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Panicked progressives tie #Brexit to #ClimateChange

Panicked progressives tie #Brexit to #ClimateChange

The chill winds of political climate change hit the E.U.

I must admit, few arguments related to the “settled science” of climate change astonish me anymore.

But until today I failed to fully appreciate the extent of eco-activist creativity! Panicked progressives are now asserting the Britain’s vote to leave the European Union will cause adverse effects on the environment.

Yes….#Brexit will cause Climate Change.

Despite being an issue that knows no borders, affects all and is of vital interest to future generations, the environment was low on the agenda ahead of the UK’s historic vote to leave the European Union.

The short answer to what happens next with pollution, wildlife, farming, green energy, climate change and more is we don’t know – we are in uncharted territory. But all the indications – from the “red-tape” slashing desires of the Brexiters to the judgment of environmental professionals – are that the protections for our environment will get weaker.

There is one immediate impact though, right here, right now: the crashing financial markets will damage the huge investments needed to create a cleaner and safer environment and will dent the nation’s fast-growing green economy, one economic sector where the UK could lead.

I know what you’re thinking:

Polar Bear Facepalm

And while the left derides Donald Trump for noting during a press conference in Scotland that a falling British currency would be beneficial to his local businesses, eco-activists don’t hesitate to predict that an economic slowdown will mean less carbon dioxide emissions.

But hey, at least there’s one rather paradoxical (and, frankly, sad) potential upside for international climate policy. As Ed King of Climate Home noted, as an expected British economic downturn caused by the Brexit kicks in, “the resulting economic slump could lead to a fall in greenhouse gas emissions.” Roaring economies generally produce considerably more greenhouse gases than slowing ones.

So even as Britain’s departure throws international climate policy into turmoil, it might slightly lessen global emissions.

And I can probably guess your reaction to this, too:

Interestingly, it was the Labour Party members in the heartland of Great Britain that embraced #Brexit warmly.

Labour is facing an extraordinary meltdown in its traditional heartlands as working-class areas voted ‘Leave’ in their droves.

Despite the party leadership and almost every Labour MP campaigning for Remain, traditional Labour areas ignored their pleas and voted to pull Britain out of the EU.

The results have piled huge pressure on Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, with many MPs blaming him for a lacklustre campaign and for failing to connect with working class voters.

A few key points to keep in mind about the British election environment, in terms of this particular discussion. The British press has been more forthcoming in publishing counter-arguments to global warming theories. Only a very small percent of Brits are “very concerned” about climate change.

And, as Professor Jacobson pointed out in his analysis, “Leave” voters focused on immigration, sovereignty, loss of control to the EU bureaucracy.

The combination has led to a tectonic political shift in Europe.

What are the ramifications of Brexit for the upcoming U.S. election? Recall that Hillary Clinton was nailed for her statements regarding the coal industry, and the voter’s in our nation’s heartland do not seem inclined to embrace the “globalism” either. Furthermore, Clinton is tied to Obama’s ham-handed hectoring prior to the Brexit vote, which one British politico attributes as a key factor in the election result.

Finally, Donald Trump was perfectly positioned to connect himself to the Brexit win by being in the British Isles, and tying British voter sentiments to the heart of his presidential campaign. Meanwhile, Clinton merely offered a tepid response about respecting the choice the Brits made.

The chill winds of political climate change of hit the E.U.hard. I anticipate those winds will strike here as well this November.

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casualobserver | June 25, 2016 at 10:44 am

The full array of progressive memes are being trotted out now.
It’s racist.
It’s xenophobic.
It will lead to greater climate change.
Yadda yadda yadda

C. O.
I’ll add a wwWHYYynnne to follow your yawn.

“Finally, Donald Trump was perfectly positioned for to connect himself to the Brexit win by being in the British Isles, and tying British voter sentiments to the heart of his presidential campaign.”

Jeebus, Leslie, when you go fan-gurl you go all in!

I don’t know what Der Donald’s trip to Scotland to conduct business and promote his golf course has to do with climate change.

He was…by pure serendipity…in SCOTLAND, which…

“On Thursday Britain as a whole voted to leave the EU, but Scotland voted by 62 to 38 percent to remain. The SNP argues that many Scots opted to remain part of the United Kingdom in 2014 because they believed that was the only way to guarantee EU membership.”

The Brits voted to remain a more-or-less sovereign nation, which I think is grand, and others will follow suit. There’s a lot to be said for maintaining national identities, as I’ve said here many times.

How that relates to the U.S. is a stretch, unless you are one of the nutters who have had their hair on fire over the idea of a “united Canada, America, and Mexico”. Nobody rational ever figured we were not now and into the future a sovereign nation.

