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John McCain Not Interested in Obamacare Repeal Now and Replacement Later

John McCain Not Interested in Obamacare Repeal Now and Replacement Later

“I fear we may fall under the trap of repealing and not replacing and that would be bad for America”

The Senate GOP’s latest effort to fix Obamacare failed to garner support from the conservative wing of the party.

The fractured caucus led Sen. Sasse (R-NE) to call for the complete repeal of Obamacare followed by a completely separate replacement. Sasse suggested leaving Obamacare intact as is for one year to protect its current consumers while the Senate hashes out a replacement.

President Trump mirrored Sasse’s sentiments.

Enter Sen. McCain with the ultimate Beltway assessment, “I fear we may fall under the trap of repealing and not replacing and that would be bad for America,” he said.

Arizona local news reported:

McCain — who has not said if he supported the Senate bill or not — said he had spoken with Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey about the matter.

McCain said Ducey wanted to see at least three amendments to the bill before he would support it.

“I’m getting those amendments written up, so I’ll be ready to present them if and when the bill comes to the floor,” he said. “I believe Gov. Ducey has to play an important role because, as governor, he has the primary responsibility.”

Why does Obamacare need a replacement at all? And why are so many Republicans who argued against the government co-opting a huge chunk of the private sector now concerned about returning control back to the market?

I’m so old, I remember when Republicans pretended to be the party of limited government, not the party worried about the best way for Government to manage one-sixth of the private economy.

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Comments

This is my “Shocked!!!” face.

I’m working out and taking care of myself just so I have a chance to outlive that ass.

Grandpa John wet himself again.

Please retire!

inspectorudy | July 6, 2017 at 12:31 pm

What a weasel! What he is saying is that if his pampered group of idiots in the Senate repeal obamacare they don’t have the guts to replace it. Our country comes second to their lifetime jobs. What a useless bunch of lifetime losers.

Surprise, surprise, surprise!!!

Does anyone still expect anything different? It is now at the point that the Republicans are making no attempt to even suggest that they wish to repeal Obamacare or even to replace it with something different.

I have stated over and over that the GOP has no more desire or incentive to repeal Obamacare than the Democrats. It simply is not going to happen with the current crop of Republicans in the Congress.

    mailman in reply to Mac45. | July 6, 2017 at 12:51 pm

    The reality is the GOP and Democrats only have one groups interest at heart. Theirs!

    America and everyone outside the DC swamp don’t even factor in to the equation!

      n.n in reply to mailman. | July 6, 2017 at 1:13 pm

      To be fair, there are differences. Beware overlapping and convergent interests that fail to reconcile moral, natural, and personal imperatives.

    notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to Mac45. | July 6, 2017 at 2:07 pm

    This means election season 2018 is the season for removing RINOs.

The GOPe is a group of s-bags nearly as corrupt and dangerous as the democrat.

They are personified by this backstabbing piece of garbage, who we would have been better off leaving behind in Vietnam.

McCain’s Kremlin Ties: He may talk tough about Russia, but John McCain’s political advisors have advanced Putin’s imperial ambitions.
https://www.thenation.com/article/mccains-kremlin-ties/

Obamacare needs to be repealed, period.

Conflation of medical insurance, medical care, and health care.

Health care, in particular, begins with education reform. Affordability and availability of medical care begins with restoring market price controls and ending [class] diversity’s sponsorship of prejudice, respectively. Oh, and end Obama’s elective “green” wars that forced catastrophic anthropogenic immigration reform for votes and profit.

    n.n in reply to n.n. | July 6, 2017 at 1:15 pm

    Health care, in particular, begins with education… and moral reform. Let’s start with teaching biology and self-moderation, and put Planned Parenthood et al out of business.

4th armored div | July 6, 2017 at 1:19 pm

it may be time for DJT to start a new party – the AmericaPatrioticParty and let whoever feels like they cannot support the Rinos and Dumbos join and help return America to what the founders envisioned how a free people governed themselves.

