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In-N-Out Reportedly Won’t Allow Employees to Wear Masks Without a Doctor’s Note

In-N-Out Reportedly Won’t Allow Employees to Wear Masks Without a Doctor’s Note

It doesn’t apply to California because the state has a law that doesn’t allow employers to ban masks.

Activist Dr. Lucky Tran revealed a source told him that In-N-Out Burger has banned employees from wearing masks without a doctor’s note.

“We are introducing new mask guidelines that emphasize the importance of customer service and the ability to show our Associates’ smiles and other facial features while considering the health and well-being of all individuals,” states the document that Tran posted. “We believe this policy will also help to promote clear and effective communication both with our Customers and among our Associates.”

If an employee has a medical note, then they must wear the N-95 mask provided by the company.

If the employee wants to wear another type of mask, the doctor needs to point that out in the note.

The policy only applies to stores in Arizona, Colorado, Nevada, Texas, and Utah.

California has a law that doesn’t allow employers to ban masks.

Tran insists the move is discriminatory.

But if anyone paid attention in 2020, In-N-Out made waves because it fought against California’s COVID vaccine mandate.

San Francisco shut down the only In-NB-Out in the city when it refused to check for vaccine passports. The Contra Costa County Health Services shut down the In-N-Out in Pleasant Hill for doing the same thing.


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2smartforlibs | July 17, 2023 at 1:11 pm

It’s a member of the service industry. Your face pays the bills, not your mask.


Anyone want to do a pool on how many notes will be signed “Epstein’s Mom”?

E Howard Hunt | July 17, 2023 at 1:18 pm

I don’t dine out often, but when I do, I demand one thing- excellence. Therefore, I dine only in those establishments that require all wait and kitchen staff wear Level A Hazmat Suits.

    Peabody in reply to E Howard Hunt. | July 17, 2023 at 1:46 pm

    Ah yes, Reminds me of the Chinese Wet Market sit down/take out located acrross the street from the Wuhan Lab. They serve excellent bat soup at that location.

      Tionico in reply to Peabody. | July 18, 2023 at 7:20 pm

      you mean th place that COOKS the bat meat as the soup is being made? COOKS the meat which brings ALL the meat far above the highest temperature any virus can survive? THAT bat soup kitchen?

      Anyone who thinks that virus came out of the wet market soup kithens is either willfully ignorant, very stupid, or treasonous.

Businesses shouldn’t be forced to pander to those who wish to hide their faces whether they are employees or customers.

When we line up at the infusion center for our 72 hour meal we will all be thankful that no icky Human hands will have touched the sweet Agave nectar being circulated through the sani-hepi port that is all the rage. Gustation…how Twentieth Century?

How is complying with State Law discrimination? If the legislature of a given State, in its ‘infinite wisdom’, chooses to adopt a prohibition to preclude an employer from requiring supporting medical evidence to justify an employee request to wear a mask they can always do so, if the legislative majority exist to pass such legislation.

Where a State does have such legislation, as in CA, the employer isn’t refusing a mask request they are simply requiring the most effective of the commonly available masks to be worn. Importantly, the employer is providing the mask at no expense to their employees.

When you can’t do what you want when you want it isn’t discrimination it’s called life. Wanna make the rules in your workplace? Easy peasy, become your own employer. Until then STFU or quit, find a new employer who will cater to your every desire.

    alaskabob in reply to CommoChief. | July 17, 2023 at 1:58 pm

    True…but..ah…the Post Civil War South states are calling about wanting their discrimination back. The face diaper is a sign of not only compliance but subservience to the State. Also…. a psychological crutch…. for settled science.

      CommoChief in reply to alaskabob. | July 17, 2023 at 2:31 pm

      ‘…post civil war Southern States …want their discrimination back’? I truly don’t get this part of your comment.

        jhkrischel in reply to CommoChief. | July 18, 2023 at 10:06 am

        “I say, I say, it’s a joke son!” – Foghorn Leghorn

        The joke i that the post-bellum democrat south was a bastion of racism and discrimination, and somehow their moral failings have since been stolen by California, and now imaginary representatives of those racist southern democrats want those moral failings returned like property.

