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New York to Remove Subway Tiles Resembling Confederate Flag

New York to Remove Subway Tiles Resembling Confederate Flag

Removal madness continues

Just in case you thought removal madness couldn’t get any wilder…New York!

Friday, MTA announced plans to “modify” some subway tiles in Manhattan. Patrons have complained the tiles, which have graced the Times Square station for these last 100 years too closely resemble the Confederate battle flag.

From local news:

The MTA says it is going to “modify” tiles in a Manhattan subway station that people have complained look like Confederate Flags.

The pattern of tiles have been in the Times Square station for almost 100 years. The architects are said to have installed them to pay homage to the Southern roots of former New York Times newspaper head Adolph S. Ochs.

The MTA has claimed the tiles actually are meant to honor Times Square’s nickname as the “Crossroads of the World” and are not Confederate Flags.

In a statement to Fox 5 News the MTA says: “These are not confederate flags, it is a design based on geometric forms that represent the “Crossroads of the World” and to avoid absolutely any confusion we will modify them to make that absolutely crystal clear.”

The station sits below the former New York Times building and Times Square didn’t actually exist at the time of the Civil War.

The station was renovated in 1998 and included re-creations of the original mosaic design.

Amazingly, these tiles weren’t the least bit offensive these last 100 years, but I digress.

There seems to be no end to the revisionist wave emboldened by the fringe protest in Charlottesville.

Earlier this week, we blogged about a radical pastor in Chicago demanding the Emanual administration rename Washington and Jefferson parks due to their name sake’s slave-holding connections.

No longer are historical figures permitted to be flawed, nor their time in history understood. No more are key players in the founding of our country remembered for their best attributes and accomplishments — progressives are hell-bent on ensuring our best and brightest are remembered only for their sins.

Catering to the overly sensitive and often ignorant is the surest way to expedite cultural decline. Should the revisionist wave continue unabated, America will eventually become completely historically bankrupt. And we all know what happens to those who don’t know their history.

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The Friendly Grizzly | August 18, 2017 at 6:04 pm

Just more off- Broadway comedy.

RING! RING! Hello…it’s China calling.

They want us to stop appropriating their Cultural Revolution.

Anything to avoid actually fixing it and making it run on time….

Humphrey's Executor | August 18, 2017 at 7:02 pm

Add this to the list of cases of mass hysteria.

Infrastructure is crumbling. Schools can’t teach kids to read. Murderers go unprosecuted. But Dem politicians can tell the suckers – “Look what we did for you!”

    YellowSnake in reply to MattMusson. | August 18, 2017 at 7:44 pm

    “Murderers go unprosecuted (sic)” Which?

    YellowSnake in reply to MattMusson. | August 18, 2017 at 9:46 pm

    Infrastructure and schools are hardly a problem caused by democrats, alone. Either of those topics would require a rather long discussion. But your line does make for a good bumper sticker. I have noticed that conservatives have a knack for reducing everything to a bumper sticker – as if there were all these simple solutions (you know, ‘common sense’).

    Ironically, I have long thought that the more reps screw things up, the more political points they make by blaming the screwups on dems. In the south after integration was mandated, didn’t most whites transfer to private schools and the governments defund the public schools? Yes, the governments were controlled by democrats who later became republicans. Those democrats were not liberals – not a one.

      Pelosi Schmelosi in reply to YellowSnake. | August 19, 2017 at 1:42 am

      Apologies for the late response but I just couldn’t let your comment go unanswered.

      …”Ironically, I have long thought that the more reps screw things up, the more political points they make by blaming the screwups on dems….”

      This story is about a bunch of tiles in the shape of an “X” in a subway station in NYC.
      The mayor is far-Left (and an idiot to boot), the Governor is a Cuomo, the subways are a disaster and there isn’t a conservative to be found for 1000 miles.

      The Left OWNS this, just like they own a whole bunch of other things the media provides cover for.
      If there are any “political points” to be made, rest assured those points aren’t being made by “conservatives” with this nonsense.

      When the Left decides it will hold themselves to the same standards they hold everyone else, then maybe, just maybe, we can honestly discuss who to blame for what.

        YellowSnake in reply to Pelosi Schmelosi. | August 19, 2017 at 11:07 am

        The comment was in response to MattMusson who generalized on Dems being so bad. That is why the comment was not about the ‘X’. I was pointing out that not only can Reps be bad, but when they fuke things up, they get people like you to blame Dems. Perhaps you don’t know it, but NYC does not control its own fate – any more than Houston or Dallas.

