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Colorado Supreme Court Disqualifies Trump From 2024 Presidential Primary Ballot

Colorado Supreme Court Disqualifies Trump From 2024 Presidential Primary Ballot

The 4-3 decision is paused to allow for appeal.

https://twitter.com/TeamTrump/status/1696931890555429249

The Colorado Supreme Court ruled that former President Donald Trump cannot appear on the state’s 2024 presidential primary ballot “because he engaged in an insurrection on Jan. 6, 2021.”

“A majority of the court holds that President Trump is disqualified from holding the office of President under Section Three of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution,” wrote the court. “Because he is disqualified, it would be a wrongful act under the Election Code for the Colorado Secretary of State to list him as a candidate on the presidential primary ballot.”

Section Three states:

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Your job wasn’t to find him guilty of an insurrection. But alas…here we are.

So how did the Colorado Supreme Court make this decision? Language time!

The Colorado Supreme Court just happened to remind people that justices don’t have to be Originalists. After all, if you stick with the plain language in the Constitution you cannot bend it to your will and agenda (I took out the notations):

If the language is clear and unambiguous, then we enforce it as written, and we need not turn to other tools of construction. However, if the provision’s language is reasonably susceptible of multiple interpretations, then it is ambiguous, and we may consider “the textual, structural, and historical evidence put forward by the parties,” and we will construe the provision “in light of the objective sought to be achieved and the mischief to be avoided.”

Section 3 is not ambiguous. Like 99% of the rest of the Constitution it is crystal clear: You cannot hold office if you engaged in an insurrection or rebellion.

Trump argued that Section 3 doesn’t apply because it doesn’t mention the Presidency.

The justices included the Presidency in the word “office.” They pointed to other parts of the Constitution that refer to the Presidency as an office. But Section 3 does not make that distinction.

I could go with the Colorado Supreme Court regarding the word “officer” since the president is the Commander-in-Chief.

But it bugs me that the justices think this part of Section 3 is the only part with plain language.

Well…

Let’s look at the word engaged. Merriam-Webster has six definitions of engaged. The two that best match the word in section three are “involved in activity” and “involved especially in a hostile encounter.”

I look at the thesaurus to get a deeper understanding of a word.

The strongest synonyms of engaged as a verb “as in start a fight; attack:” face, meet.

The strongest synonym of engaged as a verb “as in interconnect; bring into operation:” join, lock.

It ticks me off that the justices waited until page 103 to dive into the definition of “engaged in.” They used the definition of “engage” instead of “engaged.”

The justices discovered that they had slim pickings regarding case law and “engaged in,” but still decided to stick with precedent from before and during the ratification of the 14th Amendment. They cited a treason case in 1851:

[I]t is not necessary to prove that the individual accused, was a direct, personal actor in the violence. If he was present, directing, aiding, abetting, counselling, or countenancing it, he is in law guilty of the forcible act. Nor is even his personal presence indispensable. Though he be absent at the time of its actual perpetration, yet if he directed the act, devised or knowingly furnished the means, for carrying it into effect, instigating others to perform it, he shares their guilt. In treason there are no accessories.

Trump did none of those. He gave a speech.

These snippets from Trump’s speech say nothing of the sort. They probably point to the fourth bullet point even though Trump literally says “cheering.”

How about the word holding? Trump claimed Section III does not apply to the ballot because it does not prevent him from running for office or even being elected to an office.

The Colorado Supreme Court invoked Hassan v. Colorado. Abdul Karim Hassan, a naturalized citizen, claimed he could be on a ballot as a presidential candidate because the birth requirement only disqualifies him from holding an office, not assuming the office.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit disagreed.

The court reaffirmed a magistrate judge’s opinion: “a state’s legitimate interest in protecting the integrity and practical functioning of the political process permits it to exclude from the ballot candidates who are constitutionally prohibited from assuming office.”

Well, um, the courts used Article II of the Constitution as their reasoning for keeping Hassan off the state’s ballots.

The Colorado Supreme Court wrote “that the state would be powerless to exclude a twenty-eight-year-old, a non resident of the United States, or even a foreign national from the presidential primary ballot in Colorado. Yet, as noted, several courts have upheld states’ exclusion from ballots of presidential candidates who fail to meet the qualifications for office under Article II.”

Trump’s argument is Section 3 of the 14th Amendment!

Now we have to look at Colorado’s Election Code regarding presidential primaries: Article 4, Part 12. The Colorado Supreme Court stressed 1-4-1203(2)(a), which is the “qualified” part. They concluded that “qualified” meant the candidate satisfies requirements under the U.S. Constitution.

The Colorado Supreme Court does not address the words until page 67 of the opinion.

“Although, as we discuss below, the meanings of some of these terms may not necessarily be precise, we can discern their meanings using ‘familiar principles of constitutional interpretation’ such as ‘careful examination of the textual, structural, and historical evidence forward by the parties,'” the justices wrote.

Of course, the justices rely on precedent instead of looking at definitions.

For “engaged,” the Colorado Supreme Court turned to the 1871 case United States v. Powell:

The expression “engaged” in insurrection, as used in the amendment, implies a voluntary effort to assist the insurrection, and acts done under compulsion of force, or of a well-grounded fear of bodily harm, do not come within the operation of the provision.)

Then the Colorado Supreme Court focuses on the word “insurrection.” Of course, one of the cases the justices used came from a January 6th case. They also used three other cases, including a provision in the…South Carolina constitution.

Well, I hope I didn’t bore you! It makes me so mad when I witness any judge twisting and ruining the Constitution to achieve their wants or needs. I am an Originalist. I wish more judges and justices felt the same way.

The 4-3 decision is paused to allow for appeal:

The Colorado Supreme Court stayed its ruling until Jan. 4 to give the U.S. Supreme Court time to weigh in.

Colorado’s presidential primary ballot must be set by Jan. 5. Ballots start being mailed to military and overseas voters on Jan. 20. Election Day is March 5.

All seven justices on the Colorado Supreme Court were appointed by Democratic governors.

Chief Justice Brian Boatright and Justices Maria Berkenkotter and Carlos Samour Jr. dissented.

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Comments

I don’t think posting on the internet is going to do it anymore, friends.

    As a young Charles Bronson said in the Simpson,

    “This ain’t over!”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h55HYoV0HH4

    Kickin’ n screamin’ the USSC has GOTTA take this one on.

      Subotai Bahadur in reply to fscarn. | December 19, 2023 at 9:20 pm

      No, they will dodge it as long as they can, hoping to declare the issue moot..

      Subotai Bahadur

        JackinSilverSpring in reply to Subotai Bahadur. | December 20, 2023 at 12:00 am

        A federal district court could overrule the Colorado court.

          Subotai Bahadur in reply to JackinSilverSpring. | December 20, 2023 at 3:29 pm

          And pigs can fly with enough thrust, but the glide ratio and landing are a bugger. Federal courts will avoid it like they avoided dealing with the cheating in the 2020 election and the voiding of the Constitution for the J6 demonstrators.

          In the absence of actions we have to assume that they, deliberately or otherwise, are impotent.

          By the by, I seem to remember seeing earlier today a news report that Biden-appointed Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Jackson has been caught not reporting her husband’s income during the years she was a lower court judge. An investigation is being called for. It is in the news. How eager are Supreme Court Justices going to be opposing the political machinations of the Left?

          Subotai Bahadur

      MarkS in reply to fscarn. | December 20, 2023 at 2:25 pm

      it’s over,…who’s gonna do anything about it?

    I agree 100%. You will never change things by scrolling every day on Internet sites and spouting off your opinions. What you can do is run for office, whether it be for the local school board, city council, board of supervisors, state legislature, whatever. If you don’t get off of your fat ass and do anything more that post comments here on LI or elsewhere, well then you are a loser, A pathetic loser. You are the problem. I am a Reagan conservative and former Democrat who became a Republican because of Reagan. and I ran for a county office and served for 20 years. It was brutal. I mean brutal. Every bad thing I did in my past as a private citizen was made public. As a conservative you have no idea how much hared will be directed against you. But I’m glad I did it. And I did whatever I could to advance the ideas of conservative Republicans while I was in office, even if it was only for 20 years at the county level. . I am now retired, so I leave the fight to the rest of you. Please join the fight.

      rhhardin in reply to JR. | December 19, 2023 at 7:42 pm

      Posting gets you more votes if you can change opinions. Interesting math

      If you vote, somebody else cancels your vote. Net 1 -1 = 0

      if you post and persuade that somebody, it’s net 1 + 1 = 2

      Your vote now moves the count by two.

