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Liz Mair to Ann Coulter: You are in No Way Conservative

Liz Mair to Ann Coulter: You are in No Way Conservative

A smackdown you won’t want to miss

Joining Chris Matthews’ Hardball on MSNBC Monday night, Republican strategist Liz Mair sparred with columnist and purveyor of outrage, Ann Coulter, over Donald Trump’s candidacy.

Coulter, Mitt Romney fan girl and Chris Christie acolyte has been a champion of Trump’s candidacy since he announced.

Mair, who runs the PAC Trump Card LLC, the “guerrilla effort” to thwart Donald Trump’s candidacy, is leading the charge to “Make America Awesome (America is Already Great!).”

The result? A smackdown you won’t want to miss:

“Inherently, I don’t think that there’s necessarily a problem with destroying certain aspects of the Republican party as it exists. I think that there are many of us in the Republican Party who have a problem with the establishment and the way that it’s run things, but from my perspective — of someone who is a legitimate economic and fiscal conservative — I do have a problem with Trump and where he stands on array of economic and fiscal conservative issues and the fact that he is very close to Hillary Clinton on those issues and in some cases actually to the left of hers,” said Mair.

Coulter countered that Trump’s candidacy was, “all about immigration,” and that, “it doesn’t really matter what a Republicans position is on saving Social Security or how they’re going to reform Medicare.” Coulter went on to say, “Americans are being out-voted by foreigners and Americans have been begging their own party to shut it down, to stop this endless immigration for decades now.” She then attributed the defeat of amnesty legislation over this past decade to the American people who “shot it down” by “rising up in rage.”

But is that true? Not according to Mair.

“I think that that’s a patently ludicrous notion. I mean, most of the time when we’ve been looking at amnesty fights, supposedly, they’ve actually been shut down by a set of groups funded by a population control enthusiast liberal, who was actually involved in zero-population growth in the Sierra Club. That’s who’s actually shut it down. It’s not actually, in any way, advancing the economic interests of the American people. Free-market economists across the board agree with that. The only people who take the stance that Trump is taking with regards to immigration, and who actually believe that what he’s proposing would be a good idea are hardened liberals who adhere to the same economic policy line of unions out of the 1970s,” said Mair.

Again, Coulter suggests Trump’s popularity is due singularly to the immigration issue (mind you, she also has an “immigration” book out).

Once more, Mair spoke of the players behind the immigration curtain, namely Numbers USA.

Discussion then turned to Trump’s allegations that Ted Cruz is not eligible to be president.

Mair labeled the charges “bogus,” saying both liberals and Establishment Republicans have good reason for wanting to undermine Senator Cruz’s presidential campaign. “Liberals have a vested interest in trying to kick the crap out of Ted Cruz. They hate him and everything he stands for the same as Donald Trump. Who, by the way, is another liberal. He just happens to have an issue with Mexicans,” said Mair.

Coulter took the bait and foisted herself upon the “Ted Cruz isn’t eligible for the presidency because CANADA!” bandwagon.

But Coulter hasn’t always ridden the birther bus. In 2013, Coulter claimed Cruz was eligible for the presidency. Mair, had not forgotten and took the liberty of resurrecting Coulter’s old tweets prior to Hardball.

As the segment closed, Coulter picked Trump as her favorite to take it home — nomination, White House, all of it. “Ann also said that Mitt Romney was the perfect and best Republican candidate and she kissed Chris Christie’s backside up the wazoo,” said Mair. “Immigration!” screeched Coulter.

When Coulter suggested a Trump/Romney ticket, Mair dropped the hammer, “that’s the proof right there that you are in no way conservative and in no way interested in conservative policy.”

And scene.

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I think his name is Chris Matthews, not Chris Matthew.

Liz Mair is a despicable human being. Figures that KK would glom onto her.

Lucien Cordier | January 12, 2016 at 10:58 am

Trump lives in Kemberlee Kaye’s head…in a luxury hotel suite. He’ll break ground on the casino sometime in November.

    GrumpyOne in reply to Lucien Cordier. | January 12, 2016 at 12:11 pm

    I think that this was a toss up but Kimberlee’s mind is made up in another lane of travel.

