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Hamilton protest further erases line between the personal and political life

Hamilton protest further erases line between the personal and political life

There is no place to hide from the political life anymore, not even in a theater watching a musical.

The Hamilton Musical protest, in which the cast went political on VP-elect Mike Pence at the end of the show, certainly made the weekend interesting.

Mike Pence this morning brushed off the event, stating that the boos were “what freedom looks like” and said he wasn’t offended by the cast members actions; though he did say he’d “leave it to others” to decide if that was the right time and place for a political protest. President-Elect was less forgiving, sending out multiple tweets criticizing the protest.

You can see additional reactions in our two prior posts (here and here).

Most of those reactions miss the big point.

Increasingly we see a line crossed. I’m not talking about a line of public civility by politicians or protesters, of which there is little left.

I’m talking about the line between political and non-political life.

We’ve seen Black Lives Matters protesters confront random diners and disrupt random shopping malls as a tactic, as one example. Eating out or going shopping now becomes a political event.

The Hamilton protest showed that there is very little non-political life anymore, not even in the theater watching a musical. Mike Pence is a political figure, but others in the audience were not, yet they were dragged into the political theater.

It seems to be a trend which will accelerate. The reactions to Trump’s election have been so unhinged, I expect these random acts of political aggressiveness directed at your personal life to accelerate. The regressive alt-left of the anti-Bush coalition is reinvigorated. Publications and groups no one has given much thought to in 8 years are not back in action, like Daily Kos, TPM and MoveOn.org, just to name a few.

The alt-left if organizing furiously for “direct action,” whipping people into a frenzy over the prospect of “Hitler” taking over. If my Facebook feed is any indication, and I think it is, many otherwise rational people on the left have lost it or are about to lose it.

That delicate line between the personal and the political life will disappear completely pretty soon.

I think it’s going to get very ugly, and there will be no place to escape it, not even in the theater for a musical.

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Preparing the battlefield.

It is imperative people vote with their feet and pocketbooks, to put arrogant, ignorant clowns like these out of business.

Only then will this stop.

I love it alt-left! That is like every democrat, correct?

    All but one. Rags is a regular lefty.

      This is a patently untrue statement, Barry. While you guys are so busy putting your brainpower into Rags “tactics” and painting them (and apparently by weak logic) as leftist, you might find it revealing to look at your own tactics.

      You’ve either read or said (typed) enough times that Rags is a leftist that it’s now your personal truth or you’ve taken this glaringly false line of attack to marginalize and belittle him.

      These are staples of the leftist arsenal: repeat a lie until it becomes truth, and pick a target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize.

      Either way, are you really proud to come across as exactly what you falsely accuse Rags of being?

        He smells like a Moby, walks like a Moby, quacks like a Moby.

        So while I can appreciate your desire to defend him from what appears (to you) to be unfair bullying, I think its a stretch to criticize others who suspect he is not acting in good faith.

        Consider: the day after the election, there were two types of Trump haters posting here

        1) people who gave a mea culpa and wished him (and us) the best, as I believe you did, and

        2) people like Clinton supporters who were AWOL for a few days, likely nursing their wounds and avoiding victory celebrations

        Where was Rags? He was in Group 2.

          Ragspierre in reply to Fen. | November 21, 2016 at 7:36 am

          Thus you erect your typical straw man (which is perforce a lie) and then you make him me.

          I was here. I was posting. And you’re a stinking, lying sack of filth.

          Fen, I am still not happy about your request that LI authors write about when we should start an actual revolution (that’s nuts, you get that, right?), but as Hillary lost, that’s a non-starter now.

          A couple points:

          One, you are correct in one thing: I want Trump to succeed, I want him to be a truly amazing president.
          Two, I want to give him time and room to get his agenda off the floor and working. I want, in other words, to give him the chance to prove himself.
          Three, I have never, ever, issued a mea culpa about my views on Trump. I stand by everything I have written about him, and I still believe it all. My hope, however, is that the weight of the Office, the advisers like Sessions and Pence he has around him, and access to the highest level of intelligence will temper his totalitarian tendencies.

          You are sadly and truly mistaken if you think that every Trump voter, I am one, will excuse, spin, and otherwise cover for Trump as the Obots did for Obama. It won’t happen. Trump had a core of enthusiastic voters, but he also had a lot of us who realized that we had to vote for him because Hillary was too close to winning, or to minimize her “mandate.” I live in Florida, and I voted for Trump because he was, had to be, better than Hillary. If he’s not, don’t think for one minute that I and everyone else with a brain won’t be pointing out his failures.

