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Rick Perry’s unannouncement announcement

Rick Perry’s unannouncement announcement

Rick Perry hasn’t formally announced that he is running for President, but this interview with Mark Halperin of Time (the guy who famously dropped the “D” bomb on Obama) makes pretty clear Perry is running and that rumors of a rift between Bush and Perry are overstated if not outright untrue (you will need FlashPlayer to view):


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DINORightMarie | August 11, 2011 at 11:21 am

Oh, yeah, he’s running. And so will Sarah Palin. They will be the top 2 frontrunners, I predict. Duking it out, verbally, hopefully not giving the MSM any more ammo for taking down either one (they will gin up their own memes without help, thank you very much).

I pray for our nation over that last part. As you’ve covered (and many others, too) the sycophant MSM is Obama’s most powerful weapon, along with his shield of invincibility.

Palin/Perry 2012 is my current prediction for the 2012 ticket. But…….who am I? Just a middle-class TEA Party supporting mom from Virginia. 😉

    Good comments but as also a Tea Party supporter (believe it or not, there are a lot of us here in Liberal New York State) my hope is for a Perry/Palin ticket. They are equally competent but he has a longer resume and she is younger than he so it would be great to have him serve two terms and then pass the baton to her 🙂

Is Perry the GOP’s last anti-Palin card? Unless Romney somehow rises to the top of a GOP base totally of out sync with him Perry is all they have. If Perry can’t stop her, the GOP establishment is done, out of cards, unless they want to throw her under the bus again. Unfortunately for Governor Perry Mama Grizzly came out of her den yesterday and will suck all the oxygen out of several day’s news cycles, probably at least until Barry’s bus trip is finished.

    retire05 in reply to Viator. | August 11, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    Nope. Rick Perry and Sarah Palin are very, VERY good friends, not on the opposite side of the issues. I think you will find they are soul mates of politics.

      Cowboy Curtis in reply to retire05. | August 11, 2011 at 1:33 pm

      As I understand it, Perry and Palin are allies and communicate often. I think the best evidence that Palin is not going to get into the race is that Perry is. There is only room for one of them in the primaries as they’d be after the same slice of primary voters (already being split with Bachmann, and to a lesser degree, Cain). That, and according to Brett Baier, as of yesterday, she has not given notice to FNC that she’s planning to run, which according to him, she’s obliged to do (whether contractually or by gentleman’s agreement he didn’t say).
      I have a hard time believing that Perry would get in if she was planning to as well, and I’m inclined to think, allied as they are, that certain assurances to that end weren’t given at some point in their consultations.
      If I had to take a guess, Perry is Palin’s candidate.

      Viator in reply to retire05. | August 11, 2011 at 1:40 pm

      You may think so, we’ll all watch the debates.

I know it’s unfair, but I’ve had enough of the Texas twang, and I think it will be used against him (maybe effectively, maybe not). Unfortunately, that voice reminds me of the ol’ go along, get along mentality of the Bush era that we’re trying to desperately to move our party away from.

    retire05 in reply to mikehinton. | August 11, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    Well, let’s just discount anyone from Massachussets because of the way they sound. What you said was bigoted in the truest form.

    And from where I sit, after the last two years, Bush is looking pretty damn good. Of course, there are those who still blame him for everything from the Dodd-Frank bill that will kill off all small banks to dandruff. But history reveals that all destructive polices have origninated with Democrats, going all the way back to the Crash of ’29.

      Wow. I said it was unfair. But, how is it bigoted to say someone’s accent reminds me of someone with the same accent? I think you read way too much into my comment.

        retire05 in reply to mikehinton. | August 11, 2011 at 12:55 pm

        Because in your mind, you have already disqualified capable people. Obama is from Illinois, and talks like one of boyz in the hood. Should we then discount anyone who ever runs for POTUS because of the way Obama speaks? Clinton was from Arkansas. Mike Huckabee has the same accent. Did you not like Huckabee because he sounded like Clinton?

        Regionalism is bigoted. It is that simple.

          Thanks for clearing up for me what’s going on in my mind and pointing it out in such an eloquent and intuitive fashion.

          Captain Obvious in reply to retire05. | August 11, 2011 at 3:21 pm

          “Democrats in Texas are more conservative than any East Coast Republican, or any Republican in California, for that matter.”

