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Elizabeth Warren, nominee in waiting

Elizabeth Warren, nominee in waiting

Once Hillary falters, Democrats will demand Warren get in to save the party from unelectable Bernie Sanders

She said she’s not running.

Ready for Warren and have gone to spend the Weekend at Bernie Sanders, the stand-in for who progressives really want, Elizabeth Warren.

Bernie!? Really? Is an open Socialist really going to stand a chance in a general election?

And weakness in the Hillary campaign may be just what is needed for the Democratic Party to grovel for a Warren entry, writes Doug Shoen, The potentially mortal threat to Hillary’s candidacy:

Pundits have focused recently on Hillary Clinton’s narrowing lead in polls among a group of less well known Republicans, along with voters’ growing skepticism about her integrity. But a much more immediate threat to her electability is beginning to appear: in the last few weeks, Clinton has lost significant ground in both New Hampshire and Iowa to socialist Bernie Sanders….

But Sanders isn’t a viable national candidate, so who will Democrats turn to if Hillary continues to falter? Schoen sees the need for a new Bobby Kennedy.

Who’s the Bobby Kennedy in this race? Elizabeth Warren, say Schoen.

If Sanders can manage to raise $15 million online in small grassroots donations in just two months, as he has, imagine what Warren—whose stature is far higher—would be able to generate, merely by declaring an interest. So far, Warren has demurred. But in the same way that Obama said he wouldn’t run and Kennedy said he wouldn’t, circumstances and changing poll numbers affect political decisions, and could yet bring the Massachusetts senator into the race.

My polling firm has collected data showing that Warren is competitive in both Iowa, where Hillary sits at close to 50%, and in New Hampshire, where she’s clinging now to a single-digit lead. Don’t be surprised if, in both states, 2016 looks a lot like the late 1960s.

In short: Hillary Clinton’s candidacy faces a far greater threat—from within her own party—than the media and pundits have been yet willing to recognize.

Anna Marie Cox in The Daily Beast also has doubts about Bernie, writing Bernie is the Left’s Trump:

Bernie Sanders is the Left’s Donald Trump.

Bear with me here. There is a lot they don’t have in common, including where they stand in their respective party’s polls—though Sanders’ slow creep into a distant second is likely to be more sustainable. Still, they have both managed to disrupt their respective nomination races, and they’ve done that because they both have a similar appeal: They’ve tapped into anti-establishment passions with rhetoric that is a kind of wish-fulfillment fantasy for some voters. “He has the guts to say what others won’t” could be the slogan for either of them.

So Bernie can do damage to Hillary, but he can’t win a general election. Progressives and other Democrats know it.

Stuart Stevens, who headed up Romney’s campaign, sees an opportunity for Warren in such a scenario, This Is How Hillary Loses the Primary:

Here’s what we know has happened so far in the Democratic primary for president. Since Hillary Clinton started spending money, hiring staff and campaigning, she has lost votes. In Iowa and New Hampshire, she was doing better in the polls in January than she is today. Heck, she had more votes last month than she has today.

Politics is about trends and the one thing we know is that trends escalate in speed as elections near. Even starting out with the huge lead that she did, Clinton can’t allow Sanders to keep gaining votes while she loses votes in the hope that the bleeding won’t be fatal in the long run.

Again, there is only one person who can save the Democratic Party in such a scenario.

Hillary Clinton’s greatest strength—more than being a woman, more than being a Clinton—is the fact that polls show her consistently beating Republicans. Democrats see her as someone who can hold the White House. If she loses to Bernie in Iowa or New Hampshire, most likely the subsequent polls will show her losing to a handful of top Republicans.

And then what happens? Will the Democratic Party rally around her?

Perhaps. But more likely party voices, with great and solemn regret (masking their deep panic), will begin to say that Hillary had her chance, she fought a good fight, but we can’t lose the White House.

Who would get in? I still think Elizabeth Warren could be drawn in under this scenario.

I’ve been saying similar things to all of the above pundits for a year.

Liz Warren is ready for Liz Warren, she just needs to find the right opportunity and timing. Liz has impeccable timing, and she will not slug it out with the Billary machine until others have tenderized the opponent.

In the Massachusetts Senate run, Warren had to be cajoled and begged to get into the race. That is the scenario that causes her to get in this time — the people must demand it, and she must be the reluctant entrant.

And once Liz gets in, all bets are off for Hillary. All the people Hillary stepped on to get to the top will be meeting her on the way down, and helping her fail.

Hillary will sink faster than (please help me complete this sentence)…


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Princess Running Bare is everything that Hellary is…

unlikeable, unapproachable, untruthful, and inarticulate. In addition to being your average Collectivist hypocrite.

So, no.

    Not A Member of Any Organized Political in reply to Ragspierre. | July 13, 2015 at 4:00 pm


    Plus Lizzie Borden Warren is Hillary’s older, uglier, meaner, more corrupt sister of a Democrat slave-owning family!

    Snark Snark

    NC Mountain Girl in reply to Ragspierre. | July 13, 2015 at 4:01 pm

    One thing struck me about many of the stories from March onwards about candidates meeting people in the small forums all across Iowa. The reports kept noting that Sanders and O’Malley’s stump speeches were being compared by those in attendance to the person not in the race- Warren. That was very much like 1968. So, yes.