          You, not I, have to make a decision. How far will go to contort yourself into supporting assorted Trump policies that are going to be absolute disasters? He’s pushing an Obama-style stimulus for infrastructure, one Bernie supports because it’s absolutely doomed to failure in terms of helping the economy. Spend a trillion dollars of taxpayer money to build bridges and roads for a few months to a year? Yeah, that helps whom? It was stupid when Obama wanted it, and it’s stupid now (even though the beloved Cheeto King is now the one touting it). Hopefully, reasonable conservatives will point out that his crazed Trumpulus is a disaster in the making.

          What about the child care deduction? That’s essentially taking money from every taxpayer to fund everyone’s childcare. Is this REALLY the job of the federal government? To make sure someone else pays for people’s child care?

          Look, I can’t say enough that I want Trump to succeed or that I’m pleased as Punch that Hillary lost, but don’t mistake that for deaf, dumb, and blindness (or in some out-of-touch fantasy land that this means mindless support for Trump). As the prof noted, we will be watching, and we will be holding his feet to the fire. No president should ever be as coddled and protected from protest and logic as Obama was. That ends. And it ends now.

        CloseTheFed in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | November 21, 2016 at 7:55 am

        I don’t think Rags is a leftist, but he surely writes bitterly and viciiously, which is a drag.

        Either way, are you really proud to come across as exactly what you falsely accuse Rags of being?

        Not sure what you mean by that. “falsely accuse Rags”

        Rags lost his objectivity a long time ago. It is interesting and humoring that Barry thought that about Rags. I actually thought the same thing, but did not write it. Thought it would not be nice even though Rags does not hold back (or maybe he does and he is a lot worst behind the scene). What do I know? I am just a lying moron according to Rags.

        When he does not agree with someone or is proven off base, his target becomes his favorite word “lying”. His disrespect by others is brought on by himself.

        Rags trolls and catches fish. What’s the problem?!

        Rags is like the Jacobin Jeffersons claiming to have more intellect than the opposing views such as Hamilton’s Federalist. In the end, the Jacobin’s were on the wrong end of history. How appropriate that this is from the pages of Chernow’s Hamilton book.

          If you read the comment to which I was referring, you would know that I am referring to Barry calling Rags a leftist.

          That is patently untrue, and smacks more of leftist Alinsky tactics than anything Rags has written.

          I stand by that assessment.

        Touchy, touchy, touchy.

        A lack of humor is a hallmark of the left. Just sayin.

        Mark Levin says trumps tax plan is a really good one. Rags leaves that out of his quote.

        Michelle Fields claims she was assaulted by Lewandoski. Rags “clearly” see’s this assault in the video.

        Violence perpetrated by the left at a trump rally is Trumps fault according to Rags.

        Rags believes any and all accusations that come from the left against Trump.

        There is a lot more.

        A rational person reading rags might just get the idea he is a lefty.

        “You’ve either read or said (typed) enough times that Rags is a leftist that it’s now your personal truth or you’ve taken this glaringly false line of attack to marginalize and belittle him.”

        The latter rather than the former. See “humor” as stated above.

        “These are staples of the leftist arsenal: repeat a lie until it becomes truth, and pick a target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize.”

        Sounds like Raggsy alright.

        “Either way, are you really proud to come across as exactly what you falsely accuse Rags of being?”

        Does Raggsy ask for your defensive help?

        It’s called humor. I know it’s a bit difficult for certain types to understand.

          Ah, the typical leftist response, Barry: gee, I’m just making a joke. I’m a comedian, it’s funny when I make jokes. Jon Stewart, Bill Maher, and a host of other prominent progressives use the same defense. You simply reinforce my point that there is more leftist strategy in your attacks on Rags than in anything he has said.

          All your “evidence” shows only that Rags does not like or support Trump, and as with everyone else, that feeling influences how he sees and hears what Trump and his team say and do. You do like Trump, so no matter what Trump or his team says or does, you see it in a positive light. Both visions, of course, are myopic, but that’s the nature of human beings.

          Not liking or supporting Trump does not make one a leftist any more than liking and supporting him makes one a conservative. This kind of simplistic categorization and thinking is not helpful, and I find it odd that you, who often has intelligent things to say, would sink into such silly statements: You don’t like Trump so you must be a commie leftist progressive sitting in a tree with Pelosi and Reid K-I-S-S-I-N-G, na-na-na!!!

          Well, that’s what I “hear” in your comments, and it’s less than inspiring.

          And no, Rags does not ask for my “defensive help,” nor, of course, does he ask for your sophomoric offensive.

          Barry in reply to Barry. | November 22, 2016 at 1:05 am

          Fuzzy, as is typical you read way too much into a simple little comment.

