Karmelo Anthony Found Guilty; Supporter Claims, ‘This Whole Thing’s Been Racist!’ Update: 35 Years
“The argument escalated further when Anthony said to Metcalf “touch me and see what happens,” while keeping his hand hidden in his backpack, implying that he had a weapon.”
A Collin County, Texas, jury found Karmelo Anthony guilty of murder on Tuesday for the fatal stabbing of 17-year-old Austin Metcalf during a high school track meet in Frisco in April 2025. The jury rejected Anthony’s claim that he acted in self-defense.
The jury returned the verdict after roughly three hours of deliberation. Reports indicate the jurors did not opt for a lesser manslaughter conviction.
The New York Post provided a brief recap of the events that led to Metcalf’s death:
The violent confrontation erupted in the bleachers of Kuykendall Stadium when Anthony refused to leave the tent reserved for the Memorial High School track team during a rain delay.
Anthony was repeatedly asked to leave the tent multiple times, and Metcalf began to argue with him.
The argument escalated further when Anthony said to Metcalf “touch me and see what happens,” while keeping his hand hidden in his backpack, implying that he had a weapon, according to FOX4.
Metcalf pushed him and Anthony fatally stabbed him in the chest with a knife.
Witnesses for the state testified that Anthony acted as the aggressor.
Anthony was caught on video stating, “I’m not alleged, I did it.”
“He put his hands on me.”
According to Fox News 4, prosecutors argued that Anthony stabbed Metcalf during a dispute under a team tent at the track meet and that the killing was an unjustified attack. The defense contended that Anthony feared for his safety and acted in self-defense after a physical confrontation.
Anthony, now 19, was tried as an adult. He faces a punishment range of 5 to 99 years, or life in prison, under Texas law. Because he was a juvenile at the time of the offense, neither the death penalty nor life without parole apply.
Sentencing is currently underway in the case. The Post reported that once the verdict had been read, the trial moved directly into the punishment phase, where jurors heard testimony from Anthony’s mother and other witnesses before deciding the sentence.
Karmelo Anthony’s sobbing mother, Kala Hayes, begged a Texas jury for mercy Tuesday just moments after her 19-year-old son was convicted of murdering fellow teen Austin Metcalf.
“Please have mercy on my son,” Hayes said during the highly emotional sentencing phase.
“He’s my oldest,” Hayes testified, according to NBC DFW. “He’ll always be my baby. I love him very much.”
“I know my son, and he’s very sorry for what he did,” she continued.
The jury will decide Anthony’s sentencing.
BREAKING: Karmelo Anthony is found guilty of murder in the stabbing death of a fellow high school student at a Texas track meet. https://t.co/zenolGvpQH
— NBC News (@NBCNews) June 9, 2026
The case quickly drew national attention because of the circumstances surrounding the stabbing, Anthony’s claim of self-defense, the family’s fundraisers on GiveSendGo, and especially the racial dynamics involved. Anthony is black; Metcalf was white.
After the verdict was announced, protests erupted outside the courthouse. Angry supporters of Anthony chanted, “Free Karmelo!” while one demonstrator shouted, “This whole thing’s been racist!”
Much of the protesters’ frustration centered on the fact that no black jurors were seated on the panel. During jury selection, prosecutors used peremptory strikes to remove the remaining black prospective jurors. Anthony’s attorneys objected, filing a Batson challenge and arguing that the strikes were racially motivated.
Prosecutors countered that the jurors were excluded for race-neutral reasons, specifically because they were educators. Judge John Roach accepted that explanation and denied the defense’s challenge, clearing the way for the jury that ultimately heard the case.
I will update this post once the sentence has been handed down.
Update added: June 9, 9:25 p.m.
From Fox News:
A Collin County jury has sentenced Karmelo Anthony to 35 years in prison after he was found guilty of murder in the fatal stabbing of 17-year-old Memorial High School student Austin Metcalf during a high school track meet in Frisco, Texas.
Anthony faced up to life in prison after being convicted of murder. He will be eligible for parole after serving half that time.
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he’ll get the appeal b/c no blk on jury b/c they answered they didnt think they could put a bro in prison etc etc
if he gets that retrial with blks on jury the guilt cant chnage but his sentencing will
No jury on the appeal trial.
