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California’s Nanny State War on Plastic Bags Backfired…Bigly

California’s Nanny State War on Plastic Bags Backfired…Bigly

Grocery stores made plastic bags thicker, so they could be classified as “reusable”…and the tonnage of plastic bags in the trash increased.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxObQBjOUqY

Legal Insurrections has covered California’s nanny state attempts to reduce plastic bag usage in the state by mandating grocery stores charge 10 cents for every single-use bag given to a customer.

It has several unintended consequences. The move contributed to an outbreak of hepatitis A in San Diego‘s homeless community, as vagrants used those bags for feces control.

Back in 2020, plastic bag bans posed a challenge during the COVID-19 pandemic because the reusable totes harbor germs and bacteria. Subsequently, San Francisco reversed its 13-year ban on plastic bags. The extreme liberal city banned reusable grocery totes!

The plastic bag rules are continuing to backfire…bigly.

When state legislators passed a 2014 law banning single-use plastic bags, the hope was that it would notably reduce the amount of discarded plastic. But fast-forward nearly a decade: Californians are tossing more pounds of plastic bags than before the legislation was passed.

That’s according to a recent report by the consumer advocacy group CALPIRG, which took population changes into account and found the tonnage of discarded bags rose from 4.08 per 1,000 people in 2014 to 5.89 per 1,000 people in 2022.

How could this happen?

As Susanne Rust reported this week, plastic bag manufacturers replaced one kind of plastic bag for another. You’ve probably noticed them at grocery stores or had them loaded into your car during a drive-up order. These newer bags are thicker and meet technical specifications to be called “reusable.”

As Jenn Engstrom, CALPIRG’S state director, explained to Susanne, the switch created a loophole because the newer bags — which typically cost 10 cents — “are clearly not being reused and don’t look like reusable bags and … just circumvent the law’s intent.”

The grocery stores cleverly used the regulations to their advantage…as any responsible and profitable business would.

‘It was just emerging in the marketplace, but it happened to be made by a couple of California companies … which the manufacturers claimed they could certify as being reusable,’ he added.

Since the bags were made from 20 percent recyclable material and recyclable, Murray said, ‘we said, all right, fine. We’re gonna put that specific criteria into the law.’ But he claimed that experiment ‘failed.’

Mark Gold, director of Water Scarcity Solutions, who worked on the original legislation, described the move as a ‘gaping hole’ in the law.

These reusable bags, made of the material called HDPE, are ‘thicker and heavier’ than the LDPE plastic bags used previously.

The Environmental Protection Agency estimates that only 8.7% of plastic are recycled. And it turns out recycling wastes energy and resources.

A recycled product is the sum of the energy put into producing the virgin plastic + the energy put into recycling it. Wherever processing is involved, energy is expended. Unfortunately that energy often comes from fossil fuels – surprise, surprise.

There are valuable lessons to learn from the consequences of the plastic bag bans. However, this being California, our legislators will learn nothing and continue to base their policies on pseudoscience and utopia narratives.

Let me introduce you to SB 54, which Gov. Gavin Newsom signed into law in 2022.

That sweeping law seeks to phase out single-use plastics through a policy concept known as Extended Producer Responsibility, which shifts the onus of waste from consumers, towns and cities to companies manufacturing products with environmental impacts.

The law also grants plastics companies extensive oversight and authority in terms of the program’s management, execution and reporting, via a Producer Responsibility Organization, which will be made up of industry representatives.

The legislation requires that by Jan. 1, 2028, at least 30% of plastic items sold, distributed or imported into the state be recyclable. By 2032, that number rises to 65%. It also calls for a 25% reduction in single-use plastic waste by 2032 and provides CalRecycle with the authority to increase that percentage if the amount of plastic in the economy and waste stream grows.

In the case of expanded polystyrene, that number needs to reach 25% by 2025. If the number isn’t hit, the ubiquitous, hard-to-recycle foamy plastic will be banned.

I am looking forward to sharing more California “unintended consequences” stories with you sometime in the near future.