      You can persuade thousands with the right turn of phrase.

        divemedic in reply to rhhardin. | December 19, 2023 at 7:47 pm

        not if the race has been rigged to even prevent your candidate from being on the ballot.

          robertthomason in reply to divemedic. | December 21, 2023 at 12:22 pm

          This is a great injustice, but we don’t elect the President. As we all know the people vote for presidential electors who elect the President and VP. This bad decision is designed to further discredit Trump and keep him off the primary ballot. I don’t live in Colorado so I don’t know how delegates to the Republican National Convention are selected there. In my state, delegates are elected in the primary. People can run as pledged to vote for a particular candidate or unpledged. Trump will prevail in this because he’s won the nomination and the Republican Party in each state determines how their electors are selected. We have to work around this lawfare, and secure the vote.

        AF_Chief_Master_Sgt in reply to rhhardin. | December 19, 2023 at 9:23 pm

        Not if the poster spends all their time accusing people of being racists.

        amwick in reply to rhhardin. | December 20, 2023 at 6:47 am

        remember the poem about a horse shoe nail?

        by Anon

        For want of a nail the shoe was lost.
        For want of a shoe the horse was lost.
        For want of a horse the rider was lost.
        For want of a rider the battle was lost.
        For want of a battle the kingdom was lost.
        And all for the want of a horseshoe nail.

        It works in reverse, be the nail. Ya never know.

      JohnSmith100 in reply to JR. | December 19, 2023 at 7:46 pm

      Funny, in that I see you as a loser, and I see things you support driving backlash. Are you ready for it?

      divemedic in reply to JR. | December 19, 2023 at 7:49 pm

      It doesn’t matter if you run or not, if the opposition makes sure that you can’t be on the ballot. You will note that, now that J6 has been declared an insurrection, CO won’t be the only state to keep Trump off the ballot. It’s a good thing that the Democrats defended “our Democracy” by defeating fascism

      Ironclaw in reply to JR. | December 20, 2023 at 12:04 am

      I wouldn’t lower myself to associate with the slime that occupies our elected offices. There’s a reason no decent person wants the job.

      Rupert Smedley Hepplewhite in reply to JR. | December 20, 2023 at 6:39 am

      “ What you can do is run for office, whether it be for the local school board, city council, board of supervisors, state legislature, whatever.”

      No longer applicable to Republicans in Oregon. https://www.opb.org/article/2023/08/08/oregon-politics-walkout-walkouts-measure-113-reelection-boycott-senators-lawmakers/

    divemedic in reply to SeymourButz. | December 19, 2023 at 7:46 pm

    If even nine states (depending on which ones) follow CO’s example, it will be impossible for Trump to reach 270.

      Good point, which underscores the necessity that the USSC take up this issue pronto. Primaries and the printing of ballots are close.

      Which is the point.

      robertthomason in reply to divemedic. | December 21, 2023 at 12:38 pm

      How is that not possible? We don’t directly elect our President and VP. If the Republican Presidential electors win their state, they vote for who they want to. Besides, the Colorado decision and the other court cases deal with the primary, not the general election. Each state party determines the rules for who gets to be a convention delegate and a presidential elector. This whole process is to support the false narrative of Trump being a “threat” to democracy. In fact, all this bovine fecal matter makes him stronger and more likely to win his second term.

    AF_Chief_Master_Sgt in reply to SeymourButz. | December 19, 2023 at 9:22 pm

    Perhaps it’s tar and feather time, and railroad these people out of town.

    ConradCA in reply to SeymourButz. | December 20, 2023 at 3:18 pm

    It’s time to remove Quisling Joe from the ballot in red states. He betrayed the country by take ng bribes from our enemies.

No different than the quack judge in NY deciding the case BEFORE a trial, despite disputed facts on the fundamental issue. Rule of law? Ha!

    But this is the highest court in that state. Truly depressing to see such a body irresponsibly ignore the law and facts and engage in rank partisanship. If not the end of the rule of law, too damn close for my taste.

      alaskabob in reply to Concise. | December 19, 2023 at 8:21 pm

      It is probably based on the forced indictments, prolonged incarcerations and convictions that are building up under the crushing weight of the Dems. How soon until anyone who supported the Trump campaign in 2016 or 2020 is disenfranchised? Aren’t they the new “Confederates” that the dusted off Civil War laws are leveled against?

      Ironclaw in reply to Concise. | December 20, 2023 at 12:05 am

      Depressing? Perhaps. Surprising? Not at all, exactly what I expect from corrupt communists.

      amwick in reply to Concise. | December 20, 2023 at 6:49 am

      People are fleeing that state,,, I bumped into refugees from Boulder, here in GA. They said it is terrible there.

Good Lord. It’s been a long time coming, but I guess it’s time to leave my native state after almost 70 years. Anybody want to buy a nice home in the foothills west of Denver?

    The Packetman in reply to TrickyRicky. | December 19, 2023 at 6:36 pm

    “Anybody want to buy a nice home in the foothills west of Denver?”

    Well, if Judge Enrogon values it, maybe?

    Camperfixer in reply to TrickyRicky. | December 19, 2023 at 10:52 pm

    When Denver Scumbags overrides 85% of the State’s voting area by torturing facts and law (use a Federal Law for a State “hysterical” ruling) to effectively eliminate a political candidate. This is clearly because they are afraid of him and that their little Club will be further exposed as the demented stink it is under Democrat rule.

    Wrote Rep. Amabile (I’m northern CO), said for her and her “colleagues” to stop this childish political crap because they have no right to hamstring and/or nullify OUR candidate (regardless who he or she is) either by fiat or charade, and that PDJT will be the states largest write-in candidate on election day.

      randian in reply to Camperfixer. | December 20, 2023 at 9:50 pm

      Every one of those write-in ballots will be thrown in the trash. Don’t like it as an individual voter? You have no standing to contest an election. Don’t like it as the candidate? Your suit is moot, as the ballots then cannot be counted and thus your claim they could have swayed the election is mere speculation.

There aren’t many structural stability thinkers on the Colorado Supreme Court. Three of them at most. But that’s better than average for Democrats.

Obviously print the name of a Trump elector instead.

What a God-awful decision. This country is run by absolute looney tune dictator wannabes.

We are a banana republic now.

500,000 dead in a 5 year civil war with a secession of a bunch of states vs. a mostly peaceful and lawful protest in the Senate

Folks have been out of their mind for a while, but it’s not worth living in a blue state anymore just on the chance you end up before an insane judge or jury of fellow loony bin travelers.

    We’ve been a banana republic for many years now. It all started with the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965. And it’s been all downhill and picking up speed since then. Do you know whom I really feel sorry for? All the military personnel who gave their lives for this country. And for what???

    tbonesays in reply to PrincetonAl. | December 20, 2023 at 12:29 am

    The left seems desperate for an actual civil war. I wonder if they will rethink their stance on gun control when it happens.

The (illegal) disqualification is based on the *accusation* that the candidate engaged in a certain activity. Since when is an accusation a conviction. Has the candidate been convicted in a court of law with the activity? Has the candidate even been charged?

Nope.

Therefore if the Colorado SC determined that a simple accusation is sufficient to take a candidate off the ballot, I hereby accuse every Democrat candidate for President of insurrection. Thank you very much.

    Subotai Bahadur in reply to georgfelis. | December 19, 2023 at 9:25 pm

    Under this regime, your accusation carries no weight because it is against the Left. When you have no rule of law, all that remains is the exercise of power.

    Subotai Bahadur

    Aarradin in reply to georgfelis. | December 19, 2023 at 10:33 pm

    Trump hasn’t even been accused of insurrection – there is no indictment, anywhere, in the country against him for the crime of insurrection.

    The lawyers in this, and other similar, cases simply skipped that part and claimed that he was guilty of insurrection – without bothering to indict him for it, much less secure a conviction, and they’ve found some garbage “jurists” willing to buy into this nonsense.

    Our courts are a pathetic joke.

      Camperfixer in reply to Aarradin. | December 19, 2023 at 10:54 pm

      All slight of hand Bravo Sierra by Statehouse Democrats…aka, Lies.

