Media Doesn’t Want To Talk About How Murder Of Georgia Nursing Student Was By Illegal Alien With Criminal Record
No matter how much you hate the Democrat activist media, it’s not enough.
The Democrat activist media is in full-blown panic over the illegal alien who has been arrested for, among other charges, murdering a lovely young nursing student at the University of Georgia.
Laken Riley’s suspected killer Jose Ibarra illegally entered US in 2022 — and was cut loose due to lack of detention space: report https://t.co/8Ci2oe5KEx pic.twitter.com/7tGJWOCGYs
— New York Post (@nypost) February 24, 2024
Scrambling to obscure that he’s in this country illegally, that the open border policies they support have lead directly to this bright young woman’s death, they have called him everything from an “Athens [Georgia] man” to just plain old “suspect.” Heck, Newsweek even found a way to tie this horrendous crime by an illegal alien to . . . MAGA. You can’t make this stuff up.
The results of their inability to grasp–much less report–basic truths run the gamut from ludicrously laughable to downright infuriating.
MAGA demands death penalty for migrant arrested over killing of Laken Riley https://t.co/pNzul5lQQT pic.twitter.com/rsR7p0VH5X
— Newsweek (@Newsweek) February 24, 2024
A suspect has been taken into custody in connection to the death of a woman on the University of Georgia campus, the school says. https://t.co/e9UTEoXzSK
— CNN (@CNN) February 23, 2024
BREAKING: A suspect was taken into custody after a student was found dead on a University of Georgia campus, police say. https://t.co/tWnqU8kTmc
— CBS News (@CBSNews) February 23, 2024
The killing of a nursing student out for a run highlights the fears of solo female athletes https://t.co/RYCpB53JmJ
— The Associated Press (@AP) February 25, 2024
You mean an illegal alien. Just say it. For ONCE just tell the damned truth.
— Mary Jane⤵ (@Sarcasm_DuJour) February 25, 2024
#BREAKING: A 26-year-old Athens man has been charged with murder in the death of a nursing student on the University of Georgia campus.
— Atlanta Journal-Constitution (@ajc) February 24, 2024
Needless to say, people have thoughts.
Hi, female athlete here. I ran this exact trail every single week of my college career. I guess I could have been snuffed out before I graduated, had a career, family, and the professionals at the AP would lie about the suspect bc it fits a preferred narrative. Ibarra is not… https://t.co/8V5AQVRo9l
— Mary Katharine Ham (@mkhammer) February 25, 2024
The full text reads:
Hi, female athlete here. I ran this exact trail every single week of my college career. I guess I could have been snuffed out before I graduated, had a career, family, and the professionals at the AP would lie about the suspect bc it fits a preferred narrative. Ibarra is not merely an “Athens resident,” and Laken Riley and every other student was put in danger by not enforcing laws and allowing a man arrested 3x after crossing the border to hang out and work on campus. He had to escalate to alleged murder to be held and/or risk deportation. Good policies. Good work.
This story even cites the 2018 murder of Mollie Tibbetts in IA as a reason solo female runners should be worried, *also without noting her killer was an illegal immigrant.* Just stop lying!
Here’s the local news station doing actual journalism on this.
https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/clarke-county/jose-diego-ibarra-court-documents-reveal-immigration-criminal-past-united-states/SPXOP242MNF3NPCCRCCB4DZSQU/?outputType=amp
The more I look at this AP story, the dumber it is. It talks about a real fear, a real threat. It doesn’t attempt to give context that would help readers rationally evaluate how scared they should be aside from a brief mention of unspecified stats that such attacks are rare. Then…
— Mary Katharine Ham (@mkhammer) February 25, 2024
Full text:
The more I look at this AP story, the dumber it is. It talks about a real fear, a real threat. It doesn’t attempt to give context that would help readers rationally evaluate how scared they should be aside from a brief mention of unspecified stats that such attacks are rare. Then it takes a sample size of two murders of female joggers and doesn’t even then identify the common thread, which was attacks by strangers (still alleged in the case of Riley) who were also illegal immigrants!
I don’t know what’s more unbelievable: the incredibly poor media coverage, or all the angry rage-bots and their cries of “RACIST!” everyone someone tries to point out the poor media coverage.