          So, let’s be clear: Do I think Rags is a “lefty”? No.

          Clear enough?

          Now, do I think Rags does the same thing regarding Trump that leftists do to conservatives all the time. Yes, absolutely, all the time, every time, without fail.

          It is your failing, not mine, that you do not see the hypocrisy in watching a video and taking the position a deadly assault took place when damn near nothing occurred. I’ll just go out on a limb here and suggest had that been Cruz’s operative, Raggsy would have been blind to that deadly assault.

          Humor, it’s a good thing.

          Oh, and Rags is a target because he is nasty towards anyone with an opposing opinion and comments frequently enough to earn mileage. Simple as that.

          And you do jump in to defend him often. After all, he is the “better man”.

          Thank you, Barry, my faith in you is restored.

          And yes, I do jump in and defend Rags . . . just as I have jumped in and defended you. I have jumped in and defended quite a few others over the years . . . and would jump in and defend anyone I believed was getting a raw deal. That it’s most often Rags these days says more about the commenters on this site and their bizarre obsession with Rags (who, again, is going nowhere) than it does about me or my defending people I think are being treated unfairly.

          Personally, I don’t care what you or anyone else here believes or whom you all support, so that may be why I find it so incredible that so many here are so laser-focused on what Rags thinks or whom he supports. Apparently, their sole purpose in life to denigrate him at every turn for not supporting Trump or for being less than polite at times or whatever you people obsess about. It’s really unhinged, and I just don’t get why you people think Rags is so incredibly important.

          I agree with Rags sometimes and sometimes I don’t, but my world doesn’t revolve around his every thought and utterance. It’s just weird and off-putting that yours does. And frankly, incomprehensible to me that you are so devoted to and invested in Rags that you seem to require his conversion to your worldview or his ostracism if he fails to meet your demands and conform. Most bizarre.

          Barry in reply to Barry. | November 22, 2016 at 9:48 am

          Dear Fuzzy, a couple comments and I’ll let this rest.

          “Oh, and Rags is a target because he is nasty towards anyone with an opposing opinion and comments frequently enough to earn mileage. Simple as that.”

          From my comment above. Rags paints a big target upon himself by frequent comments of a visceral nature. Recall his months long, every hour “dialog” with Gary and VF for example. While that pair were short a screw or two, it was Rags that kept the dialog ongoing.

          As for being obsessed, no. It’s good sport. And while Mr. Rags will never say anything nice about those he disagrees with, I have said something nice on occasion.

          “Most bizarre.”

          That paragraph of yours is a bit “bizarre”.
          You seem to conflate the worst Trump supporters with all Trump supporters. Every candidate has some “worst” supporters. You have not read anything by me suggesting Trump is perfect or that his failings should be disregarded. I have said, once elected, hold his feet to the fire. Understand, some things are more important the others.

          I will continue to call BS on the obvious examples of it. Rags, and you, have participated in some of the worst, choosing to believe…

          However, in the end, you are willing to see what happens before trashing the man 24 hours a day. The “better man” is not and would quite simply prefer to see him fail. So he can say “I told you so”.

          We shall see. I stand by my prediction, that Trump will be the most effective conservative president since Ike. Yes, that includes Reagan.

      not true.
      unhinged over trump but in no way what you accuse him of.

      userpen in reply to Barry. | November 21, 2016 at 9:38 am

      Rags is ok.

      Merlin in reply to Barry. | November 21, 2016 at 9:42 am

      Wrong, wrong, wrong. You’re showing yourself to be one of the newer kids on the playground.

      Henry Hawkins in reply to Barry. | November 21, 2016 at 2:09 pm

      ‘Barry’. The nickname of the despicable lefty, Barack Obama. And one of our commenters chose it for his screen name.

      By the standards of evidence used by those who call Rags a lefty, this means our Barry must be even *more* of a lefty. He’s a.. a.. a super lefty.

        Ouch. That really hurts Henry. Is that your “screen name”, Henry? Is that similar to Henrietta?

        I choose for my “screen name” my real name given at birth.

        The one in the White House is an imposter.

        And yes, I am “super”.

        🙂

        Is there evidence that Barry Soetoro ever legally changed his name?

The principal purpose of this so-called “protest” movement is the increasing accumulation of power. Rhetoric about equality and fairness and freedom are only rationalizations for the behavior, not the reasons. The reasons are all about gaining power. That’s why it’s a mistake to call it “hypocritical.” Logical or ethical consistency is irrelevant, as long as it concentrates more power and silences dissent.

Leftists have no class.

The Clinton Campaign sowed the wind.

