Americans representing the Nation as a whole.

If Republicans continue to either ignore them or ‘negotiate’ their Thug demands, Republicans don’t deserve our votes as they don their P*ssy Hats and enable the ever-differently named Progressive/Liberal/Progressive (Totalitarian) agenda.

If you disagree, keep voting for Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, Floyd Flake, Paul Ryan, Rob Corkers and their brethren and rejoice when Elizabeth Warren, T-Bone ‘Sparticus’ Booker, Michael Bloomberg or Kamala Harris get to run your life.

    That’s not what’s going to happen Vlad. People are going to go into the voting booths and pull a straight GOP ticket just because they are ticked that the democrats are acting like the KKK. Hypocrites sporting false piety as they look down their noses at the working man. It’s almost like the Dems WANT to lose.

      Vladtheimp in reply to elle. | September 20, 2018 at 9:08 pm

      I hope you’re right but the Republican track record doesn’t predict success. Apparently, Republicans are now ‘negotiating’ with the alleged victim’s sleazy counsel (I have the ‘sleazy’ descriptor from a reliable source) – and that the new negotiations are based on impossible demands (how many real lawyers would agree to the conditions that “She wishes to testify, provided that we can agree on terms that are fair and which ensure her safety. A hearing on Monday is not possible, and the committee’s insistence that it occur then is arbitrary in any event,)”

      Since when does the Senate of the United States subject itself to impossible demands of a single citizen who is attempting to hamstring the majority of duly elected Senators from undertaking their Constitutional responsibilities?

      The Republicans have to know that any voter, particularly any woman voter, who would believe this last minute attack by politicians who held it for months; who refuse to release the actual letter – that of the part released can’t say who, where or when – won’t vote Republican.

      Uphold the demand that she agree to testify by Friday; if she doesn’t hold the vote immediately; trust educated men and women voters (Democrats, Republicans, Independents) to see through this defamation and Judge Kavanaugh will be confirmed.

      As an aside, I wish Judge Kavanaugh was not such a respecter of the Constitution; not such an exemplary human being; not such a great community supporter; If I were in his position, even given the oath I swore as an attorney over 40 years ago – I would find it hard to ignore the defamations and threats leveled against me and my family – maybe I would react as a husband and father.

They will play this card every next time its allowed to work. D3ms dont care about the event 36 years ago at all, they just know low information voters on both side of aisle do care and Republican senators can usually be intimidated. If they can take Kav out over a teenage event 36 years ago. Its over for anyone else

Ed Whelan now claims that CBF may be telling the truth, but that the boy was Chris Garret. CG looks like BK. He has a yearbook picture, hmm, slightly different haircut one is smiling and the other is not. So for me hard to tell, but modern photos, they could be twins.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/09/former-scalia-law-clerk-drops-pictures-and-evidence-that-blows-christine-fords-case-wide-open/

    elle in reply to RodFC. | September 20, 2018 at 8:57 pm

    The Dem’s realize this accusation is hurting them, not helping, so now they want out. Enter the scapegoat.

    Mercyneal in reply to RodFC. | September 20, 2018 at 9:08 pm

    Mr. Whelan has done a thorough and excellent investigative job. Any law enforcement agency would be interested in this.

      Milhouse in reply to Mercyneal. | September 21, 2018 at 11:41 am

      Um, why? Why would a law enforcement agency be interested in something that probably wasn’t prosecutable when it’s alleged to have happened, and certainly isn’t prosecutable 35 years later?

      Gremlin1974 in reply to Mercyneal. | September 21, 2018 at 12:29 pm

      Why would any law enforcement agency be interested in this regardless of whose names are attached? Why would they waste limited resources on a 30+ year old accusation of a bunch of drunk teens playing slap and tickle and someone getting PO’d because they got their goodies grabbed?

    guyjones in reply to RodFC. | September 20, 2018 at 9:25 pm

    Ed means well, but, I think that he is treading on some seriously dangerous and irresponsible ground. First off, he is assuming, without any evidence, that an assault actually occurred, and, he is proceeding from there. This is an inherently-flawed framework.

    Secondly, I don’t know why Ed is spending time and effort attempting to rationalize and “explain” the unknowable mental state of mind of an obviously-troubled woman, and, her unsupported and unbelievably suspect allegation, via the similarly unsupported and baseless implication of an innocent man.

    A sociopathic partisan-kook is already attempting to ruin one man’s life and career — no one should be attempting to contrive or hunt out novel theories to rationalize these utterly unsupported allegations, such that another man’s life is potentially ruined, in the process.