— Amygator 🐊 *not an actual alligator (@AmyA1A) February 25, 2024
Democrats are obviously OK with this because they left the border open for four years, knowing full well that this would happen. This is your daily reminder that they hate you and don't care if you live or die.
— Zizz (@hraphanidousai) February 24, 2024
Not all murders are direct results of federal policy.
This murder is https://t.co/k18G0MINs0
— Fusilli Spock (@awstar11) February 24, 2024
They are all avoiding the rape word too. 👈🏻😱
— Halle MAGA (@Halle2017) February 25, 2024
Why is this MAGA?!? How about this is an AMERICAN demand from every parent in this country that cares about the well being of our women and children!!!
— Lucy Riles (@LucyRiles) February 24, 2024
Laken Riley’s alleged killer illegally crossed the border the same month that Kamala Harris told Chuck Todd “the border is secure” https://t.co/T924wgQFIx
— Peter J. Hasson (@peterjhasson) February 24, 2024
Yep…. The story of an illegal alien who broke into our country, committed a crime in one state, released back into the community because of sanctuary city laws, flees to another state where he rapes and murders a young woman is really just a story about solo female athletes https://t.co/lhACDWqZ9k
— Ryan James Girdusky (@RyanGirdusky) February 25, 2024
Why did you lie to the people by calling an illegal from Venezuela an “Athens man”
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) February 25, 2024
Sensing a pattern here. Where is the suspect from, CNN? And how exactly did he enter the country?
News consumption for more Americans is done by scrolling without clicking to read the story. It is vital to include pertinent information.
So was this an intentional omission? https://t.co/z6pn0tBe5z
— Joe Concha (@JoeConchaTV) February 24, 2024
You forgot this part: Entered illegally in 2022 and released by the Biden administration.
— Reine (@ReineDeTout) February 24, 2024
— Captain Cringe (@TravisG239) February 25, 2024
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“No matter how much you hate the Democrat activist media, it’s not enough.”
Ain’t that the truth.
People need to wake up and realize that the MSM works for the Progressive party. Once you realize that, you can see it in everything they do.
And both the party and the media will be ditched by the movement, the movent they’re no longer useful.
at the convention, the GOP should dedicate an entire evening to this subject
There are many murders of young women by these monsters
Who will save our children when we don’t stand up for them?
This young women was an adult not a child. Unfortunately our society is reverting to one that is in general less civil and less safe. With that reversion some of the social roles discarded by militant feminists may need to be returned.
Who will protect young women like this from becoming tragic victims? Her Father, Brother, Uncles, male Cousins, her Husband or long-term boyfriend. Certainly society in general isn’t going to do so. If our present society was capable of protecting this young women and others like her they wouldn’t have been victimized in the first place.
Carrying an equalizer would help too.
Agreed.
People who can, taking some responsibility for what goes on around them.
Colloquially, “Not within the reach of my arm.” is half of the compact of a civilization.
For The Screaming Meemies out there, that’s a metaphor, not a prescription for violence. Meant to be taken “seriously, but not literally”, like a lot of regular speech. (If y’all could figure that one out after Salena Zito explained it to you in 2016, you wouldn’t be in such danger of electing the Orange Man Bad again. But, that’s a different lack of clue.)
The Leftists in power would happily sacrifice your daughter’s life in order to keep the border hordes flowing.
Tragically, it is not just Leftists in power who want this, but the entire parasite class, including those who have an R after their names.
Our current passenger caste hasn’t figured out that if you kill the buggy you’re riding on, then you’re back to walking.
Behind the Big News: Propaganda and the CFR,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmKiiY_HqsY
The American media and government want to blame Laken Riley for this. If somehow she had just not been found, they could not have charged Ibarra and involved the foreign invaders sponsored by the US government.
Subotai Bahadur
Don’t be surprised when the victim is assailed for her alleged “white privilege.”
When you let in millions of young men, at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder, without suitable female companions, and White Debbie won’t date them, this is the expected result.
Your comment isn’t clear Is “White Debbie” obligated somehow to date them? They came as uninvited gate crashes. Seems like Debbie doesn’t owe them anything. Are you saying you expect normal Americans to provide illegal aliens free food, free housing, free schooling, free healthcare, jobs, free Obama phones, AND ensure female companionship too??? Give me a break. I applaud Debbie for avoiding these criminals (and thereby better ensure her own safety).
