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Zimmerman racial slur narrative falling apart

Zimmerman racial slur narrative falling apart

As with so much else in this case, the original media report of George Zimmerman using the pejorative “coons,” which has been accepted as true and then repeated endlessly by the left blogosphere and mainstream media, now is in doubt.

An enhanced analysis now appears to indicate Zimmerman said “cold.”

Some of the other narrative problems:

Since the beginning of this case I have urged caution not to jump to conclusions.  The questionable narratives suggest I was correct.

Update 4-6-2012:  CNN hired yet another expert who concluded that the word was “punks” not “coons” or “cold.”  That comports with Zimmerman’s lawyers claim that the word was “punks.”  Three experts, three versions, sounds like a case of reasonable doubt as to the word used.  See my updated post, CNN proves “beyond a reasonable doubt” why cases should not be tried in the media.


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Joan Of Argghh | April 5, 2012 at 12:14 pm

Too little, too late. Game’s already started and bids are all in. Just waiting for the trump card in the Racist deck. . .

DINORightMarie | April 5, 2012 at 12:14 pm

So…..they all apologize.

Does Zimmerman have grounds to sue all these outlets (ABC/NBC/CNN/NYT…..etc.)?

I sure hope so. The poor man is a walking target, whenever he thinks he’s safe to emerge from hiding, that is.

Criminal – and certainly this man deserves compensation by these media outlets for ruining his life. Doesn’t he?!

I hope he bankrupts them – the all deserve it, given the heinousness of their actions. Definitely – DEFINITELY – with malice.

Prof., your headline on this post could have read…

“Zimmerman narrative falling apart”

The WHOLE thing is breaking down like an Obama green energy investment.

The only thing remaining is the poison.

I’m not so sure Zimmerman is off the hook just yet.

Have they played the tape backwards?

Uncle Samuel | April 5, 2012 at 12:44 pm

From the Tip Line:

Ask yourself why would anyone want an arrest without a conviction?
“We are not asking that he be convicted; We are asking that he be arrested”
Why is that so important?

The answer can be found in the statutes of Florida law surrounding Justifiable Use Of Force (Statute 776) which outlines in Statute 776.032
Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force:
….Note that in section 2 of the immunity statute 776.032 a person is “immune” from criminal or CIVIL action if they are not arrested. The arrest itself can be interpreted as “Probable Cause” the force, or action taken, was unlawful.

Remember the key distinction between guilt or innocence in Criminal vs. Civil trials. In criminal trials the burden of proof is “beyond a reasonable doubt”. In civil trials the burden of proof is “with a preponderance of the existing evidence”; this is where probable cause comes into play. For the purpose of “monetary justice” it only takes an arrest; a subsequent conviction is not necessary.

Without an arrest there is no standing for a civil case awarding monetary damages to Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fuller against George Zimmerman, the HOA for The Retreat At Twin Lakes, and possibly the City of Sanford and all of their respective insurance companies.” (h/t tazz)

No wonder Crump the Martin’s attorney is trying so hard to shape and manipulate the evidence….like sharks, they smell big money somewhere.

    Ragspierre in reply to Uncle Samuel. | April 5, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    That would set up a civil defense I would use, attacking any arrest as having been invalid as being politically motivated, and denying the civil court jurisdiction.

    THAT would go to the Florida Supremes as a case of first instance, I bet.

    dmacleo in reply to Uncle Samuel. | April 5, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    kind of follows what I was thinking out loud about the other day here about suing city.

    Without an arrest there is no standing for a civil case awarding monetary damages to Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fuller against George Zimmerman, the HOA for The Retreat At Twin Lakes, and possibly the City of Sanford and all of their respective insurance companies.

Uncle Samuel | April 5, 2012 at 12:46 pm

PS – Has anyone else noticed how much Mohammed Merah, the Moroccan who gunned down the Rabbi and children in Toulouse, France looked like another of Obama’s fictional sons?

Was it cold that night? It always sounded to me, and pretty clearly, that he was saying, “Fucking punks.”

Things are not always as they appear, and almost never as reported by the media. I’m not even sure anymore they care about furthering an agenda. I think it’s purely for ratings – riots and unrest are good for ratings. Watching the television news is beyond surreal.

What I find…”fitting” is that they are looking deep in Zimmerman’s past to find any “evidence” of racism….

FBI questions people in Trayvon Martin case, begins ‘parallel investigation’


only to find evidence that he is not.

