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Sheriff Scott Israel admits that at time of CNN forum he knew of reports Deputy didn’t enter school

Sheriff Scott Israel admits that at time of CNN forum he knew of reports Deputy didn’t enter school

Says didn’t mention it during the forum because he was waiting for investigators to confirm the reports.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/parkland/florida-school-shooting/fl-florida-shooting-sro-20180222-story.html

Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel just admitted on Jake Tapper State of the Union that he knew of reports Deputy didn’t enter school at time of CNN town hall forum in which he mocked and berated the NRA and Dana Loesch.

Israel said he didn’t mention it during the forum because he was waiting for investigators to confirm the reports.

Here is the specific exchange:

Tapper: When did you find out that Deputy Peterson had not gone into the building? How soon after the shooting did you know that?

Israel: Not for days.

Tapper: How many days?

Israel: I’m not sure.

Tapper: Because you spent much of the Wednesday night town hall on CNN to meet with the entire Stoneman Douglas communities, students and teachers and parents, attacking the NRA, saying the police need more powers, more money to prevent future tragedies, you didn’t disclose any of this, to the crowd then, the Stoneman Douglas high school community, did you know it then, did you know it Wednesday night?

Israel: It was spoken about earlier during that day. I’m not on a timeline for TV or any news show, we need to get it right, we need to get it accurate, we’re talking about people’s lives, we’re talking about a community, we need to corroborate, we need to verify, and once we did the next day, and I looked at the tape and I was 100% certain that it happened the way I was told about, the investigators initially told me about, I didn’t even release it right then…..

https://youtu.be/Ng5o6TkTlFY?t=9m2s

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Here are some more excerpts from the interview:

https://twitter.com/ellisonbarber/status/967772145072865280

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Sickening opportunist who exploited the dead children for political gain. Fired and investigated for starters.

Sickening is the right word.

They are clearly trying to get in front of this story using their normal methods. I just think that they have become so weak and lame that it is working against them now. Stalin was good at it. These yahoos are not.

It should be quite simple to determine if the failure of the BSO deputies were following a department policy or not.

Demand the full disclosure of policy. This includes the testimony under oath of the top leadership of the office AND the deputies involved.

    stevewhitemd in reply to Ragspierre. | February 25, 2018 at 1:13 pm

    Color me surprised: I find myself agreeing with Rags for once.

    Yes, disclose the policy for all to see. Also disclose how the policy was read out to the deputies, how much training the deputies had and what sorts of drills were done. Police do train and drill for situations, and engaging an active shooter in a school is a drill that a modern urban/suburban police department (regrettably) has to do.

    No training or drill? That’s a failure.

    They trained and yet they didn’t go in? That’s a worse failure.

    So let’s put everything on the table, in the open, for all to see. Exactly right.

    casualobserver in reply to Ragspierre. | February 25, 2018 at 3:27 pm

    It may be too early yet, but it’s curious to me that at least some Broward County citizens haven’t started to demand that kind of accountability. I would say the same about the elected officials and commissioners, but I’ve learned not to expect much from the elected class until they have a clear sense that their position is in jeopardy.

“we will absolutely find out what we did or what we didn’t do”
.
We already know what you didn’t do. Your jobs. We’re waiting to see who else you blame besides the NRA.

Standard ‘cover-up’ maneuver –> blame something or someone else!

This is proof that both the county and schools knew the risks of their little “catch and release” scheme for reducing minority arrests.

Those four officers weren’t there to protect the students. Their job was to ‘cover-up’ crimes by minorities. The 30 minute delay on the surveillance system … give the officers time to kill the tape before the crime is recorded.

Broward County –> The New ‘Chicago’

Please let us know when they start sending out the snow plows to cleanup the drifts of expended brass collecting on/in the streets.

Why isn’t failure to report crimes (for the purpose of getting grant money) a crime? Looks like fraud to me.

