D.C. Police — NBC requested and was denied permission to use high capacity magazine in news segment
As noted in an earlier post, an email has surfaced purporting to be from the D.C. Metropolitan Police Department stating that NBC requested permission to use a high capacity ammunication magazine and that the request was denied.
The email first appeared on the AR15 gun forum, and then at the The Patriot Perspective blog which first broke the Gregory story.
Here is the email, with the addressee’s identity removed:
“From: “DC Police (imailagent)” <customerservice.mpd2@dc.gov>
Subject: Email from DC Police (Intranet Quorum IMA00519327)
Date: December 24, 2012 4:13:12 PM EST
To: –The Metropolitan Police Department is in receipt of your e-mail regarding David Gregory segment on “Meet the Press.” MPD has received numerous e-mails informing us of the segment. NBC contacted MPD inquiring if they could utilize a high capacity magazine for their segment. NBC was informed that possession of a high capacity magazines is not permissible and their request was denied. This matter is currently being investigated. Thank you for taking the time to bring this matter to our attention.
Customer Service – Metropolitan Police Department”
Fearing the email was a hoax, I was cautious about running the text of the email. But as earlier reported, a confidential source who works for D.C. government verified that the email was in a format used by the MPD:
“… the Metropolitan Police Department email reply you received is genuine. DC Government uses “Intranet Quorum” software designed by Lockheed to manage general inquires. The email address and the subject line of the email you received are consistent with that software.”
Now I have received confirmation that the e-mail is authentic.
(added) For much of the day yesterday and last night I sought confirmation from the D.C. Police. After numerous emails exchanged last night and conversations this morning, I finally was able to receive the authentication needed, as well as confirmation of the request by NBC and denial by the MPD.
I forwarded the text of the email, exactly as it appears above, to Gwendolyn Crump, Director, Office of Communications for the MPD, with the following question:
Can you confirm that is a real email sent from your system. I am informed that the email format is consistent with the Intranet Quorum format you use. Putting aside the substance of the investigation, I just want confirmation that it is a genuine email sent from your system.
I would appreciate your response on that specific question. Thank you.
Ms. Crump responded:
“Yes. I can confirm that what you sent appears to be the IQ system message.”
I further followed up to make sure that the email was an actual email sent by MPD, not just that it “appeared” to be one, and Ms. Crump confirmed:
“Yes, that email was sent from MPD.“
Officer Aziz Alali of the MPD Public Information Office further confirmed the authenticity of the e-mail, and gave me this statement by telephone:
“NBC contacted the Metropolitan Police Department inquiring if they could utilize a high capacity magazine for this segment. NBC was informed that that possession of a high capacity magazine is not permissible and the request was denied. This matter is currently being investigated and I cannot get into any further specifics on this investigation.”
NBC News has not responded to multiple inquiries as to the request and denial, or whether the magazine was real or just a prop. During the segment in question, Gregory stated “here is a magazine for ammunition that carries 30 bullets.”
If it turns out the magazine was in violation of D.C. law, the fact that NBC News was warned by the D.C. Police not to use the magazine puts a whole new light on the incident, turning it into an intentional violation of the law. While the law does not require intent, the existence of intent could influence a decision whether or not to prosecute.
Update: Thanks to all the blogs and websites who linked here and properly credited us with getting the D.C. Police to confirm this story, including but not limited to, Instapundit, Huffington Post (!), Hot Air, The Daily Caller, Breitbart.com, and more … Newsbusters.
As to this, well, at least there’s some emotional satisfaction:










Comments
ignorantia legis neminem excusat davey. Your attorney wife should have reminded you..
mr.& mrs. davey
Apparently David Gregory is a more equal pig than I am. I can guarantee you that if I were to hold up a high capacity magazine on TV in DC that I would be in jail right now, pending investigation, regardless of my intentions. And Kurtz would be screaming that I deserved jail time.
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At this point none of this makes any difference. What is important is that somewhere in D.C. there is a high capacity magazine on the loose.