Zimmerman tutored black kids


Is Zimmerman racist for choosing to tutor black kids? – Yahoo! Answers



Midwest Rhino | April 5, 2012 at 1:47 pm

“They” picked the wrong “white guy”. A Spanish speaking Hispanic that has tutored blacks, has blacks in his family, and pursued justice for a black homeless man.

other parts of the narrative that are crumbling:

Zimmerman did not apparently pursue Martin after he told 911 “OK” to “we don’t need you to pursue”, as Martin ran away … several seconds later Zimmerman’s words are “he ran” (past tense, as if out of sight now, as Z’ claimed). Clearly Zimmerman wasn’t running, and clearly Martin didn’t just run home. It is becoming clearer that Martin laid in wait.

Zimmerman was not 250, he was 5’8″ and 170 … Barney Rubble, short guy size. Martin was not the little 12 year old pictured, he was toughened and 150 and 6’2″, gold teeth. His tweets show him to be a gang banger type, aggressive, confrontational.

Zimmerman WAS injured, DID have a broken nose. Witnesses saw Martin on top, saw Zimmerman screaming for help. Will we ever get the real story from Martin’s girlfriend? I think she is supposed to meet with authorities on the 10th.

Does the New Black Panther party still have a bounty out for Zimmerman, or have they been arrested and investigated? Is Holder going to get right on that? Or is he busy signing them up to oversee our fall elections?

    JackRussellTerrierist in reply to Midwest Rhino. | April 6, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    ““They” picked the wrong “white guy”. A Spanish speaking Hispanic that has tutored blacks, has blacks in his family, and pursued justice for a black homeless man.”

    Ya’ left out “Democrat” in your list.

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This narrative has wheels falling off it left, right & centre. I surely hope someone’s able to bring it to a gentle halt before it goes and catches fire.

Is there a Nobel Peace laureate in the house?

Joan Of Argghh | April 5, 2012 at 3:32 pm

Can’t Tom Hanks bring us all together? Where’s George Lopez? Soledad, hello?

    You mean George “la cabrona” Lopez? He’s probably wallowing in the mud with Jennifer “la cabrona” Lopez. Neither should be invited. As for the other two, they are also Asses (i.e. Democrats), and deserve equal treatment; especially Soledad, who reserves the special title of JournoList (aka “journalist without integrity”).

Don’t forget the Hallmark black ho controversy. People hear what they want to hear.

The Nobel Peace Laureate has already contributed his $.02. He also treated us all to his fantasy that Martin looked like the son he didn’t have. Something about those jug ears, maybe.

BannedbytheGuardian | April 5, 2012 at 9:34 pm

GZ did say COON COON COON said Toure (plus thingy )

Jheez cannot American blacks stick with their own made up lingo & not take over French -African ?

Have they sun out of SSSHHHHs & zzzzs.& now must put accentes & stuff into their names?

What next -katakana?

The only thing that matters to the MSM is how they can use this event to further the advance of their progressive friends.

To quote Pilate in this Easter season, “What is truth?”

The amount of time the MSM has spent investigating Zimmerman in the last month is several orders of magnitude greater than all the time spent on investigating Obama since 2003.

This is positively shameless! They haven’t bottomed out yet either.

In both tapes, it’s clear that the first sound is a hard “c” and the second is a long “o”.

    janitor in reply to janitor. | April 6, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    I am guessing from the “dislikes” it would appear that a few readers here do not know that the long-o sound, as in “cold”, is not the “oo” sound, as in “fool” or “coon”. Ay.

wvhillbilly | April 6, 2012 at 1:49 am

The one thing that seems to me that everyone is overlooking: If Zimmerman had stayed in his truck like the police told him to instead of getting out and tailing Martin, NONE of this would have happened.

And I suspect Zimmerman isn’t telling the whole truth either.

Zimmerman’s responsibility in this matter ended when he reported Martin’s presence to the police. From there on he should have let the police handle it instead of taking matters into his own hands. He has to bear at least some of the responsibility for Martin’s death, whether Martin attacked him or not.

    JackRussellTerrierist in reply to wvhillbilly. | April 6, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    The police told Zimmerman to stay in his truck? You are talking about the police DISPATCHER, not an officer, right?

    Can you tell me the mark on the tape where ANYBODY tells Zimmerman to STAY IN HIS TRUCK?

    Thank you.

“Any use of deadly force during a citizens arrest that does not comply with the applicable state law could result in manslaughter or murder charges against the arresting individual, as well as a wrongful death lawsuit from the family of the suspected criminal.”

Doesn’t matter what Zimmerman said. He lacked the requirement of Probable Cause and Reasonable Suspicion that he was observing a crime or knew that Martin had committed a crime. Sans the Hoodie, didn’t Bob Dylan have the same circumstance in Jersey a few years ago? Police arrived for his protection and safety, not pursued or shot to death. Zimmerman was an unidentified threat to the victim. He knew the victim was wary of him and pursued him with a loaded weapon after the victim fled. If your hunting a Bear and the Bear double backs on you and bites you in the ass and you kill it, you are still the initial predator.