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Comments

UnCivilServant | February 15, 2024 at 7:11 am

Here’s a better idea – drop the pointless nanny state regulations and reassign the bureaucrats pushing them to cleaning up feces from the sidewalks. They can use reusable bags there.

    The Gentle Grizzly in reply to UnCivilServant. | February 15, 2024 at 8:39 am

    No. Fire them. Regardless what they do, they’d still be on the taxpayer’s back for pay, golden pensions and lifetime healthcare, and being fire-proof.

    Fire them and let them fend for themselves, just like the people off of whom they’ve been leeching for so long.

      Certainly, firing them is the right thing to do. But, we would be far better off paying them to nothing as opposed to paying them to cause damage, which is the current situation.

    MontanaMilitant in reply to UnCivilServant. | February 16, 2024 at 8:34 am

    Just have the plastic bags identify as vegan sustainable reusable carbon storage based bags and the Tranny State won’t have any choice but to adopt them.

What is the saying,, play stupid games and win stupid prizes??
or, more succinctly, FAFO!!

Ty Leslie,,, can’t wait for the next episode.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair | February 15, 2024 at 7:57 am

One of the towns in my area (outside of Philly) just banned plastic bags. They did it surreptitiously – caught everyone at Walmart by surprise. They were trying to sell us paper bags for 10 cents apiece. I thought it was a walmart policy until I went to another one and they had the bags. I stopped shopping in the bag-less town. Period. They have nothing I need that I can’t get elsewhere within a few miles. What a bunch of morons. I hope all the businesses in that town go under. They won’t get any more business from me, that’s for sure.

    Ol' Jim, hisself in reply to ThePrimordialOrderedPair. | February 15, 2024 at 8:51 am

    They did that in Austin, TX. Apparently, they didn’t realize that usually within 15 minutes, you can go outside city/county limits and get all the plastic bags you want.
    Even worse, all over the city, they have boxes giving out free green PLASTIC bags to clean up your dog’s waste, So, why is it OK to use plastic bags to carry doggy doo, but not to carry groceries? Never did get an answer to that question. . .

    Lucifer Morningstar in reply to ThePrimordialOrderedPair. | February 15, 2024 at 8:53 am

    Simply ask the store if it is permissible for you, the customer, to bring plastic bags and to bag your own items. Many of these “plastic bag bans” only ban the store from providing you a free plastic bag but don’t actually ban the customer from bringing their own plastic bags to use. (You’re mileage may vary – check the law in your area for specifics.)

    You can buy them cheap off a certain website . . .

    https://www.amazon.com/s?k=plastic+grocerty+bags+bulk&crid=2UDBEWMRMOQKO&sprefix=plastic+grocerty+bags+bulk%2Caps%2C184&ref=nb_sb_noss_2

      The Gentle Grizzly in reply to Lucifer Morningstar. | February 15, 2024 at 9:16 am

      (You’re mileage may vary – check the law in your area for specifics.)

      “And, in local news, there was an armed stand-off involving police and a customer armed with plastic bags at a Ralphs supermarket in Pasadena earlier this morning. After repeated calls for the customer to drop his groceries and come out with his hands up, a police sniper took him out with a gunshot to the forehead.”

      One of my children ended up at Waterloo University in Canada, they made you pay 10 cents per bag. I suspect that was another tax going to the Canadian gov. Canadian prices are outlandish.

      You cn also buy them in bulk at any Smart and FInal Cash and Carry,also called Chef Store in many areas. NO membership or proof of business ownership required any more. They are incredibly cheap in bulk packs, too.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair | February 15, 2024 at 8:07 am

The legislation requires that by Jan. 1, 2028, at least 30% of plastic items sold, distributed or imported into the state be recyclable

LOL.

The recycle scam is even worse than thee plastic ban scam. Most “recyclables” end up sitting in foreign landfills or being burned as fuel in foreign countries … all at added cost to us. Very few things are practically (and profitably, or even not overly expensively) recyclable.

Meanwhile, we use the “single use” plastic bags from the stores for all sorts of stuff around my house. The best ones are from the State Stores – heavy duty and very nice – too nice, really … which is what you get when the state runs a so-called business and no one cares about making money.