Remember always that T-rump endorsed his re-election.

See why I refer to Mr. Establishment?

    Pelosi Schmelosi in reply to Ragspierre. | July 6, 2017 at 1:53 pm

    Rags:

    I do believe he endorsed – albeit lukewarmly – McCain so the GOP would retain control of the Senate. I know it’s been a looong time for you but perhaps you might remember that the Senate was seemingly up for grabs last year. Just sayin…

      Ragspierre in reply to Pelosi Schmelosi. | July 6, 2017 at 2:05 pm

      Yeah, Pelosi. I recognize it was hard for you to admit, and you had to temporize, but you got it out.

      T-rump endorsed McAnus. Period.

        Pelosi Schmelosi in reply to Ragspierre. | July 6, 2017 at 4:31 pm

        Is that all ya got chief?
        Bwaaa

        Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | July 6, 2017 at 4:37 pm

        Well, you should try to expand on that, “Chief”.

        Did or did not T-rump endorse McAnus?

        Was or was not the “establishment” in action?

        Would you have done that?

        Start with a simple “yes” or “no”, but feel free to expound.

        I’m on record saying I would NOT, and that’s just consistent with my view of McAnus for decades.

        You can tell us all why I’m wrong.

        Go ahead. You have the floor…

      Ragspierre in reply to Pelosi Schmelosi. | July 6, 2017 at 2:57 pm

      Oh, down-thumbers…

      Mr. Establishment, Swamp Drainage Delux, DIDN’T endorse McAnus last year? Along with McConnel and Ryan…???

      Really…???

    Kid Glock in reply to Ragspierre. | July 6, 2017 at 4:34 pm

    Who do you like? Were you with her?

      Ragspierre in reply to Kid Glock. | July 6, 2017 at 4:40 pm

      I like conservatives. As I’ve said here about a thousand times.

      Who do you like? New York Progressive frauds?

      Personally, I’ve never had any time for them.

        Kid Glock in reply to Ragspierre. | July 6, 2017 at 4:42 pm

        I like conservatives also. Especially the type who are loving POTUS Trump’s conservative agenda right now.

          Ragspierre in reply to Kid Glock. | July 6, 2017 at 4:52 pm

          OK. What about his Keynesian T-rumpulous plan to spend a trillion dollars on “infrastructure”.

          Or his trade policy, that’s identical to Bernie Sander’s.

          Or his love of IvankaCare for creating a new, vastly expensive entitlement.

          Or his belief that he has the right and power under the Constitution to tell you and me who we can trade with, and under what conditions.

          Or his view that the House position on ObamaCare was “mean”.

          Do you even read?

    Kid Glock in reply to Ragspierre. | July 6, 2017 at 4:41 pm

    I know why you refer to POTUS Trump as “Mr. Establishment”, it’s because he is cutting the State Dept. workforce by 20%, he withdrew us from the PCA, he is deregulating as quickly as possible, cutting the EPA in scope and overreach, allowing States to take more control over their Public Education, enabling school choice, forced NATO to pay up, harassing the msm every chance he gets …. wait a minute, if you referred to POTUS Trump as “Mr.Establisment” after he’s engaged all of the previously noted accomplishments, you’d have to be an idiot.

      Ragspierre in reply to Kid Glock. | July 6, 2017 at 4:47 pm

      No. I refer to Der Donald as Mr. Establishment because of his life-long practice of supporting Deemocrats with money and with whatever influence he could offer them, along with his life-long practice of using the system to screw the little guy, along with whoever was in his way, including the people of Nuevo Ork.

      I take a longer view than the last ten minutes of political expediency.

        Kid Glock in reply to Ragspierre. | July 6, 2017 at 6:36 pm

        “I take a longer view than the last ten minutes of political expediency.”

        In other words, “you got nothin’.”.

        So interesting, you judge Trump on words of the past, not his actions since he’s been in office. You must be very tortured.

        Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | July 6, 2017 at 6:45 pm

        In other words, you suck T-rump.