          “Regionalism is bigoted. It is that simple.”


I dislike the GOP establishment too. However Perry is growing on me in a big way. Till now he has been playing his presidential cards close to his vest while the others have been more circus like.

I like the very last line in the second video on fundraising. He smiles and says “I think I’ll be fairly competitive.” It was like Crocodile Dundee saying “above average” and putting a knife through the gangsta’s mohawk.

for veeps- I say West or Bolton… How’s that for a ticket of ass kickers?

Presidents hailing from Texas have been complete disasters. Not too keen on giving it another go.

Its time to begin circling the wagons around Romney because its either him or four more years of the ObAmA+ debacle.

    retire05 in reply to Jaydee77. | August 11, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    Romney? A man who ws governor for four years in a state with slightly over 6 million? How does that equal? So let’s look at the real differences:

    Massachussets debt per citizen: $14,950
    Texas debt per citizen: $8,392

    Massachussets Debt to GDP: 25.54%
    Texas Debt to GDP: 18.56%

    Romney care; he was for abortion before he was against it (shades of John Kerry). But you obviously want another RINO in office. Hell, if you are goint to have a tax and spend liberal, why not just keep the one we’ve got?

Captain Obvious | August 11, 2011 at 2:44 pm

Speaking of D-Bombs, Tancredo noted in Politico today that RINO Perry is a good solid D- on immigration.

    “Perry, in a speech in Mexico in 2007, said he supports completely open borders, calling for the “free flow of individuals between these two countries who want to work and want to be an asset to our country and to Mexico.”

    from the Pollutico piece

      retire05 in reply to Viator. | August 11, 2011 at 3:33 pm

      This has been the meme of the left and the Paulbots. Yet, I challenge you to name one other border state governor who has used as much state (not federal) resources to patrol their borders with Mexico. Even Jan Brewer, held up as the Patron Saint of Closed Borders, did not put her state National Guard on the border or send her crack state troopers to the border. And I don’t believe she has her state troopers flying over her border with Mexico. When you read about state troopers firing back at Mexican drug slugs that are firing on them from the Mexican side of the border, and killing those drug slugs, it will not be the troopers of Arizona, New Mexico or California. It was Texas Ranger Recon Squade members.

      It should also be noted that Politico has been running hit pieces on Perry for the last couple of weeks. Seems Politico is pandering to their left wing reader base.

        Viator in reply to retire05. | August 11, 2011 at 4:03 pm

        Pollutico can be relied on for hit pieces aimed at the right. However the article was written by Tom Tancredo, 2008 GOP Presidential candidate whose expertise is immigration policy.

        “Tom Tancredo served as a Republican congressman from Colorado 1999-2009, and was chairman of the bipartisan Immigration Reform Caucus. He now serves as chairman of Team America PAC and the Rocky Mountain Foundation.”

          Captain Obvious in reply to Viator. | August 11, 2011 at 4:07 pm

          So wait, I’m confused… Is Tancredo the left winger/Paulbot, or is it NumbersUSA that he quotes as assigning the D- grade who are the left wingers/Paulbots? Or both?

          retire05 in reply to Viator. | August 11, 2011 at 4:41 pm

          And Tancredo was run out of town (D.C.) wasn’t he? So now he is attacking other Republicans and he thinks that is going to up his street cred? I don’t think so.

          retire05 in reply to Viator. | August 11, 2011 at 4:43 pm

          How desparate for notice is Tancredo when he is writing for Politico? Perhaps that is the question you should be asking.

          Captain Obvious in reply to Viator. | August 11, 2011 at 4:49 pm

          Was he “run out of town” because he is a left winger or because he is a Paulbot?

          Or if neither of those, then why is “run out of town” for being more conservative than the resident RINOs somehow disqualifying?

          Which is it? Left Winger, Paulbot, or Too Principled? Or do you want to make up a fourth reason?

          retire05 in reply to Viator. | August 11, 2011 at 5:05 pm

          Captain Oblivious, I was a fan of Tancredo for a long time. I,as a Texan who has buried friends murdered by illegals from Mexico, understood what his intentions were. But you don’t win friends by beating them over the head, and Tancredo went over the edge.