    Arminius in reply to Petrushka. | February 27, 2018 at 7:25 am

    18 U.S. Code § 4 – Misprision of felony

    I am reasonably sure the school officials who covered for Trayvon Martin, and went so far to cover up his crimes that they put the jewelry he stole in the school’s lost and found where the rightful owners were guaranteed not to get their stuff back until some amateuer sleuth got on the case committed this crime. At the very least.

I think it is time to start taking names and holding people accountable. The problem for a long time has been within and we are afraid to address it. More people are going to be harmed if we keep blaming someone else. It is time to change things for the better.

Rags – do a little googling. Sheriff Isreal himself declared that department policy was to enter and engage an active shooter when first asked to comment on Petersen remaining outside. I suspect, though, he at that point didn’t know at least three other deputies responded but didn’t enter and was trying to pass Petersen’s inaction off as an individual failure.

It’s time to start assume you can tell Isreal is lying when you see his lips moving.

    Ragspierre in reply to Christopher B. | February 25, 2018 at 10:12 am

    “Rags – do a little googling. Sheriff Isreal himself declared…”

    BUT

    “It’s time to start assume you can tell Isreal is lying when you see his lips moving.”

    What I’m advocating is that we strip everyone of any ambiguity here. Which was it? Sometimes there is a disjunction between written policy and organization culture (policy).

      TX-rifraph in reply to Ragspierre. | February 25, 2018 at 10:36 am

      I agree. I written Policy that is not enforced is a hollow document with no meaning. The actual policy of an organization is demonstrated by behavior. We can see the policy differences between the local PD and the BCSO by how the officers behaved.

      However, by releasing the written Policy, we will see the negligence of the Sheriff if the behavior did not follow the written policy. This process of slow release indicates that things are gonna get worse for the BCSO.

      Bucky Barkingham in reply to Ragspierre. | February 25, 2018 at 10:41 am

      And sometimes there are also a bunch of dead kids.

        iconotastic in reply to Bucky Barkingham. | February 25, 2018 at 2:38 pm

        Democrats like dead children—better propaganda that way. Which is why Democrats never propose solutions to school shootings—real solutions would reduce the amount of agitprop.

          Ragspierre in reply to iconotastic. | February 25, 2018 at 8:44 pm

          That’s as insane…and dangerous…as saying the NRA loves dead kids.

          First, “the Democrats” are NOT any kind of homogeneous group. No more than Republicans are homogeneous. Or the NRA is homogeneous.

          Second, to depict people with whom you disagree this way is no different than the extreme fringe of the Collective depicting the NRA as having “blood on its hands”.

          Stop it. It’s nuts.

          Arminius in reply to iconotastic. | February 26, 2018 at 12:13 am

          OK, three times.

And Tapper apparently didn’t ask about the allegations from the Coral Springs Officers that there were four (three plus Peterson) Broward County Sheriff’s Deputies outside the school, “containing the incident”*

Israel is a miserable piece of human garbage. More to the point, what’s worse is that he’s a gun grabbing lying piece of crap Democrat (but I repeat myself).

* My words, not the Coral Springs Officers, though I suspect the excuse for not immediately entering and engaging the shooter will be something similar.

If the high sheriff doesn’t know the answers then he isn’t doing his job. Of course, he knew none of his deputies went in as soon as it happened. That’s the job description, you supervise. He’s a politician and hack and should be headed out the door which I expect he will be before this is over. What they need is a good, black, female lesbian Sheriff to make their policies bulletproof.

I think Shapiro’s take on all this is quite good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH_2yWNns9s

Folks, the Sheriff assured Tapper that he is an “amazing” leader. Notice how he sacrificed himself for his staff by jumping in front of all the TV camera’s to blame the NRA. If only he had more money and power.

Way to go, Israel. Finally a sheriff that makes Arpaio look good.

This ba$tard infuriates me. He’s actually on tape on several occasions that I’ve seen declaring that the BSO is NOT a law enforcement agency! WTF did he think his job was? Community relations. Great – everyone likes our cops – who cares if we have dead kids. Despicable.

This is the direct result of embracing progressive criminal justice reforms ala disparate impact. Can you say Promise Program?