But, hey, T-rumpers gotta T-rump…no matter how strained.

    Rags: If one of my pro-Trump comments ever goes unnoticed by you, I would be terribly disappointed.

    I am grateful that one of the presidential contenders was on the right side of history, a pleasant change from what we Americans have experienced for the past 7.5 years from the Obama administration.

    Trump’s remarks were pitch perfect, and show he is ahead of history…which is a hallmark of a real leader.

    There is still plenty of room on the Trump train, and plenty of time to board it. As of today, there are 135 days until the election.

    I have a shot of Lagavulin ready to go for you in the bar car.

      Ragspierre in reply to Leslie Eastman. | June 25, 2016 at 12:01 pm

      All you’re serving is Kool-aid, Leslie.

      You’ll get no argument from me about Obama being wrong on just about anything, but I also bear in mind that people have given…and still do give…him credit for “being on the right side of history”.

      People are delusional, often. As here.

      jhkrischel in reply to Leslie Eastman. | June 25, 2016 at 12:14 pm

      Trump is an ostentatious blowhard, who presents a caricature of the big-bad-ugly-American, and yet has an eerie amount of success.

      If for no other reason than to hear the first state of the union address with an f-bomb, I’m voting for him 🙂

      Like #brexit, it’s more about blowing up the system of political elites we have in place than any sort of personal attachment to the candidate, but it’s real, it’s happening, and I wouldn’t have believed it 🙂

    casualobserver in reply to Ragspierre. | June 25, 2016 at 11:50 am

    What about Leslie’s statement suggests intention and not serendipity?

      Ragspierre in reply to casualobserver. | June 25, 2016 at 11:56 am

      “Finally, Donald Trump was perfectly positioned for to [sic] connect himself to the Brexit win…”

      That one…along with the enormous stretch.

      Plus the nonsensical inclusion of anything T-rump in her story.

        casualobserver in reply to Ragspierre. | June 25, 2016 at 12:03 pm

        I guess I read that and think “luck” not “by design”.

          Ragspierre in reply to casualobserver. | June 25, 2016 at 12:12 pm

          I read it…especially as it relates to SCOTLAND…as Leslie imparting to Der Donald shit he does not have. (See above.)

          Which is a trait of T-rump cultists.

        Rags: ROFL!!!!

        Nonsensical? Really? Many pundits are connecting what happened with Brexit to what may happen here. One of many examples:

        Talk about bitterly clinging to Trump-hate! Vote for him, or don’t. No skin off my nose either way.

        However, there are also many good people who love this country and are as every bit as patriotic, intelligent, and motivated by doing what is right as you. They WILL be voting for him this November. I number many among them as my friends.

        Your vitriolic terms do nothing to persuade, and insult many of our other Legal Insurrection readers needlessly.

        One last note, tied to Brexit. The “Remain” supporters used insults, smears, and intimidation to bully the people into voting the “right” way. The result were false polls, shocked reporters, and a lot of bitterness.

        My motto for this entire campaign is: #NeverHillary yesterday, #NeverHillary today, #NeverHillary tomorrow. #NeverHillary forever!

        I made a promise I would support the Republican nominee to the fullest extent I could. So, for 135 more days I will be “all in” for Trump, unless the Republicans select another nominee.

        Good luck with that, though.

          Of course pundits are connecting Brexit to the US election, that’s what pundits do. superficially, Trump is a protectionist and Brexit is a rebellion against a multinational behemoth.

          Hi Leslie, while I can certainly understand your distaste for perceived vitriol and bullying from #NeverTrump people, I do want to point out that a great many people here do the same thing with regards to pushing Trump, and sadly, that seems to include you in this particular, disappointing comment. Trump fans on this site (and around the internet, to be fair) call #NeverTrump people like myself everything from Hillary shills (me! Imagine!) to . . . well, let’s just say some very nasty and inappropriate names and needless personal insults and quite the litany of smears–and it does nothing to persuade me, either.

          In fact, it just makes me think that Trump supporters don’t have anything else to say, anything positive about Trump anyway, if all they can do is attack and belittle people who don’t walk in lockstep with them. In other words, it works both ways, and I can’t imagine that Rags will suddenly see the big orange Trump light because you snipe at him as a “bitterly clinging” Trump hater and chastise him for . .. well, doing pretty much what you do in this comment.

          I don’t think the conversation is helped by either side failing to recognize the plank in our own eye. I’ve yet to hear one Trump supporter say anything remotely polite to any person who has stated their position as #NeverTrump, and there are plenty of us . . . and we are also patriotic, intelligent, and motivated by our own moral and ethical compass.