        So interesting to judge T-rump by ignoring all his 70 years of life. Prior to becoming a “campaign conservative”.

        You can be a voluntary dupe. Count me out.

    Barry in reply to Ragspierre. | July 6, 2017 at 7:35 pm

    Raggsy endorsed McCain for president by voting for him.

    But he didn’t vote for Trump.

    See why I refer to him as Mr. prog?

    Only a deranged nevertrumper could believe President Trump is a part of what we call the establishment. Of course raggsy doesn’t believe any such thing, he just lies and lies.

      Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | July 6, 2017 at 9:33 pm

      No, lying TWOT. I voted for Palin, as you know, because we’ve been around this barn before.

      And, as you also know, being the lying POS you are, I don’t lie.

      T-rump IS Mr. Establishment, having been a Helldery and Schumer contributor for years, and a supporter of New York Deemocrats for decades.

      But you’ll lie about anything in service of your lover, Der Donald.

Anything John McCain says is bad, in my opinion, must be GOOD.

Our 2008 nominee for the presidency. Just in case anyone was inclined to forget just how broken our primary system is.

    notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to Same Same. | July 6, 2017 at 2:10 pm

    Yes, and except for McCain’s evil acts of colluding with the evil Demcrat Party & Obama, Sarah Palin would have won that presidential election of 2008.

    Milhouse in reply to Same Same. | July 6, 2017 at 2:18 pm

    But don’t forget that in 2008 he ran on a truly excellent plan to reform the health insurance system. And together with the entire GOP senate caucus he stood absolutely firm against 0bamacare. So he’s not all bad. Just mostly.

Pelosi Schmelosi | July 6, 2017 at 1:51 pm

Governor Doooosh-eee has greater political aspirations. Prolly licking his chops over McCain’s seat. Not to mention that O-Care has decimated Arizonans for a few years now and there’s only one provider left if that.

As for the Senate, I thought they were the World’s Greatest Deliberative Body or something?

Here’s an idea – blast from the past – let’s insist…once again…that Congress be forced to use whatever health insurance scheme they agree upon.

nordic_prince | July 6, 2017 at 2:37 pm

No, you has-been, replacing Zerocare is what would be bad for America. The government needs to get out of healthcare, period. No ifs, ands, or buts.

We all managed to survive somehow before 2009 – we can do it again.

So sick of the RINOs carrying the Dems’ water for them all the time.

Ragspierre | July 6, 2017 at 1:28 pm
Remember always that T-rump endorsed his re-election.

See why I refer to Mr. Establishment?
————

We tried to primary McCain but Kelli Ward shot herself in the foot talking about chem-trails. The sad part is that Alex Meluskey had dropped out so as to not split the vote and she nukes her own candidacy.

Afterward we had a choice: McCain (who votes Dem about 50% of the time) or Kirkpatrick (who votes Dem about 95% of the time) but also to (theoretically) retain control of the Senate. So no choice at all, really.

What was Trump supposed to do at a time when all we heard was how he was dividing the GOP? No endorsement of McCain is exactly the same as endorsing the opposition. Paul Ryan: same scenario.

So what should he have done? Like the Professor says, “you go to war with the candidate you have, not the one you wish you had.”

What would you have done?

sing another one songbird…

I’m being redundant, but McCain & all the establishment GOP are simply con men. “Repeal O-Care!” was no more sincere than “Build the Dang Fence!” And we pay them to con us.

Common Sense | July 6, 2017 at 4:26 pm

McCain is the best example of why there should be term limits.
The idiot should have been replaced years ago.

    Ragspierre in reply to Common Sense. | July 6, 2017 at 4:56 pm

    Yep, and there are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many other irrefutable arguments in the flesh.

    Maxi Waters, Sheila Jackson-Lee, Nanny Pelosi, Chawley Rangel, etc, etc, and more etc.

Ragspierre | July 6, 2017 at 3:18 pm
Since you asked, as respects McAnus, I’d have kept mum. Which I think would speak volumes.