At any time this magazine might decide to attack innocent people. The police need to assemble their Special Handling Interdiction Team (SHIT) and have them fan out and find this magazine before it can cause any more destruction.
It has already caused David Gregory to commit a felony, just like guns everywhere cause otherwise mild mannered peaceful citizens to attack and kill.
Magazines, especially high capacity magazines, are inherently dangerous and must not be allowed to roam free and endanger people.
Just a suggestion, but I would go after Howard Kurtz for poo-pooing this, just as much as I’d go after NBC and Gregory.
Howard Kurtz:
“I seriously doubt that he’s going to jail. But the D.C. Police Department apparently has nothing better to do than examine whether he violated the city’s gun laws …
… But a police probe over what I assume was an empty ammo clip is a total waste of time. What it demonstrates above all is that journalists are getting ensnared in the political war over gun control.”
—Mr. Kurtz, Let me speak for Professor Jacobson and say he appreciates your concern, but he doesn’t feel “ensnared” at all. In fact, he’s intentionally looking into NBC intentionally flaunting the law.
And let me speak again for Professor Jacobson by saying he is absolutely fine and okay … and he thinks you would be better off concerning yourself with hacks being ensnared.
LukeHandCool (who is only speaking of speaking for the Professor and who doesn’t want his Lukefoolery to end up ensnaring the Professor in anything due to no fault of his own … especially if it ended up ensnaring him in the unbearable company of a bunch of hacks)
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“ the fact that NBC News was warned by the D.C. Police not to use the magazine puts a whole new light on the incident, turning it into an intentional violation of the law.”
Since they sought some exemption, they knew it was illegal. Being denied and warned, they flaunted the law publicly, for money (ratings).
I’d think the D.C. Police would be “offended” that Gregory essentially publicly flipped them off, and rejected their authority.
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Okay, I just went to yahoo.com to check my email, and this is the number one news story greeting all those with a yahoo email account right now.
It was posted 2 hours and 55 minutes ago.
Ummm … shouldn’t Professor Jacobson be cited in this piece. I mean, come on!
http://news.yahoo.com/dc-cops-investigating-whether-nbcs-gregory-violated-gun-170426968–abc-news-politics.html
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TMZ is now reporting that David Gregory got permission via ATF. Any info on that?
http://www.tmz.com/2012/12/26/meet-the-press-david-gregory-dc-police-atf-gun-magazine/
Sounds like a smokescreen.
MPD is on record that NBC contacted MPD for permission and MPD denied them permission. We have confirmed MPD emails to that effect.
Instead TMZ – a day later- gets an anonymous report that some unknown person at NBC called an unknown person at ATF, and that person called somebody unknown at MPD, and MPD supposedly told ATF that NBC could go ahead.
You can’t really track that down; you’re not supposed to be able to. It’s out there so if you’re inclined, you can bleat “ATF was told OK” over and over and over.
Just suppose it’s true; so what? Getting wrong advice from the police, let alone via a third party, doesn’t get you off from a strict-liability crime, any more than getting wrong advice from the IRS doesn’t get you off your tax liability when you follow it to the letter and then get told they were wrong.
Here’s a bit of legal legal-insurrection you can perform.
At the Yahoo News story I linked, there are already over 10,000 comments.
You can reply to comments.
I just replied to 10 commenters who are outraged about NBC’s knowingly unlawful action. In my replies to their comments, I put in a plug for LI. It goes something like this:
“The liberal media thinks it’s above the law and that laws are only for the little people. Cornell Law Professor William Jacobson has been going after Gregory and NBC since yesterday at his blog Legalinsurrection. Check it out.”
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This might get some play among the main stream media because I am sure that somewhere along the way David Gregory has stepped on some toes. He is too much of a self serving asshole not to have a few enemies among those with sore toes.
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All Gregory had to do was remove the spring and follower from the magazine. Then it wouldn’t have been a magazine, just a shell from one.
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