Huh?! What are you talking about? In the unlikely event that he gets a retrial, there will certainly be a jury!
(There’s no such thing as an “appeal trial”. There’s an appeal, and then possibly a retrial.)
No, he won’t. What makes you think a Texas appeals court will buy that argument?
Black.
Agree it may not fly in Texas. California? Slam dunk.
I’ll say this
if he doesnt get the appeal immediately
they are just waiting for the pr to die down and then he will
lefty is a tricky sob
Got news, experts have already weighed In on this, and he stands ZERO chance on any appeal. This kid should have got a lot more then 35 years to start with, and in truth, just because he is going to be up for parole in 17 years, that does not mean that he will automatically get paroled.
In a perfect world, one would expect the race of the jurors not to matter in objectively weighing the details of a case.
We are so far from a perfect world that we don’t even have an objective world.
It is fascinating to find out what a “jury of your peers” consists of, in some cases.
Last jury duty 3 of 12 interviewed had committed some crime, been arrested by police, and successfully matriculated through the legal system – they all performed, either sentence, community service, etc, While one might figure they would be more lenient, they were more like those that came to this country and became legal citizens through process, not birth of some other bs, and they viewed illegal activity with scorn. As it should be.
You make a very good and salient point. I was merely commenting on the fact that many in this country still believe a person of their race can’t get a fair trial unless their race is the only group to serve on the jury. It’s archaic tribalism.
The loss of objectivity stems from anyone who tried to argue early on that this was self-defense and used the racial lens to inform their opinion of right and wrong.
A thorough job by the DNC race baiters and their media butt kissers.
You state the obvious.
The Constitution does not mention a “jury of one’s peers,” which suggests a jury should be made up of individuals similar to the defendant in age, status, standing or other reasonably equal circumstances. In fact, there are two requirements: an impartial jury pool (note pool, not jury) must be drawn from a representative cross-section of the community (6th), and there cannot be any intentional or systematic discrimination in jury selection (14th).
Jury of one’s peers is not a legal requirement. The phrase comes from old English law, specifically the Magna Carta, which required that nobles (peers) be judged by nobles, and idea rejected by the framers.
You do have to wonder how the prosecution could remove black jurors from selection and the trial be regarded as trial by jury of one’s peers.
Apparently only whites in Texas have the right to employ jury nullification.
At least California extended that right to black folks.
Why do we have to wonder? No juror was removed because of their race. Every juror who was removed was either removed for actual cause, or under the prosecution’s decision to use its peremptory challenges to try to remove all teachers regardless of race.
Nullification means to acquit despite the law, not to convict despite the law.
At least in this case it didn’t matter. No juror was excluded because of race. It just so happened that most of the black jurors in the pool were properly removed for actual objective cause, which of course also happened to many white jurors, or were peremptorily challenged for their occupation, not for their race. White teachers would have been equally challenged.
I hope the judge honors his color by placing the black cap upon his head when sentencing.
He’ll probably get a new trial. His attorney claimed in his closing statement that Metcalf committed suicide by throwing his chest onto the knife, That’s stupid and probably will result in a malpractice suit against him. They could lead to a retrial of the case or at least grounds for an appeal. I’m no lawyer so I don’t know exactly what the various scenarios are,
As for his mother they should tell her that he will receive as much mercy as he granted Metcalf. None. They really should execute him.
I hope the usual suspects riot and get completely curb stomped. I’m so sick of their BS.
They can’t because in 2005 the Supreme Court ruled that capital punishment for a crime committed while a minor would violate the eighth amendment, because a “national consensus” had supposedly arisen in the previous few years against such sentences.
This was a doctrine that operated as a one-way ratchet. Once that ruling was made, that supposed “consensus” was automatically imposed on those states that hadn’t joined it, and thus it became impossible for such a sentence to be imposed anywhere in the USA. Even if public sentiment shifts back, no state court can put a sentence to the jury without disclosing that under current law it would be unconstitutional so they can’t impose it! Therefore there can’t ever be an appeal of the ruling, because the only way an appeal could arise would be if someone was sentenced to death and appealed it, and that can’t happen any more. The majority who came up with that doctrine are now gone, but I don’t see how their work can ever be undone.
Interesting and absurd. Imaging what the laws would be like if national consensus from the revolutionary war days was utilized.