    Clearly, the numbers don’t support her position and sometimes it’s just hard to accept that more people disagree with you than agree and that’s the case here.

    Trump to me has the “big picture” management experience that is needed to right the ship of state that is so sorely needed. It’s a long time before all this is decided but I think that the anger that pervades the American voter/taxpayer will speak loudly in the end count…

Listen closely to what Trump is actually proposing. In an interview with CNN’s Dana Bash earlier this year, Trump explained his plan this way:

“I would get people out and then have an expedited way of getting them back into the country so they can be legal…. A lot of these people are helping us … and sometimes it’s jobs a citizen of the United States doesn’t want to do. I want to move ’em out, and we’re going to move ’em back in and let them be legal.”

Yes. It’s called “touch-back AMNESTY”.


    Expedited as compared to what?? 10 years could be expedited compared to 30 years. How many are the good ones that come back expedited? 2, 10, 100?

    Trump wisely never says. We are listening and we trust Trump to get it right. We understand he is saying these things to prempt left wing attacks that he is not compassionate. Plus what is comes back legally? Comesback subject to new rules and regulations. Must have job. Can’t be on welfare and public assistance. Must leave country if they lose their job? He doesn’t say. Wisely.

    You of course make wild assumptions about the answers to all these things.

    Trump will build a wall. Trump will enforce our laws. Trumps immigration plan comes from senator Jeff Sessions.

    Cruz on the other hand is not trusted to build a wall. Flatly states he isn’t going to enforce our laws by deporting people like Trump will. Was for expanding H1B Visas before he was against it.

    That is called actual amnesty and just plain dumb slick willy lawyer politician immigration policy. Its called lying to win an election supercruzdupes.

    God is said to have created the universe and all life in 6 days. Rags would have you believe that means 6 24 earth hour days.

      Ragspierre in reply to Gary Britt. | January 12, 2016 at 11:28 am

      “Trump wisely never says. We are listening and we trust Trump to get it right. We understand he is saying these things to prempt left wing attacks that he is not compassionate.”

      So this is like when you approve of him lying about liking both the Clintons and saying they were great people, so as to “do business”.

      Gotcha. And you “trust T-rump”. D’rp!

        There is very little you understand and even less about Trump.

          Ragspierre in reply to Gary Britt. | January 12, 2016 at 11:58 am

          Being that I’m not a member of the T-rump cult, you’re right. I can’t read what he doesn’t say. Just what he DOES say.

          I can’t invest blind faith in him, largely because I’m NOT blind to his very shitty history, nor his current Leftist attacks on Cruz.

          You, being the fanatical cultist you show yourself to be, will lie to everyone, and first yourself. In true Collectivist form.

      Ragspierre in reply to Gary Britt. | January 12, 2016 at 11:32 am

      “Flatly states he isn’t going to enforce our laws by deporting people like Trump will.”

      THAT is a flat-footed lie. He says he WILL deport people by enforcing our laws, not by some NEW BIG GOVERNMENT agency ala T-rump (who LOVES him some BIG GOVERNMENT!).

    JimMtnViewCaUSA in reply to Ragspierre. | January 12, 2016 at 4:07 pm

    Sure, sure, Trump is no good. Whatev.
    For now, he’s doing more than the entire GOPe Congressional Leadership team. I prefer Ted Cruz, but that said I have not a microsecond to spare to criticize Trump. I just don’t care. Let’s spend our time dissing Hillary … or Yeb! … or other candidates who have no sympathy for common Americans. And no interest in tackling the real issues we face.

MaggotAtBroadAndWall | January 12, 2016 at 11:12 am

I think they are both sorta right. Mair is right that Trump does not appear to be very conservative on some economic issues. Coulter is right that illegal immigration appears to be what drove interest in Trump, at least initially.

It was a good exchange. I liked it.

    Agreed. They both made good points, but overall neither really got the better of the other. There was no clear advantage (although Mair could have capitalized more on Coulter’s one-track “immigration” stance).

    I was actually kinda disappointed: I watched because I was promised “A smackdown you won’t want to miss” that never came.