          You state that you made a promise to support the Republican nominee, and that is admirable. But a lot of people also made promises and vowed, long ago, to never support Trump. In my own case, that was back in 2011 when he was first dallying with making America great again but decided it could wait another four years. I respect your viewpoint and your support for Trump . . . if “#NeverHillary yesterday, #NeverHillary today, #NeverHillary tomorrow. #NeverHillary forever!” can actually be read as “support” for Trump, but that works both ways.

          Frankly, there is so little regard and so much disdain on both sides for the “other” side that I’m not sure civil conversation or debate is even possible at this point. I’ll just be glad when this election is over . . . . It is awful to see our side at each others’ throats like this.

          Fuzzy: I understand that many of my friends are #NeverTrump. I will spend the next 135 days attempting to persuade them to change their minds!

          No matter how they decide, good friends will remain just that after the election.

          Rags: “Collectivist”. Really? I am dying of laughter here, because I just can’t catch my breath.

          Thank you for the best laugh I have had this week.

          Ragspierre in reply to Leslie Eastman. | June 25, 2016 at 1:21 pm

          Still no response to my points, Leslie.

          And, YES!!!, you use the tactics of the Collective, and I’ll call you on it.

          Every FLUCKING time.

          stevewhitemd in reply to Leslie Eastman. | June 25, 2016 at 6:36 pm


          When you provide points in a response to which Leslie, or anyone, should respond, I’m sure they will. In the meantime you simply appear petulant. That’s not a good look.

        Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | June 25, 2016 at 12:27 pm

        This is you ignoring my point about nonsensically weaving in some tongue-bathing for T-rump into a story about climate change, Leslie.

        Which I note you do not address in any of your attacks on me, along with my other points.

          Rags: My attacks on you! LOL! That is comedy gold, again.

          I think I have made my points. Please be mindful that many, many of our other Legal Insurrection readers are every bit as learned, articulate, and informed as you, and may feel differently about the upcoming election.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | June 25, 2016 at 12:42 pm

          I note, again, your lack of any defense to the points I’ve raised in lieu of an attack on me personally.

          I think that’s telling.

          Gee, Rags, I didn’t know offering you fine scotch and saying you were “patriotic, intelligent, and motivated by doing what is right” were attacks.

          If I hurt your feelings by doing so, I am sincerely sorry. 😀

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | June 25, 2016 at 12:57 pm

          I note, again, your lack of any defense to the points I’ve raised in lieu of an attack on me personally.

          I think that’s telling.

          Plus, your Collectivist “Gee, if I hurt your feelings…” non-apology is also noted.

          Just step up and deal with the points I raised. Or don’t.

    Well, he *was* perfectly positioned, and he blew it. Hillary made a commercial out of his trip to Scotland.

I really, really try not to call other people’s opinions “stupid” but not matter how hard I try …

I guess “stupid” knows no limits.

#Brexit, independence and self-determination are great, but what comes next is crucial for Britain and the U.S.

The perfectly positioned to fail as a liberty loving Republic: people here are choosing either Trump or Hillary as their trophy “win.” To do so both camps must forsake first principles.

And, if values mean nothing then so does winning.

    casualobserver in reply to jennifer a johnson. | June 25, 2016 at 12:51 pm

    Since, say, the election of 1992 when have voters NOT forsaken first principles? Just curious why you isolate it now.

      I “isolate” all along. It’s called discernment.

      When a Godless man or woman seek to be enthroned and I have a voice and a vote to say “No”. I will use it.

      Everything is not politics.
      Politics is not everything.

      Pretending that you’re hands are tied and have no choice in a matter is victim thinking.

    TX-rifraph in reply to jennifer a johnson. | June 25, 2016 at 1:13 pm

    I think the mission is save the country. I will vote against Hillary. In the general election, I always vote against the greater of the two evils. I never vote for somebody at that point as that is exercised during the primaries.

    A cop does not choose the circumstances of the calls he responds to but he must take some action (sometimes “bending” the law) to do what is right based on first principles, making sure everybody is at least safe from further harm. This is not done to fell better on the inside but it is done to actually help make a bad situation better than it was. Better does not mean “right” but a cop does not get to choose the circumstances of a call. Sometimes this is difficult to do.

    In this election, I will not vote for Trump because he is going to save us. He might but that is not my concern. I will vote against Hillary as she is the most corrupt and incompetent candidate I have seem in my long lifetime. She is evil. I will vote for whomever can beat her as it is my clear moral duty to the people who have shed their blood before me and my grandchildren.

    This election is not an abstract discussion of ethics or principles or philosophies. It is a street fight where only one side is standing when it is over. I have been attacked on the street while alone as a cop. I knew the legal limits of my options to respond. But, I always knew that I must be the one standing at the end. Sorry, but some first principles are more equal than others (apologies to Orwell) and some trump (small “t”) others. If Trump can beat Hillary, I vote for Trump. Hillary must not be the one standing at the end. The choice is Hillary or the country.