There need to be some prosecutions, or we will reap the whirlwind.

It is not ok to do physical harm to Americans, just because they are interested in voting. Setting up people to be violently attacked to make a political point is vile, and it is unAmerican. It should be prosecuted.

The Project Veritas videos and the DNC leaks and the Podesta leaks all point to a conspiracy to physically harm people for political purposes. This is a crime, against the people who were harmed, and against our democracy.

    amwick in reply to Valerie. | November 21, 2016 at 7:36 am

    Voter fraud is also a crime against democracy. POTUS encouraged illegal aliens to vote with impunity. This needs to stop.

    Grandpa in reply to Valerie. | November 21, 2016 at 10:55 pm

    I want justice to be served, like most everyone else here. But mostly I want the truth to be shown and see a trial in “the court of public opinion”. Afterwards, it is up to our Creator to set the time.

Looks like the alt-left is getting more interesting. Time to yell food fight!

But on Twitter Saturday, Van Zandt — who says he could not “disagree more with everything Pence represents” — called the actors’ actions “completely inappropriate.”

Might I suggest that you do as I have done and most of my family has done – DEACTIVATE YOUR FACEBOOK ACCOUNT! (That doesn’t erase it or close it down permanently).

I, for one – and I have a high tolerance for discussion – simply cannot take the lunacy anymore.

There are three types of people involved in the anti-Trump protest movement. They are those who lack critical thought and are simply scared of the unknown or the picture painted by others. Then you have those who are involved in breaking up America to increase their own personal power. This is really two groups. Those who are looking to simply increase their own power within American society and those who are looking to increase their position with a outside power group by destroying the US, as a nation.

This has been underway for a century but really swung into high gear after WWII. This is where the adversarial civil rights movement began. Ignoring the significant strides made in the early 1960s with the elimination of institutional discrimination, the civil rights movement actively worked to elevate minorities, not simply to the same level as the majority, but to a level of privilege above the majority. The we had the feminization of the American male. Not satisfied with obtaining legal equality for females, this movement actively attacked masculinity and attempted to turn men into women. This was nothing more than a way to weaken this country by disenfranchising males from society. Then we were treated to the next phase of the plan to deconstruct this country, unassimilated immigration. In the past, people from a myriad of different cultures immigrated to America. Once here, they worked diligently to adopt the existing culture and fit in, while at the same time maintaining their own cultural identity. Ethnic foods, celebratory customs, and religious customs were all maintained by the immigrants and absorbed and enjoyed by the rest of Americans. This is the only country in the world where one can find houses of worship for every major religious organization, and many sects of those religions in the same town or city. And, they were operating freely. These immigrants understood that freedom of religion meant just that, no religion could force its doctrines upon any other. But that has changed as well. Now factions encourage their members to refuse to use the dominant language of this country. They encourage their members to ignore the mores of the dominant culture in this country in favor of their own minority culture. The same with religious doctrines and practices. And, no one outside these minority groups is allowed to enjoy or use any minority cultural practices. Now we face Balkinization of America.

And this is what these people want. This fragmenting of America will lead to its downfall. And, make no mistake, this is what this is all about. Another four years would have seen this country hopelessly fragmented along racial, cultural, religious and economic lines. And the US government was actively supporting this fragmentation. But, then there was Trump. Not the man, but the movement. All that the members of that movement ask is for the citizens of this country to be Americans. To hold to the values common to American culture for two centuries. To value common courtesy and attempt to understand one another. To have compassion for our fellow Americans and work for our common benefit. And most importantly, to remind the rest of the world that we are an independent community of like-minded people who will actively resist ANY attack upon our people, nation or culture.

The alternative is that the majority culture will eventually be forced to use force to protect itself from destruction. This will lead to the decimation of the minority groups in this country as well as the destruction of the country itself, which is exactly what some factions want. The only way to stop this is to join the majority. Everyone is welcome to join and no one has to change their religion, their diet, their songs, their mode of dress [except for the nudists, sorry] the language that they speak in their homes or the music that they listen to. Just do not attempt to force the rest of America to give up these same benefits.

Cool. We have a black guy that can read words someone else wrote. Tell me that’s not progress.

Oxymoron:

Noun

1. a figure of speech in which apparently contradictory terms appear in conjunction

Example:

“If my Facebook feed is any indication, and I think it is, many otherwise rational people on the left have lost it or are about to lose it.”

    Actually, there are rational people on the left. We used to call them “blue dogs” until the radical progressive left purged them from the party. We also used to call them Reagan Democrats . . . and now call them Trump voters from the rust belt.