The propagandist media will insist that Laken should not have dressed the way she did, should not have been running where she did, and should not have been alone.
Because it is BLAME THE VICTIM so they don’t have to tell the truth.
It isn’t ‘victim blaming’ to point out the world has changed and that activities that used to be safe are in some parts of the Nation have become dangerous. The level of safety and security previously enjoyed and mostly taken for granted has in some areas been replaced by opportunistic predators looking for their next victim.
IMO that’s the real lesson here; the Gov’t at all levels has failed to maintain safe communities. This happened due to deliberate policy choices and we all need to adapt to the new reality. In this environment the vulnerable will be targeted so the takeaway is to make sure you are not perceived as vulnerable while you go about your daily activities. If that means running with a partner, a group or while armed and that helps deter predators specifically targeting you then either do those things or accept a higher risk of becoming a victim.
Question 1) WHERE in the Constitution does government take on the responsibility of “keeping us all safe”? The government’s JOB is to enforce the LAW. Laws they FAILED to enforce this time were several incidents of known illegal entry into our country, a previous sexual crime for which he was NOT properly dealt with, and now this murder finally gets a few to wake up.
Question2) DOES this University have laws prohibiting the possession of weapons (as in handguns, specifically) on the campus? If so, THIS is a huge factor enabling this to happen. For some stupid reason most college/university campus rules prohibit the possession of Personal Defensive Weapons on campus. How stupid can you get? Remember the U Reno student returning to her car late at night in the campus parking garage, was brutally raped as she attempted to enter her car…. which had her handgun locked inside the car because of stupid rules. She managed to fight him off before getting killed. WHY such stupid rules? A disarmed populace is a people at risk. Government makes laws contrary to the US constitution then pints their gnarly finger at “other factor” that are not relevant. IF THIS woman had been armed she would most likely not be dead. Perhaps her attacker would be, and for that I would shed quite a few tears.. tears of joy that the attacker go his due. Call me heartless? Nope. The criminal attacker is the one to bear all the fault for this. ope Georgia still has ol Sparky ready to fire up and do his job.
Where in the Constitution? As the Declaration of Independence mentions governments are established to protect various individual rights, including life, liberty, and property (among other things, all encompassed by the phrase “the pursuit of happiness.”). If any government fails to protect its citizens it has failed the principal reason it even exists.
Answer 1) there is no Constitutional duty to ‘keep us all safe’ (I didn’t argue that)
Answer 2) at a guess, probably UGA does have burdensome 2A restrictions
The key point here is the expectation of safety and security that used to actually exist has long since vanished. We must accept that no one is coming to save us or protect us and most importantly act to secure our own safety. The societal (not gov’t) expectation of safety was voted out when folks began pushing touchy/freely emotional perspective v hard nose cynicism in the candidates we elect and the policies those elected to office decided to implement; open border, soft on crime, no cooperation with ICE, easy bail, minimal criminal sentences.
This young woman didn’t deserve to be attacked or killed, but both happened. IMO, largely because of govt failures and stupid 2A restrictions but also in part b/c we haven’t yet fully internalized the fact that we live in a different and more dangerous Nation. It will happen as long as folks refuse to take responsibility for their own security and safety b/c the govt ain’t gonna do it for us, even if the politicians wanted to. The phrase ‘when seconds count the Cops are minutes away’ comes to mind.
What are you on about now? There is nothing in the record about his having previously committed any sexual crime.
Capitalist Dad, the Declaration of Independence is not the constitution. It has no legal authority at all. But that’s irrelevant, because nobody said it was in the constitution, or even that there was such a duty at all. It’s a simple fact that the world is in some ways less safe than it once was (while in other ways it’s safer).
Also, had the university allowed carry, it’s still likely that she would not have gone jogging with a sidearm, just because of the weight. Not unless she had specific reason to be afraid. She should certainly have had that right, I’m just saying she would probably not have thought to use it when, as it turned out, she most needed it.
“Deserve’s got nothing to do with it.” — act accordingly.
The best take I’ve seen navigating ought / should of victim-blaming vs. prudence is from Camille Paglia.
Have they called the perp a “white Hispanic,” or, an “undocumented American,” yet?