    Please do not misunderstand me. First principles are foundational. But there is a time for every purpose under heaven (Ecclesiastes). Sorry for the ramble…

The elites will blame the benighted serfs, the campaign, blogs, etc. because they will never blame their totalitarian policies.

Well, the serfs are smarter than they are supposed to be and are taking their country back. Climate Change (or whatever it is today), EU, UN, etc all have a common core of totalitarianism with the elite living like royalty. Hillary plans on being next ruler unless we stop her. Brexit gives me hope.

The chill winds of political climate change of hit the E.U.hard. I anticipate those winds will strike here as well this November.

I certainly hope so.

Leslie, I applaud your gracious refusal to join Ragspierre in the mudpit.

    Ragspierre in reply to mariner. | June 25, 2016 at 1:14 pm

    You mean her use of personal attacks against me in lieu of answering for her post?

    I raised several perfectly valid points. I got nothing in response except fluff and ad hominem.

    She went into the mud pit, she’s still there.

When I read the head line
“Panicked progressives tie #Brexit to #ClimateChange”
I thought “Wow, they are saying global warming caused Brxit to pass! Is there anything global warming can’t cause? Almost as good as beacon, or coffee, or chocolate, or dark red wine.”

Then, I realized the headline meant the passage of Brexit, (good for them, rock on, upwards and on wards), meant there would be MORE global warming. My next thought was “Wow, this global warming is insidious. Is there anything which won’t cause global warming?” (irony coming) Well, besides those moderate Mohammedans beheading bigoted, hateful, homophobic Christians and Jews, now that doesn’t cause global warming.(irony delivered) Everything else does.

Full disclosure: I have finally come to grips that my chances of ever doing anything that would result in my be recognized with an O.B.E. (Order of the British Empire), or having my reminds interred in Westminster Abbey (being Catholic, wouldn’t want that anymore, but once did) are smaller than Never. Once in college, a parting girl friend added, that in addition to all my other faults, I was too much a fan of Tennyson and Kipling, my fondness of the British was too obvious. Let us hope many of the good possibilities of Brexit come to pass.

Right on, Leslie, as always.

Antiquarians no doubt found this performance familiar; the Magic Word Trump is heard, the stuffed duck with the $100 bill drops from the ceiling, and the usual suspects lower intellectual property values at LI another notch. Well done, stout yeomen!

I don’t usually find it productive to call other people idiots—especially if they are—so I don’t usually do it. Nevertheless …

… you’re idiots.

And now, back to your regularly scheduled programming.

Fuzzy ;
I apologize to you for my comment of several months ago about an imaginary toilet paper incident. I was taught to be polite & mannered to ladies of which you are one.
I’ve apologized to Buckeyeminiuteman for a ham-handed slight I made to him as a military man of honor.
When I realize I’ve been wrong I’ll admit it. Others on this sight have also admitted when they’ve been wrong, including Leslie.
I was wrong in 2014 when I voted for the full republican ticket. Especially given I knew it was wrong & did it anyhow, in part to maintain a fading allegiance to “principled conservatism.” That vote made me complicit in the betrayal by the republican party since the 2014 election.
Breitbart today lists the 7 top incidents of statist violence against Trump supporters. That violence is not limited to those 7 example’s. I’ve said it before & I repeat it here. # Never T-rumpers have largely downplayed that violence.
T-rump supporters are braving angry & organized statist goon tactics. They’re literally bleeding in the streets. T-rump supporters have virtually the whole of the Internationalist, Statist, Institutional, power structure including both parties & the media arrayed against them.
Meanwhile Cruz supporters along with their champion sit safely on the sidelines making snide comments, extolling their virtues, & marvelling how “principled” & “pure” they all are. As usual, no shows when it comes to the heavy lifting.
Excuse me If I’m a little tired of the “help” provided by such self serving “allies.” A few days ago Edge bragged he’s been acting as a disruptor since 2009. I came out openly as a 5th amendment tax-striker in 1975. P-rags goes on & on about his record & commitment. Yet as Leslie points out we’ve seen nothing from him except to tear others down so as to burnish his own imaginary credentials. He’s been challenging others to put up or shut up. Well it’s way past the time for him to either stand up & produce, or collect the rewards of indifference a growing number of us hold him in. He & the rest of his bobble-head & likeminded followers & institutional allies.

    Ragspierre in reply to secondwind. | June 25, 2016 at 2:44 pm

    You’ve made your business to post another set of lies about me.

    Post your support for the ones you told the other day, you insane, lying little troll.

