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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis Suspends Presidential Campaign, Endorses Trump

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis Suspends Presidential Campaign, Endorses Trump

“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” – Winston Churchill

Florida governor Ron DeSantis has suspended his presidential campaign and endorsed Trump.

DeSantis’ message is clear: he wants to move America forward, rejects the disastrous progressive neo-con Bush-Cheney-Haley war-mongering, “compassionate conservative” message for Trump’s (and his) America First agenda and defeat the disastrous FJB administration.


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Conservative Beaner | January 21, 2024 at 3:48 pm

And then there were two.

Smart move. Saw him last week and thought if only he had waited. He may well be the VP pick, still.

    DeSantis can do far more good as Governor of FL than he can as VP.

      The thing is, Trump is no spring chicken and DeSantis is probably the best person in line. Not to mention the learning experience. Donalds could do a good job in Florida with his experience.

        I don’t see DeSantis agreeing to be beta to Trump’s alpha. Just don’t see it. It’s stupid on every level and would lose him support (including from me).

          DeSantis cannot be VP. Trump lists himself from Florida, and the VP cannot be from the same state.

          Putting the overexxageration aside, not saying it will be, or should be, but it would not be a surprise. And for someone that wants him to be president, seems strange you would stop supporting him if that happened.

          I am not a cultist. When someone I support goes off the rails, I am done. It’s not hard. We used to call it having principles, values, and moral fiber. Trump has none, and if DeSantis jumps on that train, he doesn’t either, and so, quite easily, I am done. Easy peasey. These are politicians, not gods, and when they show their true colors, I react accordingly.

          I supported Rubio until he joined the Gang of 8 to push amnesty, then I was done. Same thing, show me you are a sell-out loser, and I am done. Pols are a dime a dozen, and we are not beholden to them, they are not our rulers or our heroes or our gods, they are supposed to REPRESENT us, not RULE us. I have zero attachment to any elected official, and I am highly suspect of anyone who holds mere politicians up as some kind of god to whom we pledge our undying loyalty. That’s screwed up. And wrong. And unAmerican.

          Johnny Cache in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | January 21, 2024 at 5:05 pm

          Oracle, it only affects the electors of the particular state involved. Florida could not vote for a president with a residence in Florida and a vice president with a residence in Florida. Everyone else in America could vote for them.

          The easy fix is for one to change a residence. Before 2000, Cheney and Bush both claimed Texas as their residence. Cheney moved.

          Now you are alleging cultism. Nice.

          I said that I am not a cultist, and I am not. I don’t blindly follow, support, and vote for anyone. Ever. They have to earn my vote and my loyalty every single day. It’s not hard.

          If you thought I was talking about you, that’s on you. And quite interesting, really, no?

          Johnny Cache in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | January 21, 2024 at 5:06 pm

          *Electors in Florida could not vote for both

          Your implication, after the antagonistic approach, seemed clear. Yes, you are not a cultist. No one said you were, but it seemed odd you would stop support of him if that happened. Which you said.

          No way will he be VP. I also don’t see it. Look for something else. Lake will make a good Senator as Trump said and is more valuable there. I’m looking for something else like Noem or even Vivek. My first hope is Tulsi as I like her although don’t agree with her on most things but she is principled, smart and reasonable. A split ticket would be a stroke of genius I think. The idea of her getting on the stage again with Heel’s Up Harris gives me a “Fuzzy” feeling inside. Epic.

          chrisboltssr in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | January 21, 2024 at 5:27 pm

          He already was a beta to Trump’s alpha.

          “I don’t see DeSantis agreeing to be beta to Trump’s alpha. Just don’t see it. It’s stupid on every level and would lose him support (including from me).”

          Why would DeSantis need Democrats support? He’s turned Florida deep red.

          JohnSmith100 in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | January 21, 2024 at 6:03 pm

          DeSantis ego has cost him, I would be surprised if Trump wanted DeSantis now. Depending on Trump’s VP pick, DeSantis might have to wait some time to take a crack at the presidency

          More importantly Trump would be a fool to forfeit the electoral votes of Florida.

          If Cheney had remained a Texas resident George W Bush would have lost to Al Gore.

          I agree with you it would be bad for everyone involved, it could also potentially gift the election to Biden.

          Milhouse in reply to Danny. | January 21, 2024 at 8:52 pm

          If Cheney had remained a Texas resident George W Bush would have lost to Al Gore.

          No, he wouldn’t have. Bush would have won 271 to 266. The vice presidential vote would have resulted in a 3-way split: Lieberman 266, Cheney 239, some other Republican 32; then it would have gone to the senate, where Lieberman would have won 51 to 50, with help from Algore’s casting vote.

          The following is purely a theoretical exercise.

          Supposing Trump and Desantis did agree to run as a team, and suppose neither of them relocated to a different state in order to enable Florida’s electors to vote for both, if the ticket won Trump would definitely become president. Desantis’s position would depend on how big the margin was:

          If there were at least 299 Republican electors, no problem. Trump wins 299-239, Desantis wins 269-239-30. If there were not 299 but there were at least 285, still no problem. 15 of Florida’s electors vote for Trump and someone else, and 15 vote for someone else and Desantis. Trump and Desantis each win 270-253-15.

          If the R electoral count is under 285, then it depends on how the congressional election turns out. If the Rs have a majority in the incoming senate, then all the FL electors vote for Trump and someone else, and the VP election goes to the senate, which elects Desantis. If the Ds get at least 50 senators, plus Harris’s casting vote, but the Rs take the majority of state delegations in the House, then the FL electors vote for someone and Desantis, Desantis wins outright, and the presidential vote goes to the House, which elects Trump.

          Of course if the R total is fewer than 269 electors then the election is lost and there’s nothing to discuss.

          I wrote:

          If there were at least 299 Republican electors, no problem. Trump wins 299-239, Desantis wins 269-239-30.

          Oops. 269 is not a majority, so one R elector would have to vote for Desantis and not Trump. With 300 they could all vote for Trump.

          healthguyfsu in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | January 22, 2024 at 11:11 am

          Being Trump’s VP is career suicide

        Donalds could do a good job in Florida with his experience.