          CommoChief in reply to jhkrischel. | July 18, 2023 at 12:04 pm

          You do realize that there was also discrimination and racial bigotry practiced in States outside the South? Plenty existed in hiring, employment and promotion decisions as well as union membership opportunities. Then there is housing discrimination. Let’s not forget substantial public resistance to integration of public schools in the North.

          As a native of Alabama born after the civil rights era who attended integrated public schools and lived in an integrated society growing up I can tell you that the stereotypes against white Southern men are very real.

          I have personally faced prejudice and been denied opportunities because of where I was born and the color of my skin. Not from black folks nor at anything approaching the level non whites faced pre civil rights era but I still faced it from Northern/Western whites who want to lump everyone from the South into either the category of racist oppressor or the victim of racist oppression.

          In a purely comedic context sure go for it, I like a sarcastic joke, risque humor and social commentary jokes such as Chappelle offers. Outside that context, many of us who have had this crap unjustly heaped upon us our all our adult lives won’t find it very funny. Especially when, yet again, folks from outside the South seek to conceal the truth about the history in their own States by, subconsciously or not, pointing to the history of the South but failing to bring up their State history.

      DSHornet in reply to alaskabob. | July 18, 2023 at 9:22 am

      If you think the post-Civil War Southern states are the only ones where racial discrimination occurred, you obviously don’t get out often. Some of the most virulent, disgusting racial statements I’ve heard came from people born and raised in the North.

        jhkrischel in reply to DSHornet. | July 18, 2023 at 10:07 am

        It took a long time for the Southern states to become less racist, by becoming less Democrat, but it eventually happened.

        Sadly, as other free states became more Democrat, they become more racist, and now we’re living in 2023, where Democrat activists once again lobby for race-consciousness and segregation.

        Tionico in reply to DSHornet. | July 18, 2023 at 7:47 pm

        anyone else remember the “hippie” phenomenon? Talk about discrimination!!!! Long hair on men, barefoot, tie=dyed tee shirts, full or long beards, pony tails on man, rattletrap old cars (particularly anything VW), no matter how scrupulously legal and safe, hitchhiking, guitar slung over the shoulder in back…… and some of the most outrageous of this discrimination occurred in California. I know I was there, then. Got harassed in businesses, by the coppers, it was a wakeup call, particulalry as this came hard on the heels of the whole “some civil rights” movement.

          CaptTee in reply to Tionico. | July 18, 2023 at 9:35 pm

          A friend and I hitchhiked from Illinois to California in July 1972. The only place we got harassed was in California where a Chip officer on a motorcycle gave us tickets. My friend was going to fight the ticket in court. I was starting a job in August and couldn’t so my Mom paid the fine by mail.

    randian in reply to CommoChief. | July 17, 2023 at 11:26 pm

    the employer is providing the mask at no expense to their employees

    Yes, but note that In-n-Out (which I approve) is requiring that anybody who demands to wear a mask pay the price for their foolishness. N95 masks are less comfortable and have a greater effect on ease of breathing than cloth masks.

      CommoChief in reply to randian. | July 18, 2023 at 8:18 am

      That’s one way to look at it. Another way would be to applaud them for providing the most effective commonly available mask to their employees gratis. It fits snug and reduces air flow b/c that’s the price of effective PPE.

      All the morons with their loose masks or best in class for jackassery hand knitted masks which are not effective who spent two+years virtue signaling that work for this employer are about to find out how ineffective their masks were.

    Tionico in reply to CommoChief. | July 18, 2023 at 7:36 pm

    Hey Commie Man Get a clue. Most of the mask mandaates and prohibitions against prohibitng them did NOT come out of the state legislatures.. which is precisely HOW theo got tossed out onto the dunghill where they belong. Most mandatees for masks and/or shots arose out of non0accontable state good ol buy agencies. NOT elected representatives as mandated by the US Constitution…
    and your delusions regarding the mug nappies being effective.. get a clue!!! Not only do those things bring adverse short and long term harms to their users, they DO NOT and CAN NOT stop the virus. It is simply too small. Roughly equivalent to erecting a chain link fence with no add=on slats to keep mosquitos out of your yard and house. Get off yer thick end and go learn the size range of the virus itself, then compare with the certified size of the pores and openings in the N 95 mask. It would be about the equivalent of a kid in a skateboard being prevented from passing over the end zone of a football field, between the two goalposts. Except it would be a more accurate comparison if the two goalposts were as far apart as the two furthest separated boundary lines of the entire stadium and car-park.