After all, crime boss, Biden, and the rest of the vile, lawless, callous and stupid Dhimmi-crats have repeatedly proclaimed that illegal aliens are allegedly already Americans.
Not sure how reliable, but I’ve seen posts of the public arrest document which highlight this alleged murderer’s race listed as ‘white.”
What’s the benign, innocent explanation for this?
Police departments label people as white to avoid getting hassled by the DoJ?
It also helps to fake numbers for the FBI on crimes committed by white people.
Biden was too busy dreaming about taking showers with his daughter. After all, if he won’t protect his own daughter, do we expect him to protect ours?
This villain is wicked and rotten to the core. Get thee behind me, Biden.
As I say many times, MSM/PRAVDA is the biggest problem in this country. If this were headlined all over the country, as it should be, Biden could not get elected Dog Catcher.
Yet the party base of the dems still believe in their bullschiff War on Women talking point.
Oh, there is a war on women. Dems and progressives are the perpetrators, and have been since Teddy the Swimmer killed Mary Jo.
And Milhouse will be here shortly to shill for the media, murdering illegal invaders, and his BELOVED Democrat Party.
Perhaps now would be a good time to revisit the ‘campus carry’ debate.
TENRINGGGGG!!!
And you continue to lie and lie and lie.
It’s completely fair to note that he shouldn’t have been here in the first place, and therefore to blame the Biden administration’s policies for the murder. But the references to his single arrest since then are overblown. It wasn’t much of an offense. Therefore even if it had happened in a non-sanctuary state, the arresting authorities might have bothered to call ICE, and ICE might have come to pick him up and initiate deportation proceedings against him, but almost certainly not. Even under Trump, assuming he was already in the country, if ICE had been notified that an illegal immigrant had been picked up for such a minor offense it would most likely have told the locals to write him his ticket and let him go.
sad that you upvote your own posts.
Sad that you tell such outright lies.
Wasn’t much of an offense? Most of us get by in life without being arrested for attempting to harm a child. What is WRONG with you?
That’s right, it was an extremely trivial offense. He did not attempt to harm any child, and was never accused of doing so. You are simply making lies up, because you are a lying liar and a bigot as well.
Athens is in a sanctuary county.
and HIS KIND OF THINKING is the root of the problem.
Once he was arrested and in custody, I don’t care if it was for an unpaid parking ticket, his status as illegal entrant discovered, call ICE and he gets a free plane ticket back to Venezuela… with a personal armed escort to the gate and onto the plane. THAT is the law. Just cause ICE refuse to deal with such violations like they do, THEY are culpable in such crimes. Had the chance, to kick him out, refused, leaving him here illegally. Dead woman is direct result.
Even under Trump, ICE would not have bothered deporting him for such a trivial offense. Even under Reagan. In fact I doubt there has ever been a time when such an arrest would have resulted in federal action against him.
As ever, defend the actions your Democrat masters demand you defend.
Tell us again, Democrat why it’s okay that the murdering illegal alien is okay to stay in the US if he’s picked up for only a minor offense.
Most people don’t want blood on their hands. You dive right in.
And you continue to be a worthless filthy liar.
He was not a murderer at the time. Merely an illegal immigrant who had committed an extremely minor traffic offense.
The Leftist media lies to not acknowledge that Trump was right.
All the way back in 2015.
Wasn’t much of an offense? Most of us get by in life without being arrested for attempting to harm a child. What is WRONG with you?
I’m assuming this is meant for the bestest thinkerer among us EBAH, Millhouse.
Yes, his offense was extremely trivial. Nobody has accused him of attempting to harm a child, let alone actually harming anyone. Not until now, anyway.
When I see a description such as Athens Man used to describe such a being, I immediately think of the names given to newly discovered pre-humans. Another variation of Homo-Illegus
Heh.
When you let in millions of young men, at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder, without suitable female companions, and White Debbie won’t date them, WHAT DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN ???? IS happening.
Fun fact, the majority of crimes are committed by natives not illegal immigrants. This is just a statement of fact
Ok tell us the proportion (%) of crimes (homicide, rape, robbery, burglary, trespass, identity theft) by the following classification;
1. Native born
2. Naturalized
3. Green Card holder
4. Visa holder of all types
5. Claimants for asylum and others who’s deportation was deferred
6.Those illegally present, all of whom committed at least one crime in entering and remaining in the US illegally often across privately owned land so that’s two crimes minimum when we include trespass.