How about getting rid of one no-use old bag- Nancy Pelosi?

The Gentle Grizzly | February 15, 2024 at 8:24 am

“…used those bags for feces control.”

Were the bags limited to a ten turd capacity?

Were they assault feces?

Were they fitted with flash suppressors?

    E Howard Hunt in reply to The Gentle Grizzly. | February 15, 2024 at 8:41 am

    Let’s update that Broderick Crawford classic TV show, Highway Patrol, with a series showing how brave men and women and whatever keep California streets safe. Call it Feces Control “Floater found in Church Street fountain. Approach with caution. Roger that.”

      The Gentle Grizzly in reply to E Howard Hunt. | February 15, 2024 at 9:25 am

      Wow, E. Howard… you bring back some memories! ZIV Studios I think it was, filmed a lot of outdoor scenes of Highway Patrol on Canyon Drive and the surrounding park areas of Griffith Park back when I was just a cub.

      I met Crawford during a break in filming. He was sitting in one of the Nash (!) Highway Patrol cars just off Canyon; I think on Carolus Drive.

      (Trivia: the radio and TV writers Gil and Ann Dowd lived on that street. They wrote a lot of the Gunsmoke scripts among others.)

      Crawford was quite a pleasant man.

        NASH CHP patrol car? Nah.. only on film.
        I lived in California from 1947 through 1975 and back on a regular basis up until the WooFlew made going into that state a fool’s errand. And I never once saw a NASH CHP cruiser.
        Mostly Plymouth Fury four doors before that Mercury sedans (early 1950’s, had superchargers on them and they ere FAST They adopted the Ford Mustang Two with the five litre V8 for use in the northern stretches of I 5 where the road is somewhat twisty. Got tired of never being able to catch the hot doggers in their ‘fast’ cars. Those ‘Stangs were specially prepared for speed AND handling. They more than paid for themselves in increased revenue for a while. I also seem to remember a series of Ford Crown Vics with large 390 V8’s and multiple carburetters.
        One of my uncles had bought a surplussed 1956 Mercury four door sedan with some monstrous overfed V8 angine in it. They had taken he supercharger off, not wanting those to be too common ‘out there”. But Uncle just got a twin four barrel manifold and pair of appropriate carburetters. It had a three speed column shift with Ford’s very successful overdrive. He had had that car out to about 125 mph more than once. Wouldn;t do it with us in the car, though.. no seatbelts yet.

      alaskabob in reply to E Howard Hunt. | February 15, 2024 at 12:20 pm

      Or… “Streets of San Francisco” with a new stand in for Michael Douglas.

    Judging by the feces warning maps in SanFran, I don’t think many of them are too concerned with “feces control.”

      BierceAmbrose in reply to Dimsdale. | February 15, 2024 at 10:01 pm

      Wait, what?

      SanFran is awash in feces because Gov Hairgel banned the pick up the poo bags?

      Sometimes unintended consequences are pretty crappy.

    SeiteiSouther in reply to The Gentle Grizzly. | February 15, 2024 at 10:14 am

    We need common sense feces control.

    not_a_lawyer in reply to The Gentle Grizzly. | February 15, 2024 at 5:43 pm

    Yeah that sentence caught my eye as well.

I don’t really disagree but still I got some damn good plastic bags. That I didn’t use for feces.

I was disappointed when the kraft paper bags were eliminated in favor of plastic bags that held 4 items on average instead of one quarter of that visit’s purchases. I was astounded at the lack of reason involved in substituting oil-based plastics for recyclable paper to save the earth.

    I just buy the heavy duty paper bags on Amazon or eBay. The ones with handles. They fit my garbage can in the kitchen perfectly and make taking out the garbage fast, clean, and easy. I’m sure the guys who have to cart it tot he truck appreciate it, too.

    nordic prince in reply to Halcyon Daze. | February 15, 2024 at 1:09 pm

    Ditto that. The brown paper bags were perfect for making book covers for my textbooks.

    henrybowman in reply to Halcyon Daze. | February 15, 2024 at 1:55 pm

    The earth makes oil. The earth makes trees. Cut to astronaut faced with two buttons.