    Show how I’m “Patterico”. Put it up, liar.

      You responded when I sent correspondence to the Patterico email account. You even created a special little email address for me that expressed your personal hatred for me. Sound familiar? Want specifics? One piece of the correspondence I fwd. to you involved the E.P.A. assault on the Navaho Nation & Ute mtn tribes through their deliberate breech of the Gold King mine.
      There are other examples I fwd to Patterico but after a short period I discontinued the practice. When you did respond it was with a hatred I found disturbing.
      Be notified ;
      Due to your display of paranoia & hatred I’ve decided to invoke attorney client privilege. As you claim to be a lawyer you should know this.
      1. From now on when you demand evidence ;
      A. Follow proper procedure.
      B. File a motion of Discovery.
      2. If you have questions as to any of this consult an area law library. I’ve found their staff to be helpful.
      3. Good luck in this. In the spirit of Brexit ;
      “Sod off wanker!!”

        Ragspierre in reply to secondwind. | June 25, 2016 at 4:12 pm

        Dear CrazyCakes…

        I don’t even comment on Patterico, much less set up “special email accounts”, you poor idiot. I certainly am NOT Patterico, as you insanely asserted the other day, and implied in a long list of lies.

        Again, Prof. Jacobson has my law firm address, as he can confirm if you email him. I am a simply country lawyer in Texas, not a prosecutor in California.

        There are exactly TWO blogs on which I comment, since several others became more restrictive in the last year or two. “Questions and Observations” is one (I suggest you DO NOT post there, as you’ll be eaten alive, with relish). This is the other.

        You burst onto this scene with the expressly stated purpose of damaging me here; why I cannot divine as you really are simply out of your flucking mind, as you show often.

        You suffer from multiple inferiority complexes and personality disorders, and I think you simply suffer from bad wiring.

        Witness that you are NOT my client, and you cannot assert any privilege, you poor, insane, troll.

        I don’t hate you any more than I hate any lying sack of shit who posts personal attacks about me.

        Finally, in the spirit of your coda, FU in your mouth. Then in your eye-sockets.

          P-rag’s :
          Then how did a person with the moniker “Ragspierre” come to use the Patterico contact as a connection for those interested in advancing a constitutional support endeavor shortly after the Cruz loss. On this site I might add.
          And how did I come to get on the contact list for that endeavor after I responded.
          And as I’ve already noted, how did you & I come to have a limited correspondence as a result.
          I didn’t want to go here but you kept insisting.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | June 25, 2016 at 5:07 pm


          You are a lying sack of shit.

          Of course you CAN link to anything supporting your lies. Go ahead.

          “Then how did a person with the moniker “Ragspierre” come to use the Patterico contact as a connection for those interested in advancing a constitutional support endeavor shortly after the Cruz loss. On this site I might add.”

          I linked to Patterico’s initiative for constitutional conservatives, you moron. That never makes me “Patterico”. And that was just a few weeks ago, not “shortly after the Cruz loss”, liar.

          “And how did I come to get on the contact list for that endeavor after I responded.”

          I haven’t the vaguest idea, CrazyCakes. Perhaps during one of your psychotic episodes?

          “And as I’ve already noted, how did you & I come to have a limited correspondence as a result.”

          We did not. Put up proof you had ANY such correspondence with anyone. It certainly was not me, and I’m the only “Ragspierre” I think anyone doing an internet search will find, although it is possible someone is trolling using my moniker.

          Bottom line: you lied about me being Patterico. You lied about who I am. You lie typically. And you really do have some very bad wiring.

    .” A few days ago Edge bragged he’s been acting as a disruptor since 2009.”

    And please, we never downplayed violence against Trump supporters. It’s just that our condemnation of that violence does not translate into support of Trump.

    Thank you, Secondwind, but to be honest, I no longer read all, or even most of, the comments on LI (they’re quite unreadable for the most part), so I missed this toilet paper thing you mention (it sounds like it’s just as well that I did! 😉 ).

    I have never once defended violence against Trump fans. Never. Once. And I never will. It’s inexcusable and indefensible.

    While I was a Cruz for president supporter when he was still running in the primary, he is no longer in the race (something that Trump fans don’t seem to grasp fully); indeed, I don’t identify with a lot of other #NeverTrump Republicans because many of them weren’t Cruz supporters and actually thought Cruz would be just as bad or even worse than Trump. . . they supported Jeb, Kasich, even Rubio. None of whom got a second glance from me. But this is a common problem with Trump fans: they insist on simplifying everything and attempting to shove everyone who does not support Trump into the same box. This simplistic thinking is not helpful and results in unreasonable declarations, naive assumptions, and downright silly “arguments” that would be amusing if made by a precocious ten-year-old.