    We should leave the creative theorizing and contrived narratives to the Dumb-o-crats; they’re exceedingly good at crafting fictions in support of the Party agenda. Conservatives need to stay rational and fact-based, and, right now, the rational assessment and facts state that this allegation’s provenance is totally dubious, and, its evidentiary supports, non-existent.

      Milhouse in reply to guyjones. | September 20, 2018 at 10:34 pm

      He is not assuming anything. He is providing a plausible scenario that results in Kavanaugh’s vindication even if one chooses to believe Ford.

        objection in reply to Milhouse. | September 21, 2018 at 7:42 am

        … and possibly grievously slandering an innocent man. I doubt you’d be pleased if Whalen published your real photograph.

          Assume it was the other kid. Jeez Louise people Garrett was 17 at the time. Everybody was drinking. Do you actually believe that a 17 year old is going to “rape and murder” a 15 year old? With another kid in the room? Ford’s tale is unbelievably hysterical and dangerous, trotted out at the last minute to keep the SCOTUS from swinging to conservative for generations. For them, K is an existential threat to their power.

          Milhouse in reply to objection. | September 21, 2018 at 11:38 am

          He was very careful not to slander Garrett. He explicitly wrote that just because it’s plausible for Garrett to have done this doesn’t mean he did. It’s also possible that the whole story never happened; or that it did happen but the boy (whether Kavanaugh, Garrett, or someone entirely different) tried to make a move but took no for an answer, and the “rape attempt” was entirely in her mind; or any number of other possibilities.

          But the fact that Garrett exists, looked so much like Kavanaugh, and lived approximately where she claims to remember this happening, in a house whose layout resembles what she claims to remember, is enough to cast serious doubt on her insistence that it was Kavanaugh who did this to her.

    Colonel Travis in reply to RodFC. | September 20, 2018 at 10:35 pm

    His theory is irresponsible and moving toward libel territory. Hey it wasn’t that guy. Feinstein is gonna apologize because it’s probably this guy!

    Wow. Wrong on so many levels.

    He doesn’t bring any convincing evidence. He said of the accused: “None of the four lived in the vicinity of the Columbia Country Club.” Then he said Kavanaugh lived 3.6 miles away. Gee, how on earth did anyone travel 3.6 miles from his house in 1982? I was alive back then. Only rich people owned transportation mules. The rest of us slobs had to walk barefoot on dirt roads littered with nails and broken bottles.

    The other guy looked like Kavanaugh? You mean the guy with the oval haircut and oval face looked like the guy with the rectangle haircut and rectangle face? Before I even knew about Whelan’s attempt here and saw the photos I wondered what the other guy was doing being shown next to Kavanaugh.

    The cherry on top is when Whelan says: “I therefore do not state, imply or insinuate that Garrett or anyone else committed the sexual assault that Ford alleges.”

    Huh?

    You mean when you Tweeted this last week you were just kidding: “By one week from today, I expect that Judge Kavanaugh will have been clearly vindicated on this matter.”

    Just idiotic. You don’t trash someone else with the same kind of unsubstantiated charges to prove the first guy had nothing to do with it.

      I think Garret is in on it. How’d he get tbe current pics of both in similar poses. Ed told not only where kavanaugh lived but also Judge,Smyth, and the un named other girl. Ford’s lawyer said there was another girl there and they didn’t try to contact her, it wasn’t their job. Whelan knows tge girl’s, now woman’s identity because he shows exactly where she lived. He said she has not been heard from but I’d be willing to bet he talked to her. Garret signed a letter from his former classmates supporting Kavanaugh.

        Colonel Travis in reply to Mich. | September 21, 2018 at 1:30 am

        In on what? Sorry, do we know this attempted rape/assault/ groping/drunken reverse pratfall/whatever the hell it was even happened? The evidence against Garrett is as pathetic as it is against Kavanaugh.

        FWIW, Ford has said: It wasn’t Garrett.

        I’ve got a photo of a close friend standing on the porch at Graceland, exactly in the same pose and spot as Elvis did in the 1950s. Therefore, Elvis is not dead, he is my friend.

        I have no idea how people are getting suckered into this. Gee, I found a floor plan that matches the memory of someone like the guy in Memento. Check Christine Blasey Ford for weird tattoos and Polaroids. The two guys don’t look alike unless you are legally blind. If I were Garrett, if I couldn’t get a lawsuit off the ground, I’d punch Whelan in the face.