    There are also rational people of the left in public life who occasionally get stuff right (I’m thinking here of Kirsten Powers and Joe Manchin, but there are others, including Evan Bayh and a few others who were pushed out by the triumvirate of Obama/Reid/Pelosi and their post-2008 progressive fun fest).

    It’s not an oxymoron, but it is indicative of an ever-shrinking number on the left. Happily, a lot of disgruntled, disgusted, and rational Democrats are jumping ship. That’s a good thing.

      Remember Sam Nunn? He was a moderate Democratic Senator from Georgia who had served in the Senate for 25 years and was Chairman of the Armed Services committee for 8. He was highly respected by everyone, especially for his work on nuclear non-proliferation, which he continues to do.

      In 1997 Nunn was retiring and was a potential pick for Secretary of State under Bill Clinton. It would have been the easiest confirmation ever and he was one of the most qualified candidates on the Democratic side. But he didn’t get it – Sen Barney Frank didn’t like some of Nunn’s earlier votes on gay rights and views on gays in the military and told Clinton that hiring him would be a betrayal of the party’s friends and allies.

      So instead Clinton looked for the best qualified woman candidate and found a female protege of Brzezinski (Jimmy Carter’s NSA advisor and Mika’s father), named Madeline Albright. And Barney Frank, a guy who is best known for buying an apartment and fixing parking tickets for his male prostitute, still brags about his role in denying the position to Nunn (see his interview last year) since he sees it as a victory for his team, regardless of what it may have cost the party and the country.

        CloseTheFed in reply to tyates. | November 21, 2016 at 8:00 am

        The dysfunctional-sex types can lose all perspective. Frank is all about his d***. I have to wonder who did what to him when he was a kid.

      “Actually, there are rational people on the left.”

      I suspect I’m a bit older than you and I remember, dimly, rational people on the left.

      Those were people who did not believe in socialism, but thought some social construct was useful.

      Those people are gone. Retired, passed away, changed sides. Gone.

Back when I was a young, silly college girl, I minored in Women’s Studies. I am somewhat embarrassed to admit it, but there it is. Anyway, this was back when America’s feminists cared about female genital mutilation, the sex slave trade, honor killings, and other things that today’s feminists take in stride as “cultural differences” (strange, since feminism started out as a movement to change culture to accommodate women by letting us own property, vote, etc.).

Anyway again, the rallying cry of those feminists (second wave, ’80’s feminism for anyone who follows such things) was “The Personal Is Political.” Their point, one which even as a college sophomore I questioned in class, was that everything everyone does is always political. Not only is the entire culture (tv, radio, art, music, etc.) shaping political views, but these things are themselves political acts.

This is why we saw a marked change in Hollywood and television themes, why we saw the slow percolation of ideas like toys shouldn’t be sold in stores in “girls” and “boys” sections, and why we saw feminists attacking celebrities, disrupting non-political events, and generally being obnoxious and disgusting at every available turn.

The left, in short, has always believed that the personal is political. This latest trend of disruption itself is not new. What is new is the largeness of it, the acceptance and celebration of it, the way it intrudes on every aspect of our lives. We can’t ignore it when it’s marching on our streets, preaching from a stage (Hamilton or Kayne), and in our malls and restaurants.

This isn’t new. It isn’t going away. And yes, it will get worse. That’s why pushing back against it is absolutely vital. Ignore the criticism and push back every single day; the left does best when it is the underdog. They are radicals who are effective at organizing, useless at leading or affecting any positive change. They are, in other words, in their finest hour and looking forward to the next four to eight years of doing exactly what they know how to do better than anyone on this planet.

I think I’ll be rereading Andrew Breitbart’s Righteous Indignation. He nailed it, and his advice to be involved, to push back, to not cede one more inch of ground holds more true today and in the coming years than it did even when he wrote it. We cannot do what we always do when our side is winning (sit back on our couches and ignore or gripe to our televisions about the radical left’s radical lunacy); we have to push back. Have. To.

    snopercod in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | November 21, 2016 at 7:53 am

    You were young and silly once, too? LOL! Well don’t feel bad, it took me over twenty years to learn all the stuff they never taught me in college. I had to go back to basic principles so I could understand concepts like “politics”, and that took me a while. Now I know that politics is simply the way that people deal with each other in a social setting. In fundamental terms, do you treat others as you would like to be treated, or do you choose to use force against them? The answer to that question depends on one’s concept of the nature of reality (metaphysics), one’s definition of “the good” (ethics), and whether one believes that they are competent to deal with life. So one’s politics is at the end of Obviously, many on the left has chosen to use force rather than persuasion to achieve their goals. So yes, “everything is political” in the sense that

      snopercod in reply to snopercod. | November 21, 2016 at 8:09 am

      Sorry, my little finger hit the CNTL key and accidentally posted the above while I was still editing. Here’s the “finished” product:

      You were young and silly once, too? LOL! Well don’t feel bad, it took me over twenty years to learn all the stuff they never taught me in college. I had to go back to basic principles before I could get my mind around concepts like “politics”, and that took me a while. Now I understand that politics is simply the way that people deal with each other in a social setting. In fundamental terms, is it “good” to treat others as you would like to be treated, or do you choose to use force against them? The answer to that question depends on one’s concept of the nature of reality (metaphysics), one’s definition of “the good” (ethics), and whether one believes that they are competent to deal with life. So yes, “everything is political” in the sense that one’s politics depends upon a long chain of other choices one has made – usually unconsciously. The left has chosen to use force against those with whom they disagree, but their bad politics is the result of bad ethics which, in turn, is the result of bad metaphysics. Simply put, they’re messed up in the head.

It’s boorish to deliver a lecture to a captive audience who just want to see a play. Singing a song someone else wrote, dancing steps that someone else choreographed and repeating lines someone else wrote doesn’t make you an expert in anything other than your own limited part of the production.

    Sanddog: Singing a song someone else wrote, dancing steps that someone else choreographed and repeating lines someone else wrote doesn’t make you an expert in anything other than your own limited part of the production.

    Lin-Manuel Miranda, the author of the most influential Broadway musical in a generation, was co-writer of the message to Pence, along with its director, Thomas Kail, and the lead producer, Jeffrey Seller, with input from cast members.

He smells like a Moby, walks like a Moby, quacks like a Moby.

So while I can appreciate your desire to defend him from what appears (to you) to be unfair bullying, I think its a stretch to criticize others who suspect he is not acting in good faith.

Consider: the day after the election, there were two types of Trump haters posting here

1) people who gave a mea culpa and wished him (and us) the best, as I believe you did, and

2) people like Clinton supporters who were AWOL for a few days, likely nursing their wounds and avoiding victory celebrations

Where was Rags? He was in Group 2.

    Ragspierre in reply to Fen. | November 21, 2016 at 7:37 am

    Thus you erect your typical straw man (which is perforce a lie) and then you make him me.

    I was here. I was posting. And you’re a stinking, lying sack of filth.

A Trump supporter stood up during the show and shouted “WE WON!”. He interrupted the play and was escorted out. The cast was mortified.

Good. This is why we have social rules about decorum and civility. What did they think would happen? The Left wants to hijack our entertainment to preach at us, fine, we can return the favor.

I hope it happens every night of the show. If I had money, I would fund the protesters myself – pay their air fare, 5 star hotel, tickets to the show and a good dinner afterwards.

Because the Left won’t stop hijacking the non-political life until its dealt back at them in spades.

    amwick in reply to Fen. | November 21, 2016 at 7:29 am

    I have to admit that I thought about a flash coughing mob at the show… I mean everyone has coughing fits, you can’t be blamed for that…Then again I would rather spend the ticket money on new something useful.

    Ragspierre in reply to Fen. | November 21, 2016 at 7:46 am

    Hen: If I had money, I would fund the protesters myself – pay their air fare, 5 star hotel, tickets to the show and a good dinner afterwards.

    Sure you would. Because you’re no different than they are at root.

    Being a Conservative is not just holding some vague notions about policy.

    It’s a way of living and thinking, and you’re the enemy of those values.

    You love and make lies. You do it every day, and you’re proud to do it.

      CloseTheFed in reply to Ragspierre. | November 21, 2016 at 8:05 am

      I reject rags analysis: If an armed robber pulls a gun on you, then you pull one on him, you’re not “just like him.”

      Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | November 21, 2016 at 8:07 am

      This is another inapposite, fallacious comparison.

      If someone like Hen lies about me, I am never justified in lying about him.

        MarkSmith in reply to Ragspierre. | November 21, 2016 at 12:14 pm

        Rags:

        This is another inapposite, fallacious comparison.

        If someone like Hen lies about me, I am never justified in lying about him.

        I disagree, Justice is fair play. Rule utilitarianism makes sense to me. Example: Killer ask you where the person to be killed lives, you can lie because it is for the greater good. I think Locke and Humes supported that.

        Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | November 21, 2016 at 12:52 pm

        Yes. I already knew that about you. You will lie any time it suits you.

        And Locke and Hume would spit on you.