    #NeverTrump people include we principled conservatives you seem to disdain, absolutely. As a Constitutional conservative (who is to the right of Ted Cruz and even Jim DeMint), I count myself among them. However, other #NeverTrump people are progressive Republicans (we’ve come to call them the GOPe, but they’re really just progressives), moderate Republicans who consider themselves “socially liberal but fiscally conservative,” Independents who used to be Republicans but bailed long ago in disgust and only now shuffle off their couches and toss on a ratty bathrobe to protest something they sat back and let happen, and a host of others. This is the real problem for Trump, but it’s not getting any attention at all, and his campaign (thus far, anyway) has done nothing to address the diverse and adamant #NeverTrump groups.

    There is no monolithic #NeverTrump movement or group; we come from across the political spectrum (obviously Dems and leftists, commies, et al are #NeverTrump, too), and our reasons are as varied as our political leanings. For example, I have nothing but disdain for Jeb Bush. He’s a slime ball who was stupid enough to claim that he didn’t need conservatives to win (sound familiar?) and, along with a host of other problems, notably stated that he “used to be a conservative.” Jeb is a big spending, big government guy who would never ever get my vote, either. Yet he’s also #NeverTrump. He is so for completely different reasons than I. Jeb thinks illegal immigration is a an “act of love”; I think it’s a crime. I could go down the list, but you get the picture. I share not one of Jeb Bush’s (actual) ideological stances (I say “actual” because he’s a campaign conservative who says anything to get elected). Lumping me in with him is . . . ridiculous on its face. It’s also a huge stretch to lump Jeb! in with Cruz supporters. Or indeed Cruz himself with Jeb and his GOPe ilk. Yet Trump fans do this all the time.

    Other #NeverTrump types, also big government loons, like George Will, are offended by Trump’s brash and crass and crude manner and imagine him as president and literally cringe at the thought. Oh, wait, bad example. I, too, find Trump repulsive and crude and think he would be a daily embarrassment to our country. Some #NeverTrump people are so because of his disrespect for women or “Muslim ban” comments or something else he’s said that just hit them wrong. But I don’t hate everything he says; I think a temporary ban on Muslims, executed properly, is a good idea. Trump never said for all time; he was very clear that it would be temporary (until “they figure out what’s going on”). I’m good with that. Obviously, there would have to be exceptions for American citizens and others (diplomats, heads of state, etc.), but generally speaking, accepting tens of or hundreds of thousands of “refugees” is a big mistake. Big. I also would like to see the border wall, approved by Congress and signed into law by President Bush (43) in 2006, built. It should have been built ten years ago.

    I do not dislike everything Trump says. I just distrust it, and in addition to other concerns, I am deeply skeptical about his understanding of the Constitution (something I’ve written in comments in detail, with links).

    It’s possible for diverse groups to share common ground. For example, not a single Republican voted for ObamaCare, including the many who are now keeping it going and/or have come to accept, even embrace, it as the new normal. People who opposed ObamaCare came from a range of political ideologies: the TEA Party, the GOPe, progressives, Independents, and on and on. But they all opposed it for different reasons. We didn’t like it because it was another government boondoggle that took over a huge swath of the economy, centralized our healthcare, mandated we purchase a product, and basically inserted D. C. into our private, medical lives. Progressives didn’t like it because it didn’t go far enough to rob us of our liberty. Does that make everyone who opposed ObamaCare exactly the same? Did it make progressives into TEA Party patriots or TEA Party patriots into commies? Clearly not. It really shouldn’t be difficult to understand that not everyone who opposes Trump is exactly the same, and yet . . . .

    In other words, many of the Trump fan attacks on #NeverTrump people as some kind of monolithic, single-minded mass of humanity don’t hit their mark because it’s so deeply, incredibly obvious that these Trump train people haven’t taken the time to understand the many facets of the thing they are attacking. This lack of critical thinking leads to sophomoric rhetorical flailing that no one can take seriously (except another Trump fan, I guess). Understanding your perceived “enemy” is imperative to a successful counterstrike, and until Trump fans realize the myriad reasons that diverse groups of people have for opposing Trump, they will continue to be ineffective.

      Thank you Fuzzy for your thoughtful response. For the most part I agree with you. I’m old school, I’ll defend to the death your right to your individually arrived at opinion. We need more acceptance of that principle.
      I’ve stated this before. Precluding republican double dealing Trump is the nominee. I support Donald Trump. More specifically I support the Voters who voted for him in numbers not seen before. I support his supporters & the American spirit that drives them. I’ve done so for over 40 years.
      A big factor in my support for Donald Trump is the havoc he is bringing on the republican party. I took a position of not endorsing anyone in the beginning. When it became undeniable the consternation he was causing republican leadership my support was unavoidable.