Then tell us the crime rate for the US minus the the 36 zip codes with the highest rates of crime and tell us the demographics of those 36 zip codes and the political party of those who run the local jurisdiction where that zip code exists.
Its not clear to me why you would want to differentiate the categories. My claim is clearly between US citizens and illegal immigrants.
According to studies I’ve seen the data is categorised into 3
Citizens, legal immigrants, and illegal immigrants. In all three categories US citizens have the highest propensity for crime. see link
https://www.ojp.gov/library/publications/comparing-crime-rates-between-undocumented-immigrants-legal-immigrants-and
It’s not really clear to me on what basis the claim that illegal immigrants are responsible for ‘all the crime’ is made. AS far as the facts show its just a right wing talking point that’s diametrically the opposite to the facts.
In Texas, one third of all inmates in all prisons, jails and detention centers are illegals.
Since the proportion of illegals to legal residents in Texas is still quite low, it is mathematically obvious that this small percentage of illegals commit a disproportionate amount of crime.
Imagine, if by stemming the tide of invasion and deporting the illegals already here, we could cut the crime rate by 33%… I imagine that would be a good thing.
Yes, but how many of those are there on immigration charges? To have any meaningful discussion of illegals’ relative propensity to commit other crimes, those inmates must be deducted from the total.
The underlying question is whether open borders makes us less safe than we were before. This study is interesting, and worth considering, but it’s far from the last word on the subject.
It’s also questionable whether the rate of criminality matters as much as the absolute increase in crimes. If you allow more people in, even if they’re less criminal than average, you will inevitably get more crimes. Tell the victims of their crimes that by letting them in we lowered the average crime rate.
Finally, a note: It actually stands to reason that the criminality rate among native born citizens should be higher than that among illegal immigrants, simply because the racial distribution of illegal immigrants is quite different from that of native born citizens. In particular, the percentage of illegal immigrants who are black is lower that that for native born citizens. And even those illegal immigrants who are black didn’t grow up in the sick culture of black neighborhoods in large US cities, so they’re not really “black” for the purpose of this calculation. But once you remove blacks from the native born citizens’ numbers, and in order to be fair you also remove them from the illegal immigrants’ numbers, how do they look now? I don’t know, but it’s an interesting and highly relevant question. Because if that adjustment makes the illegals more criminal, then the fact that they’re still not as bad as native-born blacks is not a reason to stop worrying about them being allowed in. We already have a problem with our native-born black population, a problem we can’t really do anything about. Why do we need to bring in more criminals, even if they’re not as bad as that?
@Milhouse
“In particular, the percentage of illegal immigrants who are black is lower that that for native born citizens. And even those illegal immigrants who are black didn’t grow up in the sick culture of black neighbourhoods in large US cities,”
This is a socio economic question, the link between poor socio economic conditions and crime is well established. On this basis and noting that illegal immigrants commit less crime that makes the US native crime stats look even worse.
To be fair the US law and order system has a very poor reputation.
“It’s also questionable whether the rate of criminality matters as much as the absolute increase in crimes.”
Crime rate is a far more representative way of understanding a statistical issue. Absolute figures in this context don’t tell you anything.
“The underlying question is whether open borders”
What exactly is open about the border? What’s the difference between Biden’s border policies and Trumps?
“This study is interesting, and worth considering, but it’s far from the last word on the subject.”
Indeed, on that we can agree.
Bart, if you’re trying to argue that poverty causes crime, stop right there. That proposition has been so thoroughly discredited, over the past 150 years, that nobody can still advance it with a straight face.
Poverty does not cause crime, but crime causes poverty. Or rather, the same personality traits that make a person more likely to take up a career of crime also make that person more likely to be poor.
The high rate of violent crime in black urban areas, and not elsewhere, is the result of a sick culture that has developed in that demographic. And that culture is also the cause of the poverty that is prevalent in that demographic. There is also a genetic component to both, but separating it out from the culture, and also figuring out to what extent it is a cause of the cuture, is complicated and pointless. Regardless of causes, it is what it is. Black areas have a high rate of violent crime, and that throws the statistics for the rest of the USA askew.