      BiteYourTongue in reply to Aarradin. | December 20, 2023 at 10:44 am

      I’ve presented that same argument online. Not has he never been indicted; he’s never been found guilty. My other point of view, just because Democrats want to call it an insurrection, doesn’t make it an insurrection. As far as I’m concerned it was a peaceful protest, that turned into a riot by some bad actors within the crowd.

Colorado: made safe for democracy by banning a major candidate.

This is very disappointing. If I were running the GOP, I would resent that a court is telling who cannot be on a ballot of my party. My reaction would be simple. OK fine Colorado delegates are not going to be seated at the convention.

    Which of course the RINOs won’t do

    kelly_3406 in reply to thad_the_man. | December 19, 2023 at 7:12 pm

    If one reads the article in WAPO (which I did so you do not have to), several of the Colorado plaintiffs were “Republican.”

    If you recall, it was McCain who originally handed the Russian dossier over to the FBI.

    If you further recall, the GOP just approved an NDAA which extends the FISA 702 process into April next year. So the FBI will likely have carte blanche to spy on Trump..

    Thus, it is inescapable that the GOP is neck deep in conspiring against Trump from the beginning and is very likely to continue through this election cycle.

      The_Mew_Cat in reply to kelly_3406. | December 20, 2023 at 5:33 pm

      A mere technicality. The CO plaintiffs had to be Republicans to have standing, since registered Democrats can’t vote in a Republican primary.

    Subotai Bahadur in reply to thad_the_man. | December 19, 2023 at 9:35 pm

    Just as the RNC under the rule of Ronna Romney McDaniel will not stand against the Left on any subject; as a long time Colorado resident I promise that the Colorado Republican Party is horrified at the concept of defeating Democrats in anything.

    Subotai Bahadur

    Rupert Smedley Hepplewhite in reply to thad_the_man. | December 20, 2023 at 6:45 am

    “OK fine Colorado delegates are not going to be seated at the convention.” Hold on, I’ll check with Ronna, BRB.

    That should be what the GOPe does, but the GOPe wont.

    The CO GOP Chairman has said if this stands, he will withdraw the party from the Primary system and convert to a caucus system, which sort of solves the immediate problem. I don’t think it fixes the General Election problem should DJT be the nominee.

    Side note: I know I’m in a very small minority when I say this, but I am against the Primary system generally, especially the open primaries. Both the Democrat and Republican parties are separate from government as non-profit (!) private corporations. Every election cycle, they both hijack the election apparatus of states & their political subdivisions in order to select their nominees, which to me, private corporations having their functions run by government is flat out wrong. The NH Constitution recognizes primaries (Art 11), but doesn’t exclude other ways to choose candidates. Open primaries allow people to manipulate your opponent’s nominees, and we know this happens. IMHO.

My prognostication: This idiotic ruling will be quickly batted down by SCOTUS.

“The Colorado Supreme Court stayed its ruling until Jan. 4 to give the U.S. Supreme Court time to weigh in.

Colorado’s presidential primary ballot must be set by Jan. 5. ”

Kind of an FU to SCOTUS. They have to work over the holidays?

    JohnSmith100 in reply to rbj1. | December 19, 2023 at 8:09 pm

    I am sure that SCOTUS will be thrilled with Colorado dictating a Jan 4 deadline, arrogant SOBs.

    Felix in reply to rbj1. | December 20, 2023 at 12:32 am

    I am sure SCOTUS will stay the Colorado decision until they decide the issue. And that may well be 2025, why not? Clearly the Colorado Supreme Court has taken leave of its senses.
    If anyone engaged in an insurrection against the United States it would be the four voting to destroy the rule of law.

      Felix in reply to Felix. | December 22, 2023 at 1:46 am

      Although, having read the stay itself and not just the abridged version reported here and by legacy media, SCOTUS would not need to:

      “If review is sought in the Supreme Court before the stay expires, it shall remain in place, and the Secretary will continue to be required to include President Trump’s name on the 2024 presidential primary ballot until the receipt of any order or mandate from the Supreme Court. “

    txvet2 in reply to rbj1. | December 20, 2023 at 4:29 pm

    If I read it correctly, if/when an appeal is filed at SCOTUS, the stay will be extended indefinitely pending SCOTUS action.

      The_Mew_Cat in reply to txvet2. | December 20, 2023 at 5:14 pm

      The whole point of this CO decision is to encourage other states to do the same. At some point, SCOTUS will have to take up the issue on its merits before the 2024 election. They don’t have to do this now. A stay pending further action is sufficient.

      Felix in reply to txvet2. | December 22, 2023 at 1:49 am

      Yes. I made the mistake to trust the abridged version presented here, and given the outrageous nature of the deciision putting a meaningless stay on top would not have surprised me.

    The_Mew_Cat in reply to rbj1. | December 20, 2023 at 5:34 pm

    They don’t have to do any work. A simple stay pending further action is sufficient.

Only three Democrats had the temerity to dissent, knowing what they are doing is wrong.

Democrats have to burn down democracy in order to save it.

The SCOTUS needs to step up and stop the bull crap as it’s getting out of control.

We’re going to find out very shortly how conservative our ‘conservative’ Court really is. In a HUGE gift to the Special Counsel, the Court is signaling that it’s going to hear the Trump immunity challenge on an expedited basis. OK. Will the now hear this case on an expedited basis particularly considering the exigency of the ballot deadline? We’ll see. I suspect/hope that they’ll at least issuing a stay of the lower court’s ruling pending the opportunity to hear the case on the merits, sometime next year.

    txvet2 in reply to TargaGTS. | December 20, 2023 at 4:34 pm

    As I discovered on another website (and confirmed in the text above), SCOTUS doesn’t have to issue a stay. It’s built into the judgement above that the stay will be automatically extended if/when an appeal is filed at SCOTUS. IF that happens, which seems likely, then Trump’s name would have to be included because of the ballot deadline. Ergo, if SCOTUS agrees to review the judgement, it automatically becomes moot, at least for this particular action.

Remember when I predicted exactly this, and was called a ‘conspiracy theorist’?

Democrats are so laughably predictable.

Now a whole bunch of blue state hack AGs are going to use this as an excuse to remove Trump from THEIR ballots, as well.

They never had any intention of allowing a fair election.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair | December 19, 2023 at 7:32 pm

National Divorce.

That’s really the only reasonable avenue left to save any remnants of America and civilized Western society. The self-hating nihilist leftists and their pets need their own country to destroy and I want no part of it or them. ANyone stuck with these deranged, lunatic leftists and their pets will end up in a living hell before the leftists finally affectuate their complete destruction of civilized society.

The only sensible solution is to split with these monsters and each go our own way.

    If they don’t like our form of government, the filthy left can pack their bags and move. We don’t need to split states, they can just get the fuck out.

      ThePrimordialOrderedPair in reply to Sanddog. | December 19, 2023 at 11:51 pm

      It wouldn’t be splitting states. The left and their pets are concentrated in the major cities. Most of their population lives in about 25 major cities. They can have their little urban reservations – which is how they like to live, anyway – and the rest of the land goes to the new America. Their reservations would be easy to contain. And if they try to escape from their reservations they should be treated to a display of what a truly serious national militarized border looks like (and feels like).

        We don’t need to cede one square inch to them. If they prefer an authoritarian government with privileges instead of rights, they can leave. And once they’re gone, they lose their citizenship and any right to reenter this country.

        I agree, build walls to keep them in. Then cut all power, water, natural gas and other pipelines going into those cities. Shoot on sight anyone that tries to get out.

Aaaand Nikki Haley rides to the rescue with Liz Cheney in tow.

Trump was also arguably not an “officer of the United States.” So their BS fails on that point as well.

Another partisan decision that runs afoul of Supreme Court precedent.