        Who’s Donalds? Desantis’s replacement in Florida, if he were to become vice president, would be Jeanette Nuñez, who I don’t think would do anywhere near the job Desantis has done.

          It was a story regarding 2026. Fortunately, the mistake does not matter because of what occurred today.

          Milhouse in reply to Milhouse. | January 21, 2024 at 9:22 pm

          I still don’t know who is Donalds.

          From the story mentioned, last September, entitled: ‘He’s 100% in’: Matt Gaetz widely expected to run for Florida governor

          “The issue also briefly put him at public odds with U.S. Rep. Byron Donalds, R-Fla., a Trump ally who is also eyeing a potential bid for governor in 2026.”

          Milhouse in reply to Milhouse. | January 22, 2024 at 12:30 am

          Ah, that explains it. But that isn’t till 2026. Nuñez would be governor for 2 years, and would then come into the election as the incumbent.

          As mentioned, an aside based on a mistake. The gist here was that it would not surprise if Trump would consider, even take DeSantis, and why. Certainly not a recommendation, although it foreseeable iin the environment that it would create a dumb argument. Tiresome.

          Sultan in reply to Milhouse. | January 22, 2024 at 10:14 am

          I would like to see DeSantis as Trump’s Attorney General.

          BTW, Byron Donalds is my Congressman. He is tremendous. I would hate to lose him but he definitely iOS destined for much bigger things.

        Trump is no spring chicken

        Biden is nearly four years older, and in worse shape, and yet he hasn’t fallen off the perch yet.

          What does that have to do with the price of cheese. This place is strange. Saying Trump is no spring chicken (which he isn’t) is not saying he is Biden-like, or that anything should befall him. People write wills, too. So why even bring it up. Or do you contend Trump is a spring chicken?

          Milhouse in reply to Milhouse. | January 21, 2024 at 9:26 pm

          The topic is why Desantis would agree to be Trump’s running mate. It seems like a crazy decision to make, but you suggested that he might want to do it because Trump is no spring chicken. The only way I can interpret that is that he might want to do it in order to be in the right position in case Trump can’t continue. And my reply is that it would be stupid to count on that happening, as evidenced by Biden, who’s older and in worse shape and yet has so far confounded Harris’s hopes.

          Actually, the spring chicken remark regarded Trump’s foreward thinking, not DeSantis’s, especially if Trump believes that DeSantis could carry the torch going forward.

          robertthomason in reply to Milhouse. | January 22, 2024 at 11:39 pm

          Just like the Norwegian Blue.

      ChrisPeters in reply to Paul. | January 21, 2024 at 10:53 pm

      Agreed. Time serving as VP would be time wasted for DeSantis.

      SDN in reply to Paul. | January 22, 2024 at 8:26 am

      Problem is he’s term-limited as Gov and leaves office in 2026. Now, by then, he may be starting to spin up DeSantis 2028.

    No way would trump pick him as VP.

Oh wow…

Yet the Third placed finisher stays in cause she has all the money fromDNC, WEF, etc…

Close The Fed | January 21, 2024 at 3:51 pm

I’ve contributed to him, and hesitated in this last week to give more. Glad I waited.

Close The Fed | January 21, 2024 at 3:52 pm

I still believe he’s sooo much better than Trump. If Trump fails again on the fence, immigration, etc., I’ll be a “told you so.”

Close The Fed | January 21, 2024 at 3:53 pm

Also, I hope he doesn’t insult anybody as important as John McCain was, for getting obamacare repealed.

    Oh Jesus , you think that’s why he voted that way?

    You haven’t looked at his bank account

    I do have to say I thought that was a ridiculous thing to say, by President Trump, much worse than anything he said before or after

    Regardless that McCain was a traitor to the American people AFTER he came

    He was a War Hero and tortured for 5 years in a useless war, even had opportunity to come home but refused till all came home

    For that we owed him respect

      starride in reply to gonzotx. | January 21, 2024 at 5:46 pm

      The issue with McCain was he was using his status as a POW to avoid criticism to his record in congress. McCain was just McConnell’s hatchet man and quite frankly he showed his colors when he fostered and shopped around the pee pee dossier.

      AF_Chief_Master_Sgt in reply to gonzotx. | January 21, 2024 at 6:44 pm

      McCain didn’t see a vagina that he wouldn’t touch. He was well known as an officer who frequently chased after enlisted women. For Senior NCOs like myself, it is a violation of the UCMJ to have intimate relationships between officers and enlisted. He violated that sacred trust.

      There is NOTHING that John McCain can do that permits me to respect him in any way, shape, or form.

      JohnSmith100 in reply to gonzotx. | January 21, 2024 at 6:45 pm

      Have you ever heard of every one does right earns them an at a-boy, everything they do wrong is an aww-shit, it cancels all previous at-a-boys.

      Danny in reply to gonzotx. | January 21, 2024 at 8:39 pm

      He was not a traitor he was a politician with views out of sync with most of his party. The term traitor is becoming on the right what racist/fascist is on the left.

      All is fair in war

As a Trump guy (not a “cultist”, thank you very much), I am disappointed. I really wanted to see RDS bring it, to sharpen the issues and force Trump to up his game while building his own political capital. If he had run rings around the Don and taken the prize, that would have been fine too. Hopefully a couple more seasons in the Florida State League will tune him up for the bigs.

What they’re not telling you is that it was my tweet that broke the camel’s back 🙂 🙂 🙂

As a Floridian who works with the local Republican Party in voter registration and who lives in Ron’s old Congressional District, almost every voter would tell us Trump for president and DeSantis remaining as governor. Well, now Ron knows it!

Also, we knew Ron and Casey used his congressional run as a stepping stone for the White House. What they forgot is that he using his re-election for governor did not sit well with many of us here. The governor has work to do here and right the ship and get back to being the Nations Governor.

