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Trump set to “steal” more delegates in “rigged” northeast primaries (Update – Grand “Theft”)

Trump set to “steal” more delegates in “rigged” northeast primaries (Update – Grand “Theft”)

If Trump had proportional delegate allocation, he would have zero chance of a first ballot win.

What do you call a presidential candidate who invents a phony talking point portraying himself as a victim, when he in fact is the perpetrator?

Bill Clinton? Yes, but let’s not get nostalgic.

Mr. Donald J. Trump? Yes, bingo.

Trump and his merry band of Trumpmedia have relentlessly pushed the narrative that Trump is the victim of a rigged delegate selection system. When Ted Cruz gets more delegates than his share of vote, it’s called “stealing” and “cheating” and more evidence of “Lyin’ Ted.”

Being the victim of a rigged system is essential to the popularity of Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders. And Mr. Donald J. Trump.

But it’s completely false. As we have demonstrated before, Trump is the single biggest beneficiary of the delegate allocation so far, winning a much higher number of delegates per vote than Cruz.

Trump is likely to “steal” delegates from the “rigged” system again tonight in the northeastern primaries.

It’s worth mentioning that Trump victories in the northeast are no sign of general election strength. No Republican, including Trump, is likely to win any of the states voting tonight in a general election, much less New York or Massachussets which Trump previously won. Barring a Hillary indictment, the northeast will stay blue.

(In 2012 I wrote about the perennial false hope of Pennsylvania, Republicans whom the Gods would destroy, they first give hope in Pennsylvania.)

My formerly home State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations is a perfect example. It is thoroughly run by Democrats and unions, had the highest vote percentage for Obama in 2012 (63%), and the Republican Party is dysfunctional. No Republican presidential candidate is winning Rhode Island in the general election. Yet a video of some people in Warwick running after a Trump bus was hyped by Trumpmedia as a sign of Trump’s overwhelming popularity. You are being played, people.

Scott Rasmussen describes how Trump, once again, is likely to get more delegates tonight than his vote percentage:

Tuesday should be a very good day for Donald Trump. Voters in Connecticut, Maryland, Rhode Island, Delaware and Pennsylvania will take part in selecting 172 delegates to the Republican national convention. Trump is widely expected to win all five contests and win between 98 and 123 of the 172 delegates at stake.

But, because such a great performance is already built into projections, winning these delegates will not increase Trump’s chances of wrapping up the nomination…. In practical terms, then, the race for the Republican nomination will be determined by the 10 races left after Tuesday’s competition….

There is one ironic footnote to the Northeastern Primary. The very process that Trump claims is rigged against him will once again work to his benefit. His share of the delegates won on Tuesday will almost certainly exceed his share of the vote. Up to this point, Trump has earned 28 percent more delegates than his pro rata share of the vote would deem appropriate.

All the Trump supporters screaming about the nomination being stolen should demand the convention’s rules be changed on the first ballot to a strictly proportional allocation of delegates based on vote percentage.

In which case Mr. Donald J. Trump’s “theft” of delegates would come to an end, as would his hope of winning on the first ballot.

UPDATE 11 p.m. — This may be the biggest “theft” of the season. Trump gets approximately 60% of the vote tonight but over 95% of the delegates. System sure is “rigged”:

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results

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Whining and lying are just accepted tactics when you are a stinking, lying Collectivist puke.

And they work. Frauds don’t defraud because it never works. It often does. See University, T-rump.

    Mr. Izz in reply to Ragspierre. | April 26, 2016 at 1:24 pm

    The only people lying and whining lately are Ted Cruz and his supporters. How many times is he giving an interview and allowed to lie and lie about Trump’s platform? How many times does Cruz blame Trump for this or for that?

    How many times are we going to hear that somehow Ted Cruz, who is apparently just a regional/niche candidate, is going to unite the party and is going to easily win this election?

    Trump is now topping national polls at 50%. Cruz supporters say, “well, that means 50% of the Republicans don’t support him, he’s not electable.” In the same moment, they ignore their own candidate hovering around 25%.

    I’m tired of being lied to, and Cruz continues to live up to his nickname.

LukeHandCool | April 26, 2016 at 1:29 pm

It’s been rumored, but I wish Ted Cruz would come out and announce Carly Fiorina as his running mate already.