Law enforcement training from the FBI down to tiny local communities since 1988 drills the idea that cops are not supposed to engage an active shooter situation until they have overwhelming force.

That’s why the Broward cops were waiting outside in their cars while the kid was shooting students. That’s why law enforcement took 70 minutes to engage the Las Vegas shooter.

When danger is seconds away, the cops are a half hour away. The cops and law enforcement protect themselves before they protect you. That’s part of the reason that guns need to be in the hands of lawful citizens.

    Ragspierre in reply to rotten. | February 25, 2018 at 7:55 pm

    “That’s why law enforcement took 70 minutes to engage the Las Vegas shooter.”

    That’s bogus. They didn’t. Where did you get that?

    jnials in reply to rotten. | March 1, 2018 at 6:44 pm

    Since Columbine, doctrine is go in as soon as possible, not overwhelming force. Just as the coral springs police department did.

    There won’t be lawsuits against the BCCSO because of Castle Rock v. Gonzalez. There could be lawsuits against the school for not dealing with this better.

    IANAL.

The sherrif must substantiate reports about his deputies’ crisis impotence, but by gum, he’ll rush onto national TV to demonize the NRA & millions of gun owners.

The lawsuits, bankruptcy, and possible criminal prosecutions of officials in Broward County are a certitude.

    “The lawsuits, bankruptcy, and possible criminal prosecutions of officials in Broward County are a certitude.”

    No. Anything BUT a “certitude”. WTF are you thinking?

Sherif Israel is a world class wannabee reality TV personality. He even has a radio show.

The local media is protecting him, because they like the guy.

This is a shame. His decision to first end zero tolerance, and then go above and beyond and stop prosecuting crimes committed at school (to ensure better statistics and better school funding) is exactly why the school and law enforcement missed the sign on this shooter guy. They were burying the signs!

He should be reviled! He’s been letting criminal gangs operate in the schools, and His department whiffed on doing its job this time with shooter. Scott Israel should not be able to get away with just suspending one cop. His who department is corrupt.

    Petrushka in reply to rotten. | February 25, 2018 at 12:12 pm

    It’s also why crime statistics are bullshit.

    Ragspierre in reply to rotten. | February 25, 2018 at 8:01 pm

    “His decision to first end zero tolerance…”

    IF…and to the extent…he DID that, that was one of a very few things he did right.

    “Zero tolerance” is the inane, zero discernment thinking that makes Pop-tarts into pistols. It’s a policy of idiocy.

    gmac124 in reply to rotten. | February 26, 2018 at 3:30 pm

    Sheriff Israel and his departments actions had nothing to do with zero tolerance. Zero tolerance is an administrative policy for the schools. I for one think it is an asinine policy. However what his department did was short circuit the legal system by not filing reports or starting criminal proceedings. Honestly much of the blame for the shooting rests on the BCSO and Sheriff Israel because if they had just followed the law as written Cruz would have been unable to pass a background check. Which to me it means if anybody has blood on their hands it is Sheriff Israel.

Broward County gets the sheriff it deserves. The Congressional districts comprising this area are all democrats and include such luminaries as Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Alcee Hastings. Of course this clown is their sheriff.

“We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.”

Broward County Sheriff says schools will be “fortified” by rifle-carrying deputies
February 22, 2018
https://southfloridanews11.com/broward-county-sheriff-says-schools-will-fortified-rifle-carrying-deputies/

Great, now we will have Coward County Sheriffs with rifles standing outside Florida schools during shootings waiting for other outside police forces to arrive and deal with deadly situations.

Florida’s Sun Sentinel can’t sing the praises of The Coward County Sheriff enough it seems.

Who is Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel?
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/parkland/florida-school-shooting/fl-florida-school-shooting-who-is-broward-sheriff-scott-israel-20180223-story.html

Of course, the rest of the Left did not ‘wait for confirmation’ before citing this incident as a reason that the “good guy with a gun” argument was useless.