    Ghostrider in reply to natdj. | January 21, 2024 at 4:12 pm

    True. Florida needs DeSantis more now to finish his second term and ensure a Democrat is never elected as Governor of Florida in the future

      TargaGTS in reply to Ghostrider. | January 22, 2024 at 7:13 am

      If we don’t win the White House this fall, the Dems will almost certainly take back the House and keep the Senate. Then, within weeks of Biden’s 2nd Inauguration (or the first Inauguration of the person who might actually be on the ballot), the Dems will nuke the filibuster and enact Amnesty. Florida – like Texas & Georgia – will become reliably blue states no matter who the GOP gubernatorial candidates might be.

    gonzotx in reply to natdj. | January 21, 2024 at 4:25 pm

    You know I never really get this reasoning, almost all candidates run for higher office WHILE in office

    Of course you have to be able to juggle both, but outside of President Trump, who else was successful without being in office

    I loved Obama and his 6 weeks in the senate, probably a stolen election

    No one believes for one second that you know anything or are involved in anything or have any insider knowledge. Everything you write about DeSantis is and has been wrong. Dead wrong, He’s out now, so just stop with the posturing and fakery. It’s transparently fantastical. Just stop.

      Right or wrong you’re making a lot of enemies here on LI tonight

      It also says a lot about if he actually cares about issues.

      Frankly with DeSantis’ record if you hated him because you felt Trump is owed a coronation fine.

      He is out now if you are still trying to destroy his career…….Disney would sure be grateful if you could.

      To clarify I wasn’t directing the part about Disney would be grateful at you it was meant to be directed at nat

      Hmmm….you know I am right that’s why you are angry and it shows. What is even better is that three of the four counties Ron was a Congressman voted to endorse Trump. Lake and St. John’s Republican Executive Committee both instituted a Rule 8 endorsement and Trump won both by over 95% of the vote. In Volusia, a straw poll was taken with the members of the Republican Executive Committee and Trump won with over 82% of the vote. But hey, I know nothing, right? Like my homeowners insurance has more than doubled in 3 years (tell my 92 year old mom on a fixed income that is acceptable). Property taxes are skyrocketing and rent is way too high. Yes, Biden is nit getting off but Ron does not walk on water. Get over it. He is NOT Jesus.

      Believe it or not, I credit the governor with a lot of good things. Though he was my congressman and had one bill passed of substance, I give credit where credit is due. Now, the question for you is do give credit where due of Trump?

      Well, go soak in your tears. Ron is back where he belongs which is in the governor’s mansion in Tallahassee. But hey, I know nothing right?

    Danny in reply to natdj. | January 21, 2024 at 8:32 pm

    And what work hasn’t he been doing?

    The getting new laws, dealing with natural disasters, dealing with budget issues, booting bad local leadership leading the country in fighting for the institutions of society, making Florida a very pro-life state.

    Republicans of any other state would be overjoyed to trade their active governor for your do nothing running for president guy.

After Iowa results and NH polling the writing was on the wall. The key challenge DeSantis faced was running in the same lane as DJT. He provided an alternative style to DJT and IMO was more likely to achieve results but the GoP electorate is fixed upon Trump. So be it, we gotta accept it and unify.

Now we come together in the primary to make sure Haley’s campaign goes down into flames, slamming the door on neocon, pro amnesty, forever war, big gov’t and big business candidates. Then we mist remain united, run through the tape all the way to inauguration day and put Biden and the d/prog out of the WH.

This election is too important to do otherwise. IMO, staying home or worse pulling the lever for Biden puts critical reform out of reach. Handing Biden and the d/prog another 4 years in control of the Executive Branch gives them judicial appointments including maybe 3 SCOTUS nominations, open borders @ 2 million+ per year, all sorts of regulations, green new deal boondoggles, activists in charge at DoJ, IRS, SEC, mountains more debt among other things. Too much additional damage will be done before we get another shot in ’28 if we stumble in ’24.

    Olinser in reply to CommoChief. | January 21, 2024 at 4:45 pm

    No, the key challenge he faced was the fact that he had explicitly and repeatedly promised to NOT run for President when he was campaigning for governor, and then he had them pass a special law to let him run for President while remaining governor (prior to that he would have been forced to resign as governor).

    Then, he spent way too much time listening to ‘consultants’ from DC telling him that Trump wasn’t akshaully winning.

    Trump consistently polled over 50%. In order to win, DeSantis had to convince Trump voters to switch from Trump to0 him. He never made any real attempt to do that, instead running a campaign that seemed directed at ‘independent’ or ‘undecided’ voters. And of course the NeverTrump crew threw him overboard for their preferred RINO Haley the second she seemed viable.

    DeSantis simply didn’t run a very good campaign. It’s good that he’s dropped out and endorsed Trump, but I think his breaking his campaign promise to NOT try and go for President left a bad taste in a lot of people’s mouths.

    I think he’d make a good President (certainly better than that idiot Haley), but I think he’s destroyed his 2028 chances.

      willow in reply to Olinser. | January 21, 2024 at 5:06 pm

      Excellent comment all around and pretty much summarizes my thoughts. If he had waited, Trump would have supported him for 2028. Who else is there? Vivek draws a certain crowd but not enough. There may be unknown or maybe a retread from the past. However, there were so many people who wanted him to wait, but he allowed himself to be used.

      Danny in reply to Olinser. | January 21, 2024 at 8:35 pm

      Your not entitled to your own planet. Because the first thing you claimed (DeSantis promised not to run) was a bold faced lie told be a person who knew it was a lie I didn’t bother with the rest of your screed.

      Milhouse in reply to Olinser. | January 21, 2024 at 10:24 pm

      he had explicitly and repeatedly promised to NOT run for President when he was campaigning for governor,

      Please cite at least one instance of his making such a promise.

        luckydog in reply to Milhouse. | January 22, 2024 at 2:29 pm

        1) Sep 29, 2021: “I’m not considering anything beyond doing my job. We got a lot of stuff going on in Florida. I’m going to be running for reelection next year,” the Republican told Fox News host Sean Hannity.

        • see video:

          henrybowman in reply to luckydog. | January 22, 2024 at 4:17 pm

          Yeah. That’s weasel-worded. “I’m not considering it”… right this moment. But I could always change my mind later.