I think it is Eric Raymond who noted that most of the USA is Switzerland, interspersed with a few areas of Swaziland.
In any case, the point is that if it is indeed the case that native born Americans have a higher rate of violent crime than do illegal immigrants, that will be due entirely to the fact that there are fewer black people among the immigrants, and even fewer people who grew up in the degenerate black urban culture. If you subtract that factor from the native-born statistics, the picture will change utterly. The illegal immigrants will surely be found to have a higher percentage of violent criminals than do non-black native Americans, and that means opening the border to them increases crime and puts everyone in danger.
And yes, Biden did open the border. His policies have been nothing like Trump’s. Even before he took office, Biden openly and publicly invited anyone who felt like coming to the USA to mosey on over. The door would be thrown open to welcome them, so they should flock to the border and cross with a will. And that word went out all over Central and South America, and all over the world.
Under Trump you did not have the Border Patrol welding gates open, or cutting barbed wire, to make infiltration easier. Under Trump the Border Patrol did all it could to minimize the number of people crossing the border, and all it could to send as many as it could back over the border. On Biden’s first day in office he ordered the Border Patrol to do an about-face.
You’re going to have to expand on that statement. Because it only has a “bad reputation” among ill-informed ignoramuses like you. What exactly do you claim is this reputation, why do you claim it is poor, and among whom exactly do you claim it exists?
@Milhouse
“Bart, if you’re trying to argue that poverty causes crime, stop right there. That proposition has been so thoroughly discredited, over the past 150 years, that nobody can still advance it with a straight face.”
I’m going to stop you right there, the literature is very clear on the topic that it absolutely is the case that there is a strong link between socio economic status and crime see
https://eprints.lse.ac.uk/68133/1/Newburn_Social%20Disadvantage%20and%20Crime.pdf
https://www.alliedacademies.org/articles/the-impact-of-socioeconomic-factors-on-crime-rates.pdf
https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/csj-sjc/crime/rr06_6/p2.html
“Poverty does not cause crime, but crime causes poverty. Or rather, the same personality traits that make a person more likely to take up a career of crime also make that person more likely to be poor.”
Err no, this simply isn’t true. Feel free to point to studies that demonstrate your point.
“The high rate of violent crime in black urban areas, and not elsewhere, is the result of a sick culture that has developed in that demographic. And that culture is also the cause of the poverty that is prevalent in that demographic. ”
This an example of socio economic conditions and is supported by the fact that rich black immigrants have lower crime rates compared to those in previously red lined areas
“There is also a genetic component to both, but separating it out from the culture, and also figuring out to what extent it is a cause of the cuture, is complicated and pointless. Regardless of causes, it is what it is. Black areas have a high rate of violent crime, and that throws the statistics for the rest of the USA askew.”
There is no such thing a genes for black people. Black is a social construction. Your conflating regional genetic markers with the much broader social category of ‘Black’
“And yes, Biden did open the border. His policies have been nothing like Trump’s. “Even before he took office, Biden openly and publicly invited anyone who felt like coming to the USA to mosey on over. The door would be thrown open to welcome them, so they should flock to the border and cross with a will. And that word went out all over Central and South America, and all over the world.”
This is functionally untrue. Trump limited asylum opportunities for legal entry making it more likely that immigrants would come to the border, his border policies includes a failed wall that Americans paid for, barbed wire that was stolen and keeping kids in cages which was a needlessly cruel and ineffective.
“Under Trump you did not have the Border Patrol welding gates open, or cutting barbed wire, to make infiltration easier. Under Trump the Border Patrol did all it could to minimize the number of people crossing the border, and all it could to send as many as it could back over the border. On Biden’s first day in office he ordered the Border Patrol to do an about-face.”
Border force leadership testified in congress that the border is secured. Anecdotal stories aren’t policy. Can you cite specific policies that wee implemented by Biden with respect to the Border.
“You’re going to have to expand on that statement. Because it only has a “bad reputation” among ill-informed ignoramuses like you. What exactly do you claim is this reputation, why do you claim it is poor, and among whom exactly do you claim it exists?”
There are a couple of main points on this.
1. The heavy handed nature of the criminal justice system has perpetuated criminal behaviour leading to an exceptionally high prison population and recidivism rate.