    WHYEVER were you astounded at that? Whenever government meddle in anything there is trouble, and a worse outcome that never seems to get resolved until government get out of it… which hasn’t happened since Greenland was.. well, Green… roses, vineyards, sheep.,towns, …..

Bring that legislation over here. Our plastic bags are too thin and flimsy and seem to be getting thinner!

Do dishwashing detergent. We went from using phosphates that work to something else, plus a rinse aid.

    The Gentle Grizzly in reply to Valerie. | February 15, 2024 at 11:53 am

    Oddly enough, I’m having no problems with the current dishwasher detergents. I get the packets or the tablets; the pour-out-of-the-box stuff is rubbish now, when it wasn’t before. I won’t use the semi-liquid in the bottles; I don’t want clay clogging my plumbing.

    I learned an interesting fact about the packets and tablets. The separate parts are not an appearance gimmick. It is that some ingredients can’t be combined from the factory because they won’t last. When the packet melts or the tablet dissolves, the ingredients combine and work fine. Enzymes or something. Buy the good ones on sale.

      Just think of it as ANFO for your dishwasher. It’s Science™!

        The Gentle Grizzly in reply to henrybowman. | February 15, 2024 at 6:31 pm

        ANFO?

          .

          Ammonia Nitrate/Fuel Oil

          It is relatively easy to produce ammonium nitrate/fuel oil (ANFO) by obtaining the ingredients or by improvising them. Ammonium nitrate (AN) and fuel oil are widely accessible and relatively inexpensive, and neither is classified as an explosive. AN is sold at farming supply stores and its widespread availability makes it a likely target for theft or purchase by criminals and terrorists. The same is true of the AN precursors ammonium hydroxide and nitric acid… ANFO was used during the 1995 terrorist attack on the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, OK.

Simplicity and efficiency win….

IF (big if) you want to reduce an activity or use of a resource tax it at the source. In this case, a tax on all petroleum products would raise the cost of plastic bags ceteris paribus. And consequently reduce the use of those bags in the most efficient way possible. People who placed a high value on the bags would pay the higher price.

I disagree vehemently with taxing petroleum products any more than they are. But, if there was a credible reason like saving adequate stocks of US oil for the day it runs out, taxing all oil products would be the way to go. Even more efficient would be using the new tax revenue to fund a tax credit to producers to compensate them for new exploration that adds to US oil reserves.

But the bottom line is the grocery bag war is not about rational thought. Its about EMOTION and Narratives.

There is no problem with disposable plastic grocery bags. They’re a God send: Cheap, tough, sanitary, light. Imagine how many tons of food and other grocery store items have been saved from breaking/spilling/being thrown away by having the awesome convenience of disposable plastic bags. That doesn’t even touch on the value of convenience. And people DO find ways to get more use out of those bags. Its a great way to package pet waste for disposal. People also use it to collect other wet, nasty unsanitary things that need to go in the trash. And they’re never 100% sealed so the contents do decompose in the landfill.

We should all cheer the creative geniuses that first gave us these great conveniences – plastic grocery bags!

    LibraryGryffon in reply to Finn Harp. | February 15, 2024 at 11:26 am

    I still have some small non-kitchen trash containers I got at Walmart which have notches in the rims to loop the old plastic shopping bags over when using hlthem as liners. When the bin was ready to empty, you just pulled up on the bag handles, tied them off, put it in the bin at the curb, and hung a new bag for the next week.

    I miss those.

    henrybowman in reply to Finn Harp. | February 15, 2024 at 2:01 pm

    I dunno. We reuse grocery bags all the time for wastebasket liners. About a third of them can’t be reused because they’ve already developed holes. Decades ago, we did the same thing with paper bags, and they had a much lower failure rate.

    Oregon Mike in reply to Finn Harp. | February 15, 2024 at 4:57 pm

    Finn Harp, I’m giving you a “thumbs up” for using “ceteris paribus” in a sentence!!! As well as for the rest of your comment too, of course!