          There is a way to take on illegal immigration and due to the power the libs have given to La Raza, LULAC and MALDF, it has to be done legally.

          Remember, Texas, as all border states, allowed illegals to cross our borders for years until it got out of hand. Back then, when border state citizens were complaining about it, we were just labeled “racists” and it was simply a fly-over country problem that NO ONE in D.C. care about.

          Now all of a sudden, when Catholic nuns are being murdered by drunken Mexicans in a north eastern state, it is an issue. Where the hell were you when Angel Resendez was riding the rails? And who caught him? It damn sure wasn’t the Feds.

          I appreciate Tancredo’s passion, but I don’t think he should be bashing other Republicans when the stakes are so high.

          Captain Obvious in reply to Viator. | August 11, 2011 at 5:25 pm

          Retard05, who can’t seem to grasp the point… either the content of his criticism is valid, or it is not. As funny as your predictable character assassination is against anyone that dare cast aspersion on the Immaculate Perry (Peace Be Upon Him) no-one is taking your word on immigration reform over Tancredo’s, or believing him to be a left winger/Paulbot.

          Now if you had started and stopped with “I appreciate Tancredo’s passion, but I don’t think he should be bashing other Republicans when the stakes are so high.” you might have earned some respect…. If we ignore the fact that you routinely bash Romney for the same he’s-not-conservative-enough reason Tancredo has criticized Perry (Peace Be Upon Him)

          retire05 in reply to Viator. | August 11, 2011 at 5:36 pm

          Captain Oblivious, if you think I am worried that you have no respect for me, you are sadly mistaken.

          Perry soft on immigration? What do you want him to do? Round them all up inspite of Obama sueing Arizona and Alabama who simply passed bills to help their situation? What other government has spent as much state resources guarding the border as Perry? NONE.

          Rick Perry has a habit of fiddling with his Texas A & M ring, even when you are having a person conversation with him. So what? Is that a sign of lax border support? Just how far do you want to take this absurdity?

          I bash Romney because he is another flip-flopper. I don’t want another flip-flopper in the Oval Office. I want someone who understands the Constitution, is willing to speak on it and stand by it. Perhaps I missed it, maybe you can tell me when Romney has talked, at length, on our Constitution and how it is being violated daily.

          Captain Obvious in reply to Viator. | August 11, 2011 at 5:56 pm

          Retard 05 year old, you’re a bully, but not a very bright one. So you disagree with Tancredo because you don’t like his tone when trying to convince others. Guess how good a job you’ve done at convincing others today that he’s a leftist or a Paulbot? I’m sure you’ll get around to the content of his criticism eventually. It’s amazing that mere mention of Romney sends you into a Pavlovian lather to attack… blinding you to the reason why his name was mentioned in the first place. I don’t even like him… was just hoping you’d notice the hypocrisy… not double down on it. Have some respect for yourself, and rather than trolling forums to swoop in and insult anyone who dares notice imperfection in Perry (Peace Be Upon Him), read the linked article like a big boy so the adults don’t have to explain it to you.

          retire05 in reply to Viator. | August 11, 2011 at 7:07 pm

          Captain, I am not trying to convince you of anything, and although you feel the need to insult my intellect, I will nnot reciprocate in like form, although your responses would lead to that legitimately.

          I am sure Mitt Romney is a very nice man. But he is not a true conservative, and his refusal to admit that Romneycare was a mistake (which it was and contributed to Massachusset’s high debt per citizen) and his flip-flop on abortion makes him unacceptable for me.

          I never said Tancredo was a Paulbot. Perhaps reading comprehension is not your forte. So why must you twist what I did say about the Paulbots? Is there a reason behind that? Pavlovian lather? Penchant for dramatics always been part of your identity?

          Do I like Rick Perry? Yes. Is that simple enough for you? I like the fact that he lowered ad valorum taxes for senions and eliminated ad valorum taxes for veterans who suffer military related 100% disabilities and reduced taxes for those who suffer 50, 70 and 90% disability. I like him for the fact when he seemed the Democrats in Austin were going to be able to shove a state income tax through, he managed to block it. I appreciate he tried to ban sanctuary cities in Texas, although our RINO speaker of the House killed it. I like it that he lobbied for, and got legislation that requires a sonigram prior to a woman killing her unborn child.