          Milhouse in reply to luckydog. | January 23, 2024 at 1:37 am

          That’s not a promise. It’s not even a statement that he won’t run. It’s also not even during his reelection campaign.

          It means exactly what it says: Right now all I’m thinking about is governing Florida. The only election on my horizon is next year, when I intend to run for reelection. I’m not even thinking about 2024. I have no idea what I might be doing then, any more than I’ve made plans for 2034 or 2044.

          Still waiting for even one instance supporting Olinser’s claim that during his reelection campaign Desantis “explicitly and repeatedly promised to NOT run for President”. I don’t believe he ever made such a promise.

          Milhouse in reply to luckydog. | January 23, 2024 at 1:39 am

          It’s not weasel-worded, it’s a completely reasonable statement. There’s no prospect of him “changing his mind”, because he hasn’t made it up in the first place, because he hasn’t even taken time to seriously consider it. In 2021 he would not have had any serious plans for 2024; it was too early for him to make any. Sure, he probably had a few idle thoughts, but that’s all.

      CommoChief in reply to Olinser. | January 22, 2024 at 12:09 pm

      We keep hearing this claim about a promise to the voters NOT to run in ’24 but folks making the claim don’t offer the proof.

      As much as this gets passed around surely y’all have a sound bite of DeSantis explicitly saying he would not run for President in ’24. That no one ever produces one undercuts the claim and the credibility of those making the claim.

    diver64 in reply to CommoChief. | January 21, 2024 at 5:27 pm

    The writing was on the wall from the start. The only thing anyone was trying to do was hang in long enough to see if Trump was put in jail. Trump has consistently polled 30pts or more in the lead. No one else had a chance. They all knew what they were doing. Christie was the big money leftist clown trying to take Trump out but when Trump refused to play nothing was going to happen for him. Haley is the WEF/Professional Republican Swamp pick to keep the good time beltway action going. Vivek got his idea’s out and is a Trump supporter from day one. I like him. DeSantis is a great Governor, maybe the best in the country, and got his name out in public for down the road. Tim Scott is a good man and Trump would not be disserved by asking him to be VP.

      Danny in reply to diver64. | January 21, 2024 at 8:36 pm

      It was on the wall from his indictment by Alvin Bragg on wards. Prior to that Trump was well he had a tough fight before that.

    Remember the great achievements and influence of Joe Biden during the Obama Administration? Neither do I.

Maritime Birdbrain;
How quickly she plummeted.
Albatross, cast off.

VP DeSantis,
One devil of a ticket.
Gates of Hell…open!

    diver64 in reply to MarkS. | January 21, 2024 at 5:29 pm

    She is only benefitting right now from the states that let people change their party affiliation to vote in the primary. All of her action is from Professional Republicans and leftists that hate Trump and hope pushing her will make her win if Trump is put in prison.

Haley must decide if she wants to become Liz Cheney. She’s well on her way.

    Haley is the embodiment of the Bush-Cheney war-mongering progressive right. Well on her way? She bent a knee to antifa and BLM, what more proof do you need?

    Haley is delusional and fixated on what’s the best soundbite for her. She’s grossly overrated and pathetic

      We will see. NH, perhaps, will be an awakening for her current ambition. Then we will see who steps up next.

        Haley will not, cannot, win the GOP nomination. Why on earth are you supporting her? She’s the opposite of Trump in most ways (though they both love them some ‘trans rights’ and some abortion); she’s a stealth Liz Cheney, yet you are wasting your cred on this waffling nonsense. We don’t have to wait and see, Haley will NEVER be the GOP nominee. The GOP base AND the MAGA base (except you, apparently) hates her. And with good reason.

          Talking about someone means supporting them? Odd.

          The comment was pretty nondescript, saying Haley would have to decide whether to continue, at the risk of becoming like Cheney.

          To imply that means “supporting” her is RIDICULOUS! Why do you inject such things? Uncalled for.

          It’s not like others will not be asking the same question.

          It’s a problem here. Going off subject to instigate. Wish it would stop.

          henrybowman in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | January 21, 2024 at 9:52 pm

          “Haley will NEVER be the GOP nominee. The GOP base AND the MAGA base (except you, apparently) hates her.”

          Joe Biden got nominated by the D swampies in absolute disregard for who their “base” actually voted for.
          So don’t say the R swampies couldn’t do the same if they wanted. And they do.
          Remember who occupies their catbird seat — a Romney, not a Paul.

        Haley is pure evil, she would sell
        Her mother if that’s what it took for her ambitions

        How can you speak her name?

          Thanks for the laugh. Guess we can pretend she does not exist. The response to her is way overblown. There are better things to do than waste emotions on her. That does not mean she is not part of the campaign and will have to decide just like DeSantis has.

          diver64 in reply to gonzotx. | January 21, 2024 at 5:31 pm

          She is not evil. She just knows where the money is. Those are two different things. Haley has no moral center, she just sticks the finger in the wind like Cheney or Manchin and rolls with it.

      gonzotx in reply to Ghostrider. | January 21, 2024 at 4:22 pm

      Yet her sound bites are so God awful, always saying the wrong thing

as stated before
she is gonna be the nominee
forced thru endless votes at the convention.
gets 10% of the national vote
and gets Biden (or whoever they put in) and then gets a nice
ambassadorship somewhere.

I’m guessing Trump wins bigly in NH, and Haley drops out after that.

As I have said several times before, my biggest fear is something happens to 78-year old Trump and Haley manages to win the nomination at a brokered convention. I’m not sure how many states in the GOP primary have proportional allotment of delegates. Whatever that number is, I PRAY that Haley never meets the minimum threshold requirement to win a single delegate….just in case.

I’ll be happy to support Ron in 2028, but Trump has unfinished business. Glad that Youngkin stayed out, he’s another one I’ll consider for the next go round.

    henrybowman in reply to rbj1. | January 21, 2024 at 9:55 pm

    Indeed. I think Ron deserved to do better, but it is what it is. I look forward to seeing him on the ticket again in years to come (if I last that long).

    healthguyfsu in reply to rbj1. | January 22, 2024 at 11:19 am

    If Trump loses this one and runs again in 2028 will you still support someone other than Trump?