I know if it comes, it will be timed to deflate media attention of a big Trump NE sweep, but I want to see Carly on the stump ripping Trump a new one, and I want it now!

Winner take all or proportional representation is not rigged or stealing.

Subverting the will of voters IS rigged or stealing.

Allocation of delegates is not the problem, but the selection of stealth delegates certainly is.

    Ever heard of grassroots activism? The caucuses and delegate processes you call stealing are the very essence of republicanism.

    Save your rhetoric for the low info crowd. You won’t fool anyone on this site.

      Of course I have heard of grassroots activism.

      I get it, you do not agree. You think you are smarter than me. Good for you. However, just because you imply you are high info does not make it so, and seeing many comments here show that low info is not reserved for only one group of supporters.

      Your “essence of republicanism” sounds very cliche, and one could argue that it also means that representatives have a moral obligation to express the will of those represented, not pretend that they will.

      The mafia is just grassroots activism also. That doesn’t make their actions ethical or proper.

      forksdad in reply to Zachary. | April 27, 2016 at 10:47 am

      Really? Because it looks like even Colorado is acknowledging the GOPe couldn’t win without it looking like fraud. I am laughing at your superior lawyering skills.

      Delegates that don’t have to declare who they’ll really vote for? Another layer of delegates after that? Let’s make it so opaque you couldn’t find your way from one end to the other with GPS and sidescanning radar.

    Subverting the will of voters?

    Holy crap.. you think this is a democracy, don’t you?

conservative tarheel | April 26, 2016 at 1:49 pm

being a victim .. yes Bill Clinton … and I wonder
if Trump learned it from him …

for YEARS conservatives have said .. when we run moderates/liberals
we LOSE .. when we run conservatives we WIN … lets run a conservative.

and we get McCain, we get Romney, we get Dole …. and we lose.
this time we have a chance to run a honest to goodness conservative
and we are going to nominate a moderate Dem.

and so people will walk into the voting booth .. and vote for the
Liberal who is at least honest in the Liberalism .. not someone
who is pretending to be something they are not.

Ok, playing along with the professor’s hypothetical.

Trump would not have a majority (if all delegates were proportional), but he would be up millions of votes and up 75% or more in delegates & nearly double second place, and his convention delegates would actually support Trump on the second and subsequent ballots.

The race would be over by this point.

Hell, it’s over now except for the “faithless delegates” issue.

Sorry, but …

… comparing a candidate who does well in an electoral system when actual votes are involved ….

… with a candidate who does well when votes are not involved, but wheeling & dealing is …

… is merely a juggling trick with apples and oranges. They’re really not the same, no matter how much you try to blur the distinction.

    Ragspierre in reply to tom swift. | April 26, 2016 at 2:50 pm

    But tom, you lying old faker, NOBODY is doing that BUT you.

    The nominating system is what it is. You are kicking against the pricks. Or attempting to lie here.

Victims of Alien Crime: Cruz Commits ‘Treason’ in Alliance with Kasich

by Julia Hahn 26 Apr 2016
Washington D.C.

Certain American victims of illegal alien crime say Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX)
should be “charged with treason” for his decision to team up with pro-amnesty Governor John Kasich in order to nullify the votes of Donald Trump supporters.

“They both ought to be charged with treason,” said Billy Inman, whose son 16-year-old Dustin was murdered while he and his family were on their way to celebrate an early Father’s Day family fishing trip. An illegal alien rear-ended the family’s vehicle at over 60 mph. His son’s murderer is still roaming free.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/04/26/victims-alien-crime-cruz-commits-treason-alliance-kasich/

    Ragspierre in reply to Gary Britt. | April 26, 2016 at 2:47 pm

    Thread jack attempt No. 1.

    Oh, and how many illegals has T-rump EMPLOYED over the decades…???

      So you got nothing and Mr. Principled Conservative aligns himself with open borders act of love Kasich. Actually not really a surprise since Cruz lies about wanting to secure border.

        Ragspierre in reply to Gary Britt. | April 26, 2016 at 3:44 pm

        But you lying SOS, Cruz has never “aligned” himself with Kay-sick. They merely agreed to a strategic alliance in this one area and this one time.