Jake Tapper may be a lot of things, but he does have some internal honesty and integrity as a journalist. What we’re seeing in part is Jake being very, very unhappy about having been used and held up for ridicule. Journalists don’t like that and when it happens they find ways to hit back. That’s part of what happened today. The Sheriff may have thought he was in for another lovefest and softball interview, and that’s why he hemmed and hawed so much.

But kudos to Mr. Tapper for asking the kinds of questions most of us wanted to ask the Sheriff.

    I think you give him too much credit. If he hadn’t asked these questions, he’d have NO journalistic credibility. He does appear angry a bit, but he knew what that CNN “discussion” was gonna be before he started

Tapper worked for Handgun Control and Brady.

Who responded to allegation of corruption in department with:

“Lions don’t care about the opinions of sheep”?

Broward Co Sheriff Israel.

Theory: Maybe the SRO and the other deputies knew the shooter was going to commit a school shooting. Maybe the SRO told the Sheriff (S.I.) “This guy is going to shoot up this school someday.” Maybe the Sheriff, because of his “disparate justice” policy said “Stand down, leave the guy (N.C.) alone. Maybe that’s the reason they took up defensive positions and waited outside. I’m not saying it’s right, but it looks as if it’s possible. The Sheriff set the tone “We’re not going to do anything about crime.” The deputies worked in a culture of failure, so when the time to act was upon them, they reverted to what they knew- failure.

“We will absolutely find out what we did or what we didn’t do” says the man who knows the NRA and its members did nothing to create the horror show at this school.

And yet he had no trouble ignorantly inciting economic warfare, libel, and slander against 5 million of his fellow citizens.

Would I be right if I said I think the sheriff should shut up for his sake? As someone noted above, there may be some lawsuits cooking. I can’t imagine even the Anti-2A parents are happy with this guy and his officers. (Me? It’s good to hear him cooking his own goose. Keep spinning. Keep lying.)

Why would anyone send in the Broward County Sheriffs to do a JROTC’s job?

I’m going back to work today (at LAPD) and I can’t wait to talk with the officers and sergeants with whom I work to ask them what they think of this case, this sheriff, and the deputies on the scene.

My God, we have a group home for troubled teens in our jurisdiction and every time one of them leaves the facility (the staff cannot stop them) the staff are mandated to report them as missing juveniles.

Even though some of these kids do this on a daily basis, sometimes multiple times in a single day, an officer must take a (time consuming) report. I’m responsible for entering the report in the various systems. I am not required to send out a teletype on these kids because they are chronic runaways and are not considered “critical missings.” I’m not required to issue teletypes on them, but I do it each and every time.

I could not live with myself if one of these kids did not return and ended up found dead somewhere. Dotting i’s and crossing t’s and doing everything you can *** even when it’s a seemingly mundane case you see every day involving the same people and heretofore with a nice ending *** is not difficult and there is absolutely no excuse for not doing your job competently and thoroughly when public safety is at stake.

This is not a gun problem. This is a gross human error problem. This is a disgusting case of negligence and dereliction of duty.

Not just one. There were three others.

Also, the school was a declared low risk target, that was a viable Choice for a lunatic to open an abortion field.

Finally something my education and experience gives me a leg-up on Legal Insurrection! The Promise program.

The DOJ pushed schools and juvenile courts to address “disparate impact” during the Obama years. This lead to many courts setting up juvenile assessment centers and many schools to use great discretion in addressing minor criminal behanvior. The goal was to end the so called, “prison pipeline” andand divert misdemeanor offenses to community based programs (counseling, mentor, job training and so on). I know, I am a case assessment social worker who does this for a living. Kids arrested for menacing, assault, domestic violence, ccw can and are “diverted” daily to community programs. However because the case against them has been kept “unofficial” we have no real hammer to go back at the families when they don’t follow-up with the recommendations and after 60 or 90 days we close the case “unofficial without progress”. It would seem logical to imagine kids who’ve been seen once or twice for similar offenses (assault, domestic violence) that if they come in again they’d be charged officially and forwarded for disposition. But this simply isn’t the case and I’ve seen youth with three, four and even five or more assaults, menacing, domestic violence contacts remain “unofficial”. Sometimes the explanation is the youth has a mental illness or the youths family is in crisis and while both maybe true we never ask, “when do we protect the community”?