The First Amendment affords the broadest protection to such political expression in order “to assure (the) unfettered interchange of ideas for the bringing about of political and social changes desired by the people.” Roth v. United States, 354 U.S. 476, 484, 77 S.Ct. 1304, 1308, 1 L.Ed.2d 1498 (1957). Although First Amendment protections are not confined to “the exposition of ideas,” Winters v. New York, 333 U.S. 507, 510, 68 S.Ct. 665, 667, 92 L.Ed. 840 (1948), “there is practically universal agreement that a major purpose of that Amendment was to protect the free discussion of governmental affairs. . . . of course includ(ing) discussions of candidates . . . .” Mills v. Alabama, 384 U.S. 214, 218, 86 S.Ct. 1434, 1437, 16 L.Ed.2d 484 (1966). This no more than reflects our “profound national commitment to the principle that debate on public issues should be uninhibited, robust, and wide-open,” New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, 376 U.S. 254, 270, 84 S.Ct. 710, 721, 11 L.Ed.2d 686 (1964). In a republic where the people are sovereign, the ability of the citizenry to make informed choices among candidates *15 for office is essential, for the identities of those who are elected will inevitably shape the course that we follow as a nation. As the Court observed in Monitor Patriot Co. v. Roy, 401 U.S. 265, 272, 91 S.Ct. 621, 625, 28 L.Ed.2d 35 (1971), “it can hardly be doubted that the constitutional guarantee has its fullest and most urgent application precisely to the conduct of campaigns for political office.”
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The First Amendment protects political association as well as political expression. The constitutional right of association **633 explicated in NAACP v. Alabama, 357 U.S. 449, 460, 78 S.Ct. 1163, 1170, 2 L.Ed.2d 1488 (1958), stemmed from the Court’s recognition that “(e)ffective advocacy of both public and private points of view, particularly controversial ones, is undeniably enhanced by group association.” Subsequent decisions have made clear that the First and Fourteenth Amendments guarantee “ ‘freedom to associate with others for the common advancement of political beliefs and ideas,’ ” a freedom that encompasses “ ‘(t)he right to associate with the political party of one’s choice.’ ” Kusper v. Pontikes, 414 U.S. 51, 56, 57, 94 S.Ct. 303, 307, 38 L.Ed.2d 260 (1973), quoted in Cousins v. Wigoda, 419 U.S. 477, 487, 95 S.Ct. 541, 547, 42 L.Ed.2d 595 (1975). Buckley v. Valeo (1976) 424 U.S. 1, 14–15

For the First Amendment right to “ ‘speak one’s mind . . . on all public institutions’ ” includes the right to engage in “ ‘vigorous advocacy’ no less than ‘abstract discussion.’ ” New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, 376 U.S., at 269, 84 S.Ct., at 721, quoting Bridges v. California, 314 U.S. 252, 270, 62 S.Ct. 190, 197, 86 L.Ed. 192 (1941), and NAACP v. Button, 371 U.S., at 429, 83 S.Ct., at 335. Advocacy of the election or defeat of candidates for federal office is no less entitled to protection under the First Amendment than the discussion of political policy generally or advocacy of the passage or defeat of legislation. Buckley v. Valeo (1976) 424 U.S. 1, 48

A provision of the Constitution that might be read to limit the citizens exercise of [the right of suffrage] should be liberally construed in his favor.

But these justices and the one in D.C. KNOW that Trump is a criminal. Who needs a trial when the justices are all knowing. Their reasoning is thinner than the air up there.

The Left is using Civil War era laws… and Jim Crow ones to define what is legal.

As I read the passage I can’t find how it applies to ex presidents. I doubt I am the only one who has reached this conclusion.

Judges are dictators in black robes.

On any blog, including this one- nothing new to add- just upvoted the already existing comments I might have written myself…

Liberals hate democracy, and this is their latest assault on it.

Tar and feathers need to be delivered to EVERY elected official as a reminder.

Remember an alleged “insurrection” by conservatives is always characterized as “peaceful protest,” “righteous resistance,” “social justice,” or, some other dishonestly positive connotation, when the Dhimmi-crats do it.

Biden could surely be pulled off ballots for being The Big Guy. Shades of the start up to the Civil War with Southern states not allowing Lincoln on the ballot. The Dems have brought back another of THEIR election strategies. Having several hundred thousand military age illegal immigrants , BLM and Antifa to “fortify” the election at street level (think Black Panthers in Philly) plus the FBI and NSA to detain any malcontent voting blocks and everything is hunky-dory.

IF this comes to blows…. making the Blue states non-voting territories in a Reconstruction Era would be marvelous.

    guyjones in reply to alaskabob. | December 19, 2023 at 9:32 pm

    Seriously; how many times has the dotard and crime boss sold out the U.S., for his and his lazy, greedy and entitled clan’s obscene self-enrichment? Too many to count.

    Given that most of them no longer have a “republican form of gov’t” returning them to territorial status would be perfectly appropriate.

    The_Mew_Cat in reply to alaskabob. | December 20, 2023 at 5:16 pm

    Comma-La can be removed for giving aid and comfort to actual insurrectionists – she organized a bail fund for BLM rioters.

The so-called “judges’ ” (Dhimmi-crat activists, in actuality) decision represents brazen and naked election interference, masquerading as alleged “jurisprudence.”

ThePrimordialOrderedPair | December 19, 2023 at 9:28 pm

Kudos to Vivek Ramaswamy for doing the right thing and withdrawing from the Colorado primary. He is also 1000% correct to call on DeSantis and the others to do the same – immediately. This should not take more than 30 seconds of thought to decide.

Vivek, once again, identifies and addresses a major problem in America (a fatal one, here). He is in a different class from the rest of the primary challengers. A class above.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair | December 19, 2023 at 10:53 pm

I went to the Colorado judiciary page to see something about one of the America-hating idiots who voted for this insane decision and this is how her name is spelled:

Monica M. Márquez

She does not even use our alphabet! There is no “á” in English. Thank G-d she isn’t Chinese or Thai, I guess …

She can’t use English for her name in America, on a state Supreme Court, but she deigns to tell Americans who is an insurrectionist and who isn’t, based on fabrications and lies and stupidity.

This is what circling the bowl feels like.

    ThePrimordialOrderedPair in reply to ThePrimordialOrderedPair. | December 19, 2023 at 11:05 pm

    To top of the irony, she’s an alphabet person!! Though on the Colorado judicial website they call it GLBT. They felt the need to rearrange “gay” and “lesbian” even though lesbians are gay – at least on the days that they identify as women and their partners also identify as women. Of course, on any given day, at any given moment, one of the can identify as male, which then makes them a heterosexual couple, according to the deranged lefty perversion of reality …

    This country is toast. Really. And we are going to be a laughing stock (and the most cautionary of tales) millenia into the future.

    Another “sage” legal mind, from the dim-witted Latina school of jurisprudence.

    FFS.. you know the Spanish were the first Europeans to settle Colorado, right? This is like bitching when you see a French name in Louisiana.

      ThePrimordialOrderedPair in reply to Sanddog. | December 20, 2023 at 3:47 pm

      FFS.. you know the Spanish were the first Europeans to settle Colorado, right?

      That means nothing. Spanish is not the language of Colorado. This is the United States of America, not Los Estados Unidos.

      You do understand the alphabet that is used for English has no accented characters??

      You can have a Spanish name. You can have all the Spanish names you want … but you have to use the English version of the alphabet. Are you going to start spelling Eastern European names (of which there are very many) using the Cyrillic alphabet??

      Come on, now. THis ain’t rocket surgery.

<b<Donald Trump will be on the Colorado ballot. The clowns that make up the Colorado “Supreme Court” are nothing less than chickensh*t. As long as Trump appeals to SCOTUS then automatically his name is on the ballot even without a ruling.

Disappointing to many of you I know.

    Barry in reply to Barry. | December 20, 2023 at 12:05 am

    Donald Trump will be on the Colorado ballot.

    Let me fix that formatting…

      thad_the_man in reply to Barry. | December 20, 2023 at 1:21 am

      The court ruling basically guarantees Trump will be on the ballot.
      The gist is that the ruling is stayed until Jan 4 or after SCOTUS rules on it, but by the time SCOTUS rules on it, it will be too late to take Trump off.

      I include a clip from the ruling in the second part of this tweet thread. I could not find a text copyable version.
      https://twitter.com/ThadTheOldMan/status/1737353138305167865

      Please retweet so the message gets out.

        The_Mew_Cat in reply to thad_the_man. | December 20, 2023 at 5:20 pm

        It serves their purpose, though. First, this ruling encourages other states to do the same. Others were reluctant, because they didn’t want to go first. Now they don’t have to. Second, although this case will be moot for the CO primary, the issue will have to be decided for the General Election. SCOTUS will be forced to decide it, assuming that Trump wins the nomination.

    Capitalist-Dad in reply to Barry. | December 20, 2023 at 9:26 am

    The justices were chicken, they were partisan. In a sane and healthy country they would be dragged from office and invited never to return—a sort of instant impeachment courtesy of the people.

    fogflyer in reply to Barry. | December 20, 2023 at 4:15 pm

    I was just scrolling through the comments to see if anyone else posted this!
    Yes, the way I read it, as long as Trump appeals the case (of course he will) then the stay continues and on Jan 5th he will be put on the ballot. The only way he wouldn’t get on the ballot is if SCOTUS actually rules on the case before Jan 5th. Fat chance!