          MarkSmith in reply to Ragspierre. | November 21, 2016 at 4:09 pm

          Yipee, I have been called a liar by Jacobin Bonehead Rags again. Thank it is a badge of courage to be judge so highly.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | November 21, 2016 at 4:24 pm

          You confessed it. Don’t blame me for your lack of integrity.

          Or your lack of intelligence. “Jacobin” means exactly shit in today’s reality, and you keep throwing it around like a three-year-old with its first cuss word.

      As I said, you’re the lefts wet dream.

      When they’re shoveling dirt over your dead cold corpse you will say “I played fair”.

      If you are playing “fair” in a fight, you’re losing.

        Ragspierre in reply to Barry. | November 22, 2016 at 4:11 pm

        No, you poor stupid lying POS.

        I will be able to say with my last breath and as my legacy to my children, “I lived by a code of integrity, and I’ve taught you that. Now make me proud…”

        A shame about you and your raising…

William A. Jacobson: There is no place to hide from the political life anymore, not even in a theater watching a musical.

Not only are people saying Pence needs a safe place, but the safe place should be at a Broadway musical about a politically involved immigrant, played by a highly diverse cast that feels uneasy after a campaign noted for driving a wedge into the racial, ethnic and cultural fault lines of American society.

The message of the Hamilton cast was courteous and hopeful, consistent with the nature of the musical.

There’s nothing here to boo, ladies and gentlemen. We’re all here sharing stories of love.

We have a message for you, sir. We hope that you will hear us out.

Vice President-elect Pence, we welcome you, and we truly thank you for joining us here at “Hamilton American Musical,” we really do.

We, sir, we are the diverse America, who are alarmed and anxious that your new administration will not protect us, our planet, our children, our parents or defend us and uphold our inalienable rights.

But we truly hope that this show has inspired you to uphold our American values and to work on behalf of all of us. All of us.

Again, we truly thank you for seeing this wonderful American story told by a diverse group of men, women, of different colors, creeds and orientations.

As for those who chose to attend the show, keep in mind that the show was not interrupted for the message, but it was appended to the end. The show is by its very nature political on many levels, not just a history, but a history refracted through modern sensibilities. The author consciously cast minorities in the roles of the Founders in order to universalize the story. Today, few would recognize Hamilton as an immigrant striving to succeed in a new society except that he is played by a gay Hispanic.

If anything, the appended message made the event far more memorable for the people attending.

    MarkSmith in reply to Zachriel. | November 21, 2016 at 12:38 pm

    ,i>”If anything, the appended message made the event far more memorable for the people attending.”

    Nice try, but it did not work. You don’t go to a show to be lectured to. As for the gay Hispanic actor, why to you tell us this. Does it give the cast more clout to be rude?
    The whole experience of the show is more than the performance. The lecture was rude to more than just Pence but others that were there.

    I recommend that you to see Fast Times at Ridgemont High. There is a great pizza scene between Spicoli and Mr. Hand.

    Time and place is everything. Hamilton Cast fumbled here.

      MarkSmith: You don’t go to a show to be lectured to.

      You’ve apparently never been to a Broadway show. It’s live, so you should expect the unexpected. You do realize it’s a musical about political themes, right? And how they are refracted in modern society?

      MarkSmith: As for the gay Hispanic actor, why to you tell us this.

      Because the wide diversity of the actors is a fundamental component of the production.

        MarkSmith in reply to Zachriel. | November 21, 2016 at 4:02 pm

        Zachriel Said:

        You’ve apparently never been to a Broadway show. It’s live, so you should expect the unexpected. You do realize it’s a musical about political themes, right? And how they are refracted in modern society?

        I have been working in theater probably long than you been alive. I probably saw more Broadway shows in a year than you saw in a life time. You probably have no clue who Hamilton really was. It is entertainment! Not history, just like 90% of the so call true story movies. There is a reason it is called a “show.”

        Zachriel Said:
        Because the wide diversity of the actors is a fundamental component of the production.

        So what! If you live in a somewhat urban area you deal with diversity everyday. If you work in theater, even more so. What is new here? My better half is Hispanic and I am 2 generation. I got the Bastard piece covered too.

        If I want to pay someone to be rude to people, I will go to Ed Debevic’s in Chicago or let Rags take a shot at me.

        Get a grip. It is a show and their political discussion was not appropriate. Send a letter. Make a statement to the newspaper. Put it on their web-page. I would have been uncomfortable if I was at the show and they did something like that to Hillary, too. It is classless, spoil brat immature. The proper thing to do would have been to honor and respect him. I would have expected the same for Hillary if she won.

        Sorry the “art” justification does not cut it here. Even the libs are now saying they should not have done it.