Ann Coulter ceased being anyone remotely worth paying attention to some time ago, and her latest schilling for Trump is icing on the cake. It’s one thing for Coulter to support Trump, it’s another for her to go back on her principles and to openly change her mind suddenly just because Trump has glommed onto to citizenship issue.

This is like driving in a Volkswagen to Chipotle, offering the choose of toxic emissions or E. coli.

DINORightMarie | January 12, 2016 at 12:03 pm

Ann Coulter – LOVED Chris Christie: “….he is the ONLY Republican who can win!”

Ann Coulter – LOVED Mitt Romney: “….he is the ONLY Republican who can win!”

She has lost her ability to reason, it seems. Blind. Irrational. One-issue only regardless of the REAL man not on public CELEBRITY display…….

[And, can we get someone to monitor this Trump-Troll Gary Britt, and decide if he is ban-worthy? He isn’t moving the debate along, continually loses arguments to Rags and the rest, raises irrational and disproven talking points…..yet he keeps posting nonsensical cr@p…….]

    Having seen a lot Trump supporters on twitter, and plenty more on other blogs, he’s one of the few (maybe the only one) of the Trump supporters that has shown himself capable of making even remotely logical arguments on behalf of Trump, so he’s worth keeping around if for only that.

    You think you are conservative when you espouse liberal fascist censorship of ideas with which you disagree. The up votes down votes show whose winning what arguments usually, and most of the time that isn’t Rags. However, LI has more Cruz bots than Trump bots so saying bad truthful things about Cruz is bound to get a few more down votes just because of that.

    Thanks Zummo for being a true principled conservative. 😉

      Ragspierre in reply to Gary Britt. | January 12, 2016 at 1:47 pm

      You are SOOOOOOOOOOOoooooo full of shit, Bierhall! The votes have NOTHING to do with the merits of an argument at any point in time, but DO have to do with how many Trump suckers are present on a thread.

      But this is typical of you.

      YOU haven’t a conservative notion in your crap-packed skull, and you’ve ADMITTED IT! You KNOW that T=rump and Bernie Sanders SHARE the same ideas regarding property rights and market economics, and you’re cool wid it.

      I love it when fascists call other people fascists! It’s HI-larry-ous!

        Up votes down votes reflect people’s perceptions of the merits of one’s arguments. At least 50% or more of your posts are not any kind of logical argumentation. Instead they are just irrational name calling ad hominem straw man loving rants.

        If we went on the merits of your posts versus the merits of mine, you would lose much more badly than the up votes versus down votes would indicate.

        Reading you post above (and the many many posts just as worthless and inane) it is difficult to imagine that the Cruz bots can complain that the Trump bots are irrational.

          Ragspierre in reply to Gary Britt. | January 12, 2016 at 2:16 pm

          As I’ve often noted, you live in a rich fantasy world of pure bullshit.

          You also don’t know your ass from a straw man, which you use constantly, but I carefully avoid. As with all other forms of fallacy. Poor cult enthralled “follower”.

MSNBC’s programming is a lot more entertaining these days, isn’t it?

(Still not quite watchable, but its starting to get there)

Something about a conservative ascendency animates these liberals more than just having to shill for Obama. They just seem to be having a lot more fun on programs like Morning Joe, talking about Donald Trump and the other Republicans.

As for the Coulter/Mair smackdown, conservatives are going to have to decide whether global free markets are conservative.

Free markets, not in theory but in practice, will always include the free movement of peoples across borders. The free movement of peoples across borders will destroy culture and erode values and institutions. For Example, Belgium erased New Year’s celebrations because of new immigrants (& Germany really ought to have followed their lead). What is conservative about destroying the things that you once celebrated?

    Ragspierre in reply to rotten. | January 12, 2016 at 12:15 pm

    “Free markets, not in theory but in practice, will always include the free movement of peoples across borders.”

    This is consummate bullshit. The very idea that when you buy something from a “foreign devil” on eBay, you tear down your national sovereignty is so disjointed from reality that anything that Rotten posts from now on will have to be very carefully critiqued.

Book-flogging political gadfly Ann Coulter, GOPe shill Liz Mair, and Chrissy Matthews’ Lardball program.