When black jurors don’t want to put a brother in prison… period…. it’s racist. I just love the argument that blacks can’t be racist because it requires being in power to be racist. The second Anthony drove the knife through the sternum and into the heart … he had plenty of power. 35 years in The Big House. Whose the “big man” now Karmelo? Want to find out what “tough” looks like? You are in for the education of your life….. at least you have one. It’s all tragic…. the end result of nurturing a chip on the shoulder that left one person who had a future… dead… and the other alive without a future. All lives matter Karmelo…. yours…not so much.
I wonder how the skin heads in the prison are going take it when they have a tough guy like Caramel, who killed a white student, amongst them.
Caramel is going to have to watch his back every day.
He’s going from NWA to DOA.
Prisons segregate prisoners from rival gangs. He’ll obviously have to be put in a unit that has no members of the Aryan gang.
“This whole thing’s been racist!”
He’s correct.
But not for the reasons he thinks.
Blacks have been using the color of their skin to rationalize all manner of anti-social behavior.
And now it’s coming back to bite them in the 🫏
Black Lives Matter to everyone except blacks, who apparently don’t give a 💩 about anything other than what’s right in front of them.
He was sentenced to 35 years. He can get out in half that time. Too lenient.
Yep…. that will put him on the backside of the “Peak Black” insolent mentality. It should have been more severe…. but at least he is a felon and murderer when he gets out….. just hope he doesn’t end up in Minneapolis as a cop…. or politician.
He CAN but he won’t, in Texas its basically unheard of for murderers to get out on first parole.
And he’ll only be eligible if he has a clean record.
No way this low impulse control thug makes it 17 years with a clean record.
Even if he serves the whole thing, take heart. He’ll be out at 53, and will still have at least a decade, if not more, of killing years ahead of him.
Yeah, but he’ll be slower. And he won’t be attacking unarmed children anymore.
I look forward to somebody ‘putting his hands on’ the little thug in the shower and showing him who the real hard thugs are.
He acted out in videos as a member of some black gang. This is a no-no. You don’t do this. That gang is not at all happy with him and he has a price on his head. “Jumpsuitepablo” on YouTube covers this extensively,
I do not want to hear the name ‘Karmelo Anthony’ ever again.
Ideally the only time we’ll hear it is an obituary of him dying in prison to an actual hard gangbanger that this little thug wanted to pretend being.
While Karmelo is athletic, he is only 150lbs, thus very likely to be fights over who gets to own him as a prison bride.
Bubba, of skinhead fame, is gonna be his daddy!
Carmelo Anthony should sue his family for everything they got in their “GOFUNDME” account.
they should change the name of those funds to “IGRIFTYOU”
I’m surprised the family didn’t get him out of the country to some place that has no reciprocal with the USA.
But apparently they spent all $700,000 gofundme raised
Imagine that, he had public defenders cause the family spent the money on themselves, instead of getting a kick a$$ lawyer for their son
No. He didn’t. I thought the same thing. He DID have one at arraignment. Mike Howard is not a public defender.
By the way, numerous black witnesses gave accounts under oath, Mr Anthony murdered the poor boy and he instigated it.
“We is be victims. Oh, woe is us, at the mercy of priv’lidged supremacist whitey!”
fwiw one of Hunters track teammates was the one that chased karmelo down and said you “just killed my bro”. (or something along those lines). That teammate is black.
The reality is the only real racial tensions are from the race baiters. Collin County and the cities of McKinney, Plano and frisco only have a very small population of low income blacks and a very small population racist blacks. I am in the one small area in mckinney of low income blacks quite frequently (every other saturday), and have never encountered any thing that resembles racist attitudes.
Just watched a video compilation showing “guilty dogs” – actual dogs feeling guilty about misbehaving. This Karmelo kid – zero remorse.
Every one of those dogs has infinitely more humanity than this racist murderer.
The only emotion he’s shown at all was when he started panicking when he realized he was going to be going to jail for a long time.
That’s literally it.
Monstrous.
If he were smart, he’d commit suicide.
He knows he’ll get out soon enough, one way or another.
10-15 years tops, and he’ll be out.
Much less if some libtard “judges” convince themselves that the trial was unfair because there were no black jurors.
How will he get out? He won’t even be eligible for parole until he’s served 17.5 years. And even after that the Texas Board of Pardons and Paroles isn’t known for leniency in such cases.