    This is pretty much the litmus test for Trump Cultism.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair | January 21, 2024 at 4:39 pm

Good for DeSantis. It’s a little bit late but that’s okay. He’s a good conservative and has a very bright future. Running in this primary might have been justifiable, in the beginning, but it was clearly a mistake as the dems sicced every arm of government on Trump and as he rose in the GOP primary polls.

We always needed DeSantis more to stay in Florida and keep doing the great job he has been – and to lead GOP governors. He can go for federal positions after he terms out.

Nikki Haley is toast, though. She is, clearly, just trying to throw a wrench in the works and serves no useful purpose. She has no real record she is running on – nothing that any conservative would be enthusiastic about (to put it mildly) – and has no business in the primary, dragging this out. She’s a useful idiot, at best.

And, on a pet peeve level, I cannot stand the way Haley is constantly flailing her free arm around in weird, non-stop gestures that make her look like a sign language interpreter on acid. It’s really, really annoying … and weird. I don’t understand why no one has mentioned this. It’s the strangest thing. The free arm never stops moving – ever! In non-sensical gestures.

This is a sad day for me, because it is the end of America and the freedom that I have loved for the past 70 years of my life. Yes, Trump will win the Republican nomination. And then he will lose the general election because he can’t win the Independents and suburban women voters. And after he loses he will once again claim his loss is do to fraudulent elections. Lather, rinse, and repeat. And then there will be massive nationwide riots because Trump will never concede that he lost the election again as he lost in the past. The military will be mobilized to put down the rebellion, and that will be the end of America as we know it. America will no longer exist, as Biden and the Democrats will turn our Republic into a total socialist Republic. Trump will galvanize his base during the election, but remember that the majority of American voters do not identify as Republicans or Democrats. After Trump loses, he will retreat to his multi-billionaire dollar lifestyle, as you suffer as working class and middle class Americans. Trump won’t care, because he can live off his billions of dollars while you struggle to pay for groceries. Thank you fucking donald trump.

    willow in reply to JR. | January 21, 2024 at 5:09 pm

    Yes, let’s bow down to the Independents and suburban women voters. There are still people who do not vote that can be tapped. We do not have 100 percent participation as voters. Thank Cornpop for the struggles.

    Well, no. There will not be nationwide riots if (when?) Trump loses, that’s crazy talk. That’s not how the right, even the Trump cultist right, behaves. You are stressing out about something that will never happen. Relax.

    starride in reply to JR. | January 21, 2024 at 5:52 pm

    Suburban women voters are looking hard at their grocery bills right now. A lot of them also manage the household finances and are looking at the cost of living today verses 4 years ago.

    AF_Chief_Master_Sgt in reply to JR. | January 21, 2024 at 7:05 pm


    You paint a picture derived solely from your syphillitic delusions.

    70 + years old, and dumber than a box of rocks.

      In fairness there is some correlation between gender and voting patterns.

      Women went for Biden 57% v DJT 42%.
      ‘Moderates’ went for Biden 64% v DJT 34%.

      College educated women were more likely to vote Biden. Especially so for white, college educated women. Even more so for single, white, college educated women. (Compared to their male counterparts).

I’ll be supporting and voting for President Trump in the general election, but, we conservatives also need to contemplate contingencies. As in, dotard Biden wins re-election, as galling and infuriating as that possibility is.

With the electoral landscape favoring Dhimmi-crats, broadly-speaking (with North Carolina, Virginia, Colorado, Nevada, Arizona, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania having turned from reliable, pro-GOP bastions to either “purple” or outright “blue”), plus, the combined power of Big Tech, the FBI/Deep State and the Leftist media complex squarely in the Dhimmi-crats’ corner and using their considerable resources to aid Dhimmi-crat candidates, while sabotaging GOP candidates, we must consider the possibility that President Trump doesn’t win this race. The Dhimmi-crats always fight dirty and lawlessly, and, the 2024 race will be the most vicious, ever.

If crime boss and dotard, Biden, defeats President Trump, I would say that the 2028 GOP presidential candidate — most likely De Santis — would be a lock to win the White House, after eight years of Biden’s ruinous rule and the country finally coming to its senses. Problem is, the domestic and foreign destruction wrought by the Dhimmi-crats will likely be irreversible, at that point.

    gonzotx in reply to guyjones. | January 21, 2024 at 5:23 pm

    He would only defeat President Trump by cheating even larger, and we know he is t really the rightful President

    Millions upon millions of illegal votes

    Now with 15 additional million illegals, probably vast majority voting illegally, onto of the mail in BS

    I don’t see a path to

      guyjones in reply to gonzotx. | January 21, 2024 at 5:28 pm

      Yeah, but, the problem is, Biden will cheat even larger in 2024, and, with the FBI in his pocket, the media parroting and amplifying whatever narrative the Dhimmi-crats want to propagate, and, with innumerable, sympathetic federal judges aligned with the Dhimmi-crats, there is no person or institution who/that will overturn a fraudulent election result — as the 2020 election amply demonstrated.

      The GOP has no one to appeal to who will nullify the end result of the pervasive voting and ballot fraud that we witnessed in 2020.

    Kind of hard to bash Biden as the dotard when Trump just railed against #NeverNikki, apparently confusing her with Pelosi. They are both far too old for the most powerful office in the land, arguably in the world. But I guess we are stuck choosing between Dotard 1 and Dotard 2. Lovely.

      Ironic that you jump on Haley when you’ve exhibited your own variant of TDS.

      Fuzzy, I get your point, but, respectfully — one mental lapse or error doesn’t mean much, in and of itself. If, however, such lapses become a pattern, I’d be worried.