2. The police in the US are well understood to be poorly trained both respect to investigative activities and guns. Training is often a few weeks and that’s it. Other police forces have a greater advantage both in terms of training, and less reliance on guns which is endemic in the US.
” ill-informed ignoramuses like you” Sadly the opposite is true, I spend far too much time informing myself on a number of issues. That doesn’t mean to say I’m correct all the time but as far as your comment goes its misplaced.
Does not matter one tiny bit. ALL the crime perpetrated by those illegally here are excess and totally preventable. KEEP them out and those crimes would not be committed here. this would reduce the burden of crime overall, for all of us.
Are you asserting that the native born population is more prone to criminal activity than illegal aliens?
He’s not asserting that, the study he cited is. And it may well be true, as I discussed in another comment above. But that’s not a reason to stop being concerned about the openness of the border.
Personally I’m less worried about violent criminals coming in than I am about terrorists doing the same. The border is open, so why wouldn’t ISIS, al Qaeda, Iran, Hamas, etc. take advantage of it?
Nope. Illegal Aliens by definition have all, 100%, without exception committed at least one crime by entering the Nation illegally. The native born population does not have a 100% rate of criminality.
They have all committed one crime, but that is not interesting or relevant. Why should we care about it? The fact that a person crosses a border illegally does not make him more likely to commit real crimes once on the other side of the border. It doesn’t make him more likely to kill, steal, rape, or do anything else that people actually care about.
The only relevant question is what percentage of those who do the former are also likely to do the latter. In other words, did Biden’s open borders policy in fact make this murder more likely than it would otherwise have been? If not for that policy, this specific murderer would not have met the victim at that time and killed her; but putting that aside, before this encounter were her chances of being killed significantly raised by the policy? That will only be true if the criminality rate among illegal border-crossers is higher than it is among the existing population.
The argument/discussion is about which population group is more prone to commit crime:
1. Native born
2. Illegal Aliens
By definition 100% of illegal aliens are criminals. Therefore the rate of criminality among this group (100%) exceeds that of the native born population.
Not that it matters in the context of this particular discussion but I reject your assertion that entering into the US illegally is not a ‘real crime’. If nothing else consider the financial impact on taxpayers this individual will have in their future life in the US as theft.
“Not that it matters in the context of this particular discussion but I reject your assertion that entering into the US illegally is not a ‘real crime’. If nothing else consider the financial impact on taxpayers this individual will have in their future life in the US as theft.”
The US economy is reliant on immigration, its a fact of US economic life. The US economy would be considerably worse with immigration. That isn’t to say that there should be some reasonable upper limit but in principle its a net benefit.
No its not a real crime, this is especially the case with respect to an immigrant nation. Its perverse to say otherwise.
No, if someone is crossing illegally it is a crime. If illegal crossings were counted in the statistics properly, then the majority of the crimes in this country would be from illegal aliens.
But you go ahead and keel stating “facts.”
Your opinions aren’t really a basis for facts though are they
And your “facts” are irrelevant when you’re defending criminals as soon as they enter the country ILLEGALLY.
Try thinking for yourself and don’t regurgitate something then engage in ad hominem when you’re busted.
We get these trolls every election cycle. Don’t feed them. 😛
I am thinking for myself which is why I can cite studies that directly contradict your positions and you, well, cant.
“criminals as soon as they enter the country ILLEGALLY”
Technically you cant justify calling them criminals, unauthorised access doesn’t equate to committing a crime, this is governed by international law. They are treated as asylum seekers in the first instance and not criminals. These are two distinct things.
“ad hominem when you’re busted”
You didn’t bust anything you made a series of unsubstantiated assertions. Nor do you understand what ad hominem is. Pointing out that you’ve stated an opinion that isn’t based in facts isn’t ad hominem.
@Fuzzy
I don’t really see why you would describe me as a troll, seems to me that you are struggling to defend your viewpoint. Your welcome to point out where I’m wrong, I’m often wrong and happy to learn from that. You seem to be averse to changing your mind about issues.
LOL, you’ve been here two minutes and know nothing about me or this site or our regular commenters. I don’t feed trolls. (Well, sometimes I do, for fun and personal amusement, but not this time.)