          So you can insult me, call me stupid and any other adjective that you want since I don’t support Mitt Romney, but the truth of the matter is, Frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damn.

          Captain Obvious in reply to Viator. | August 11, 2011 at 7:53 pm

          Retire05, I’m not trying to insult you but I WILL reciprocate in like form, as your responses (such as mocking nom de plume) would lead to that legitimately.

          I completely agree with you about Romney. But I do not assume anyone who supports Romney does so in bad faith (a leftist out to sabotage the primary!) that requires questioning their motivation when it is far simpler to address their values directly.

          I am sure Perry is a very nice man. While he is more conservative than some, his flip-flop on immigration makes him unacceptable for me. That others get an F doesn’t make his D- something to crow about in my opinion, but I understand YMMV.

          I never said you weren’t entitled to your opinion about Perry. But it’s not the first time you’ve dismissed the criticisms of Perry as a meme from only leftists and Paulbots. Maybe you didn’t mean it. Perhaps writing comprehensibly is not your forte. So why must you twist what you did say about the messenger rather than read the message? Run out of town? Beating them over the head? Penchant for dramatics always been part of your identity?

          Do I like Rick Perry? Yes. Is that simple enough for you? But I don’t like his inconsistent stances on immigration. And how is that ever going to improve if we don’t embrace discussing it in good faith? So that enough people are aware of his shortcoming and make their grievances known, that he might choose to redress them? Because only AFTER that occurs would I, and many others evidenced by this thread, consider voting for him.

          So you can insult me, call me oblivious and any other adjective that you want since I don’t support Rick Perry YET, but the truth of the matter is, Frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damn.

          retire05 in reply to Viator. | August 11, 2011 at 8:04 pm

          Captain, if I though typing slowly would do the trick, I would do that. But let me see if I can explain my comment: [the comments of Tancredo] has [also] been the meme of the left and the Paulbots.

          Now, does that explain it to you and the rest who assumed, wrongly, that I was indicating I thought Tom Tancredo was a Paulbot or on the left? Somehow, I thought I was addressing those who had the grey matter to understand what I was saying. Obviously not.

          beloved2 explained exactly how Perry is NOT soft on illegal immigration. Again, that is a meme used by the left and Paulbots. Understand?

          Now, perhaps you could explain what else you would have Perry do when the Federal government closely holds its jurisdiction over illegals like the Hope diamond. He, not the Feds, sent our TxNG to the border. He, not the Feds, place our crack Texas Rangers on the border. When Humberto Leal was scheduled to be put to death for the brutal killing of a young [Hispanic] girl in Texas, Perry refused to take the call from the Mexican counselor. What else is it you expect of him?

          Captain Obvious in reply to Viator. | August 12, 2011 at 1:22 am

          Retire, maybe typing slower would help someone with your mental accuity. Or maybe that kind of passive aggressive baiting crap is exactly what painted you into that corner in the first place. Don’t worry though, I’ll continue to communicate in the manner you seem to prefer.

          Wrap your head around your own illogic:
          “[the comments of retire05] has [also] been the comments of the stupid people. Now, does that explain it to you and the rest who assumed, wrongly, that I was indicating I thought retire05 was stupid? Somehow, I thought I was addressing those who had the grey matter to understand what I was saying. Obviously not.”

          So did I call you stupid or not? And if I technically did not call you stupid, did I have a point? Was it to imply you are similar to stupid people? If I later say I don’t think you’re comparable to stupid people, then what was the point of the comparison? Since you can’t possibly divine and understand the point with the conditions given, does that mean you’re stupid?

          That does not “explain” your Leftist/Paulbot comments, that merely “repeats” your comments. The assumption from the audience is that you had a point in mentioning it. From context, we can only infer that you mention the left to impugn the content of the criticism by association. But since we allegedly have 4 sources (left/Paulbots and Tancredo/NumbersUSA) making the same claim, either the sources are equivalently accurate or your supposition of correlation between source and merit is flawed.

          If Tancredo notes the sky is blue, should we doubt him only because the left notes the same thing? Or should we evaluate Tancredo’s statement of blueness on its own, the left’s agreement or not be damned? You either were wrong to conflate the sources, were wrong to imply the source mattered, or were randomly spouting off something that didn’t matter. Pick one and stick with it.