How? A communist governor or some such commutes his sentence or whatever the act is to let him out.
First of all, how does a commie get elected governor of Texas? But even if that were somehow to happen, in Texas the governor does not have the power of clemency. That power rests with the Board of Pardons and Paroles. So your hypothetical commie governor would have to get a communist majority on that board, one appointment at a time, each one approved by the state senate.
“How” is a good question. Even in Texas, this guy isn’t serving more than 5, maybe 10. Unless he screws up further, which is likely.
The no blacks on jury will ultimately get him out. Likely a commutation by Governor Talarico.
In California—where I live— the no blacks on jury would likely get him a retrial. Blacks on jury would be guaranteed hung jury, if not an OJ verdict.
That’s BS. The absolute minimum that he can serve is 17.5 years, and even after that parole is very unlikely. Talarico is not even running for governor, but even if he eventually does, and even if he wins, he still won’t have the power to do that.
And no, the no blacks would be unlikely to work even in CA, let alone in TX. So long as each challenge was justified, the overall result doesn’t change things. A requirement that there must be blacks on the jury would be unconstitutional.
Whether he gets out in 17.5 years or not depends on how the Texas Board of Pardons and Paroles sees him after that time when he’s been locked up in one of the worst units in Huntsville for that long. A young dude like him, full of vinegar and no brains is likely to be a troublemaker and turn into a gangbanger while in stir. The only way he’ll get parole is if he can manage to stay out of trouble and not do something even stupider than he already did, and for HIM, that will be a challenge he’s not likely going to meet.
Karmelo is about to find out about real racism in prison. He will be protected by the brothers when he gets there. The aryan nation boys will have it out for him. Eventually he will become a hardened inmate. I don’t see him getting parole at the 17 1/2 year mark unless he has an ultra clean prison record. His parents need to look in the mirror everyday and realize that they are responsible for the way their son became a murderer.
Which mirror? One in the McMansion? Or, one in the Escalade?
He is young and 150lbs, Black or white – he will become a bride in prison. A prison bride.
On an unrelated note, I know a former Golden glove state champ that went to prison in Texas for 3 years. He was 146 lbs at the time. Good story on how it did not end well for the “groom” . I happened to be the sparring partner of the guy in High school.
I was selected for a jury when I thought for sure there was no way I would be picked. The big question was if anyone had been a victim of police violence. I explained how I was maced by the DC park police during Nixon’s second inauguration back in 1973 which I thought would now exempt me from this Rodney King style police violence civil trial. When I went back to my seat another juror leaned over and told me I would be picked for sure. Sure enough, I was. We ended up finding for the police defendants and did so in less than an hour.
“I know my son, and he’s very sorry for what he did,” she continued.”
“Once the officer said “I have the alleged suspect [in custody],” Anthony told the officer, “I’m not alleged, I did it.”
He certainly sounds very sorry.
“He also told police that Metcalf put his hands on him after he told him not to.”
You’re not special, Kang Snowflake.
As usual he was sorry he was caught, sorry he was indicted, sorry he had to go to trial, sorry he was convicted.
It was hard to see any other outcome as the self defense argument was never going to work but I’m still surprised at the verdict. In large parts of this country he would have gotten off free.
Having sat through the selection process and picked as a juror it was an interesting procedure. A former cop, two female flight attendants, one wife, a business owner and myself the retiree. The charge was rape. It was a three day trial. The defendant and the victim were cousins. We all took notes and watched and listened as the testimony was presented by prosecution and defense. The States Attorney assigned to woman as the prosecution team. A woman defense lawyer. I ended up as the foreman. The defendant did not commit rape. It was consensual. Gross, but it was. I allowed the woman to make their case for guilty. And after they spoke I made my case for innocence. The cop backed me and then one of the ladies switched and eventually we took a vote and found him innocent. All in about 45 minutes. I then said let’s have a cup of coffee before we call in the bailiff. Walked back in and handed the verdict to the clerk. They polled us and that was that.
Cheer up, Karmelo. As of this morning, you’ve only got 34 years and 364 days to go. 🤡
Tried, convicted and sentenced. Case closed.
He killed the kid, period.
Karmelo is now just a number. No more spotlight. Life on the outside moves on and doesn’t care anymore.