        The Senate of NYS is controlled by Reps, with the assistance of a few renegade and corrupt ‘Dems’ who caucus with them. Every request that the city makes for autonomy is thwarted and a deal needs to be made with the Reps. So there are Reps within 90 miles who have a powerful control of a place where they don’t live and don’t like. The subways, in particular, are run by a state agency.

        Deblasio may be a left-wing nut, but we have a right-wing nutin the WH and a bunch of them in Congress. What do they accomplish? Where is Trump’s infrastructure bill?

        When the Right decides it will hold themselves to the same standards they hold everyone else, then maybe, just maybe, we can honestly discuss who to blame for what for the country. As I remember, prior to the collapse of the I-35W bridge in 2007, Tim Palenty (R) had stymied attempts to repair, replace or monitor. It was rated seriously structurally efficient. Instead of attacking the government, we all rallied around an got a new bridge built ahead of schedule.

        BTW, I use the NYC subway system periodically, but not daily. I find it clean,cheap and efficient. After years of very few incidents, there has been a uptick. But when have you ever seen a headline – “‘Whatever’ is doing Great?” It is still safer and cheaper to commute to work by subway than to commute to work by car almost anywhere in the country.

Can we play that game? Let’s see Wilson (racist), Sanger (planned parenthood), FDR (since he did those Japanese camps), Byrd (KKK), the fist in Detroit, Stalin in Seattle.

Well, if some of you guys didn’t go marching around with Confederate Battle Flags and Swastikas, this hysteria might never have gotten started.

If the statues and monuments that were put up during Reconstruction and the Civil Rights Era to signify a defiance of the fact that the slave states lost and Jim Crow had to end, this might have ended rationally.

But now the crazies on both sides have seized the day. Enjoy it. It is what you wanted. Reductio ad absurdum!

    Milwaukee in reply to YellowSnake. | August 18, 2017 at 9:29 pm

    My recollection is that Southerners did Civil War battle re-enactments for a long time, without any problems. But it was Southern Democrats who really pushed the Confederate battle flag in their racist zeal against civil rights in the 60’s. Democrats would know that this is promoting white supremacy because they were about pushing white supremacy.

      YellowSnake in reply to Milwaukee. | August 19, 2017 at 11:15 am

      Give up that canard. ‘Southern Democrats’ were conservatives, not liberals. They joined the Republicans when the rest of the Democrats supported Civil Rights.

      You can repeat that BS, but what it shows is that their behavior is indefensible and you think you can deflect from that behavior with sophistry. We all know that the modern democratic party does not share the legacy of Jim Crow, but the republicans do. Strom Thurman being a case in point.

        No BS, Stalin. Just put the airbrush away.

        “Strom Thurman being a case in point.”

        You are just an ignorant commie liar. First, Strom Thurmond.

        Second, he was a democrat until 1964.

        While a democrat, he spoke in opposition to the civil rights act, in 1957. As a democrat.

        The “modern” democrat party loves em the inner city plantations and has no interest in seeing the plight of black folks improve.

          Milhouse in reply to Barry. | August 20, 2017 at 2:54 am

          Most of the segregationist became Republicans after the Civil Rights Act of 1964. That is why the Republicans own segregation – because they took in and embraced the segregationists en mass.

          This is simply not true. It’s a Democrat lie.

          Barry in reply to Barry. | August 20, 2017 at 12:10 pm

          You are a paid commie propaganda hack, a liar. You cannot support your BS, why you never do. You just lie and pretend it is fact.

          Milhouse already spoke the truth.

          Go ahead, list all those racist democrats that turned republican.

          The democrat party is historically a racist party and continues to be the party of racists.

        Milhouse in reply to YellowSnake. | August 20, 2017 at 2:52 am

        Give up that canard. ‘Southern Democrats’ were conservatives, not liberals. They joined the Republicans when the rest of the Democrats supported Civil Rights.

        No, they didn’t. Almost all of them stayed Democrats to the very end. The south didn’t become Republican until that generation was mostly gone.

    Hello, YellowSnake…I realize you are one of the liberal commenters on here…so it’s your job to say, “You right wingers are to blame for….” (fill in the blank) (and there’s nothing wrong with that.)

