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Power Outages Force Maine to Delay Vote for Electric Vehicle Mandate

Power Outages Force Maine to Delay Vote for Electric Vehicle Mandate

I cannot stop laughing.

LOL! Hahaha! I’m crying.

The Maine Board of Environmental Protection (BEP) has to delay a vote on an electric vehicle (EV) mandate due to…power outages!

Power outages:

On December 19, 2023, Governor Janet Mills declared a State of Civil Emergency for 14 Maine counties following a significant wind and rain storm that has left hundreds of thousands of people without power and that has caused significant flooding and infrastructure damage, including to town and state roadways.

In consideration of the challenges facing Maine citizens who may wish to participate in the upcoming Board meeting in Augusta, the Board is postponing its meeting scheduled for December 21, 2023.

Democrat Gov. Janet Mills desperately wants to adopt the standards similar to California.

The mandate would require “43 percent of new cars sold in Maine be zero-emissions vehicles (ZEVs by model year 2027 and 82 percent by model year 2032.”

A horrible rainstorm pounded the northeast earlier this week. It flooded Professor Jacobson’s home. More from The Maine Wire:

By declaring a Civil State of Emergency, “all State of Maine resources [have been mobilized] to assist and support response and recovery efforts and positions the State to seek Federal disaster support in the coming weeks,” according to a press release published by Mills on Tuesday.

The emergency was declared verbally — as is permitted by state statute — and a written copy will be made available to the public shortly after it is filed with the Maine Secretary of State.

Mills’ declaration came more than twenty-four hours after the catastrophic flooding and widespread power outages began impacting Mainers statewide. The governor held a press conference on Wednesday afternoon to address the storm and its impacts.

The Civil State of Emergency covered “Androscoggin, Aroostook, Franklin, Hancock, Kennebec, Knox, Lincoln, Oxford, Penobscot, Piscataquis, Sagadahoc, Somerset, Waldo, and Washington Counties.”


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This is just a reminder that the country’s ills aren’t solely the fault of Biden. The Democrat Party (along with some Establishment Republicans) are responsible, and much of the damage has been deliberate.

What’s a mandatr?

Answer: North Dakota
Question: What state might be worse than Maine to own and operate an EV in winter?

    AF_Chief_Master_Sgt in reply to gospace. | December 21, 2023 at 8:36 pm

    When I was stationed at Loring AFB in Aroostook County Maine, there were four seasons. June, July, August, and Winter.

    Many times we would get 24 inches of snow, followed by 24 inches of snow the next day. I have photos of snow drifts to the roof of my house.

    We kept our cars plugged in when we weren’t using them. If we didn’t, the battery would be dead in a short period of time.

    I can’t count the number of times we’ve had to walk to the Armory because my car was dead or frozen. There was even a “V” dent in the front grill and hood because the previous owner drove it into a snow drift, and hit the fire hydrant.

    EVs will not last in Northern Maine.

    One thing I could never understand. Why was Maine called “Vacationland” when even 90% of the Canadian population lived south of us? We were further north than Ottawa, Montreal, and Toronto.

      Don’t you mean 3? Winter, Summer and Mud? I’m quite familiar with Caribou and Ft. Kent growing up in Northern New England. EV’s won’t work up there at all. Ban gas and oil, ban woodstoves because pollution and then the power goes out in a -20 blizzard. Going to get real cold real fast.

        AF_Chief_Master_Sgt in reply to diver64. | December 22, 2023 at 6:46 am

        Yep. It was the only place I knew where we could wear t-shirts and shorts at 35 degrees – since we normally had subzero temps, with wind chills near -70.

        And mud… and black flies… and snow flurries on the 4th of July…

        But I still loved it, because:

        And so much more.

          Two years and a half at Plattsburgh AFB, NY, in the 70s where I saw almost -40 on the thermometer several times. I expected it but this Southern man didn’t enjoy it.

          We said Plattsburgh has summer – on the afternoon of July 15th between 2 and 4 PM. Anything else was prewinter, winter, or postwinter. Evs? Surely thou jest.