When you read this and other rulings of the Colorado Supreme Court you’ll quickly discover that these guys are the worst judges in history. That is not an exaggeration. For one example, minor crimes in Colorado have no statute of limitations, because the CSC says that the legislature didn’t structure the the pages correctly, although that is the way they always did it.

Lost faith in electons because of voter fraud, lost all faith in Congress because of phony impeachment, lost faith in military for Afghan and UK, lost faith in doj for 100 B BLM and staged Antfia riots, now we have pushed the envelope on lawfare Star chambers. What is not broken?

Would a moderator kindly tell me why my comment was deleted?

In it I referred to another site without linking, named and paraphrased the post author, and pasted a quotation from page 9 of the PDF opinion above to highlight, and asked for thoughts.

Barry’s post above is the gist of what I posted.

Is there some nuanced rule I’ve overlooked?

I have neither the time nor the mental energy right now to go through all the comments, so this is without having read any of them.

There are at least six reasons why this decision is wrong:

1. The riot was not an insurrection.

2. Trump did not participate in the riot, nor did he address the rioters at all. The invasion of the Capitol began while he was talking to the crowd at the other end of the mall, and he had no idea it was happening. The idea that he “incited” the riot flies in the face of the definition of “incitement” given in Brandenberg.

3. Even supposing that he had personally participated in an actual insurrection, e.g. the Portland Courthouse riots, that would only disqualify him from Congress or appointed office, not from the presidency.

4. Also, the disqualification clause only applies to those who had taken an oath as a Congressman or upon being appointed to office; Trump never took such an oath, so the clause wouldn’t apply to him even if he were an insurrectionist and were running for Senator.

5. Even if he had once been a senator, participated in an actual insurrection, and was now again running for senate, the Amnesty of 1874 would cover him.

6. It’s none of the secretary of state’s business, or that of the state supreme court, whom the Republican Party wants on its internal ballots.

    Also, the disqualification clause only applies to those who had taken an oath as a Congressman or upon being appointed to office; Trump never took such an oath, so the clause wouldn’t apply to him even if he were an insurrectionist and were running for Senator.
    OK, I don’t understand you on this one. Are you saying (without saying it) that “office of the US” does not include the Presidency, and therefore there’s nothing in there about Presidential oaths and violation thereof?

    Otherwise, all excellent points.

      Milhouse in reply to GWB. | December 20, 2023 at 9:21 pm

      Yes, “office under the United States”, or “office of the United States”, means an office to which the president appoints someone, with the senate’s advice and consent. That is how the term is used throughout the constitution, so it makes little sense to say that it’s used differently in the 14th amendment.

      Yes, eighty-odd years had passed and the language had changed, so the term could have changed meaning in the interim, but even so it would be odd for the people who drafted and ratified the 14th to have used a term that is used throughout the constitution, but in a different sense. If we had to accept such an interpretation we could force it, but since the most straightforward reading of the 14th itself is in perfect accord with the original meaning, there’s no need.

    The riot was not an insurrection.
    Heck, it wasn’t even much of a riot.

      txvet2 in reply to GWB. | December 20, 2023 at 4:37 pm

      It looked like and in retrospect seems to be verified, that most of the rioting was done by the undercover Feds and Capitol Police.

An interesting test case is for Trump to sue each of the judges for defamation by slander for writing that he engaged insurrection.

Who presented the proof to what jury?

    Milhouse in reply to George S. | December 20, 2023 at 7:50 am

    1. They have absolute immunity.

    2. The onus would then be on him to prove he didn’t do it.

    3. He’s a public figure, so to win a defamation case he’d have to prove that they knew what they were saying wasn’t true.

    4. No jury is required to state what one believes to be a fact (whether it is one or not).

      MarkS in reply to Milhouse. | December 20, 2023 at 2:36 pm

      those with absolute immunity are trying to removes another’s immunity

        Milhouse in reply to MarkS. | December 20, 2023 at 9:25 pm

        No, they’re trying to define the limits of that immunity. It applies only to official acts. A judicial decision is an official act, for which the judge has absolute immunity; telling a clerk to service him under the desk is not, so he is not immune. The question is how to characterize Trump’s acts that are being challenged. Smith is defining “official acts” very narrowly; Trump is defining it very broadly. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

However, the idea that this decision is wrong because he was never convicted of insurrection, is wrong. Had he actually participated in an insurrection, having taken an oath as senator, and was now running for the senate, and there were no amnesty, the fact that he was never convicted or even charged would not save him. The clause was originally written to prevent Georgia from re-electing Alexander Stephens to the senate, but Stephens was never charged with anything, let alone convicted. Clearly it does not require a conviction. The mere fact of having participated in an insurrection is enough to disqualify a person.

But note that after the Amnesty of 1872 he was reelected to Congress, because the disability had been removed.

    I agree with you totally right down to this point (and even half-way here). The question boils down to “How do you determine if somebody *has* participated in an insurrection?’ To apply this restriction based on a claim that has not even been charged in court is a violation of the rule of law, applying a legal penalty to somebody without giving them the ability to defend themselves against the charge. ‘Presumed innocent’ loses all meaning if the State can merely handwave all the steps before sentencing.

      The_Mew_Cat in reply to georgfelis. | December 20, 2023 at 5:24 pm

      Back in the Reconstruction Era, there was no ambiguity. The Confederacy was an insurrection. But there is an ambiguity for any future insurrection that doesn’t rise to the level of civil war. And for that, only Congress can spell out, by legislation, how such an disqualification is done.

      Milhouse in reply to georgfelis. | December 20, 2023 at 9:33 pm

      The disqualification is not a penalty, so the rule of law doesn’t come in to it. Deciding whether someone is disqualified under this clause is a factual determination, so it needn’t be made by a court, there’s no right to due process, etc. It can be decided just as a candidate’s age and citizenship are, by whoever in each district is in charge of printing the ballots, and ultimately, in the case of congressional elections, by the relevant house. “Each House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members”. If the clause applied to presidential elections then the determination would have to be made by the electors, and/or by whoever is supposed to decide whether to count disputed electoral votes (a question that remains unresolved, since the Electoral Count Act is likely unconstitutional).

        Ironclaw in reply to Milhouse. | December 21, 2023 at 7:43 am

        Of course disqualification is a penalty, don’t be dense. The idea that they can take legal action and infringe his right to run for elected office based only on an accusation, and not even a formal accusation is absolutely ridiculous. It completely flies in the face of the due process clause which is in the same amendment as the disqualification clause, so you can’t even claim that it overrules due process. In our system, we find things like whether or not someone committed insurrection with a trial where they are found guilty or not. Until that ajudication, they are presumed to be innocent of any crime, and that is exactly where the question of whether or not he was involved in insurrection is at.

          Milhouse in reply to Ironclaw. | December 24, 2023 at 12:09 am

          No, it is NOT a penalty. Do you think you can just throw words around like confetti and use them however you feel like?! We are talking about laws here. If the constitution requires due process before imposing a penalty then it applies only to actual penalties. It’s blindingly obvious that it cannot apply to anything that isn’t one, and it’s equally obvious that a disqualification and a penalty are two very different things.

    However, the idea that this decision is wrong because he was never convicted of insurrection, is wrong.
    It has to have been established as a fact, however. And, given this is a legal proceeding, there are limited ways to show that. Simply stating it (since “insurrection” has a certain legal definition) is not adequate. And simply alleging it is certainly not adequate. For legal consequences to take effect, the legal requirements must be met – and no one has established that.

    It’s how they’re managing all this – allegations, instead of established facts – in order to hold themselves unaccountable for proving anything.

      Ironclaw in reply to GWB. | December 21, 2023 at 7:45 am

      Not only that. These STATE judges are not qualified to rule FEDERAL matters. So whether they believe he is an insurrectionist is immaterial, they are unqualified to make that determination.

        Milhouse in reply to Ironclaw. | December 24, 2023 at 12:12 am

        That is completely wrong. State judges have to make determinations under the federal constitution and federal law all the time, because it is binding on the states. This is a STATE question, because it’s a STATE election, so the obvious courts to decide it in the first instance are the state courts. However since it is a federal constitutional issue, it can be appealed to the federal courts.