    But even YOU have got to admit…this particular story is…Beyond Dumb!!
    Come on man…politics aside…be honest…???

      YellowSnake in reply to tgrondo. | August 19, 2017 at 11:24 am

      Hello, YellowSnake…I realize you are one of the liberal commenters on here…so it’s your job to say, “You right wingers are to blame for….” (fill in the blank) (and there’s nothing wrong with that.)

      As conservatives here act like a biased, willfully blind Greek Chorus.

      Of course this particular story is dumb. But read the comments. Your fellow commentators are busy making it a mountain and the underlying story about monuments that were put up during Reconstruction and the Civil Rights Movement as an FU is not dumb. Politics aside…be honest. Look at ‘c0cac0la’ – I picked him because he was visible while I was writing this. I could have picked a dozen others just as self-righteous, self-pitying, misrepresenting and FOS.

        Mr. YellowSnake…I appreciate the response…I meant no dis-respect.

        I have been reading and enjoying LI and the commenters for about a year…I was merely offering my observation.

        Many of the commenters seem to fulfill certain rolls…yours is to tweak the conservatives…

        When you speak of bias, the game that is being played is one I like to call:
        “My side is great cause it’s my side, Your side sucks cause it’s your side.”

        I agree there are a lot of sidetracked opinions about this story…but you’re doing it too.

        I can understand some people being upset about a statue of Gen. Lee…But this isn’t a statue…these are geometric shapes on a F’n wall!!!

        I just want someone to admit that sometimes a rectangle is just a rectangle…sometimes a triangle is just a triangle!!

        No one knows the real history of this instillation. There’s no written record. The story that it’s a “tribute” to some Southern dude is mere speculation.
        (oooh…It’s like legend…passed down from father to son)

        I’ve done this kind of tile work…to get everything straight, get the colors arranged, get the tiles matched… and do it on a large vertical surface can be a real pain in the ass…But when you’re finished you feel real satisfaction.

        It just irritates me to see an artisans’ work torn up because some people can’t see it for what it is…

1) Didn’t anyone notice this before this week? Like, during installation?

2) The confederate cause was a terrible one. I don’t have a problem honoring the men who fought honorably for a losing cause, and we darned sure have to protect their cemeteries. But I see no reason to put up with these symbols in the open public. It was, after all, sedition and treason against our country.

By the way, I feel the same way about swastikas, hammer-and-sickle emblems, and Che T shirts.

    You’ve got a point.

    But this is b.s., and merely about censorship.

    In any event, NYC has to pay for the wall, so let them rip the wall out.

      YellowSnake in reply to | August 18, 2017 at 10:00 pm

      I don’t advocate that they do anything, but they don’t have to rip out walls. The symbols are mosaics in the wall.

      What do you think about commemorations of Jefferson Davis? He didn’t surrender honorably. He ran away.

        But these aren’t symbols…they are geometric shapes…
        You can’t just look at the X shape….You’ve got to look at the whole wall!

        Think of it as several connected rectangles…The X shapes are the connectors….

          YellowSnake in reply to tgrondo. | August 19, 2017 at 11:27 am

          Of course. They were originally put up so that illiterates and non-English speakers could identify stations.

          But the underlying issue is far from silly.

    YellowSnake in reply to stevewhitemd. | August 18, 2017 at 9:35 pm

    1) There apparently was nothing to notice. The subways served a large number of illiterates or those not able to read English. So every station had a unique symbol. The article points out that the symbol in Times Sq may have stood for ‘crossroads’. It bears the same resemblance to the Confederate Battle Flag as niggardly does to n–ger – none.

    2} Outside of southern Florida, Che T shirts are kitsch. You have a point about the hammer-and-sickle and I will have to give it some thought. But there is a difference from the swastika. A lot of crimes were committed under the H&S, but is any group threatened in the way that a swastika is a direct threat to Jews, gays, Romanies, blacks or other ethnic groups? You see swastikas desecrating synagogues and cemeteries. Where do you see the H&S?

    But this is really about government and public spaces. No town, state or the federal government is displaying any of the latter symbols. The monuments are in your face.

      DaveGinOly in reply to YellowSnake. | August 19, 2017 at 1:18 am

      The monuments are so in-your-face that CNN had to publish a map showing the locations of all such monuments across the country.