It has been obvious for a while that Trump supporters do not see that I, along with others here, are supporting our country to the nth degree by rejecting a Trump nomination.

Trump is grandiosity on steroids. Trump is a cliché, a stereotype of Cheesy America. Trump is a comb over Kanye. Trump is upper class America who knows how to wow the peons.

I knew that eventually Rags would start fighting with a site writer. Too bad it’s you Leslie. Just a word of warning, Be careful what you say, you don’t want to get banned.

Considering the role tea kettles played in brexit,
it is no surprise that global warming and brexit are tied together strongly.

On another front, it seems we are seeing a Geo-exit. As in George Will.

    Funny, Rod. It’s about time Rags had an LI writer to “start fighting with.” Why should you Trump fans have all the fun fighting with me and Edge?

    Ragspierre in reply to RodFC. | June 25, 2016 at 5:20 pm

    IF you could read, instead of just lie, you’d know that I am not infrequently capable of critiques of even our esteemed host.

    I will critique anyone, and I have. And always for good reasons, which I state.

    Note, however, that I’ve never called a pro-T-rump supporter a “worthless whore” (Gary Britt), a “traitor” (various, but particularly VA”Gentleman”, or a paid lying shill for…whoever (Barry)…with the exception of D’Mav who really apparently was a mole-troll for T-rump while playing a Cruz supporter.

    There are T-rump supporters, against whom I’ve never launched an attack (while answering them), and there are T-rump cultists such as yourself, against whom I often will push back.

    I would expect any discerning reader to note the distinction.

    Anybody who’s been banned did it on their own demerits, without any input from me, including Gary Britt who physically threatened me, but who I did not turn in to the Prof.

      Barry in reply to Ragspierre. | June 26, 2016 at 9:18 am

      “or a paid lying shill for…whoever (Barry)…with the exception of D’Mav who really apparently was a mole-troll for T-rump while playing a Cruz supporter.”

      Aww, ain’t that cute. You get to accuse someone of being a paid supporter, with no evidence other that your high opinion of yourself. When I do the same, it’s different.

      LOL, you are such a damn hypocrite.

      You and headintheSand-box are sympatico and of apparent equal intellect.

      And note, I’ve never accused you of being a paid shill, just of being an ignorant blowhard using the tactics of the left.

    RodFC: Rags isn’t going to get banned for calling me a “Collectivist.” Perish the thought.

    I did not not realize tea kettles were under threat of being banned under EU regulations. As I deal with chemical materials, I dread any client work involving Europe. The inanity of the requirements makes be angry.

    I was once at an Italian Tea Party, in Florence, back in 2010. They were complaining about the impact of EU regulations on ice cream.

    I think the Brits have let the genie out of the bottle, and I suspect several countries will follow quickly.

      Ragspierre in reply to Leslie Eastman. | June 25, 2016 at 6:02 pm

      Really, Leslie, TRY to be honest.

      I did not call you a “Collectivist”. I said your “apology” was a typical Collectivist meme.

      “Oh, deee-ah, I jus’ offered you some whisky, an’ said you’re a fin’ gentlemen. If I hurt your feeeeeeelin’s, I’m so sorry.”

      That’s a Collectivist “apology”.

      BTW, you did not, and really cannot, “hurt my feelings”. But I do know when I’m being attacked, instead of having my critique dealt with.

      Which you still have not done.

      RodFC: Rags isn’t going to get banned for calling me a “Collectivist.” Perish the thought.

      You missunderstand. Rags would never be banned. Even if he posted present day nude pics of Hillary.

      I’m warning you to be careful that you don’t get banned.

      BTW the word is gelato not ice cream. Just tried that new Breyer’s stuff. It was good, but I’m really not sure what to make of it.

        By the grace of God and Professor Jacobson, I’m not going anywhere either…at least not until Nov.9th, when I may remain in a state of drunken oblivion perpetually.

      mariner in reply to Leslie Eastman. | June 26, 2016 at 12:08 am

      I watched a Brexit video and was astounded at the number of regulations governing everyday life:

        Great video, mariner. It was fascinating.

        It’s truly astounding. However, if they retain Europan Association Agreement (iirc that’s what it’s called), most of the regulations will still apply. They get to reclaim their democracy in other ways.

        Ragspierre in reply to mariner. | June 26, 2016 at 6:35 pm

        It’s fascinating that anybody could watch that and still support T-rumpist economics.

        Or spout the fatuous lie that “trade” has caused the decline in the American economy.

        Just astounding…

Rags: When you are prepared to have a rational discussion about Trump, then I would be delighted to engage you.