          Your comment on 4th July flurries made me laugh. I remember flurries during fireworks one year in grade school. Some argue deer fly season is a thing but they are all summer is my view. More serious is deer season. Every year half the boys didn’t show up to school the first week. All the teachers gave homework to do at camp that week. All of them when you showed up, their first question was “get your deer”? Only once did I say Yup!
          Just checked my camps camera. While I sit here in 60 degree sunshine there is snow on the ground at home. I’d rather be there next to the wood stove working through those 2 cords of maple and beech I left in the shed

      The Gentle Grizzly in reply to AF_Chief_Master_Sgt. | December 22, 2023 at 10:57 am

      EVs can be made to last. It just takes a government mandate and it will come true.

      The same thing happened with “environmentally friendly” auto finishes three decades ago. The industry told Our Betters in Washington that such finishes were not yet ready for mass production but OBiW said “thou shalt go forth and useth these finishes:.

      The Big Three and the US transplant factories were forced to do so, and within a few years, the paint, or at least the top coat of the two and three step colors were peeling like a sunburn.

      Some people just need to make mistakes on their own. They can’t learn from the experience of others.

      They also think ranked choice voting is a good idea.

    Isolden in reply to gospace. | December 22, 2023 at 1:05 pm


Michael Settle | December 21, 2023 at 7:29 pm

It seems to me that every public charging station should be required to have a backup generator capable of producing the electric load required to charge a car.

    AF_Chief_Master_Sgt in reply to Michael Settle. | December 21, 2023 at 8:37 pm

    Run by diesel fuel. The irony.

      One of the wife’s electric trucks ran out of juice at the loading dock at one of their stores. Shop went out with a diesel generator to give it enough power to get back. Took couple of hours charging. The electric yard trucks, though. The guys really like them.

Charging LiFePo4 batteries at or below freezing will destroy them, You can use an electric heater to make them usable. Anyone who wants to use one in a cold climate should buy a hybrid electric.

irony is delicious

Nice reliable power grid you got their Maine. I think I’d really like to have my life relying on a power grid that’s that unreliable to charge a vehicle that I might have to use in life or death

Gas stations that depend on the power grid are a similar problem. You’d think they’d buy a generator or so.

    SField in reply to rhhardin. | December 21, 2023 at 9:54 pm

    Many of the gas stations and truck stops here have backup generators. Harsh weather and power outages are a fact of life. People are prepared, it’s no big deal.

    Ironclaw in reply to rhhardin. | December 22, 2023 at 5:12 am

    Most of them DO have an emergency generator, and they have thousands of gallons of fuel to run it.

    diver64 in reply to rhhardin. | December 22, 2023 at 4:13 pm

    Guess you frequent different places than I do. Quite a number of them around here have them. All of the warehouses have those giant Generac or Cat gen sets. You should see the setup the glass plant has to keep their ovens hot.

I’m up in Northern Maine. It was one hell of a storm. Most everyone up here are prepared. Power outage, but no major damage. Home generators with the proper wiring and switches are a must. We’re used to it, not that big of a deal.

In regards to this California style EV mandate, it’s a load of horseshit that the conservative people of Northern Maine will never accept or abide by. Winter up here isn’t some statistic on some leftist’s spreadsheet, it’s real. Temps of -40 F and 5 feet of snow in a single storm are the reality here.

Nobody north of Bangor will ever buy an EV. It’s too damn cold, they are too expensive, and there’s zero infrastructure. We don’t follow mandates here. The climate cult can go pound sand.

    Massinsanity in reply to SField. | December 22, 2023 at 2:06 pm

    Amen. What happened to southern Maine? Try to find a young woman in Portland who isn’t covered in tattoos with a face full of piercings and blue or pink hair. A veritable clown show of non-conformist conformity. It’s so sad how the once great state has totally lost its way.

    diver64 in reply to SField. | December 22, 2023 at 4:15 pm

    Different story North of Rt 2 and I95. Hard to make people in their city bubble understand that.

Biden green new deal is trillion dollar fraud.

Let the rolling blackouts begin.

Do you like irony? I like irony, especially when an event drips it.

Hey, if they’d centralized it right, the whole state would be out, not just 14 counties. Amateurs.

As a Floridian, I can recall periods when no one could pump gas due to electrical outages.

In my childhood, pumps could be operated manually or by lawn mower engines.

Instead, Maine is spending it’s time getting Trump off of the ballot, Great priorities

Janet Mills proves once again, she’s a dim bulb.