        YellowSnake in reply to DaveGinOly. | August 19, 2017 at 11:34 am

        Huh? How has CNN publishing a national map so that we who do not live in particular place may know about them?

        They were put there to be in the face of local blacks and to send a message about who is in charge.

        If CNN put out a map of all ‘Super Fund sites’, would that meant that a particular Super Fund site was not a problem. Your logic escapes me.

That doesn’t look like a Confederate flag!!!! The colors are all wrong!!!
Oh yes…the old Stars & Bars…Maroon, Blue, Green, and Tan??

I say, we must eliminate the letter X from the alphabet…
Cause if you turn an X on it’s side, you have…the rebel flag!

Blind fu**ing idiots apparently.

    YellowSnake in reply to Barry. | August 18, 2017 at 10:02 pm

    Yes, I would put their idiocy almost down there with those marching for white power.

      clintack in reply to YellowSnake. | August 19, 2017 at 8:20 am

      The difference is that we pretty much all agree that the white power idiots are idiots.

      About half the country seems to nod along and agree with the idiots in question here.

You know what this means. All crisscrossing roads, tracks, etc. must be dismantled and replaced with roundabouts. New York City should get right on that. They should also enlist Planned Parenthood to process unworthy, inconvenient, but not profitable babies and sanctify their project in virginal blood.

    YellowSnake in reply to n.n. | August 18, 2017 at 10:04 pm

    Virginal blood? You have a real hangup about sex, eh?

    gibbie in reply to n.n. | August 19, 2017 at 9:54 am

    The two most important issues we have in this country:

    The child-sacrifice culture, exemplified by the sexual revolution, no-fault divorce, and abortion. The fate of other child-sacrifice cultures has not been pretty.

    A public education system which is run by a government bureaucracy and which indoctrinates children with beliefs which are counter to those of many parents and taxpayers.

    n.n can bring up abortion as frequently as he wants.

The next time you want your city to fix a pothole in your street that they have been ignoring for months just say that it resembles a Confederate flag.

The atheist left believes that people are inherently good and perfectible, and have to be taught to be wicked. They think that if they remove all offensive speech and images people will be perfected. They always eventually get around to removing offensive people too.

The ultimate offense to the atheist left is that of the Cross, which asserts that people are inherently so sinful that God had to become a man and take our sin upon himself in order for us to be forgiven.

Wait…. The NYT was headed by a white southern racist?
Tear it down!

Heard a caller to a talk show last week say something interesting:
You have a right to be offended. But being offended does not make you right.

DINORightMarie | August 19, 2017 at 1:47 am

“…to avoid absolutely any confusion we will modify them to make that absolutely crystal clear.”

I wonder what their design that will guarantee that the next one won’t be misinterpreted, given that this is a huge expense to kowtow to the PC SJW leftist hysteria. A plus sign – that would represent British colonial tyranny (i.e. African colonialism). A plus combined with an X – that would be the UK flag – again, British colonialism tyranny. Won’t happen.

I am guessing they’ll replace it with a yellow happy face with a blue background……the symbol of Liberal Fascism .

Go south take sown the statues. Your everyday person will not run to the square to stop it. But they will remember President Trump railing against the destruct.

    clintack in reply to Notanymore. | August 19, 2017 at 8:28 am

    Take down which statues?

    When they start to vandalize the Washington and Jefferson statues, you can bet that everyday folks will indeed remember President Trump asking where it would stop.

It would seem the logical conclusion for their endgame would be the removal of all whites, since they are the oppressors after all.

How can you miss the bigotry in this? This strongly resembles a St. Andrew’s Cross and the effort to remove it is clearly microaggression and a clear case of Scotsophobia.

Mayors of big blue cities have to accommodate the primacy occupants of their big blue voter hatcheries.

Chuckin Houston | August 19, 2017 at 2:15 pm

I hear Scotland is rethinking their national flag adorned with the Cross of St. Andrew. They don’t want their flag to micro-trigger American tourists and send them into a fit of paroxysm.

As this story shows, the progressive left are now post-irrational. Mark my words, it won’t stop at this. They smell blood. Nothing and no one is safe. Lenin in Seattle though is totes cool. This won’t end well and Trump – just like he was right about blaming many sides about C’ville – is once again asking the correct question: Where will it end? Know who else wanted to remove statues and who like blowing them up?