See Fuzzy for an example of how to do so.

Until then, I can only chuckle at your assertions and go onto other things. May God bless you.

    Ragspierre in reply to Leslie Eastman. | June 25, 2016 at 6:12 pm

    My critique was entirely rational, and you are STILL attempting to attack me personally instead of dealing with my points by implying that “I’m not rational”.

    You can refer to my first comment if you’ve lost track. Which I frankly doubt, as shown by your more recent comments about me calling you a Collectivist.

    Be honest. Step up.

      Barry in reply to Ragspierre. | June 26, 2016 at 9:21 am

      “and you are STILL attempting to attack me personally”

      Aww, ain’t that cute. Mr. Personal Attack dog is complaining about being personally attacked.

At the point I’m writing this there have been 55 comments on this thread. P-rags has made 15 of those comment’s. That’s over 27%.
Many of his responses have been vitriolic & abusive. I don’t believe he’s gotten any such in kind replies. Yet he claims the role of victim.

    Ragspierre in reply to secondwind. | June 25, 2016 at 6:38 pm

    There are other examples I fwd to Patterico but after a short period I discontinued the practice. When you did respond it was with a hatred I found disturbing.
    Be notified ;
    Due to your display of paranoia & hatred I’ve decided to invoke attorney client privilege. As you claim to be a lawyer you should know this.
    1. From now on when you demand evidence ;
    A. Follow proper procedure.
    B. File a motion of Discovery.
    2. If you have questions as to any of this consult an area law library. I’ve found their staff to be helpful.
    3. Good luck in this. In the spirit of Brexit ;
    “Sod off wanker!!”

    Signed, DoubleSucks.


    You’re actually counting comments and determining who has posted the highest percentage of comments? To what end? I find this most bizarre (in an intriguing not mean-spirited kind of way).

      Fuzzy :
      Read the comment directly before yours. The attitude displayed in that comment is incapable of developing a strategy or discipline that will win this war. It contains all the aspects of why “principled conservative’s” will never win this war. Of why they’ve been consistently losing for over 30 years now.
      I’ve been at this for over 4 decades. I intend to win.
      That drives everything I & others of the long time resistance do.
      It’s not about us, it’s about America & winning.

        I get what you are saying and admire your determination (I feel the same way). What I don’t get is your claim that principled conservatives have been losing for 30 years unless you mean that so many just don’t vote if the candidate is not also a principled conservative (I’m not one of those; I always vote)?

        I say this because principled conservatives, like Blue Dog Democrats, have been steadily pushed out of the party in favor of big spending, big government progressives who have taken over the GOP. In that sense, yes, we are losing and have been for some time; however, much of that, as Andrew Breitbart explained in his book Righteous Indignation, is related to the right’s ineptitude about and loss of the culture war. We were just too polite, too unwilling to either judge others or to engage in the kind of tactics that are needed to compete with leftists and progressives. Others were simply uninterested in the cultural and societal shifts taking place at breakneck speeds until it was (almost) too late.

        My point, of course, is that it’s too easy to point at principled conservatives and claim they/we are the problem. The ease itself is a clear indicator that the situation in which we find ourselves is far more complicated than that. After all, what have you . . . what? unprincipled conservatives (?) done to stop the steady loss of American liberty, etc.? As far as I can see, whatever you’ve been doing, it wasn’t any more successful than we principled conservatives have been.

        Then again, perhaps our pointing fingers isn’t a great idea and accomplishes pretty much nothing but creating enemies out of potential allies who do, after all, share the same love of country and desire to protect our founding principles and values? Just a thought.

        My aim is to take it back, and yes, that takes time and patience. We cannot undo in one, two, or even three election cycles what’s been steadily accomplished over decades of election cycles. Throwing up our hands in disgust while stomping our feet and muttering to ourselves is what got us to where we are.

The idiocy, the fraud, the corruption, the stupidity and the fascism behind the lie of global warming: that’s settled.

Dang that was too funny. Too bad everybody is sooo busy worrying about who called whom what. (That’s right.) I manage to slam liberals, followers of the prophet Mohammed, and worshipers of Mother Earth, and I get 2 thumbs up. Thank you, but, hey, come on, that was funny. Let’s keep the eyes on the prize. My wit and ridding us of socialist-liberal-totalitarian communist/socialist who want to grow rich under their paternalistic heels.

I did miss, though. One explanation for the disaster in Syria is the global warming which caused a drought, exasperated by the failure of state and local government to manage water resources. Again, like coffee and bacon, is there anything global warming can’t do? (Global warming hasn’t brought peace among those who strive for truth, justice, and the American way of life.

Hey everybody, who is the most divisive president in history?