      Trump has his mental and intellectual faculties intact; there’s no question about his mental sharpness and acuity. Biden clearly has been suffering from dementia and massive neurological and physiological decline since well before he was installed in the White House geriatric ward.

        gonzotx in reply to guyjones. | January 21, 2024 at 5:48 pm

        And considering he has been dealing with 4 different cases in different states while campaigning non stop
        The death of his MIL, his wife’s grief
        Probably 3 hours sleep

        He’s actually amazing

          starride in reply to gonzotx. | January 21, 2024 at 5:55 pm

          Really… I can deal with a lot of things at once but the things that man is dealing with now and had dealt with for the last 7 years would have destroyed just about any one else

          guyjones in reply to gonzotx. | January 21, 2024 at 6:18 pm

          Trump is a force of nature; there is no question about it. To deal with the non-stop sabotage, subversion and vilification of his 2016 campaign and presidential administration, and, remain relatively unflappable and focused, is remarkable.

          So true, under such stress, I would be totally confused between Nikki Haley (my own appointee for UN ambassador) and Nancy Pelosi the Democrat Speaker of the House. Just like the SAME PERSON! So easy to get confused, and you know what, that confusion isn’t at all a problem when dealing with the Southern border, do we mean the Ukraine border? That group of antifa who think they are boarders in their CHAZ/CHOP zone? Or maybe some other border? I know Melania likes to do the border first on jigsaw puzzles. But she might be Hillary Clinton, who knows?

          Yeah, I’m seeing this as a problem. But you keep being you.

      57 states Obama
      Or the “inhalator “, “corpsman”

      Numerous other “

      He was pretty young making those statements

Two things I’ll predict now.
-Biden will not be the D candidate
-Jury in South Florida will convict Trump on at least one charge and maybe more.

Is it known if a convicted candidate can become the President? If he can’t then a ‘suspended’ candidate may have to re-inter or, the choice falls to the RNC. Then all hell breaks loose and the R party implodes..

    Naw, now that Trump has the GOP nom wrapped up in a bow, they will stick with Weekend at Joey’s. It’s their best bet since their bench is a bunch of crazy people who hate America more overtly than Biden does and would carry on the same policies, anyway. (and in Newsom’s case on steroids, so all of America can enjoy poop maps, rolling blackouts, and rampant crime).

    The Florida case is the worst for Trump, so it will be interesting to see how that plays out. No reason he can’t be president from a prison cell. I mean Biden is “governing” from his Maryland home more than half the time, so what’s to stop Trump from governing from prison? Just the deep state, but we are told that doesn’t exist.

      “…so all of America can enjoy poop maps,… .” Did you have to go there? The image almost makes me want to give up chocolate, almost. Uggh New York is becoming the same.

      He wont be convicted in Fla. and the chance of him actually going to jail is even less. I would love to see the secret services response to someone trying to put him in jail. If you think the Bundy Ranch stand off was serious i would hate to see a Mar-A Lago stand off, Regardless its a federal crime so on Jan 20th he can just pardon himself. And if the case is just going on he can order the DOJ to drop the case and request it be with prejudice. This judge would probably give it.

    Milhouse in reply to Whitewall. | January 21, 2024 at 10:39 pm

    Is it known if a convicted candidate can become the President?

    Yes. Eugene Debs ran for president in 1920 from prison.

It always was going to be Trump and whatever puppet the Marxists put up, like Michelle

    guyjones in reply to Skip. | January 21, 2024 at 5:23 pm

    The Dhimmi-crats’ substitute for Biden won’t be the prima donna ingrate, privileged, faux victim-poser and generally loathsome Obama. She never worked an honest day in her entire miserable life, and, she isn’t about to start, now. She enjoys the material comforts provided by her undeserved, filthy lucre, too much to actually run for political office.

I think, like Harris who dropped out so early, there has been a promise made…
DeSantis supporting President Trump .. it doesn’t feel

I think he should have said, “let the voters speak ”

He called Trump supporters names , much like deplorables, so there is just something that doesn’t fit

    No, he didn’t. DeSantis supporting Trump makes perfect sense since they are both America Firsters (like Reagan, from whom Trump stole “Make America Great Again”). DeSantis is real conservative, so there is no way he would endorse Nikki Haley who is a progressive, big government Democrat in GOP clothing. There is no one else to endorse, with DeSantis dropping out, it’s Haley or Trump, so what “doesn’t feel right” here?

      henrybowman in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | January 21, 2024 at 10:18 pm

      As I fully expected, DeSantis showed more class and maturity in this situation than Trump typically does. Trump is all about the people who are loyal to him (despite being congenitally unable to identify them with any accuracy), but his own loyalty to others can turn on a dime with next to no warning if he feels the least bit slighted. Trump has never been a member of Team “We Must All Pull Together,” unless he could be the lead puller.

      ” (like Reagan, from whom Trump stole “Make America Great Again”).”

      Of course you think ‘America First’ is just a slogan that can be ‘stolen’.

    Don’t usually jump in, but maybe it’s simply reality speaking. Like Trump said, the longer you let something fester, the worse it’s going to be. It’s good DeSantis faced up to it. He can still restore himself.

    As for what he said in the campaign, Trump called him a lot of names, too, but today said he was honored for the endorsement. Good they have their eyes on the prize.

    healthguyfsu in reply to gonzotx. | January 22, 2024 at 11:22 am

    Could you point to which name hurt your feels the most?

In defense of gonzotx, there are so many shennanigans that go on behind the scenes in general that suspicious cat is not a ridiculous notion.

I don’t mean that DeS is guilty of something, just that Haley ever being a factor shows that there are puppet masters.

Fuzzy, asuming we are stuck with Trump and he does not pick Nikki as a running mate, as he stated he would not, what do you think of Tulsi (as earlier mentioned) as the best contrast to Harris, for a “unity ticket” and a good defense againt losing votes to some third party ticket?

    First, Trump is not a deep thinker, so it would never occur to him to pick someone like Tulsi (or Joe Manchin). He’s Trump, so he’s going to pick someone who has shoved their nose the furthest up his butt, and right now that is Elise Stefanik with Kristi Noem being a close second.