        You are SUCH a lying SOS…!!!

    malclave in reply to Gary Britt. | April 26, 2016 at 6:04 pm

    It’s pretty pathetic that Trump supporters are exploiting a son’s grief for political purposes like this. But I guess they’ll do anything to get Hillary elected.

The Legal Insurrection whining snot bubble machine has been producing product for how many months now? Last August?
At first it was intermittent. But as Trumps successes confounded expectations it found it necessary to increase production. It brought in more workers via columnists & commentators.
As Trumps successes increased it started to bog down due to design flaws & built in inefficiencies. Till now it is nothing but a collection of flailing levers, pistons, gears, bearings & shafts striking out at random in fruitless frustration.
Poor little snot bubble machine. This year it thought would be the year. Instead it finds itself the object of jeers & mockery by a crowd of rube’s & yahoos willing to pay a quarter to witness the freak show it has become.

Trumpkins, the P. T. Barnum of tweets, has a tweet in direct response to this “outrageous” blog: “that LI is a disgustin’, lyin’, cheatin’ …I think you’ll have riots.”

After Cruz and Kasich are drubbed and scrubbed today they should do the right thing bow out of the race. It was over for both of them a while ago.. why cause chaos, just for the fun of it? Nice..

    Ragspierre in reply to Vince. | April 26, 2016 at 3:41 pm

    Tell that to Lincoln, Ike and Goldwater, you stupid, historically moronic T-rump sucker.

      Vince in reply to Ragspierre. | April 26, 2016 at 5:23 pm

      I didn’t make a personal attack on anyone here so I have to ask what’s wrong with you? are you this miserable a person with everybody in your life?

        The answer is yes he is. Ragspierre is the designated cruzbot ad hominem machine, and Fuzzy’s favorite poster.

        Me I’m convinced his emotional development was stunted in 5th grade when a stranger began diddling with his pee pee in a movie theater or something.

          malclave in reply to Gary Britt. | April 26, 2016 at 6:08 pm

          Me I’m convinced his emotional development was stunted in 5th grade when a stranger began diddling with his pee pee in a movie theater or something.

          Probably Donald Trump.

    Sanddog in reply to Vince. | April 26, 2016 at 5:24 pm

    The popularity contest isn’t the same as the actual nomination procedure. Let it run its course.

Time to start getting used to terms like, landslide, blow out, out perform etc. which are going to be in the vocabulary of the media very soon. You bitter haters of any thing Trump better start to make the emotional transition, or your medication requirements are going to be far greater than they are now, and I suspect for some of you “meds” are already a big part of your life.

    Ragspierre in reply to Walter. | April 26, 2016 at 4:14 pm

    We’ll see about YOUR value as a prognosticator, Walter. I’ve never said that T-rump could not be the nominee. I’ve remarked that the U.S. has twice elected a lying, Collectivist, narcissistic asshole.

    It could be a trend…

    conservative tarheel in reply to Walter. | April 26, 2016 at 5:29 pm

    yup if Trump is the nominee then Hillary wins in a blow out
    landslide etc …
    cuz the Dems that are voting for Trump ..
    are going to vote for Hillary … and the Trump faction
    is not enough to pull your orange haired god to victory
    because your orange haired god has pissed off everyone else
    enough they very well may not vote at all or at least not
    for him.

      Yeah people like you and the media have been predicting Trump’s demise since June of last year. They have NEVER been correct.

      Cruz on the other hand can’t carry Florida, Ohio or several other must win states for a GOP Presidential candidate. The blowout will be if ANYBODY BUT TRUMP gets the nomination.

    malclave in reply to Walter. | April 26, 2016 at 6:10 pm

    You bitter haters of any thing Trump better start to make the emotional transition

    What transition? If Trump gets the nomination, it would be the first time I didn’t bother voting in a presidential election, but not the first time I left a ballot blank because the only choice I was given was between two Democrats.

Cruz Zombies: anyone who still thinks the
Travelling Revival Tent ELMER GANTRY Preacher
has a chance to “stop Trump” after tonight.

Go clutch your pearls.
And grab your hankies.
I have NO PITY for you filth, who have so
polluted this campaign season
with your sanctimonious venom.