Don’t you?
———-

Yes.

And staying silent at that juncture would have been considered a tacit endorsement of the Democrat, Kirkpatrick in this case. Trump would have been excoriated for not supporting the party (ironic considering the way the party supported him). In hindsight we KNOW it would not have mattered what Trump did.

He had no choice but to endorse McCain. I am actively praying for the political destruction of John McCain. He has been a liar and a cheat for at least 25 years that I have been paying attention. In Trumps position I would have held my nose and endorsed McCain

I am hoping that the truth about John McCain is released before he dies. “Songbird” needs to be brought to the light. If those rumors are true, and I think they are, I want McCain to fry.

Trump has a reputation of giving people a chance. After that he drops the hammer. I’d like to see John McCain under that hammer.

    Ragspierre in reply to RedEchos. | July 6, 2017 at 5:23 pm

    “He had no choice but to endorse McCain. I am actively praying for the political destruction of John McCain. He has been a liar and a cheat for at least 25 years that I have been paying attention. In Trumps position I would have held my nose and endorsed McCain.”

    Sure he had a choice. Integrity would dictate what that was, too.

    But I understand your comment. It isn’t “deplorable”. Though I think it wrong. We will agree to disagree.

Look up-thread at the “down-thumbers” who kick against the objective facts regarding Mr. Establishment’s endorsements.

Pitiful.

OleDirtyBarrister | July 6, 2017 at 5:49 pm

The Fireball Of The Forrestal strikes again.

As if ObamaCare has been good for America. Or anything else that Congress and the rest of the federal govt have done in medicine over the last 60 years.

One of the biggest problems we have is that no one in Congress wants to take a comprehensive look at all the problems the federal and state govts have created by meddling in healthcare over the last 60 years or so and correct them by backing the govt out as much as possible and giving hospitals, clinics, doctors, drug and device makers, and taxpayers the tools that they need to try to solve the problems.

    Ragspierre in reply to OleDirtyBarrister. | July 6, 2017 at 6:33 pm

    Yeo. But it goes back a bit further.

    When FDR imposed wage controls, he set in motion an incentive program to attract good people for jobs that employers could not directly pay to bring on board.

    Hence began the era of “perks”, one of which was company health insurance. Prior to that, medical CARE was provided just swell from care-giver to payer, and docs made house calls as a matter of routine. It was, by definition, “affordable”. Oddly enough, nobody “died in the streets”, as per T-rump.

    The ol’ “perverse incentives” and “unintended consequences” thingies….

      OleDirtyBarrister in reply to Ragspierre. | July 6, 2017 at 7:54 pm

      I don’t know the state of affairs of medical services well in the 30’s and 40’s, but recall reading that Truman or Congressional Democrats raised universal healthcare for the first time in about ’47 or ’48. It took the Dems a long time to get to the ACA, but unlike Repubs, they never give up on their agenda.

        Ragspierre in reply to OleDirtyBarrister. | July 7, 2017 at 7:57 am

        Well, that one thing was in all respects their holy grail.

        It provides them almost limitless power and excuses to use it against each individual American’s choices.

        As we’ve seen so clearly in the instance of the Little Sisters Of The Poor. And they were just getting cranked up…!!!

        Of course it is fiscally unsustainable, but so is our existing structure of entitlements that T-rump promised during the campaign would remain fully funded. That was a deplorable lie. It can’t.

        But that isn’t the prime reason to fight it like fire. The prime reason is to protect individual liberty.

          OleDirtyBarrister in reply to Ragspierre. | July 7, 2017 at 6:43 pm

          Healthcare spending is now reported to be 17% of the GDP. Inflation in the healthcare sector is crazy, easily around 7-10% not including the inflation in insurance premiums in recent years. The govt purposely under-measures inflation and therefore does not adjust the nominal GDP number to correct for inflation. So if we have rampant inflation in a sector constitution 17% (obviously almost one-fifth of the economy) and use a superficially low adjustment factor, the result is that healthcare inflation alone can create a false positive rate of growth in the economy of perhaps 1-2%.