    He’d like a black or trans person because he super cares about “history” and DIE and ‘trans rights,’ but he’ll go with the people who best suck up to him. As always. Right now that is Stefanik and Noem. He could pick a turnip out of my garden and still win the GOP nom, so it’s about the general. In which case, he’s probably going to lose, even if he picked a decent VP, which he can’t because any decent VP choice wouldn’t destroy their own political future by being on Team Trump.

    But no, he’s not going with Tulsi (she’s too smart to agree to be his VP in the first place).

“Is it known if a convicted candidate can become the President? ”
Eugene Debs was prosecuted by the Wilson DOJ on 10 counts of Sedition, convicted and sentenced to ten years. Ran for President in 1920 while serving at the Atlanta Federal Prison.

someone should look at Trump’s actual position.

How long until Dem’s swap in someone for Biden?

Fuzzy aside, not many Republican’s will stay home because their candidate didn’t make it to the Nov ballot.

It won’t come down to Republicans who always vote Republican. It won’t come down to Democrats who always vote Democrat.
It will come down to the usual wishy washy swing voters in swing states. Again. It’s one of the few things I really hate about America.

    jb4 in reply to Andy. | January 21, 2024 at 10:42 pm

    IMO it will come down to whether the Republican Party gets off its collective ass and runs campaigns like the Demcrcrats. I recall Fetterman had a 700K mail-in ballot lead over Dr. Oz in 2022 in PA. It is very difficult to win any election if ceding that kind of lead to your opponent is OK going into election day. So far, I have seen no evidence that the Republicans have learned anything from 2020, in either 2022 or 2023.

      Andy in reply to jb4. | January 22, 2024 at 10:34 am

      The “party” seems to be all in for Haley.

      On that front- Trump is the right candidate because the “party” hates him so much.

      I can’t believe Haley is polling above 5%.

      Desantis was splitting Trump’s base, not hers.

    healthguyfsu in reply to Andy. | January 22, 2024 at 11:26 am

    Funny how Trump cultists rally about the deep state but will loathe independents that don’t fall in lockstep with a party run by said swamp creatures.

    Well, no, Andy, that’s not how our electoral system works. It doesn’t matter if a candidate gets 100% of the vote in a state with four electoral votes. The only way to win the presidency is to amass more electoral votes (ELECTORAL VOTES, not popular votes) than your opponent. This is how our system works (and why it’s not a democracy via mob rule, just as our Founders intended).

    I don’t have to support Trump. Not only because I simply don’t but because my state will vote for him and all of its winner-takes-all EC votes will go to Trump.

    This will happen no matter what I do or don’t do. And what I will not do is vote for Trump. Trump’s cult has convinced me that holding my nose and voting for someone I disdain is wrong, and I completely agree with that . . . and I will not do it. Period. I am done holding my nose and voting for people I can’t vote FOR. It’s over. I’m done, and I have Trump’s followers to thank! They are right to stand their ground, and I am right to stand mine.

Frezz in the hizzy | January 21, 2024 at 10:37 pm

I know this feels different, but this is the way of primaries, sorting the field then getting behind the candidate. It is a process that some struggle with more than others — and some are struggling mightily.

Friends, we have got to get together and take our best shot against Bobo or whoever else it might be. And it’s DJT, whatever you think about him, spray-tan and all.

We have got to put the bs aside, put the pettiness aside, put the intellectual PRIDE aside, and take our best shot.

Anybody that doesn’t do that 100% is, like it or not, automatically amongst the ranks of David French and Michael Medved, etc, absolutely guaranteeing democrat victory.

There is too much at stake now.

thalesofmiletus | January 22, 2024 at 1:05 am

I come once again to say that it is long past time to pivot towards the general election and defeating Biden and this corrupt regime.

#NeverNikki needs to throw in the high-heels and endorse our candidate.

Fuzzy, please seek help. Your TDS is extremely high, and lashing out at commenters that you don’t agree with isn’t a very good look for you.

Fuzzy, please explain how forfeiting the Presidential election to the Democrats after the first skirmish is going to move America forward, enact America First legislation, or defeat the FJB administration.

    healthguyfsu in reply to GravityOpera. | January 22, 2024 at 11:29 am

    I’ll chime in as an observer with simple points.

    DeSantis is unlikely to win mathematically.

    Trump is likely to win mathematically.

    You go to war with the army you have. (even if it’s true that the army may lose)

      GravityOpera in reply to healthguyfsu. | January 22, 2024 at 5:00 pm

      If DeSantis still had a chance then there was no reason to drop out.

      Going to war with the Freedom Caucus, the NRA, etc. is the exact opposite of what we want. (Unless you’re implying that Trump is going to lose so hard that he accidentally promotes and signs conservative legislation?)

    What? You do know that we don’t have one federal election, right? We have 50 elections in our states. The popular vote means nothing because the winner wins through amassing the most electoral votes. Don’t you know that?

    Florida is going to Trump. I won’t vote for him, and that does exactly NOTHING to harm Trump. He’s going to win here anyway; the Electoral College votes are all that actually matter, and Trump will get every one of ours.

    So what is it that you are saying? My voting for Trump would do zero to defeat Biden, don’t you get how American elections work? You guys are really worrying me with your ignorance. No wonder we can never get ahead. Sigh.

      GravityOpera in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | January 23, 2024 at 7:40 pm

      Whoa! I hope you intended that for someone else. Your response bears no relation to my question of how DeSantis dropping out after a single primary “is going to move America forward, enact America First legislation, or defeat the FJB administration.”

      For the record though, I do agree that for anyone in a solid or blue state not voting for Trump does nothing electorally, but at least saves their conscience and indicates their disgust with the party. I feel bad for those in swing states; they have to pick the poison to infect the country with.

Bucky Barkingham | January 22, 2024 at 7:56 am

Haley’s campaign is going nowhere. Who will the RINO establishment find to keep Trump from winning the nomination? Resort to a smoke filled room in lieu of primaries?

If Trump wins, as long as we are guessing, I see an open run in 2028, both sides. If his admin is as chaotic as the first, and it was, which is what a lot of people wanted; someone to stir the pot, I suspect another Democrat will have the advantage for “normalcy”. If Biden wins, I think the possibility of a 2 term Republican is higher in 28. If the Republicans can keep the House and gain the Senate, it can check Biden. If I was a bettor, I’d say Trump will lose and may take down ballot with him.