    Azathoth in reply to Milhouse. | December 20, 2023 at 12:15 pm

    Please, Millhouse, explain to the class why you think the VP of the CSA would need to be charged and convicted of insurrection?

      He’s saying he did not have to be.

      Milhouse in reply to Azathoth. | December 20, 2023 at 9:36 pm

      According to those who claim that the disqualification clause can only be applied after a conviction in a criminal trial, with due process and all that jazz, the same would have had to apply to Stephens. The fact that the disqualification applied to him even without being charged proves that no charges or conviction is required. All that’s required is the fact of having participated in an insurrection (which Trump never did).

        Azathoth in reply to Milhouse. | December 21, 2023 at 9:32 am

        I don’t think you’re understanding.

        Why do you think anyone would have needed a trial to know that the second in command of the actual insurrection now known as the Civil War would have needed a trial to prove that he was actually involved in the insurrection he was second in command of?

          Milhouse in reply to Azathoth. | December 24, 2023 at 12:15 am

          Because we have geniuses here who claim that a trial is required in order to disqualify someone. If that is true then it would have been required in Stephens’s case too.

          You can’t distinguish the two cases; either the disqualification requires conviction at trial, or at least being criminally charged with insurrection, or it does not. If it does, then Stephens could not have been disqualified, which is ridiculous because the whole clause was originally written with him in mind. Hence it does not, so it doesn’t in Trump’s case either.

          Which doesn’t change the fact that Stephen was involved in an insurrection and Trump wasn’t. But that’s a factual distinction, not a legal one. The law is the same in both cases, only the facts are different.

    ConradCA in reply to Milhouse. | December 20, 2023 at 3:40 pm

    How do they “know” that he participated in an insurrection unless he was convicted of that crime?

      Milhouse in reply to ConradCA. | December 20, 2023 at 9:39 pm

      The same way people knew that Stephens did, or that they can know someone is too young for the office he seeks, or hasn’t been a citizen long enough. Whoever prints the ballots makes the initial determination, and if he decides against the candidate, the candidate can challenge that decision in court. Ultimately, in a congressional election, the question would be decided by the house where the candidate is asking to be seated.

        caseoftheblues in reply to Milhouse. | December 21, 2023 at 5:36 am

        Justice Samour dissenting opinion would seem to state that you are quite wrong.

          I haven’t read it, but if he says a conviction is required then he’s wrong. I’m not taking your word that that’s what he says, though.

        Ironclaw in reply to Milhouse. | December 21, 2023 at 7:49 am

        I would say that acting as an elected executive official of another country and acting in concert with an army in open and declared rebellion against the government of the United States is just a bit different than giving a speech at one end of the Mall while being unaware that there is a small riot at the other end of the mall which is obviously being done by people who are NOT listening to your speech.

          Milhouse in reply to Ironclaw. | December 24, 2023 at 12:17 am

          That’s a factual distinction, not a legal one. The law must be the same in both cases. The outcome is different because the facts are different.

        Azathoth in reply to Milhouse. | December 21, 2023 at 9:37 am

        “The same way people knew that Stephens did”

        Stephens was VP of the CSA.

        Are you saying that Trump was VP of an insurrectionist nation that engaged in a years long war against the union and was trying to attain office after his side had lost that war?

        It was self evident in Stephens case.

        It is not in Trumps’.

          Milhouse in reply to Azathoth. | December 24, 2023 at 12:19 am

          No, I am saying that the argument being advance here, that the disqualification cannot be applied without a criminal conviction, cannot be correct because it wasn’t correct in Stephens’s case. The law must be the same for Trump and Stephens. Either a conviction is required or it isn’t. Stephens’s case proves that it isn’t. So the reason Trump is not disqualified is not that he hasn’t been convicted. It’s (among many others) because he factually wasn’t involved in an insurrection and Stephens was.

        caseoftheblues in reply to Milhouse. | December 21, 2023 at 11:23 am

        I’m not sure if you are even a lawyer but you are spouting a lot of nonsense like you are some sort of experienced upper level judge….and just betting you are not

Went to bed early and wake up to max Cray Cray. This whole ‘keep DJT off the ballot b/c insurrection’ is a stupid stunt and IMO, ultimately doomed to fail. Especially so for primary ballots, which are controlled by the mechanisms of political parties.

There will be at least three positive results from this outrageous ruling that even most Never Trumpers like Christie decry as dangerous and unconstitutional. The first will be Trump climbing even further in the polls as voters realize this is an attack on their rights as much as it is on Trump. The second will be the decision overturned by SCOTUS, effectively ending these outrageous attacks in several other states. Third, Trump and the Republicans will sweep Colorado as its citizens divorce themselves from the dangerous radicals who have ruined their great state. I suggest you visit Ispeakfortrum. Com for regular updates on this issue as join in its fight for free speech.

If he was present, directing, aiding, abetting, counselling, or countenancing it, … if he directed the act, devised or knowingly furnished the means
Wouldn’t all those things require a finding of fact? Which has not happened anywhere to a proper level of due process that I know of. Nor has there been a finding of fact that an actual – as defined by law – insurrection occurred. At least in a supportable legal finding, as far as I’ve seen.

    Milhouse in reply to GWB. | December 20, 2023 at 9:41 pm

    The district court in Colorado made a finding of fact. It was a wrong finding, but a finding nonetheless.

    No due process is required, since this is not a criminal penalty.

      Alexandra in reply to Milhouse. | December 20, 2023 at 11:47 pm

      A friend says he was duly charged, tried and convicted by Congress in his second impeachment and that “counts” here. That can’t be correct.

        Milhouse in reply to Alexandra. | December 21, 2023 at 3:40 am

        No, that isn’t correct. Not only isn’t it correct, it’s not even true; in fact he was acquitted by congress.

        But it’s not necessary for him to have been charged in order to be disqualified, so the question is irrelevant.

      Ironclaw in reply to Milhouse. | December 21, 2023 at 7:51 am

      They weren’t qualified as STATE judges to make a finding of fact on a FEDERAL matter.

        Milhouse in reply to Ironclaw. | December 24, 2023 at 12:21 am

        Yes, they were (or rather, the trial judge was), because this is a STATE matter, concerning a STATE election. The state is subject to federal law and the federal constitution, so the state courts must be able to interpret it in the first instance. But their decisions can be appealed to the federal courts.

Capitalist-Dad | December 20, 2023 at 9:22 am

Typical leftists. Crooked judges, arbitrary definitions, and a lying media chocked full of leftist stooges, and 2 + 2 can be decreed to equal 5. You can’t have a civil discussion of any sort with lying leftists. The only thing they understand is force.

Tyranny seems to be cloaked in a Judges Robes

“…or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, …”

So they are saying this same action should be taken against judges (I can’t use “judstices” in good conscience) who fail to “support the Constitution” … like these? Or the ones failing to follow SCOTUS rulings on 2A issues?

    Milhouse in reply to cbt. | December 20, 2023 at 9:43 pm

    If, having taken that oath, they were then to engage in insurrection or rebellion against the same, then yes, they would in fact be disqualified from their office.

      Ironclaw in reply to Milhouse. | December 21, 2023 at 7:52 am

      I would call this an act of insurrection by them. They are certainly acting against the plain wording and the intent of the Constitution.

        Milhouse in reply to Ironclaw. | December 24, 2023 at 12:23 am

        That’s not insurrection, any more than the Capitol riot was. People are bandying this word around to the point of meaninglessness, like Orwell complained that they were doing to “fascist”.

        The Portland courthouse riots, however, as well as the CHAZ in Seattle, the riot that demolished the police station in Minneapolis, and the “Occupy” movement a few years back, were all insurrections.

Trump did pretty good on seating some decent judges.

Now we have to take the gloves off and start impeaching the bad ones. At every level. Every corrupt and partisan Superior Court judge, on up.

In CO, this means getting a majority of the CO house, and 2/3 of the CO senate. And then USING that power. Ruthlessly.

The People’s Democratic Republic of Colorado. Its one party rule dem super majority. Opposition parties are allowed to exist, to maintain the appearance of democracy, but never be allowed to win. Controlled opposition.

The SCOTUS should demand that the Colorado Supreme Court Justices show up in DC to explain why they shouldn’t have a permanent injunction against them being judges for their own “personal insurrection”.