Pretending to be “true, principled, conservative”
and even Christian, your MESSIAH – at times with
the cooperation of the GOP Establishment
he so derided verbally (all while doing
what he could to aid and abet their goals) – used
EXACTLY THE SAME FILTHY, UNETHICAL, SMARMY tricks
as any traditional skeezy politician has used
to try to stay afloat during
this turbulent campaign season.

Enjoy your UNTERGANG.
I WILL.

    genes in reply to Kauf Buch. | April 26, 2016 at 4:23 pm

    So your meds aren’t working.

    Ragspierre in reply to Kauf Buch. | April 26, 2016 at 4:44 pm

    Damn.

    He went BOTH all caps and Germanic on us.

    Dude! You never go all caps and Germanic…

    Sanddog in reply to Kauf Buch. | April 26, 2016 at 5:26 pm

    When I saw the words “filthy”, “unethical” and “smarmy”, I knew immediately I was reading the words of a Trump supporter … or a moron. Not that the two are always mutually exclusive.

      amwick in reply to Sanddog. | April 26, 2016 at 8:34 pm

      So “lying SOS” and “a__hole” are both fine and dandy? There is a great deal of less than civilized discourse going both ways. Absolutely.

    malclave in reply to Kauf Buch. | April 26, 2016 at 6:11 pm

    Pretending to be “true, principled, conservative”
    and even Christian, your MESSIAH – at times with
    the cooperation of the GOP Establishment
    he so derided verbally (all while doing
    what he could to aid and abet their goals) – used
    EXACTLY THE SAME FILTHY, UNETHICAL, SMARMY tricks
    as any traditional skeezy politician has used

    So I take it you’re opposed to Trump and his minions as well.

I have been following LI for several years now. I am disappointed in the anti Trump tone and will be moving away from LI as one of my key sites I check on a regular basis. Not because they do not support Trump, but because they fail to see the true nature of the GOP and how it has been one big failure after another. Dole failed. Bush/GOP failed by not changing the rules in Congress so Obama Care passes on a technically, Bush Government Buyout, McCain, Romney, etc….

I would rather see Trump in there to wake up the party or kill it for it has lost the middle class. When we are saddled with bad entailment programs like the $800 B F35 JSF program or Obamacare and we are forced to protect our daughter when she is in the bathroom from someone with gender identity issues, all is lost with either party.

I am going third party this year if it is not Trump or something really happens to produce a better candidate. That is after 30+ years of voting for GOP President candidates.

And yes, I have citizenship issues with Cruz. I don’t think Cruz can get the votes to win. As for Carly as his running mate, come on. If you know anything about HP, she screwed that up. Not to say she is better than Biden.

Beating Hillary should be easy, but leave it to the GOP to screw that up.

No matter how much I dislike Trump, when Jordon Belfor said in his book he did not like him, Trump credibility when up for me.

One of the few politicians that I have agreed on with every issue over the past 15 years is Jeff Session from Alabama. Guess what, he endorsed Trump. It is starting to look like Newt is there too. The GOP has been broken since they lost Lee Atwater 91. Carl Rove lost the GOP base and Reince Priebus is killing it.

ufo destroyers | April 26, 2016 at 5:38 pm

Up front I’m a Cruz supporter. That said, on with the post.

Since no one has posted the numbers I’ll do the math. Currently it stands at Trump-834, Cruz-522, Rubio-174,and Kasich-149. These are within one or two either way depending on what map is used.

If every state went with proportional delegates and the raw vote counts stayed equal this is what I calculate (gotta throw out a couple like the territories that don’t have a total vote count and CO & ND): Trump-622, Cruz-509, Rubio-279, Kasich-204.

Mighty big swing down for the Donald and somehow Rubio and Kasich gain, but not enough to still equal Cruz. I think there’s about 730 delegates left to go and this would be a different race if it was straight up proportional. But each team is playing the game with the rules laid out in each state. That’s the key–each state has its own rules. Messing around to make all the states do the same thing would probably be harder to do than force a democrat endorse a tax cut for the mythical 1%.

Not sure what would be different on the Dim side if the same methods were used and no super delegates-I haven’t tracked that.