    Politics is a matter of perception. Warren is not generally perceived as any of the adjectives you linked together with the exception of untruthful in some circles where people are aware of the false claims of Cherokee ancestry. Next to Sanders and especiall to Hillary, who has been in the public eye for almost 25 years now, Warren appears as a fresh face.

    “Princess Running Bare…”
    Very punny. This calls for a song: Running Bare.

If Hillary falters and if Warren gets in, that does not mean Hillary gets out. This is her and Bill’s last hurrah for political power. They are not going to simply give up an opportunity that in their mind is already theirs.

    stevewhitemd in reply to natdj. | July 13, 2015 at 8:30 pm

    There is always Chelsea. She’s about as likable and adept at public speaking as her mother.

Not A Member of Any Organized Political | July 13, 2015 at 4:05 pm

Hillary will sink faster than … Lizzie Borden Warren, but Lizzie will sink almost as fast!

If the Democrat Party was still the Democratic Party, Former Senator Jim Webb would step in. But they aren’t, and they can’t and they won’t allow him in.

    Sammy Finkelman in reply to Whitewall. | July 13, 2015 at 8:01 pm

    Jim Webb already has.

    But he’s a fraud. We get frauds more than other things/

    The truth is, lots of people might enter when they see an unelectable Bernie Sanders defeating a sinking Hillary Clinton.

So Bernie can do damage to Hillary, but he can’t win a general election. Progressives and other Democrats know it.

This seems far too glib.

The common wisdom even among dedicated Democrats was that Bill Clinton was unelectable, due to his long baggage train as a serial abuser and rapist. Ditto for Obama, due to his citizenship problems and his obvious lack of any qualifying abilities (if we don’t count hubris). Nevertheless, both were elected. Twice.

Bernie has something neither Hillary! nor Fauxcahontas can touch. He’s genuine, a real-deal lifelong socialist, someone who really seems to believe in that crap. Hillary is a lying, scheming, and none-too-bright dirtbag. And Warren is a blatant fake, from her ancestry to her endangered-species Affirmative Action status to her shrill stage-managed “populism”.

Now, there’s no strong reason to believe that Dem voters are at all interested in authenticity. But if they are, Bernie could end up being a very strong contender.

In time, it will come. The Clinton/Warren ticket!

No, make that the Warren/Clinton ticket!

Wait, better make that….the Survivor of the DNC Live PPV Cage Match Throwdown of the Century to Choose the Next President of the United States – Warren vs. Clinton! Ladies…pull up your support hose and let’s get ready toooo ruuuummmmbbble!

Henry Hawkins | July 13, 2015 at 5:29 pm

The question is whom the liberal media will support if Warren enters the Dem primary race and Clinton stays in. Accordingly, Clinton and the putative candidate Warren would be campaigning not for the voters’ support, but for the support of the media. Once won over, the media will make sure to deliver the Democrat voters to the chosen one.

While some Dem voters may sit out the primaries or general, The Media definitely will not. They’ll pick a pickled princess to push, Clinton or Warren, one or the other. And before they do, they will revel in their power to make the two dance, make the two out-liberal each other to win the liberal media’s support.

Investment Tip: Popcorn futures

    If Elizabeth Warren wants to win media support away from Hillary, all she has to do is talk to them. They’ll be so overjoyed at not being treated like the enemy, they’ll fall all over themselves to help her.

      Henry Hawkins in reply to irv. | July 13, 2015 at 8:03 pm

      Sure, forcing Hillary to talk to the media more, and so on. Basically, it would be a MMA cage fight for a while. Butter and salt, please!

be care what u wish… Bernie Sanders was unelectable as Burlington Vermont Alderman, then unelectable 4 Mayor, Unelectable 4 Rep, Unelectable 4 Senate… however Bernie Sanders IS a pathological LIAR worse than Obama or Hillary… example? this week to the right of NRA but would take your guns away.

Hillary will sink faster than…a Greek’s balance in a Greek ATM.

Liz Warren would best serve her constituency if she became the undersecretary of the Dept. of Depends.

Sammy Finkelman | July 13, 2015 at 7:57 pm

I would suspect that Doug Schoen is really saying this thing because Elizabeth Warren would be a kind of fallback choice for the Clintons. They might exercise some influence through her.

But I think she never was anything and has, in any case, passed her sell-by date. Nobody much is interested in her, although maybe she might ahve appeared to be a “liberal” alternative for a while.

You’ve missed the mark on this one.

There is much antagonism against Warren in the Clinton Machine, not to mention her own problems. Even though the Democratic left is large and in charge in the party since Obama, the country isn’t quite Massachusetts yet.

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There is however a candidate ready to step in as Hillary crumbles. One who is acceptable to the far left Obama base but has also kept cordial relations with the Clintons for decades. One whose time has finally come, if as late in the day as an Amtrak Special.

Now is the time for America’s Crazy Uncle. Now is the time for Joe Biden.

Who says Bernie is unelectable? I see the same idiots who elected Obama – twice – getting on the Bernie bandwagon. It doesn’t really matter; there won’t be enough left of America to worry about after Obama gets finished.