With all of that as a backdrop and looking only at Broward County, I’d like to play devils advocate. Several years ago a young man at a Broward County HS was found by a Broward County Deputy to be in possession of a small amount of Marijuana, burglary tools and a zip-lock bag full of jewlery on school property. The items were to taken into custody and the young man was suspended from school. Although there were reports of home break-ins near the school there was no query done by the deputy to see if the items were stolen before releasing the young man. Said HS student, now suspended for several days, was sent from one parents home to the other in a different county to stay during the suspension. Said student, while suspended, then was involved in a confrontation and was killed. The killer was charged and tried but a jury determined he was not guilty. After the not guilty verdict it was discovered that the zip-lock bag of jewlery recovered by the student was, in fact, stolen merchandise.

Has anyone guessed that this young man was Trayvon Martin? Is it wrong, being devils advocate, to ask if the “Promise Program” hadn’t been in place would young Mr. Martin have been arrested for the suspected stolen merchandise, burglary tools and Marijuana that maybe he’d never have been at his father’s girlfriends house in Sanford and maybe he’d never have met George Zimmerman and he would maybe be alive today?

Wanting to divert students and lower contact with the court is a GREAT thing but is being applied in a reckless manner, IMO. So, devils advocate, was Mr. Cruz a “winner” of the “Promise Progam” lottery – given all of his history?

I love my job but I fear every, single day that we’re making unsound decisions based not on research but on assumptions. I fear, deeply, it will come back to bite us in the ass and believe that although not my court, Broward County is seeing that come to bear.

    Exiliado in reply to WillS68. | February 25, 2018 at 4:45 pm

    I know it makes no difference, but I think I’ll point out one little detail.

    That “young man” in that story did not attend a Broward County High School. He was suspended from Dr. Michael Krop High School which is located in Miami Dade.

    snopercod in reply to WillS68. | February 25, 2018 at 5:00 pm

    Thank you for that information.

    Chuckin Houston in reply to WillS68. | February 25, 2018 at 11:24 pm

    Thank you for your post. I was not aware of the Promise Program. This must’ve been what Israel was bragging about during his re-election campaign. I’ve always had a problem with ‘zero tolerance’ since it too often leads to gross foolishness. But, I can seen the potential for schemes like the Promise Program to go off the rails in the other direction, especially when there is money or re-election votes at stake. What ever happened to the concept of adults exercising judgment. A number of the infractions committed by Cruz were quite serious and he should’ve been held to account which would’ve increased the odds of him being prohibited from owning firearms.
    I am concerned that Cruz is not the only kid in Broward County to have received such kid glove treatment by the Sheriff’s Office. How many more have Sheriff Israel turned loose on the streets and in the schools of Florida?.

Exiliado, Makes a big difference and thank you for the correction, I’d read something different.

Here’s the Broward County handbook, Eliminating the School to Prison Pipeline. (Warning: It’s long – 200 page .pdf)

Very Interesting aspect of soon-to-be “Mr.” Israel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1gcYmzywvg

The hypocrisy of this man is only exceeded by the hypocrisy of CNN and Jake Tapper. The sheriff will sure be unemployed and unemployable withing a few weeks while for CNN and Jake Tapper it might take a bit longer even though the same results are guaranteed.

I may yet vomit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROKS_Cheonan

I would go to war over this. Which is why I am not in charge.

You just don’t shoot at my friends, Mr. Jacobson. I shoot back.

No one has explained how he left the school or whether he had the gun when he left or where they found the guin if they found the gun and why didn’t the surviving students identify him immediately or what the superintendent did all that time or where he was.

Just remember that in 2017 at the Ft Lauderdale Airport there was an Active shooter mass-murder in Broward county under Sheriff Israels leadership. Not much has changed.

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