I wonder, did the CSC bother to read the First section of the 14th Amendment? “Due Process” seems pretty important to all this, when you’re considering depriving the citizens of the state of the right to vote for their desired candidate.

    Milhouse in reply to GWB. | December 20, 2023 at 9:46 pm

    Due process is only required for criminal penalties. This is not one. And the citizens don’t have a right to vote for whomever they like; they can’t vote for a 34-year-old Canadian. So they’re not being deprived of anything.

    The decision is wrong, for many many reasons, but not for that one.

thalesofmiletus | December 20, 2023 at 11:08 am

The GOP has already said they will pull the primary and caucus instead if Trump is in fact removed from the ballot. Trump will be the nominee, and there is nothing this corrupt regime can do to stop it. Every failed attempt just brings Trump more support — now he’s getting support from his rivals. According to the polls, Trump has a super-majority among the GOP voters. This thing is happening.

    Subotai Bahadur in reply to thalesofmiletus. | December 20, 2023 at 3:45 pm

    Just in passing for some time I have been postulating a “postponement” of the 2024 elections by the current administration based on a declaration of some form of “emergency” by the Federal government. Given that the rule of law seems to be highly flexible when elections are involved, y’all might not want to rule out that concept.

    Subotai Bahadur

      I had thought that in 2016 after the Election, the Democrats would have called out their brownshirts (BLM, Antifa) to create havoc after which Obama would declare martial law. Then BHO would make the Election null and void to “bring peace” placing Hillary on the “throne”.

      With what is looming in 2024, I would not put it past the Leftist Democrats to not just postpone the Elections, but to declare them forever cancelled. They could then use the Senate to appoint their desired ruler, and to hell with the Constitution.

      You predicted the same thing in 2016 and 2012, and probably also in 2000 and 1996. Your Democrat counterparts confidently predicted it in 2020, 2008, and 2004. They’re already preemptively predicting it for 2028, should Trump win in 2024. But don’t worry, should some other Republican win they’ll predict it for 2028 anyway. It’s the same ridiculous, impossible nonsense each time.

      By the way, the refutation remains the same in all cases: The president’s term expires at noon on Jan-20 regardless of whether a new president has been elected. If none has been then the office becomes vacant, and the next person in line becomes acting president until a president is elected. There is no way for a president to extend his own term.

      There is also no such thing as “martial law” in the USA, unless the civilian courts cannot function. The minute a court opens its doors for business, any declaration of martial law for that area is automatically over.

        Ironclaw in reply to Milhouse. | December 21, 2023 at 7:55 am

        Why do you presume that a bunch of communist activists would follow the law? They’re already proven quite amply that they don’t give a damn about what the law says.

          Milhouse in reply to Ironclaw. | December 24, 2023 at 12:25 am

          Because it’s not up to them. At noon on Jan-20-2025, unless Biden has been sworn in again, he will not be president. He will not have any authority and the armed forces will not obey him. There’s nothing the communists can do about that.

It’s a stunt. They know it will be overturned but they will appease their Leftist constituents.

I am wondering what sort of conservative backlash Colorado coffers will experience – cancelled ski vacas and other tourism, etc. If I had a trip planned to CO, I beleive I’d cancel.

Dolce Far Niente | December 20, 2023 at 11:30 am

My understanding of the text was that the ruling is stayed until Jan 4, 2024 and remains stayed if the issue is appealed before Jan 4 (which of course it will be); in other words Trump’s name remains on the ballots which are printed and distributed on January 4th.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair: She does not even use our alphabet! There is no “á” in English.

The Márquez family have been residents of Colorado for generations. They are as American as any other American. Gee whiz. The very name of Colorado is from the Spanish for the red-colored river which has its headwaters in the state.

GWB: Wouldn’t all those things require a finding of fact?

The finding of fact was made at trial. See Anderson v. Griswold. The Colorado Supreme Court reviewed and affirmed the factual findings.

Capitalist-Dad: In a sane and healthy country they would be dragged from office and invited never to return—a sort of instant impeachment courtesy of the people.

Mob rule undermines the rule of law.

Milhouse: 1. The riot was not an insurrection.

You are certainly free to disagree, but a substantial court record has been established. The trial court and the Supreme Court affirmed that it was an insurrection. Juries at trial have also found individuals guilty of seditious conspiracy.

Milhouse: 2. Trump did not participate in the riot, nor did he address the rioters at all.

Direct participation is not required, of course. That the rioters were at the other end of the mall is also immaterial due to something called “the Internet.”

Milhouse: The idea that he “incited” the riot flies in the face of the definition of “incitement” given in Brandenberg.

The trial court found that he knew the effect his words would have.

Milhouse: 3. Even supposing that he had personally participated in an actual insurrection, e.g. the Portland Courthouse riots, that would only disqualify him from Congress or appointed office, not from the presidency.

That contention would mean that the 14th Amendment wouldn’t have precluded Jefferson Davis from being president—which is preposterous.

Milhouse: 4. Also, the disqualification clause only applies to those who had taken an oath as a Congressman or upon being appointed to office; Trump never took such an oath

Article II Section 1 Clause 8: “Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:– I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.” {emphasis added}

Milhouse: 5. Even if he had once been a senator, participated in an actual insurrection, and was now again running for senate, the Amnesty of 1874 would cover him.

The amnesty did not and could not cover future acts.

Milhouse: 6. It’s none of the secretary of state’s business, or that of the state supreme court, whom the Republican Party wants on its internal ballots.

Neil Gorsuch: “a state’s legitimate interest in protecting the integrity and practical functioning of the political process permits it to exclude from the ballot candidates who are constitutionally prohibited from assuming office.”

A lot of the ambiguity could have been resolved if Congress had ever passed legislation to enforce the provision. Nonetheless, the U.S. Supreme Court will almost certainly issue a stay, and then, at some point, overturn the decision.

    mailman in reply to Zachriel. | December 20, 2023 at 5:58 pm

    Mob rule is what Democrats have specialised in, especially post 2016.

    Trump was not appointed to office, as a congressman is appointed to office. He was elected in to office by the people.

    Most importantly it all, Trump has the constitutional right of free speech to say exactly the same thing that every Democrat has said every time an election did not go their way.

    Now what you are telling us is that Trump does not have the constitutional right to free speech because, in your opinion he instigated an insurrection.

    Now imagine your surprise when you discover what Democrats got up to in order to get Trump impeached and then removed from office through their great russia collusion hoax.

    Now to me, and I may only be a simple person, what democrats did in order to remove Trump through their Russia collusion hoax looks a heck of a lot more like an insurrection than your fairy tale Jan6 insurrection ever was.

    I cannot wait for Hillary to be treated in the same fashion Trump is being treated for saying the exact same thing (that the election was stolen from her). Somehow I suspect you will not be arguing for her to be treated the same way eh. Just a hunch I have. Could be wrong 🤷‍♂️😂😂

      mailman: Mob rule is what Democrats have specialised in, especially post 2016.

      Mob rule undermines the rule of law, whoever does it. In this case, it was explicitly advocated by Capitalist-Dad on this very thread.

      mailman: Trump was not appointed to office, as a congressman is appointed to office.

      Members of Congress are elected to office.

      mailman: Most importantly it all, Trump has the constitutional right of free speech to say exactly the same thing that every Democrat has said every time an election did not go their way.

      It’s not illegal to claim the election was unfair. The trial court, however, found that Trump made statements he knew would result in the storming of the Capitol, which is illegal.

        mailman in reply to Zachriel. | December 21, 2023 at 3:14 am

        Stop backing me up about Democrats use of mob law.

        Secondly the ONLY way Democrats can claim Trump incited the mob on Jan 6, which was pretty much made up of Feds 😂, is to twist and contort the words they desired to hear from Trump on the day.

        In other words Democrats have to make shit up, much like they have been making shit up every day since Trump came down that escalator at Trump Tower.

        This is the amazing thing about Democrats, they contain a magical ability to divine meaning where there is none and in the same breath have an absolute ability to not see the plain meaning of words as they are written down in front of them.

        There has been no trial in regards to insurrection and the 14th Amendment makes it quite clear to anyone who is not an intellectual Pygmy that a trail with full DUE PROCESS must be held before such a proclamation of guilt can be used to bar anyone from appearing on the ballot.

        This has not happened just as Trump has not been charged ANYWHERE with such a crime.