Blessings of the season to you and yours

GM Buys Out Half of Its Buick Dealers:
Dealers leaving the network decided not to sell electric vehicles; about 1,000 Buick dealers remain

    The Gentle Grizzly in reply to catscradle. | December 22, 2023 at 11:06 am

    A big part of it is that the dealers were expected to pour hundreds of thousands into preparation for EVs that Buick has none of. Sure, they have some pretty pictures of concepts, but nothing is to the “time to stop drawing and time to start bending metal!” stage.

    I don’t blame the dealers. Buick hasn’t had much in the way of advertising in many years, and with the exception of the Enclave, all Buick is now is badge-engineered Chinese and Korean cars. The newest ones have NO “design language”; the front clips shout “generic car”.

    Many Buick dealers are also GMC stores, and that is where the money is. If there are any stand-alone Buick stores dropping away, they likely have Hyundai, KIA, and others knocking on their door with franchise offers as it is.

      BierceAmbrose in reply to The Gentle Grizzly. | December 23, 2023 at 12:10 am

      Helpful context. (I had to do that. Snerk. But, legit helpful.)

      The tension between dealers and especially GM has been epic for generations. They both want control of both products and customers, and can’t do anything without the other guys.

Car Dealers to Biden: EVs Aren’t Selling
Some 3,900 sellers ask for a reprieve from his onerous sales mandate.

When the state police retire their Dodge Hemi’s in favor of batteries and charge cords, then maybe I’ll listen.

Then again, maybe not.

    The Gentle Grizzly in reply to George S. | December 22, 2023 at 11:11 am

    Oddly enough, a lot of state police or highway patrol vehicles from Chrysler / Stellantis /Fiat-Chrysler, or whatrever they call themselves this week, are buying cars with the V6. They need the weight savings for all tjhe computers and other gear they haul, and they go plenty fast as it is.

    But, I see your point. I know of no police agencies using, say, Teslas or Mustang Es unless they are making a political statement, and the police on the street don’t want to be driving them. Just like the LAPD’s “statement” with Priuseseses.

As an retired engineer, we design systems to perform in worst case of foreseeable circumstances – not merely for average conditions. It would seem that the politicians should reconcile their policies with reality. As Mike Tyson famously said, “Everyone has a plan – until they get punched in the mouth.” Undoubtedly there is a (perhaps growing) market for EVs but I would venture to say that the buyer is in a better position to judge the relative merits between and EV and conventional IC vehicle than is the government by fiat.

    BierceAmbrose in reply to Arnoldn. | December 23, 2023 at 12:13 am

    “…I would venture to say that the buyer is in a better position to judge the relative merits between and EV and conventional IC vehicle than is the government by fiat.”


The Darwin Awards committee is waiting for the storm to pass so they can give their award to the first state ever to receive it. Normally the recipients are dead.

I was a contractor maintaining the computers at the BMEWS radar at Thule AB, Greenland from 1985-1989. It was the first place I saw synthetic 0W-30 motor oils in use. -40F was common in the long winter and vehicles either had to be left running or plugged in for electric engine heaters. If you didn’t it was not going to start, had to be towed back to the heated motor pool to thaw and you were definitely going to hear about it.
Cold weather and batteries do not get along well. EVs are only good for a cross-town run to Whole Foods – they are completely inadequate for long-distance travel or work vehicles.

    I had a Dodge Colt with a small engine and a manual 4 speed transmission with a speed and economy range. Was transferred from SC to Great Mistakes. I’ve been running synthetic oil in my cars since it was first available to consumers.

    One day, first winter there, temp was -50°F. Not wind chill, temperature. Went o0ut to start my car, and all my neighbors either had chargers on their battery or someone with a running vehicle giving them a jump. I turned the key- it started right up. I recall my immediate neighbors staring at me- ad one even asked- “How’d you do that?”

    Then I tried to shift it into reverse- and went back inside for a cup of hot chocolate leaving it run for a bit. That spring going through an auto parts store- Valvoline Synthetic 80W-90. Went back home, found I would need two quarts, got them, and changed out the gearcase oil. Next winter- no shifting problems.

    I’m a firm believer in synthetic oil technology. And an early adopter. Another thing I recall was changing oil in sub-zero weather at the base hobby shop. Guy next to me was just starting to pour in his conventional oil as I pulled in. I was done before he was. His oil was very slowly glugging out of the bottles like cold molasses.. My Mobil 1 poured right out like maple syrup.

Wouldn’t have thought a place when a good percentage of your vehicle’s energy goes to heating would do this.