    Anyhow …

    I’m so old I can remember having to line our old galvanized steel garbage cans with newspapers. I’m also so old that I used to line the trash can under the sink with the flimsy plastic bags brought home from the grocery store. The State of Western Oregon, in its flimsy wisdom, now forces me to buy much thicker plastic trash bags from Bi-Mart for the same purpose. Not much planet saving going on there ….

      Tionico in reply to Oregon Mike. | February 17, 2024 at 1:56 am

      find a Cash and Carry/Chef’s Store. they carry a wide selection of plastic bags, types, sizes, gauge….. BiMart are great for a lot of things but in some categories lcsk selection.

Fat_Freddys_Cat | February 15, 2024 at 10:32 am

Alas, some people have yet to understand that a policy should not be evaluated based on the stated good intentions of its creators (generously assuming that their intentions are genuinely good), but rather on the incentives the policy creates or reinforces.

So, doing the math, if CA simply repealed their bag ban and stores brought back the thin single-use bags, plastic bag use would eventually revert back to 4.08 tons per thousand. This would represent a 31% reduction from where things stand today. In any sane world, something that reduces plastic by 31% and makes life easier would be a no brainer win-win thing to do. But the CA government is far from sane. Someone put it well – “democrats are ok with whatever people do, as long as it’s mandatory and anything not mandatory is banned.”

    Tionico in reply to jimincalif. | February 17, 2024 at 1:58 am

    You fail to make account for one factor: state nannies GOTTA nanny or they just are NOT doing that for which they were created.

destroycommunism | February 15, 2024 at 10:57 am

lefty creates the problems and then blames everyone and everything else

Impressive! Who governs that state? We should draft him for president!!!

Can’t wait to see this one on Reason’s next Great Moments in Unintended Consequences video. “Sound like a great idea! With the best of intentions! What could possibly go wrong?”

Plastic bags at the check out were banned, but just walk down the aisle where you could buy any size or type of Hefty Plastic Trash or Storage bags.

Plus you have plastic bags in the produce department – but they are Green…

Our city provides single-use doggy poop bags free of charge at doggy poop bag dispensers in our city parks.

Dog walkers scoop poop into the bags and then toss the bags into the grass and bushes along the park paths. In the summer those loaded bags ferment.

Verboten: single use bags for groceries.

PS: the homeowner’s assoc. down the street offer free poo bags from dispensers. The young dog walking girls (with iPhones stuck to their faces) scoop the poo, tie the bag, and dump them at the bases of utility poles.

A neighbor had enough of it and screwed a huge placard “stop dumping your dog @#$&* here” to the “fav” utility pole dump site.

I started picking them up and dropping them in front of their communal mail cabinet.

It’s a conspiracy by big-bag.

With plastic grocery bags banned, you have to buy single-purpose single-use bags for the stuff grocery bags were re-used for.

Meanwhile, depending on what you measure, paper grocery bags are worse for the enviornment.

    BierceAmbrose in reply to BierceAmbrose. | February 15, 2024 at 10:18 pm

    Practically, Before The Big Bag Ban (BtBBB) many grocery stores here in NY State had bag recycling bins outside their front doors. People would return their collected single-use bags en masse.

    Politically, under constituent pressure — lobbying groups, not individuals inconvenienced — The People’s Republic of NY put in exceptions to tBBB for convenience stores by some definitions, and prepared food take out.

    henrybowman in reply to BierceAmbrose. | February 16, 2024 at 4:38 am

    “It’s a conspiracy by big-bag.”
    Don’t get me started on shrinkwrap-flation.

Here’s a thought— Maybe the government doesn’t need to be making laws about what people carry their purchases home in.

The Cereal State (full of fruits, nuts and flakes) is a classic example of WHAT NOT to do to improve your state. Everything they do, every law they pass, every biological, geographical and logical principle they ignore, only brings more misery to an already miserable state. “Recycling” is another scam that is ridiculous. Most of it winds up in landfills anyway or is sold to other countries for their use.

I have some experience with this issue locally, but I see that I am at the tail end of a 61-comment thread.

thalesofmiletus | February 17, 2024 at 9:28 am

I just buy my own t-shirt bags. Twenty dollars for a thousand. Haven’t run out yet.