Parole eligibility for this piece of excrement sociopath/psychopath in 17.5 years (half of his alloted sentence of 35 years), for a stabbing murder of vicious violence and obvious malicious intent and pre-meditation — to kill some/any victim — is an absurdly and indefensibly lenient sentence, by any objective measure.
now to make sure the jurors are not doxxed by some low life !!!
Apparently, in Texas, when it comes to sentencing the defendant can choose between having the judge do it or having the jury do it. Anthony chose the jury that had just taken all of three hours to find him guilty. The guy has some very poor decision-making skills.
Is Texas like tv dramas where you get sentenced right after the verdict?
“Post reported that once the verdict had been read, the trial moved directly into the punishment phase,”
Choosing to let the jury set punishment is common
Quite a bit of defense defense strategy is often not get a not guilty verdict- but to get a lighter sentence with a sympathetic jury. It’s also a guessing game and or a got feel for which has better odds.
Part of the self defense strategy was not to be found not guilty but to get some of the jury to think that it deserved a lesser sentence ( ie the kid didn’t think it would escalate)
Either way choosing to let the jury to select was based on gut feel. Toby shook is one of top defense attorneys in Texas – so he probably got it right knowing that judge
35 years is IMO far too lenient. Nobody who kills someone else with aggregating factors should do less than life AR at minimum walk free until they turn 70. Then only if their time served was all ‘good time’ without any additional crimes while in Prison.
A life sentence is considered 40 years. I think the jury got it right considering 5 years as a modifier for being tried as an adult.
I wonder if the victim’s family agrees. I think they could certainly have defamation suits depending on what some race hustlers put out there, but they seem to be the forgiving type.
Well that’s the effective # of years but the wider public would anticipate that a life sentence should keep a convict in Prison until very near the end of an anticipated lifespan (for a younger person, a 55 year old sentenced to 50 years is SOL) while life w/o parole means guaranteed to die in Prison.
If I had a magic wand then EVERY convict would be sentenced to the maximum term with the mitigating factors, youth, no priors, circumstances, crime of passion working to lower the amount of years sentenced to serve in Prison BUT the remainder suspended. So if the MAX was 99 and sentenced to serve 35 in Prison AND all those 35 years are ‘good time’ with no criminal/disciplinary issues in Prison he gets out after 35 years however the remainder of the suspended sentence hands over his head until it runs out. In that case he’d have to keep his nose clean for 64 additional years. Anything more than simple traffic, parking infractions or minor things usually issued a summons v a physical arrest and he violates the terms of his release and goes back to prison for the remaining years led on the suspended sentence with whatever time for additional crime tacked onto the end of that to run consecutively.
My take…
All sentences need to take into consideration that the taxpayer is forking out for 3 hots and a cot.
Therefore, any sentence that exceeds 20 years should automatically become a death sentence at 20 + 1. day.
I would support anything up to 10 just to clear overcrowding.
Costs can be reduced. A base daily diet of grits, oatmeal, PBJ, water, cabbage, stewed tomatoes and a multivitamin together with lots of fresh air for low risk convicts out in farm fields, along roadways clearing ditches and cutting brush in State/Federal Parks in winter. That’s plenty healthy especially b/c the more hours they work the more ‘points’ they earn to exchange for food options. Mandatory GED and/or reach journeyman status in a trade to be eligible for release. The prison who refuse to take advantage of the opportunity remain locked up 2 per cell 23 hours per day with a 24/7 rotation for their one hour outside the cell each day; 45 min outside in a 20×20 fenced area and 15 minutes for a shower (time to/from cell included within that hour) and each allowed single paperback book. Prisoners who refuse to follow precise commands immediately get put into 10×10 cell, no outside opportunities for a week, rising by an additional week each infection throughout their term.
I suspect that would reduce costs short term and due to deterrence lower longer term costs. No TV, internet, radio, ‘snacks’ from the commissary. Prison is for punishment first, rehabilitation second but not for creating a ‘comfortable’ existence.
Sorry, but 35 years in prison is not a deterrent for a punk like Karmelo. He is irredeemable.
He’ll have 3 squares, exercise, and medical care. The brothers will protect him … until he is old enough and tough enough to be a protector rather than a protectee.
