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Almost this entire al-Ahli Baptist Hospital story is a massive lie started by Hamas and amplified by western media

Almost this entire al-Ahli Baptist Hospital story is a massive lie started by Hamas and amplified by western media

There was no Israeli bombing, a hospital was not hit or seriously damaged, something hit the parking lot leaving cars just yards away intact, almost certainly part of a misfired terror group rocket, and the likelihood that over 500 people were killed is slim.

We have had several posts about the false allegation that Israel bombed a Gaza hospital killing 500 or more civilians. This set off riots on “the Arab street” in numerous nations, caused the cancelation of a summit with Biden, the President of Egypt, the King of Jordan, and the Palestinian Authority President. It also helped Iran make the case for regional war on Israel and the U.S. to its proxies.

People have died and will die because of this lie.

Almost this entire al-Ahli Baptist Hospital story is a massive lie started by Hamas and amplified without question for hours by western media, including the NY Times, Islamic world media, and alt-right influencers. There was no Israeli bombing, a hospital was not hit or seriously damaged, something hit the parking lot leaving cars just yards away intact, almost certainly part of a misfired terror group rocket, and the likelihood that over 500 people were killed is slim.

Here is the sourcing, “for the record”.

The physical evidence shows a small crater, no substantial damage to the hospital, and a hit in a parking lot

Other Physical Evidence

The U.S. Assessment

The Israeli Assessment

The media was complicit


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Now get back to the business of leveling Gaza and eliminating hamas. Take out hezbollah while you’re at it.

Any chances that the liberal media will profusely apologize for their bad journalism? I recall that after the Mueller report came out, a report that Mueller apparently never read, they never apologized.

It was a classic information operation. The media ran with it because they did not think it could be disproven.

About the only thing we know for sure is that there is a building it might even be a hospital.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair | October 18, 2023 at 8:26 pm

I’m surprised that AP and Reuters didn’t jump in and print some photoshopped images to help hamas and iran. I remember when they did that against American troops in Iraq and against Israel in Lebanon. AP had photoshopped images of civilian injuries in Iraq (against America) and Reuters had run completely made-up images of Israeli bombing in Lebanon. The reuters images were discovered because they had copied and pasted one smoke cloud over and over and over.

I can’t wait for green helmet guy to start showing up in Gaza.

Muhammad al-Dura could not have scripted it better. Wonder what he’s doing these day?

    He was alive and uninjured when he was put in the ambulance, but I don’t believe he got out of that ambulance alive. Why would they let him live, when he was so valuable to them dead? Not that there would be much risk of anyone reporting that they’d seen him in the street, but why take even that small risk, when it would be so easy to prevent?

    I thought the same thing when the world started to make a huge fuss about Raoul Wallenberg. I thought, if by some chance he was still alive before they started the campaign, he’s definitely not alive any more.

Unfortunately, it’s a lie that might well result in Muslim violence in the West. Face it, having large populations of Muslims in your country is a bad idea. Should adjust immigration priorities accordingly. Ideally, no more Muslim immigrants, esp not illegal invaders.

    henrybowman in reply to CMartel732. | October 19, 2023 at 12:04 am

    When you let in everybody who shows up, I don’t believe adjustments are even possible.

    Peabody in reply to CMartel732. | October 19, 2023 at 12:13 am

    Not all Muslims are bad. The ninety-nine per cent bat sh*t crazy Muslims give the one per cent moderate Muslims a bad name.

      DaveGinOly in reply to Peabody. | October 19, 2023 at 8:35 pm

      Unfortunately for them, their religion preaches deceit as a tool for the advancement of Muslims and Islam when dealing with non-believers. Any person who identifies themselves as a Muslim cannot be trusted to accurately recount their background and life experiences to immigration officials. Not our fault that their religion makes them untrustworthy. I get it that most Muslims aren’t a threat, but don’t rely on them to confess terrorist ties when they attempt to enter the country. (Or course, it’s true that no terrorist can be trusted, but deceit isn’t expected as a matter of doctrine from the followers of most major religions. This is a distinction held solely by Islam.)