    Your calculations are not Correct. Trump starts with 845 or 846. Did you subtract out the voterless primary delegates from Colorado and Wyoming, etc.?

    The general election is winner take all in every state. The primaries should be that way as well.

      malclave in reply to Gary Britt. | April 26, 2016 at 6:17 pm

      The general election is winner take all in every state. The primaries should be that way as well.

      The general election is winner take all in MOST states, not every. The Constitution gives the states the authority to decide how to appoint electors.

      What you seem to be saying is that you want a law to force political parties to choose delegates based on what the state legislature, not the party membership, wants.

Prelim exits show 56% of Pennsylvania GOP voters would “definitely” vote for Trump in general.
But only 25% (!) say same for Cruz.

—————–

GOP exit polling: Strong Majority of GOP voters believe candidate who gets the most votes should be nominee:

Connecticut: 68%

Maryland: 66%

Pennsylvania: 70%:

Shorter Version Trump wins nomination. Get used to it. Cruz machinations will fail.

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Chuck Todd says that the “Stop Trump” movement is in “dire straits” and the “Stop Trump” movement must be asking, “what the heck happened?” He adds that the Cruz-Kasich alliance in crumbling on multiple fronts. The “Stop Trump” clown show (consisting mostly of establishment operatives looking for ways to be relevant this election cycle) ran the clock out on itself and could still go bust even if Trump loses Indiana, according to Todd.

——————–

Lewandowski on CNN says that after tonight, Messrs. Cruz/Kasich should back Trump to unite the Republican Party. He says Trump and his message will “never change.” He says the motto of the campaign has and will be “Let Mr. Trump be Mr. Trump.”

    JackRussellTerrierist in reply to Gary Britt. | April 26, 2016 at 7:31 pm

    WGAS what those dem-lites think? They’re not real conservatives and they can’t deliver their states anyway, so eff ’em if they don’t like the rules.

Based on what I’m seeing on political reporting shows and what I’ve read about exit polls, it looks like electorate tonight is shaping up to be very similar in attitudes and turnout to the New York primary turnout. If that is the case look for Trump to over perform again tonight.

Also, I think the Cruz/Kasich collusion deal could result in a fall off in voter turnout for Kasich. Possibly Cruz also but I have the feeling it is hurting Kasich more than Cruz. Another example of not making deals with the Glenn Beck Mormon Prophet.

This is very good strategy, by Cruz supporters, to divert attention from how Cruz is acquiring delegates for secondary votes at the convention. The Trump campaign continues to point out that the Republican Party essentially awards delegates based upon factors other than the actual vote numbers from voters. And, in this he is correct. There is no uniformity, in the delegate selection process, from state to state. It is total chaos. Now, Trump does very well with the rank and file voter, in the primary. He has received the highest number of votes of any Republican candidate. So, it is a wise move to point this out to the voters. Cruz does fairly well with voters, but does much better in delegate awards made by party insiders, at conventions where there is little or no rank and file voter input. These are the caucuses and related venues. Cruz is not violating any rules, in his acquisition of delegates. But, none-the-less, there is a strong appearance of collusion between the GOP leadership and Cruz.

So, what you have here is Trump, the anti-establishment outsider who is being actively attacked by the Republican Party which he represents and Cruz the pseudo-anti-establishment insider who is now being supported and helped by the Republican Party leadership. Both are attempting to maximize their support base. However, the Republican Party has made it very difficult for any candidate who is seen to be supported by the party establishment to without showing overwhelming support from the rank and file voters. The party leadership has inferred, if not outright said, that the rank and file party members are important to the party and that the rank and file will choose the nominee. Then we see the fact that almost, and in some cases absolutely, NO Trump delegates come out of caucus states where the delegate selection process is largely controlled by the party leadership. How is this possible? Are we supposed to believe that there are NO Trump supporters in Colorado? How about places where Trump is awarded several delegates and then these delegates are all Cruz supporters? To name Cruz supporters as delegates for Trump only makes sense if the object is to have these delegates answer to and vote for Cruz after the first vote. Shouldn’t a delegate won by Trump actually be a Trump supporter? This would give the candidate who won that delegate the leverage provided by a supporter at the convention.