I don’t like Trump, never have since his early tv talk show appearances, and don’t think his is basically a good man with flaws. He is repulsive to me as is Biden. So, it really doesn’t matter to me who wins.

The future is not real predictable, I don’t know that the Dems are super excited about their guy either.

Most people are decent and just want to get on with their lives.

Iowa had low voter turnout, and I think independents comprise more of the electorate than in the past. Also, I think the MAGA movement is waning.

Also, I think the MAGA movement is waning.

No Niki,
It isn’t

I get it, there are conservatives who preferred De Santis as the GOP nominee. I supported De Santis for the nomination, but, conservatives need to unify and rally behind President Trump, now. No more infighting; the time for that is over.

The 2024 race is already an uphill battle, given the realities of a national map that features many formerly reliably “red” states that have since gone “purple” or “blue.”

Add in the combined power and influence of Big Tech, Leftist Media and the FBI/Deep State; power that is exerted squarely and exclusively in favor of Dhimmi-crat candidates, and, against GOP candidates, and, the 2024 race will be the most ferocious political battle in U.S. history.

I implore all conservatives for whom President Trump is not their first pick, or, their ideal pick, or whatever, to get on board and start fighting to defeat corrupt crime boss, Biden, or, whoever may eventually end up as the Dhimmi-crat nominee, if the dotard steps down for “health reasons.”

The damage that will be wrought to the U.S. by another four years of Dhimmi-crat control of the White House will be irreparable.

DeSantis’s exit is really unfortunate because I think it will result in a change to the voting dynamic. A significant portion of Dems and Independents are (for good reasons) not enthusiastic about going out to support or vote for Biden. However, those same voters may have enough residual dislike for DJT to cast their vote AGAINST him, rather than vote FOR Biden. That may be enough to result in a Biden win. If instead, DeSantis was the Rep nominee, that portion of Dems/Independents may not be sufficiently motivated to vote against DeSantis, and just sit it out – which would more likely result in a DeSantis win.

I haven’t heard DJT supporters address this point very convincingly.

    guyjones in reply to Q. | January 22, 2024 at 12:57 pm

    You make a point that I and other DeSantis supporters had articulated — if DeSantis had been the GOP nominee, the 2024 presidential contest would primarily and fairly be about Biden’s objectively awful record and corrosive and incompetent stewardship — despite the media’s predictable and lame attempts to paint DeSantis as an alleged Trump wannabe, or, a Trump clone. And, DeSantis could have drawn independents and Dhimmi-crats who are turned off by Trump’s persona.

    Instead, the media will ensure that the race is about the narratives that Biden and the Dhimmi-crats seek to focus on — to wit, “Trump is Satan,” alleged/contrived notions of “MAGA extremism” and the January 6th “insurrection,” thus allowing Biden to sidestep having to defend his awful and ruinous record of incompetence and destruction.

    All of that said, we need to get behind President Trump, 110%, starting now. Another four years of Dhimmi-crat control of the White House will be irreparably ruinous, to the U.S., and, to the world.

“We keep hearing this claim about a promise to the voters NOT to run in ’24 but folks making the claim don’t offer the proof.”

1) Sep 29, 2021: “I’m not considering anything beyond doing my job. We got a lot of stuff going on in Florida. I’m going to be running for reelection next year,” the Republican told Fox News host Sean Hannity.

• see video:

2) Sep 30, 2021: “Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida on Wednesday said he isn’t currently considering a presidential run in 2024 because he’s busy making sure “people are not supporting critical race theory.”

3) Oct 1, 2021: “When it comes to the 2024 presidential election, don’t expect to see Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’ name in the running to be our next commander in chief.”

    Milhouse in reply to luckydog. | January 23, 2024 at 1:42 am

    Just more proof that you and Olinser are lying. None of those quotes goes even one inch to support your claim. None of them are even from the gubernatorial campaign, let alone promises of anything at all, or even statements that he won’t run. If that’s all you have then you know you have nothing, and are just bullshitting.

A) March 15, 2023: “A Donald Trump-aligned political group on Wednesday said it filed a complaint with the Florida Commission of Ethics accusing Gov. Ron DeSantis of abusing his office to mount a “shadow presidential campaign” — which DeSantis’ team dismissed as a “frivolous” claim.”

• Make America Great Again Inc., a political action committee that can campaign for Trump but not coordinate with him, is arguing that DeSantis is taking the steps to be a presidential candidate despite not announcing an official presidential run.

• The complaint alleges that DeSantis’ political activities and work with the outside groups knowingly influence how he will act under Florida’s resign-to-run law, which would require him to step down from his current office if he seeks an office out of state.

• “[H]e is receiving gifts with the understanding that they will influence his official judgment” to ultimately run for president, the complaint claims.

• In a statement to ABC News, DeSantis’ communications director, Taryn Fenske, said they are “adding this to the list of frivolous and politically motivated attacks.”

• “It’s inappropriate to use state ethics complaints for partisan purposes,” Fenske said.

    Milhouse in reply to luckydog. | January 23, 2024 at 1:44 am

    Now you’re really bullshitting.

    1. None of this is any kind of statement from Desantis, let alone a promise of any kind.

    2. It’s all from after his reelection.

    3. The Trump people’s claim was utterly frivolous, and the Desantis supporters were right to dismiss it.

Frezz in the hizzy | January 23, 2024 at 7:55 am

This is what I want to say to Fuzzy, and the other Trump haters. Trump obviously suffers from a perception problem. Some of it is deserved, however much of it is undeserved and unfair. For example. There are people that recently said that Trump would probably use seal team six to take out his enemies domestically. It is irrational and absurd, however, that is a belief, and is a stark example of my point.

He hasn’t helped himself with a lot of his words.. But these are the battle lines in which we find ourselves. We have to take up the fight and make the discerning arguments.

My first choice would have been DeSantis, but that ship is sailed. Nikki is not going to get it done. The country is at stake.