        This will be over turned 7-2 by SCOTUS. It really should be 9-0 but diversity appointed Democrats will Democrat as they are prisoners of their ideology.

          mailman: There has been no trial in regards to insurrection

          Anderson v. Griswold included an evidentiary trial. By “clear and convincing evidence,” the trial court found that Trump engaged in insurrection. The state Supreme Court reviewed and affirmed the finding. Feel free to disagree with the finding, but the court record has been established by the state courts.

          Ironclaw in reply to mailman. | December 21, 2023 at 9:50 pm

          Zachriel …. STATE judges have no jurisdiction ruling on FEDERAL matters.

          Ironclaw: STATE judges have no jurisdiction ruling on FEDERAL matters.

          That is not correct. State Secretaries of State routinely reject candidates for office due to age and citizenship status, which are both federal requirements under the U.S. Constitution.

          Just to reiterate: The decision concerning Trump’s eligibility will almost certainly be overturned by the Supreme Court, probably on equal protection and due process grounds. There has to be a uniform rule that applies across the states. See section 5.

          Milhouse in reply to mailman. | December 24, 2023 at 12:27 am

          the 14th Amendment makes it quite clear to anyone who is not an intellectual Pygmy that a trail with full DUE PROCESS must be held before such a proclamation of guilt can be used to bar anyone from appearing on the ballot.

          That is not true. Almost everything else you wrote is true, but not that.

          Milhouse in reply to mailman. | December 24, 2023 at 12:28 am

          Just to reiterate: The decision concerning Trump’s eligibility will almost certainly be overturned by the Supreme Court, probably on equal protection and due process grounds. There has to be a uniform rule that applies across the states. See section 5.

          I think it will be overturned, but not on those grounds.

      Milhouse in reply to mailman. | December 20, 2023 at 10:13 pm

      Trump was not appointed to office, as a congressman is appointed to office. He was elected in to office by the people.

      Congressmen are not appointed either. That’s why they are specifically listed in the disqualification clause, rather than included under “officers of the united states”. If the 14th
      ‘s drafters and ratifiers had wanted to include the presidency and vice presidency as well, they would have said so.

    Milhouse in reply to Zachriel. | December 20, 2023 at 10:11 pm

    That contention would mean that the 14th Amendment wouldn’t have precluded Jefferson Davis from being president—which is preposterous.

    That’s right, had the electoral college decided it wanted him as president it could have elected him. It would be preposterous to claim otherwise. On what grounds should the entire nation be denied the president it wants? If it were willing to have Davis as president, why should it not have? Why should it have needed Congress’s permission?

    Article II Section 1 Clause 8: “Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:– I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.” {emphasis added}

    The office of president is not an “office under the united states”, nor is it an “office of the united states”. The disqualification clause specifies which oaths make a person subject to it, and this one isn’t there.

    The amnesty did not and could not cover future acts.

    Says who? The constitution says Congress can “remove such disability”. It doesn’t limit it to people who are already disqualified at the time. It doesn’t even limit it to people who are already alive at the time. If Congress were to have decided to remove the disability from anyone born after 1900, that would have been valid. As it is, it removed it from “all persons” with certain exceptions. Trump isn’t one of the exceptions, and he is a person.

    Neil Gorsuch: “a state’s legitimate interest in protecting the integrity and practical functioning of the political process permits it to exclude from the ballot candidates who are constitutionally prohibited from assuming office.”

    That applies only to a general election. A primary is an internal party process, and telling a party whom it can consider for nomination interferes with the party’s 1st amendment rights.

      Milhouse: That’s right, had the electoral college decided it wanted him as president it could have elected him.

      It’s hard to argue that the framers thought to bar Jefferson Davis from Congress, but not the presidency.

      Milhouse: On what grounds should the entire nation be denied the president it wants?

      The same grounds to deny people of a congressional district the representative they want.

      Milhouse: The office of president is not an “office under the united states”, nor is it an “office of the united states”.

      Of course it is, as the oath makes clear. Under that interpretation, Jefferson Davis could have run for governor who would similarly not be under the state. It’s very doubtful that the framers thought Davis could run for anything that involved an oath of allegiance having broken his oath before.

      Milhouse: The constitution says Congress can “remove such disability”. It doesn’t limit it to people who are already disqualified at the time.

      It’s very doubtful that the framers of the Amnesty Act meant to do that. However, we grant it’s an open legal question.

        Milhouse in reply to Zachriel. | December 24, 2023 at 12:47 am

        It’s hard to argue that the framers thought to bar Jefferson Davis from Congress, but not the presidency.

        On the contrary, it’s very easy to argue it, because that is exactly what they actually did. Therefore it’s obvious that they thought to do so.

        Milhouse: On what grounds should the entire nation be denied the president it wants?

        The same grounds to deny people of a congressional district the representative they want.

        Not logical at all. The whole point of the clause was to prevent rebel states and districts from electing their fellow rebels, as Georgia did with Stephens. That consideration clearly doesn’t apply to the two offices that were pointedly excluded.

        Milhouse: The office of president is not an “office under the united states”, nor is it an “office of the united states”.

        Of course it is, as the oath makes clear.

        Now you’re just making things up. The oath does not identify the presidency as an office under of or the united states. And throughout the constitution those terms always refer only to appointed office.

        I don’t know whether the governorship is an office under the state. That term is not used anywhere else in the constitution, so there’s nothing to compare it to.

        It’s very doubtful that the framers of the Amnesty Act meant to do that.

        What they meant is irrelevant; all that matters is what they did, i.e. what the text of the law meant at the time it was passed. And the text is very clear: “all persons”. That hasn’t changed meaning in the last 150 years.

        You seem to be reasoning by analogy from presidential clemency, which everyone agrees can only be given for past offenses, not future ones; pardoning future offenses is not clemency, it’s a dispensation. But just as disqualification in the first place is not a penalty, Congress’s power to remove it is not clemency. These are very different things, so one should not expect the same rules to apply. Nothing in the constitution’s text implies that Congress can’t remove the disqualification from future insurrectionists, and nothing in the Act implies that it didn’t.

    Azathoth in reply to Zachriel. | December 21, 2023 at 9:41 am

    There is no point in replying to Zachriel.

    It is not rational.

    This creature is here to vomit forth the current approved propaganda line.

    Ignore it.

Colorado is for dopes.
Nice scenery though.

I’m glad you Cousins have got your Second Amendment!
Way things are going, it looks like you’re going to need it!
I really wish we had something similar this side of the Pond.

Since an insurrection can be whatever we want it to be and there is also a provision on giving aid and comfort to an enemy, Joe could easily be removed from the ballot in every state with a Republican supreme court as he has given aid to Iran, Hamas, The Taliban, etc,etc,….etc!

Infuriating decision. Makes CO now a one party state. Disenfranchises millions of Republican voters in CO.

Now CA trying to follow CO ??

I guess that’s a pretty smart move to prevent Trump from running (for a little while) but that is real voter interference to people who want to vote for Trump, kinda like having only one name the ballot but it’s a “free and open” election.

I read that Trump has not been charged, tried or convicted of “insurrection.” A lib friend said he has in impeachment 2. Does that count as charged tried and convicted with regard to the CO decision???

    Milhouse in reply to Alexandra. | December 20, 2023 at 11:52 pm

    No, it doesn’t, but there is no requirement that he should be. If he had participated in an insurrection, after having taken one of the listed oaths not to, and were now running for congress, and there had been no amnesty, the fact of his actions would have been sufficient to make him disqualified from the office he would be seeking. None of those hypotheticals is true, but supposing they were the disqualification would be automatic. Who gets to enforce it, though, would still be another question, which would have to be resolved in such a scenario.

    artichoke in reply to Alexandra. | December 21, 2023 at 12:40 am

    It could at most count as charged and acquitted. And having been acquitted (by the Senate), it further neuters these overblown charges used in Colorado to push him off the ballot.

      Milhouse in reply to artichoke. | December 24, 2023 at 12:49 am

      I don’t think it further neuters them. I don’t think it affects them at all, one way or another. And I don’t think it would affect them even if he had been convicted.

The Dems are clever. The Reps are now talking about getting back at Biden by suing to kick him off state ballots. But that would give the Dem establishment the excuse they’re looking for to nominate someone else in 2024, nominate someone who can make all 50 state ballots.

So Trump is maybe the Reps strongest candidate in a general election (I’m not so sure, but he could be) but many Dems feel Biden would be their weakest possible candidate. They’re perfectly willing to trade.