I don’t think you need an ammo dump. Unused rocket fuel and car gasoline give a nice fire. Probably a half dozen dead.

With a few exceptions, all counter-narrative is on Twitter.
Musk the knight-errant buying twitter was a unheralded eucatastrophe.

The following link is threaded twitter.

Also – Mollie Hemingway is Stalwart.

Truth is the first casualty of war. Wouldn’t be surprising it muzzies blew themselves up by accident. Muzzies are more crazy than smart.

Palis install rocket launchers on the roof tops of apartment buildings, where they dry out their laundry. Then Palis protest with the apartment building gets targeted.

What can do with that??

    ahad haamoratsim in reply to smooth. | October 19, 2023 at 12:21 pm

    Meanwhile how many people outside Israel know that a Hamas rocket struck the children’s ward of Barzilai Hospital in Ashkelon Israel on October 11?

    DaveGinOly in reply to smooth. | October 19, 2023 at 8:37 pm

    True. But who can blame them when the rocket exhaust so quickly dries the laundry, and leaves it smelling springtime Intifada fresh!

To hide their fault, they make it up as they go along, and blame Israel. Pavlov and Alinsky smile. The world suffers.

Prefer Shirley Temper, truth be told.

The immediate impulse on the part of many legacy media organs to condemn Israel here should be astounding but instead its not even disappointing b/c we all expected this reaction. It’s not confined to reporting about about Israel. It comes on the heels of the many fake propaganda stories out of Ukraine. It comes after the many outright false accusations against Trump. It comes after the many distortions and suppressed evidence about Covid. It has become so pervasive, so ordinary that many of us would find it unusual if they failed to do it.

Since 2016 the ‘narrative’ has become the uniting force of the ideologues. The truth not only doesn’t come first it comes last behind every other consideration. Only after the purposeful misinformation has been spread far and wide, with its secondary and tertiary impacts kindled from bright spark to inferno on fuel of lies, does the truth begin to creep in. First comes the stealth edit, then the unacknowledged walk back asserting ‘our sources said’.

As clear evidence mounts which easily refutes the initial headlines the narrative subtlety shifts to a version of whataboutism followed by a passive aggressive claim that viewers/readers need to know the ‘story’ immediately. The next to last phase is what I term as an ‘appeal to journalistic patriotism’ in which the liars now tell us they lied for our own good and not due to the ‘narrative’. Like other scoundrels they seek refuge behind a facade which they pretend not to know that we don’t believe anymore. The final phase comes much, much later. Usually a few years later when one of the principal liars needs to sell their book about their experience as a ‘journalist’, then they will obfuscate and duck and dodge in the QA until pinned down and finally admit that ‘mistakes were made and processes put in place as a result. The ‘narrative’ is not only pervasive it is profitable.

Used Car lots during the Summer of Love saw more damage than this

    henrybowman in reply to murkyv. | October 19, 2023 at 12:05 am

    “This is a close picture of the crater caused by the failed PIJ rocket (taken by a Palestinian journalist).
    So, that has killed 500 Palestinians…??”

    They live underground, ya dumshit! In TUNNELS!

I picked this up late last night that it wasn’t the Hospital that took a hit with the same pics and details you posted here.
In today’s NY Post where the lede printed it was the Hospital and 500 were killed. I couldn’t believe it.
This was what I posted as a comment rebuttal.
“It wasn’t Israelis. It was Hamas. It wasn’t a Hospital with 500 dead. It was was an errant Hamas missile intended for the Hospital which misfired and hit the Parking lot full of cars (explains the fire grab pic’s) and the debris of the explosion which caused deaths and destruction to a surrounding park. Most likely staff or visitors resting spot.”
I was called out for not knowing what actually happened. In the NY Post!!