The Republican primary process is just like Vegas, the odds always rest with the Party, not the player [candidate]. And, it is becoming more apparent that the desires of the rank and file members of the party mean little or nothing to the Party. These are the Republican Parties chickens and they have come home to roost. Gotta love it.

    Okay, it seems incredibly strange to have to say this, but the Republican party nominee for president is chosen by the Republican party.

    What about this simple fact is difficult to grasp?

      Is the republican party the millions of republican voters or 1000 party elites? That is were you are confused.

      forksdad in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | April 27, 2016 at 11:16 am

      Clearly, you want it selected by the Bushes and the rest of the transnational global elitists. You’ve picked the same man as the GOPe.

      Still, why no posting as to the most important endorsement that will ever happen to Cruz, Jeb Bush. The whole GOPe and especially the Bush-gang is behind him but no articles on that. Why?

    gmac124 in reply to Mac45. | April 27, 2016 at 9:20 am

    You are completely missing one important point about the delegates. Many of the states party operatives are Tea Party people. That is how the Tea Party has attacked the Republican party is at the state and grassroots level. Ted Cruz is the ONLY Tea Party candidate in the race which makes it easy for him to pick up delegate support. Instead of trying to demean these people maybe you should realize that they have been working for years to be able to affect national elections like this. Also this has nothing to do with Party leadership so the meme that Republican leaders are trying to help Cruz is complete and utter bullshit also.

Well, there is that ‘winning without voting’ thing in CO. That seems a bit ‘rigged’ to me.

To the LLLoozerr’s who call themselves Cruz Conservatives ; Steven Hayes of the Weakly Standard called, he’d like you to send in a big check to run a general no one has heard of as a 3rd party alternative. Make the check out to ‘go screw yourselves.’

That would be because you are ignorant. There WAS voting in Colorado, just as there was in Wyoming.

You’ve been heeding liars.

Keep with the stealing headlines. Are you really that poor a commentator or that poor of a sport? I’m just here to see how far you’ve fallen from reality today.

I used to care to read your commentary but you kept being mean spirited, incapable of spelling it’s spelled ‘brokered’ not ‘contested’, and unable to come to grips with the fact that your choice is so in the GOPe pocket that he’s a Bush boy now. Not just any Bush is endorsing him Neil is on his team. Wrap your principled conservative head around that.

You’re twisting yourself out of hatred for Trump. Because you’ve bent over backwards to show you’ll twist anything to bring down Trump. Cruz can’t win delegates but has to snake them from people who did? You try to make that into a virtue, “The Republican party is republican we don’t represent the will of the people, just the elites, I mean just those who are smart enough to game party rules. It never meant the will of the people.”

Of course, real Republicans are proud to represent the will of the people. Real Republicans want their nominee to be as broadly appealing as possible because they want a big tent.

Cruz is an outsider? He’s so inside now that you couldn’t get him out with yarder and three thousand feet of cable and chain. But you cannot see that. Keep looking at the shadows on the wall and calling it reality. It might be for you. For those of us who’ve left the cave, we know what the real world looks like. Those shadows that look like men in suits? They’re cast by monsters. The GOPe will keep riding this nation to ruin but that’s alright for you. Cruz is their tool of choice.

You’ve known who your masters are since Bush endorsed Cruz. Why haven’t you written anything about that? You’re not ashamed are you? You don’t mind that you’re in bed with globalist monsters who would cheerfully carve up a country like a joint of beef to get what they want.

You say Trump is collectivist? Good God, look at the transnational collectivist men holding the leashes now. These guys are so collectivist they want to erase borders so they can ‘collect’ from everyone equally and give to their crony capitalist buddies.

If you win be a better winner and if you lose, be a better loser. Why drive the wedges in deeper? Do you want to see the Republican party go the way of the Whigs?

Did anyone else pick up the subtle messaging going on in Trump’s post-election speech?

Zelsdorf Ragshaft III | April 27, 2016 at 11:24 pm

Sadly for Cruzbots, Donald J. Trump has won more delegates than Cruz. He has had far more people vote for him. If you made all the primaries proportional he, due to the fact he has won the most contests would have the most delegates. Unlike Colorado Trump won his delegates in elections where people voted, not party bosses deciding who gets the States delegates.

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