Why would I care what any of these three have to say?

Ms. Kaye’s interpretation is more emotional than true. Coulter did well for herself.

First, Coulter took her position on Cruz’s eligibility before Trump entered the race and in response to further research. Lawrence Tribe seems to agree that the meaning of “natural born” is not settled.

Second, I don’t know whether Numbers USA or a general public uprising forced Congress to back down from amnesty; but I’d be glad to hear reasoned arguments. My recollection is that Numbers USA helped mobilize people. So… what is the issue in Coulter’s version of that reality?

Second, the reason for supporting Trump is illegal immigration and the flow of Muslims into the West. If Trump were to win, the European resistance would be stronger. Conservatives should care about this.

Coulter’s book on immigration is quite good: she thinks and rights better than some of her public pronouncements. She is worthy of far more respect than was shown in this entry on legal insurrection.

Ann Coulter has been full of **** since around 2007. It’s now blatantly obvious that she’s a bandwagoning poser. People like her should stay off twitter if they want to fool people.

    rabidfox in reply to cepenta. | January 12, 2016 at 9:16 pm

    She disagrees with you so she shouldn’t post her opinions? How very….progressive of you. Do you also demand trigger warnings?

    JackRussellTerrierist in reply to cepenta. | January 13, 2016 at 2:44 am

    Coulter lost her mojo when she picked up her pompoms to cheerlead for McShame early on, one of the big-time lovers of illegals and amnesty. Oh, but now she’s all for allegedly anti-illegal, anti-amnesty Trump and his door for the “terrific” to return to the gringo fold.

    Anyone who believes a thing he says is a fool, and anyone who gives funny girl Coulter the time of day other than for a laugh is hard up for ratings, which I’m sure tingle-boy is.

    Much ado about nothing. I’d really hoped to see a slap-down of Coulter. False advertising from Kemberlee. Shame on you, girl. 🙂

This may be great theater but the fact remains the modern Republican Party is not governing as a party of opposition nor is it voting as a party with Conservative principles. I want to see where the House Republucans and Senate Republicans truly stand on principle and less on getting along with Obama and liberalism.

Ann Coulter and Liz Mair – much ado about nothing.

Vote for Ted Cruz and make America sane again.

So who is this guy Mair says stopped the amnesty attempts? She mentioned that he had started several groups and mentioned NumbersUSA, but that didn’t ring any bells for me… Zero population growth Sierra Club member?

Midwest Rhino | January 12, 2016 at 2:05 pm

I’m for Cruz and Trump. One will likely be the next President. Current polling says Trump, so maybe the “true conservatives” for Cruz should have a plan B, if Trump runs the table in the first three states?

And I still love Coulter … she makes the argument on immigration that so many still ignore, often out of fear of being called racist. Europe should be a wake up call, to how far our western “leaders” will go to replace the traditional American. The writing was on the wall 20 years ago, or more.

Coulter’s dalliance with Cristy is harder to understand than that for Romney, but at least she had the good sense to leave Cristy behind. She still gives good sarcasm in her columns, and has long fought in the trenches. Why the hate? Can’t we all just get along? ha

    Ragspierre in reply to Midwest Rhino. | January 12, 2016 at 2:20 pm

    “…so maybe the “true conservatives” for Cruz should have a plan B, if Trump runs the table in the first three states?”

    I plan on impeaching him if he becomes POTUS. And rubbing the T-rump suckers in his Mr. Establishment behavior in office. To start…

I R A Darth Aggie | January 12, 2016 at 2:23 pm

Trump is not a conservative.

used eminent domain to obtain property for private use
is a fan of single payer health care
fairly recently criticized people for “needlessly” provoking Muslims
advocated for higher taxes on the wealthy

If you want a Democrat in the White House for another term, maybe y’all ought to vote for an actual Democrat? unless y’all can point me to his Road to Damascus moment when he found out that he was wrong about those things?

Anyone? anyone? Bueller?

The good thing about him is that he doesn’t accept the assumptions that baked into the MFM’s questions, and challenges them on that. That’s worth something.

    This election is not about ideological purity. It is about who will build a wall enforce our laws and deport illegals.