          It is quite clear you intended to impugn Perry criticism as leftist before you unfortunately discovered at least 2 sources of the criticism were unquestionably conservative on the subject at hand. That’s insulting to those of us who actually debate in good faith. You made a poor assumption, and semantic games to weasel out of it just further insult everyone’s intelligence. That is of course, when you’re not explicitly doing so. Are you really going to double down on the everyone-else-must-be-illiterate-or-stupid defense?

          beloved02 made a perfectly reasonable opinion post with which I have no problem, but it does not “explain exactly” any kind of refutation to points in the op-ed as you seem to think. Re-read his post again, because not only might you notice this, he also managed to note that leftists misrepresent conservatives without turning it into a blanket insult of conservatives.

          It would help if you actually read the things you refer to before going off half-cocked. If you had read the op-ed, you wouldn’t ask redundant questions like “what could he do differently?” as the op-ed is pretty much a list of examples. If you’re unconvinced, then maybe you can convince us why he COULDN’T do things differently.

As I have said before, Perry is a RINO. He does not have conservative credentials that would inspire many of us. He seems to like to pass laws that get in our lives and I really doubt he would shake up things in DC.

Captain Obvious | August 11, 2011 at 3:53 pm

Right… so is Tom Tancredo a left winger or a Paulbot? This should be good, I’ll get my popcorn.

And everyone has failed to provide the immigration enforcement we demand, so we should just shut up and stop being critical of that failure? That’s just brilliant.

“When he first took office as governor in 2001, Perry went to Mexico and bragged about his law that granted “the children of undocumented workers” special in-state tuition at Texas colleges, the first state in the nation to do so.

“The message is simple,” Perry concluded, “educacion es el futuro, y si se puede.” Education is the future, and (echoing Cesar Chavez’s slogan) yes we can.]”

    retire05 in reply to Viator. | August 11, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    I am sure that you are also well informed with Texas vs. Certain Named and Unnamed Alien Children, right? And you are expertly versed on what is required of those kids that enter Texas state universities that are the children of illegals, right?

    So give all of us the benefit of your vast amount of knowledge on that issue.

I’d say the Tancredo piece is a devastating hit on Perry. I wasn’t going to mention it but since we are getting into it, did you notice Perry’s hands during the interview? Watch it again. Not good body language. All of it not helped one bit by the very odd and unflattering camera angle Time chose, probably with malice. I thought there was a distinct lack of fire in that belly.

    retire05 in reply to Viator. | August 11, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    So now you’re an expert on body language? Perhaps you can go on O’Reilly’s show. He likes body language experts.

      Captain Obvious in reply to retire05. | August 11, 2011 at 4:58 pm

      So now you’re an expert on O’Reilly? Perhaps you can go on Olbermann’s show. He likes O’Reilly experts.

        I’m not the one talking about body language and making comments about it. You are. But I guess you didn’t know that O’Reilly has Tonya Ryman on his show frequently. Chaulk it up to another thing you are poorly informed on.

        And hell, why would I want to go on O’Reilly? I don’t even like the guy.

          Captain Obvious in reply to retire05. | August 11, 2011 at 5:13 pm

          The point, because you are too thick to grasp it, is that such comments are completely worthless to the discussion. He is either right about the body language, or he is not. Making derisive snark about questioning peoples’ qualifications to comment, as you often do, does nothing but demonstrate your own conceit.

Hell, I would like to say Rick Perry he’s my man, he’s going to fix things. I thought that Time interview was weak, partly because Time and Mark Halperin, JourNoLister, wanted it that way. Rick has to learn not to play their game or they’ll get him. I have seen Perry when he was in much, much better form. I wish I thought he wasn’t someone who wouldn’t do much more than rearrange the deckchairs on the on the Titanic.

Illegal immigration is such an important topic. Read Victor Davis Hanson on California. It is killing them. Then we have native born American’s without work because illegals will do the work cheaper by the day and off the books. The Democrat Party wants to keep them coming since that is the only reliable source of new Democrat voters. Powerful sectors of our ruling class want to keep them coming also, be they Republican or Democrats. It needs to fixed now by someone with balls even if they are metaphorical.