        What if you were the guy instead of Garrett? Would you love a rapist/assault/whatever charge thrown at you, based on the package delivered by this clown car?

        It’s Amateur Hour in America 24 hours in a row now.

          He’s not flinging a charge at Garrett, he’s saying Garrett could have done it, therefore there’s no way Ford could possibly know Kavanaugh did it, even if she’s being entirely truthful and her memory is intact, let alone if either of those things is not true.

    MarkS in reply to RodFC. | September 21, 2018 at 10:39 am

    Twitter has deleted the images

She had better work a deal with Larry Flynt, quickly, before drifting away into squalid file cabinets along with Linda Tripp, Rita Jenrette, Donna Rice and so many other normally configured females whose claim to fame was fleeting.

Little Ms. Chrissy acknowledges that nothing happened. Now, it only remains to discover who did nothing to her… and why she was wearing a one-piece bathing suit under her outer garments.

Why the swimming attire?

Such a snizz.

Excuse me — what sane, rational and fair-minded person, who has just come out of the woodwork to sling an explosively serious, career and life-ruining allegation at a person — which allegation is tardy beyond belief, and utterly devoid of factual and evidentiary supports — assumes the haughty and imperious posture of, “I will testify in support of my allegation if you do this-and-that and such-and-such?” I find this woman’s behavior and attitude, and, that of her surrogates, so transparently antithetical to the posture and attitude that would be presented by a sincere and truthful victim.

The psychological make-up of this woman is being revealed by her behavior, post-accusation, and, the persona being unveiled is decidedly ugly and unflattering, and, I submit that it calls into question not only the veracity of her already-suspect allegation, but, her general mental health, as well.

This is utterly insane. We are enabling totalitarian and manifestly sociopathic behavior, such that partisan kooks can emerge from the woodwork at the drop of a hat, and, with a single, unsupported but salacious utterance, destroy a man’s livelihood, reputation and career.

I cannot believe that the Republicans are even negotiating about this hearing. According to the rules of the Senate, Grassley has to give one week’s notice for a committee meeting. That means that if the committee and Ford’s lawyers reach agreement before midnight to move the hearing date, the earliest would be next Thursday. That is insane! Plus Ford’s lawyers are apparently insisting that Kavanaugh testify first! How the F— can he testify first without hearing her accusation! If the Republicans cave on this, they will be deserted en masse in the midterms.

    elle in reply to Wing. | September 20, 2018 at 10:05 pm

    It is crazy they are allowing this to continue, but maybe Trump and the sane members of the GOP are adhering to this adage: Never Interfere With an Enemy While He’s in the Process of Destroying Himself

    Milhouse in reply to Wing. | September 21, 2018 at 11:49 am

    They had to do something because if they ignored Ford the nomination would have been defeated. That’s what happens when you only have 51 senators.

      Gremlin1974 in reply to Milhouse. | September 21, 2018 at 12:21 pm

      Especially when at least 2 of those Senators are known to revolt because they didn’t like their lunch or other various reasons.

This whole thing is crashing and burning. It is possible that the Dems are unaware of this and think that they still have the high ground. However, it is much more likely that they believe that their constituency, especially the base, is so stupid that they will believe anything that the leadership says; no matter how ridiculous.

The Dems know that this is a loser, just as their failure to actually shut down the government to protect the Dreamers was. But, they expect their constituents to be so stupid that they will simply accept this as a win when the leadership claims it is.

notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital | September 20, 2018 at 9:29 pm

FYI

Manu Raju

@mkraju

Christine Blasey Ford’s attorneys were listed as headliners at a DC fundraiser at their law firm for Tammy Baldwin, slated to occur Oct. 1. Invite was emailed this morning. Campaign and Katz now say the event has been canceled after I reached out. https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/20/politics/ford-attorneys-democrat-fundraiser/index.html
1:31 PM – Sep 20, 2018

They want a secret interview so they can lie about it later. She could literally go in there and say, “I don’t recall, could have been Kavanaugh, could have been any of the other boys I ran into at parties, I was drinking a lot in those days, still do really.” The Democrats would campaign on how mean the Republicans were to her in the hearing and how they voted for Kavanaugh despite her “credible claims.”

Ford: “So which recovered memory do you want to hear about next? The alien abduction or my satanic cult preschool that was sacrificing my friends to the dark lord?”

Hey Feinstein! I advise you reconsider cremation. I’m getting a vibe that you will not rest peacefully in the earth.

Amazing how the chi comm spy scandal surrounding feinstein has faded away.

Sessions is a POS.

She’s had her six.

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