    The president doesn’t have anything to do with Kelo type tak8ngs so irrelevant. Emi ent domain was loved by founders which is why tgey put it in the constitution.

    Nobody cares. The people that are voting for Trump are perfectly aware of his other shortcomings and are 100% willing to accept them to STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.

    Whining about ‘Trump not conservative!’ is not going to sway ANYBODY currently interested in voting for Trump.

    People are pissed off. The establishment tried to cram Jeb! down our throats after years of Boehner and McConnell playing the surrender game in Congress.

    People are sick of some meaningless tag of ‘conservative’ if he isn’t going to do what he says he’s going to do.

    Trump says he’s going to stop illegal immigration, and people believe him. On the strength of that single belief he is very likely to get elected.

    Everything else about ‘conservatives’ is just noise.

    (BTW Cruz is my first choice for President, but I am 100% willing to accept Trump if he stops this illegal immigration bullshit once and for all).

      Ragspierre in reply to Olinser. | January 13, 2016 at 7:26 am

      “Nobody cares”

      Well, certainly a lot of people here don’t care about things they’ve been PRETENDING to care about, and don’t think, either.

IMO Trump is up there because he brought up immigration and actually sending people back and building a wall. None of the “we can’t do it” crap…. “I will do it”, is his stance.

No other candidate, including Cruz has made that part of his agenda.

Liz Mair is clearly part of the GOPe and completely out of touch with the conservative base.

    Henry Hawkins in reply to Roux. | January 12, 2016 at 5:49 pm

    Yeah, the problem is Trump’s plan sends them out to pick up a piece of paper with which they can come right back – as legals. He talks of a big wall with a big glorious door, but the door still swings both ways. a false characture of Trumps plan not Trumps plan. Cruz’s plan is to not send them out at all but tell everyone he is me too Teddy copying trumps plan.

        Henry Hawkins in reply to Gary Britt. | January 12, 2016 at 6:57 pm

        One can always tell when you’re spitting mad, what with the typos and misspellings in trying to get your replies up as fast as possible, as if speed lent verity. Try to slow down, review your posts, and check to see if they make sense. Otherwise, your errors slowly accrue to your chosen hero. You are a faithful, ardent Trump supporter, but you are one of his worst salesmen. Were Trump to read your posts, he’d say “you’re fired.”

          Big fingers small phone and no edit function on this blog equals typos from time to time. If this offends you I suggest you skip my posts. As for mad, I don’t get mad over this kind of thing. You must be thinking of someone else. I certainly agree I’m not a salesman. I’m not trying to be one. Perhaps you are just confused.

          Ragspierre in reply to Henry Hawkins. | January 12, 2016 at 10:25 pm

          No, you are a lying SOS bully cultist.

          The mating song of the whackerectus bird. Usually followed by some additional screaming while they poop themselves. Sadly this combination of behaviors has them on the endangered species list.

        JackRussellTerrierist in reply to Gary Britt. | January 13, 2016 at 3:32 am

        Trump doesn’t have a plan. What he has are a bunch of dumbassed supporters who believe his blowhard bullshit.

          Trumps immigration policies were taken from Senator Jeff sessions and are available v to read on his website. You will be really surprised after Trump is elected and he immediately starts doing exactly what he says he will do. Of course most of us won’t be surprised. It is why we support him.

          The mating call of the slaverous cultevus fanaticus. They fly by blind faith, and will believe anything, including well-worn urban myth!

          If T-rump is nominated, it’ll be fun watching Gari try to thought-police the mess.

          “Trump sucker needed on aisle 4…!”

Ann Coulter is worthy of great respect. The book on immigration is great, and here is a recent interview.

“The only people who take the stance that Trump is taking with regards to immigration, and who actually believe that what he’s proposing would be a good idea are hardened liberals who adhere to the same economic policy line of unions out of the 1970s,” said Mair.”

Liz, Sheldon Adelson, Mark Zuckerberg and Carlos Slim’s checks will soon be in the mail. Make sure and cash Carlos’ check quickly, I hear even the Mexicans are getting tired of his games though, as you’ve shown, there’s plenty in the establishment GOP who will abandon the well being of the nation when the price is right.