There is profound corruption at the heart of our republic. We have little time remaining to change things. Another go along, get along Republican will kill us. Another round of K Street Projects, indicted GOP pols, and a failed administration with the only remaining option to hand things back to the leftists will kill us. More decline of the private sector to feed the public sector will kill us.

I don’t even know if we can salvage our Republic and by implication our good influence in this world. The people around the world are frightened by our weakness and self loathing.

We have the tools for rebirth, for renaissance. We are a great people, despite what some say, the Hobbits among the greatest. We have natural resources, human resources, a yearning for a new and better path, the strength to confront evil, long traditions. We can do it but the time is short, the choices few and the opposition adamant, cunning, desperate and without compunction.

    Captain Obvious in reply to Viator. | August 11, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    Agreed. I think Perry has many great qualities, but immigration is a deal breaker for many. As Mark Steyn is known to quip, culture trumps economics. See London for an object lesson. There’s a reason the national motto is e pluribus unum… and not multi-culti-turn-the-country-into-the-craphole-you-ran-away-from-by-valuing-failed-culture-over-assimilation. It’s too hard to fit the latter on the coins…

This interview was not Governor Perry’s best, the lighting was terrible but the man’s genuineness and sincerity still came through. His actions on illegal immigration have been misreported and even misinterpreted by the lamestream whose ulterior motive is to destroy any Republican that challenges the Democrat incumbent. This will be the nastiest campaign ever since Obama’s achievements are non-existent and the only thing the Alinskyites can do is ridicule and misinform and lie about the Republican candidate.
Talking the Hawk: Regarding Rick Perry’s Foreign Policy

By Reid Smith on 8.11.11 @ 1:17PM
“…Now, Foreign Policy is reporting that former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld has introduced Perry to a cabal of would-be national security strategists including former Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Doug Feith, former NSC expert William Luti, former Assistant U.S. Attorney and National Review columnist Andrew McCarthy, the Heritage Foundation’s Asia expert Peter Brookes, and former U.S. Ambassador to Afghanistan Zalmay Khalizad. Rumsfeld’s office confirmed the group gathered last week in Austin to provide Perry with his first national security briefing as a potential presidential candidate.
As governor, Perry has suggested the deployment of American troops to Mexico to control drug violence and proceeded with the execution of a Mexican citizen, despite impassioned requests from their government, President Obama, the International Court of Justice and former President George W. Bush to stay the sentence.

Understood in context of the hard-line stance he’s taken on matters south of the Rio Grande, his national security team suggests Perry’s shaping up as the traditional defense hawk many conservative have been clamoring for in an age of Obama….”

Governor Palin supported Perry as a real conservative in his last gubernatorial election. She is a “kingmaker”.I think she will support his presidential campaign as well but I don’t think it will be Perry/Palin in 2012. He needs someone like Allen West to defeat obama on the race card the professor has documented so thoroughly.

You can see why it is so difficult to get conservatives to vote Republican. Perry and Bush BOTH fought for the Texas DREAM Act. Perry signed it TEN YEARS before Jerry Browns signed the CA version a couple of years ago (Thank you Romney for stuffing your idiot crony Meg “I believe in Van Jones” Whitman down our throats. Only a RINO could find someone even worse than Brown to run as a Republican.

That Texans are the most conservative voters in America is a myth that needs to be busted. It wasn’t until a couple of weeks ago that a Democratic governor finally signed the CA DREAM Act, TEN YEARS after Texas. There are more REAL conservatives in CA than anywhere else but the national Republican establishment

BannedbytheGuardian | August 12, 2011 at 2:29 am

Has anyone told The Dixie chicks?

I’ll stand by my first post in this thread. Perry is the last anti-Palin, recruited by powerful forces in the GOP establishment to stop her. Palin, Perry and Romney will fight it out. RINO Romney at cross purposes with his base but with big money and solid establishment support, Perry the anti-Palin, ostensibly conservative with big money and sold establishment support and Rocky Palin with neither big money nor establishment support (but more than is visible right at this moment) but with a much underestimated regard among voters of many stripes. It will be an enormous donnybrook with the left and their minions the MSM getting in opportunistic kicks whenever they see a chance.

Perry has been hit very hard from the right by both Tom Tancredo and the Huckster in just the last 24 hours.