        MSMBC: “Mojo Panel Criticizes ‘Hamilton’ Cast, Audience for Pence Treatment: I Thought ‘Flyover Space’ Was ‘Close-Minded’”

          MarkSmith: I have been working in theater probably long than you been alive.

          Then you should be aware that theater people, especially on Broadway, are rarely shy about speaking out, and that they are often very “diverse” in their orientations.

          MarkSmith: You probably have no clue who Hamilton really was.

          While the show obviously took liberties with history (Aaron Burr wasn’t really black, duh), the text is based on Ron Chernow’s “Alexander Hamilton”. Chernow also acted as historical consultant to the production.

          Zachriel: Because the wide diversity of the actors is a fundamental component of the production.

          MarkSmith: So what!

          Um, because the casting in an integral part of the message of the play.

          MarkSmith: If I want to pay someone to be rude to people

          Considering statements made by Trump during the campaign, and by Pence as governor of Indiana, there is reason for people to be anxious. But they weren’t rude. They were inclusive and hopeful.

          we truly thank you for seeing this wonderful American story told by a diverse group of men, women, of different colors, creeds and orientations.

        ZachL “Because the wide diversity of the actors is a fundamental component of the production.”

        Yes, I especially enjoyed the “whites need not apply” casting call.

        http://www.inquisitr.com/2946009/hamilton-no-whites-need-apply-casting-call-deemed-racist/

        Diversity. LOL. Smells like the usual racism of the Left from here.

          Fen: Yes, I especially enjoyed the “whites need not apply” casting call.

          That’s funny. Generations of whitewashing in the theater, and you ridicule the one of the few Broadway shows that casts minorities even though the casting is fundamental to the message.

          By the way, there are white parts in “Hamilton”.

BillyHW: Leftists have no class.

He says about Manuel Lin Miranda, someone who wrote the most influential Broadway musical in a generation, a show that incorporates the themes of the American Revolution, an event that has spurred an entire new generation of young people to seek inspiration in history and in the values of America’s founding.

No. No class at all.

    MarkSmith in reply to Zachriel. | November 21, 2016 at 4:04 pm

    They won’t tell the real story of Hamilton. The liberal history tellers always fall back on their Virginia clan, Jefferson, Madison and Monroe with a little sprinkle of Adams after he was a sellout to the Federalist.

Insufficiently Sensitive | November 21, 2016 at 10:21 am

If my Facebook feed is any indication, and I think it is, many otherwise rational people on the left have lost it or are about to lose it.

Mine too. My FB folks are mostly the ‘arts community’, and they’re eagerly pumping up the same ‘righteous’ indignation that leads to lynch mobs.

Democratic elections no longer guarantee a peaceful transfer of power right here in the USA. All a civil war requires is a demagogic Great Leader to command the faithful. Who is in the wings rehearsing the role of Jefferson Davis?

“The alt-left if organizing furiously for ‘direct action’,” ….
> Should they actually do so, they best be sure their wills & life insurances are current, then advise their beneficiaries to have a large stake in companies which produce body bags, coffins, funeral homes & hearses, for those will experience an explosive sales growth.

thalesofmiletus | November 21, 2016 at 11:37 am

Times HRC went to see “Hamilton”: 3
Times HRC campaigned in WI: 0

🙂

In other news…that nobody here is reporting…Der Donald is settling that TOTS bogus fraud lawsuit against T-rump Fraudaversity for 25 million dollars.

“So much winning…”

The theater is responsible only to deliver a product and not put their patron on the spot. Deliver your product then shut up. Your views were never solicited.You were completely out of line.

    sonofdot: Deliver your product then shut up. Your views were never solicited.

    “Hamilton” is a story about a politician, about an immigrant, about the birth of America, and about seeing the period through modern eyes. Viewpoint is integral to the story.

someone who wrote the most influential Broadway musical in a generation

Most influential Broadway musical? That’s like saying “best sandlot quarterback in Philadelphia.” It means nothing.

You people in the Arts take yourselves WAY too seriously. Dime a dozen. We could replace the top 10 actors tomorrow without even noticing their absence.

And that’s not even getting into the poor state of American “art”. So much of it is crap. Remember the Poet Laureate at Obama’s inauguration? If she’s at the pinnacle of her field, the artsy people need to suffer more.

Artists are a diversion from reality. An escape. Dance for us baby. And do that wicked thing with your hips you are known for. All the guys love it.

    Fen: Most influential Broadway musical? That’s like saying “best sandlot quarterback in Philadelphia.” It means nothing.

    Millions of children have become interested in history and in the ideals of the American Revolution because of “Hamilton”. Perhaps that’s “nothing” to you, but the influence of theater on the culture is indisputable.

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