          If one looks at reported GDP growth, which has been anemic for years, and really bores into reality, the truth is likely that the economy is not growing and the reported growth is attributable to inflation. And healthcare sector inflation is largely responsible for reported economic growth. That ultimately means that we have bigger problems than most recognize or admit.

      Mac45 in reply to Ragspierre. | July 7, 2017 at 5:32 pm

      Yes, this was all started by the Liberal Progressives in the FDR years. However, it was still not an issue until the Federal government instituted the largest 3rd party payer in the healthcare industry, Medicare, in 1964. Then we rolled out Medicaid in 1965 which really took off in the 1980s. Any time you have a guaranteed payment for services, especially a 3rd party payer, this leads to increased costs. Costs became so bad, by the 1980s, that private insurance companies were moving to control them by setting up medical care networks and limiting availability to procedures. Yet, still costs kept climbing to the point where not even the insurance companies could pay for medical care and still make money. Now, most people can not afford to pay for their own medical care. In fact, it is so expensive that most people can not even pay their own medical insurance premiums.

      We need to get the governments out of medical insurance. But, if we do, there is going to be a large number of people who will not have medical care insurance and some will suffer as a result. For this reason, it is going to be very difficult to find any support for what must be done among elected politicians.

in-suhr-ect | July 6, 2017 at 11:40 pm

If the Democrat were to create the ideal (for them) Republican, they’d invent McCain. Why does Arizona keep electing this character?

OleDirtyBarrister | July 7, 2017 at 12:27 pm

The Tea Party and insurgent type Repubs need to introduce another, interim piece of legislation to place all members of Congress and all federal troughfeeders in the civil bureaus on ObamaCare until such time the legislation is repealed.

Then, when Chucky Boy and Fancy Nancy stand up extolling the virtues of the ACA and harping on Repubs for trying to repeal it, perhaps one smart Repub with a sharp with and sharp elbows can use the pending legislation as a cudgel and ask, “If O-Care is so great, why is it that you personally refuse to go on it and refuse to put your staff and all federal employees on it?” “Good enough for thee, but not for me” would be a useful theme.

You may not know this, but federal employees at the civil agencies are the last people in the country with great, affordable health insurance. I had an legal engagement with a fellow whose wife works for USFWS, as a graphic designer (rolling eyes at notion of USFWS having graphic designers on the payroll), and he was bragging to me about how great his coverage was and how little it cost to get fixed up after a bicycle accident that broke his collarbone and scuffed him up. The people that produce the least and a deadweight on the taxpayer end up with the best insurance and healthcare.

Someone in Congress pointed out a few years ago that it would still be cheaper to make everyone or all the uninsurables eligible for the insurance plan federal employees have.

People are still failing to understand what the 2016 Presidential race was all about. Many people are still clinging to an conservative v liberal mentality. But, that was not what happened.

The battle in 2016 was between Elitist Global Socialism and Populist Nationalism. This nation has tried Elitist Global Socialism for the last 25 years. It started under R Reagan, continued under GHW Bush, was augmented under WJ Clinton, continued under GW Bush and allowed to run rampant under BH Obama. The wealth of this nation, and other 1st world nations, was stripped to augment that of 2nd and 3rd world nations. Employment and capital investment soared in places like China, Mexico and even Vietnam; while it decreased substantially in the US and Europe.

Trump ran as a populist [not a conservative or liberal] making certain promises of change. To date, he has actually done the vast majority of those things that he promised. But, all that he has done are those things which HE can do unilaterally. What he has not been able to accomplish, as yet, are those which require the actions of sitting Congressmen, all of whom; be they conservative, moderate or liberal; are Elitist Global Socialists. They are bought and paid for. If Trump could be bought and paid for, like the rest of the DC political corps, then we would not see the attempts to remove and destroy him that are currently under weigh.

Political conservatism is dead. Liberalism has been co-opted by the elitists in the Global Socialist movement.

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