The truth is hard to accept by way of too many who have been caught up in the middle of having so many lies shoved down their throats by those who are suppose to be our ‘elected’ leaders and reporters who are shown to be the biggest liers of them all. And a far left which enable and perpetuate the lies.

    wendybar in reply to Another Voice. | October 19, 2023 at 5:05 am

    The New York Post sucks lately. They have become The Daily News under the Murdocks. The only good thing about them is Miranda Devine

    iconotastic in reply to Another Voice. | October 19, 2023 at 9:20 am

    I don’t care who hit the hospital. This is a war that Israel must win and if a hospital, school, or apartment building is between the IDDF and their targets then too bad. Legalistic discussions of legal tactics and illegal tactics are utter garbage. The Arabs don’t care. The Israelis should only care about not wasting munitions in the so-called civilians in Gaza.

Overhead drones could easily confirm the situation. Coverage by the MSM absolutely will cause deaths. This is just sickening. IMO if the newspaper owners had any integrity – and that includes Bezos of Amazon who owns the Washington Post – they would demand a front page headline story on the lie or the editors resignations.

While the Gazans did this to themselves, why are we bringing morality into this? Remember, the Gazans attacked civilians, raped babies, and burned bodies. This war has no rules.

    Or rather, the rules it has are the old ones, before Progressives thought they could make war nicer and more “humane”.

    iconotastic in reply to InEssence. | October 19, 2023 at 11:18 am

    Exactly true. This is war. A war of extermination by Gaza and Iran against Israel. A war prosecuted without a shred of concern for any internationally accepted rules of war. In truth, every Hamas, IJ, and active supporters can be shot or hung when captured.

    Israelis would be fools to consider their enemies as deserving anything but elimination.

Thank you!

Even if the IDF had accidentally hit the hospital with a missile, it still would have been Hamas’s fault for instigating this war.

No other nation on Earth is held to this absurd and unfair standard of adhering to a 100 percent mistake-free level of total perfection in waging war against a vicious enemy, and, the hyper-scrutiny that accompanies that standard. This slanderous agitprop and the dhimmi useful idiots who lazily/stupidly parrot and regurgitate it, are evil.

    No other nation on Earth
    I disagree slightly. The US is often held to that standard, as well.

      guyjones in reply to GWB. | October 19, 2023 at 1:19 pm

      Fair point, but, I’d submit that the amped-up and fanatical level of scrutiny and vitriol is exclusively reserved for Israel. Even U.S. military operations don’t receive the same insane level of spite and obsessive, hyperbolic and dishonest analysis.

This set off riots on “the Arab street” in numerous nations
This was the whole point – getting the ignorant commoners riled up – as well as giving an excuse to some gov’ts to act badly.

An added bonus is the outrage of the useful idiots in places like America.

This lying thing is part of their culture. It’s why they and the Progressives get along so well.

It will be interesting to see the savages’ reaction at the future reports of injured people being taken to this hospital that was “destroyed”. How will they imagine a hospital that was rebuilt in days or weeks?

The Tet offensive was also a failure by the North Vietnamese. Until Walter Cronkite proclaimed it a success.

This is a propaganda war.

    DaveGinOly in reply to rbj1. | October 19, 2023 at 8:58 pm

    The Tet Offensive is an interesting example of the difference between tactics and strategy. The communists lost the battle, they were destroyed utterly. Tactically, we can say “We won.” (Cronkite, and the rest, lied to the American people when they told us – yes, I remember it – we had been wooped.) But the NVA didn’t intend to win the tactical battle. Indeed, they intended to lose it in order to reach a strategic goal, the elimination of the Viet Cong, in particular, their officers and NCOs (who always take casualties out of proportion to their numbers on the battlefield).

    The elimination of the VC as a coherent, effective fighting force prepared the South for its occupation by the North, so that when unification came, there would be no force remaining there capable of contesting the North’s authority. By destroying the VC, we helped the North achieve it’s strategic goal, and prevented a continuing struggle for control of South Vietnam that would have otherwise occurred after the North occupied the South.

    Communists will, of course, do anything to seize power and maintain it, and that includes sacrificing the lives of communists who might stand in the way.

Outanding writeup, Prof. Jacobsen. The comments are the usual mixed bag, but that post was one for the ages. Kudos to you!

Is there an Israeli that could sue the New York Times for libel?