Passing the pipe leads to furtive imaginations. Everyone has a right to a furtive imagination, even without the pipe, when it comes to suspicious persons or activities. They’re just not entitled to tase, pursue, brandish weapons,forcefully detain, arrest or kill someone based on their furtive imaginations. Criminal activity is in the books, suspicious activity is whatever comes out of your “pipe.” I can think of at least one well grounded citizens arrest that resulted in the suspect going to prison. School bus driver takes school bus with student into wooded unpaved area for sex. Citizen observes partially clothed student and driver in vehicle and wields firearm for arrest. Suspicious activity was the bus in an unusual place. Probable cause and reasonable suspicion was what appeared to be an adult and a student in a school bus having sex. Witnessing an actually crime rather than imagining what might be happening. Stopping the bus on the road by wielding the firearm because the citizen thought the use of the bus on that road was suspious would have been improper and the citizen most likely would have been cited, especially if the school bus driver and student were put in peril by the citizen. Zimmerman already proved himself a threat when he pursued Martin. Martin doesn’t know that the police told this threat to desist, or that Zimmerman was in compliance.

One thing for sure. If charged, Zimmerman’s lawyer will not be calling to the stand certain family and friends. Enhanced analysis vs. Zimmermans African American friend.
““Joe Oliver Says Zimmerman Called Trayvon Martin a Coon/Goon as a term of Endearment”

Last word for me. Zimmerman attempted an arrest when he pursued what he believed was a suspect. The attempted arrest resulted in the death of the suspect. He needs to prove that the arrest attempt was lawful. Martin only knew Zimmerman as an unknown assailant.

“Challenging An Unlawful Arrest
At all stages of the criminal process, including arrest, police officers must protect citizens’ constitutional rights, such as the right to remain silent and the right to be free from unreasonable searches. If these rights are violated, a court may deem the arrest unlawful and order the case against the arrestee dismissed, or certain evidence may be thrown out of the case. Click here to learn more about a defendant’s rights when dealing with police.
While a criminal suspect may question the lawfulness of an arrest when it is happening, including the basis for the arrest and the actions of the police officers, that battle is best fought in court rather than on the street.

I believe that Trayvon and Zimmerman are both guilty of racial & sexual profiling!

Trayvon, according to his girl friend, was clearly afraid of the white man following him in a truck. Unfortunately, Trayvon had NOT been informed by the news media or black leaders that whites are very seldom a threat to young black men, in fact 93% of the young black men murdered are murdered by young black men.

Zimmerman was concerned that that Trayvon was just one more young black man, in a never ending series of young black men, who committed crimes against the small community that Zimmerman had been helping to protect during the previous 11 years. There had been 9 houses robbed during the previous 15 months.

Unfortunately, Trayvon did not know that Zimmerman was helping to protect the home Trayvon was visiting and Zimmerman didn’t know that Trayvon was a guest at a home in the community. What could have been done to avoid this tragedy?

If there had been a glow in the dark bumper sticker on Zimmerman’s car that identified Zimmerman as a member of a volunteer security guard for the gated community, would that have helped? Would it have helped if Trayvon’s father had put a glow in the dark “guest” pass on Trayvon’s hoodie?

Perhaps what would have helped the most would have been the sort of conversation that might have occurred if Trayvon and Zimmerman had both been women. Just as most men won’t ask for directions, probably most men wouldn’t be able to talk as MS Trayvon and MS Zimmerman do in the following script, so I recommend that security guards and guests in gated communities have large identification cards or bumper stickers:

MS Zimmerman: (after watching MS Trayvon wandering thru the gated community, yells). “Hi, I’m a volunteer security person for this community, can I help you?”

MS Trayvon: “YES! I can’t find my Dad’s girl friends home! Do you know MS___________?”

MS Zimmerman: “I think so. Is she that tall, beautiful, black woman with shoulder length hair?”

MS Trayvon: “Yes, do you know which condo belongs to her?”
MS Zimmerman: “Yes, of course, this is a small community. Would you like me to drive you to her place or just drive slowly to her place and you follow me. I’m sure your parents have warned you about getting into cars with strangers. It isn’t very far and I’ll drive slowly.”

MS Trayvon: ” You are right. I’ll walk. Thank you so much!”
MS Zimmerman: “I’ll wait until you are safely inside. Blick the lights to signal that everything is OK!”

Perhaps neighborhood security people could practice such conversations. Although in the hills around Oakland, CA or many other places in the USA it might not be safe to have such a conversation unless you were in a locked car at a distance from someone walking thru the community.