This is not true. Crossing the border other than at an authorized crossing point, with authority, is a crime, and the government, rather than deporting them, could first prosecute them and keep them in prison for as long as they’re sentenced to, and then deport them. There is no exception to this law for people who have learned the magic word “asylum” and have been told to utter it when they encounter the Border Patrol. That magic word doesn’t erase their crime, it just makes it so they can’t be deported without a hearing.
I’ve got news for you: There is no such thing as “international law”. At least, not in the sense you’re using it. There is no world government, so there is nobody who could make such law. “International law” means simply the agreements that countries have made with each other, and which they choose to keep for as long as they find it convenient. As such it is not relevant to individuals crossing a border.
(OK, this is a slight exaggeration. In the USA, unlike most countries, treaties that say they’re self-executing are automatically law, so an individual could cite them in court and use them as a defense. But most treaties are not self-executing, so this isn’t usually relevant.)
Ok, go play somewhere else little boy. Adults only here.
percentages do not impress me. How bout having a squizz at the CHANGE in rates, permanent residents/citizens as against border jumpers…..
Because the majority of residents are natives and not illegal immigrants.
We’re not stupid. Talk rates, not raw numbers.
Actually he is talking rates. Have a look at the study he linked. It’s interesting.
When you read the study let me know what your critique is
Funner fact… every single illegal alien here has committed a crime simply by BEING HERE.
Why are you here?
Actually no, they are classed as asylum seekers which are distinctly different from criminals.
No, they’re not. Crossing the border is a crime, so they’ve all committed that. The relevant question is whether they’re more likely to commit other crimes. One would expect that to be so, simply because some percentage of people never commit crimes, and anyone in that category won’t have come here illegally in the first place, and so won’t be represented at all in that population.
When the asylum claims are eventually rejected as the majority will be based on historical stats then you won’t have any problems with swift deportation? Is there going to be some other issue trotted out in an attempt to preclude deportation?
Fun fact– the percentage of lllegals that commit crimes is 100%.
Every damned one of them.
Those of us who have been paying attention to the left media over decades knew that when he was described as “a man,” he wasn’t white, and might be an illegal alien.
Hold your children closely. Laken is from a city less than 15 miles west of our home. My two daughters graduated from UGA within the past 10 years.
I tried to tell them “safety first” whenever necessary. It is necessary to tell them that because they likely don’t want to think that there’s evil in the world. Laken Riley is not to blame in any way.
Laken has a nice obituary posted to the Poole Funeral Home website in Woodstock. She has three siblings who are no doubt experiencing seemingly unbearable heartache. She is missed and she will be missed every day of their lives.
“When you were born, you cried, and the world rejoiced.
Live your life so that when you die, the world cries, and you rejoice.”
—Cherokee Proverb
Why am I getting flashbacks to the Bush-Dukakis political ads?
Savor the flashbacks. Republicans have lost the balls to run winning ads like that.
this poor baby was murdered with the approval of the obama biden admin
its “too close” to election time for the lefty to bury this story like they do at their whim
THIS IS NOT AN IMMIGRATION STORY
ITS AN INVASION OF AMERICA STORY
AN INVASION WITH THE DOORS HELD WIDE OPEN
by the “military” aka THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH of the USA government
LegalInsurrection
do the story on the air force guy who set himself on fire for the pro palestinian cause
Had enough America?
Tragically, it is not just Leftists in power who want this, but the entire parasite class, including those who have an R after their names.
Someone made a fuss about someone else calling this a MAGA issue. Well it IS a MAGA issue. In a truly great America such crimes would be extremely rare, and the presence of this individual contrary to our duly enacted (but NOT enforced by US Gummit) laws would be all but non-existent. Making America Great Again will INCLUDE dealing firmly and positively with the illegal masses coming in at will. In at least this case, this woman would be alive IF America were great enough again to seal our borders and enforce law relating to entry.
And the ASSociated Press had the chutzpah to run a headline that does not highlight the murder by an alien illegally in the USA – but tries to focus on whether is is safe or wise or whatever for women to run outside on a route of their choosing. Is some do-gooder group about to post signs with warnings such as “”proceed at your own risk – illegal aliens frequent this area”???
News breaking late this afternoon is the man accused of shooting three DC cops last week – Stephen Claude Rattigan – is in the country illegally and has an active deportation order that predates the shooting.
So says one person, Julio Rosas. There is no confirmation from any other source.