Nope … until punks learn that FAFO means exactly what it says, these kinds of crimes will continue unabated.
Some folks are missing the point regarding their presumption of the seeming unlikelihood of the perp being granted parole, in 17.5 years, and, applying for parole at an interval of one to five years, thereafter (at the discretion of the Texas Board of Pardons and Paroles).
The unlikelihood of the perp being granted parole is totally irrelevant — what’s relevant is, why the hell should the victim’s family be tortured and stressed by the uncertainty of the process and the possibility of the perp’s eventual release? Why should the victim’s family be forced to attend Parole Board hearings, in perpetuity (at whatever interval), and be forced to re-live the brutal murder of their loved one and relative?
It’s putting the victim’s family through this emotional meat-grinder that’s as objectionable, conceptually, as the notion of the murder perp walking free, in 17.5 years, however unlikely that prospect may be.
If Obama had a grandson would he look like Anthony?
If Trayvon had a twin brother.
Take a life, serve a life. Plain and simple.
Take a life, give a life… literally.
The First Amendment is the most important institutional innovation in history – Amjad Masad. Thus I am heartened to see Karmelo supporters making their case against black injustice, and while I disagree with their position I also doubt any of the demonstrators will be emigrating to a more just country. Like a country in which you can stab a man in the heart, kill him and go unpunished.
What country is that?
I have tried to wrap my head around how Karmelo ended up in the situation which led to the killing. I don’t believe it was premeditated in the sense that he woke up that morning with the intent to murder. Carrying a knife (well I often do myself albeit not a BIG knife) is just a teenager “I’m a badass” thing.
Trying to power play and make them force him out of the tent is another “I’m a badass” stunt. However when we get to place where the folding knife is open and in his hand inside the backpack, I get lost. Repeatedly saying, “Touch me and see what happens” followed immediately by a stabbing to the heart sure seems like premeditated murder. Had he just brandished the knife and something happened afterward, I would understand. He went straight to the heart. That’s no accidental stabbing. Why on earth did he do that?
Not fully formed brain capacity, all teenagers do stupid shit, but he also had the racial chip the size of Montana on his shoulder because of his skin color.
Parents absolutely failed him and the culture surrounding his race, which he embraced, did him no favors, either.
Why? Low IQ? Poor impulse control? Shitty black urban culture that says your being oppressed all the time by anyone white and don’t allow it? No real sense of right and wrong? Small man’s syndrome?
Doesn’t matter at the end of the day.
Why? Because he wanted to kill Metcalf.
Thats why we call punk thugs like him 15 seconders.
He was INCAPABLE of ‘premeditating’, because he can’t think that far ahead.
He just decided he was going to start trouble and ‘act gangsta’. Then he did it. Then he admitted it to the cop. Because he’s too stupid to think ahead.
He was laughing and living it up with the grifting cash in the mansion and car they bought.
He cried when he was found guilty because up to that point he literally did not even consider how screwed he was, and that he was going to jail. He was incapable of thinking ahead.
That’s how he ended up there.
My guess is that he was misinformed about the law of self-defense, and somehow got the impression that as soon as someone puts their hands on you you have the right to respond with deadly force. We occasionally hear such an attitude even from some commenters here on LI; but he seems to have actually believed it. Hence his insistence to the police that he did it; he genuinely believed they would take his side.
Caramel gonna be “stabbed” every day for the next 35 years.
Don’t drop the soap there fella. Bend over and Bubba gonna drive.
Rape jokes are not funny.
They CAN be. You haven’t listened to Anthony Jeselnik, I gather.
I think it’s helpful to discuss what the defense didn’t argue in support of their client based on what I’ve seen. Nothing to indicate that he was distraught due to things in his personal life, like a parent or sibling dying, or a breakup with a girlfriend, or his coach pulled him out of a race. There was no indication that it was a stupid prank or dare foisted on him by his teammates and that it got out of hand. Those things could have been mitigating factors that potentially would have lessened the sentence. That leads me to believe that he felt entitled to do whatever he wanted (occupying anyone’s tent) and that he didn’t fear any consequences. That makes me think that the sentence was just.
“I know my son, and he’s very sorry for what he did,” she continued.
I certainly would have liked to hear that from him, or to show some remorse
Right now he has to deal with looking in the mirror and seeing a head with no tarantulas on it.
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