      CommoChief in reply to Tionico. | July 18, 2023 at 8:46 pm

      If you had been here long enough to view any previous discussion about Rona/masks or public health you would already know my stance re masks, mandates, the totalitarian impulses of govt and the abject failure of the public health community during Covid and beyond.

      Even without that knowledge all you need is better reading comprehension to see that did not make any claims in support of mandates nor did I ever state that the N95 is effective v Rona. I did state that it is the most effective of the commonly available choices; which is true. It is the best choice among all the other bad choices of commonly available PPE. Just as a .38 special would be the most effective choice among it, a 22LR and a pellet gun when facing a Kodiak Bear. None of them will likely do the job but if you can only choose one…you pick the best of the bad lot.

      Go bark somewhere else until your reading comprehension catches up to the velocity of your yap.

At this point, anyone still wearing a mask is proving that they should not be allowed out of the house without close adult supervision.

    henrybowman in reply to Rusty Bill. | July 17, 2023 at 3:12 pm

    I wish more people would take a week’s vacation on a rez. It’s not just that “people are still voluntarily wearing them,” it’s that “tinpot governments and retail outlets are still mandating them.”

    Not entirely true.
    There are people for whom the marginal help provided by a decent mask is important, and they don’t want to be homebound. But I’m talking people with some immune disorders, elderly who just get sick easily, people with really bad allergies, etc.

    Hence In-N-Out wanting the medical excuse.

    I try to only judge if they’re giving me or others the stink eye as if we’re awful for not also masking up. (But it is hard after those 3 years.)

      4rdm2 in reply to GWB. | July 17, 2023 at 5:30 pm

      If someone’s immune system is that fragile they likely shouldn’t be working in a build service industry job.

      randian in reply to GWB. | July 17, 2023 at 11:34 pm

      There is no evidence that masks have any statistically significant effect on respiratory viruses, or even most bacteria. If it’s so marginal it isn’t measurable within the margin of error you’re doing it on faith not evidence, rather like the Japanese fetish for mask wearing.

      Heck, I’ve seen studies that say that masks worn during surgery don’t really do much of anything either, and that’s an amazing result to have been allowed to be published given that wearing masks in surgery is one of the strongest axioms of medical faith.

        jagibbons in reply to randian. | July 18, 2023 at 8:11 am

        And most of the masks that I see these days are more chin covers than anything. What’s the point of having a mask on under one’s chin other than the self-soothing comfort of having the all powerful talisman.

        RickTheBear in reply to randian. | July 18, 2023 at 8:18 am

        True. I used to have copies of the studies showing no statistical difference in surgical site infections (SSIs) between wearing masks or not. (Retired OR nurse here.)

        Tionico in reply to randian. | July 18, 2023 at 7:57 pm

        the masks are worn in the surgical operating room for ONE reason only.. to prevent nose and mouth dripping non-sterile liquids into the surgical site. Simple.
        Further there is a VERY strict protocol all involved MUST observe with respect to the wearing of it. First they must take a training course to learn hot to properly fit the thing. Then, breaks are mandated after twenty to thirty minutes of use. Get OUT of the OR, scrub up, remove old mask, sanitise face and hands, take at least a twenty minute break to restore normal O2 saturation levels in the blood (the masks DO reduce that level)) then sanitise face and hands again, correctly fit a new mask, scrub again then reenter the operating theatre. WHO out working at Home depot In n out, Mickey Ds, or anywhere else, follows these safety rules? I

      Edward in reply to GWB. | July 18, 2023 at 8:12 am

      Three years? What three years? The local Wally World had a sign requiring masking for about 8 months and didn’t make a big deal about those who ignored the sign. The line to get in and person counting how many people were in the store disappeared even faster than the masking sign.

      Tionico in reply to GWB. | July 18, 2023 at 8:08 pm

      Nah!!! any marginal “help” a mask might accidentally provide is more than offset to the bd side by signfiicantly reduced oxygen saturation levels in the blood, AND dangerously increased carbon dioxide levels. Both lead to eventual brain damage, reduction in reaction time, and compromised IMMUNE system function. Go ahead, study the REAL science, not the Phautchee “science”.

I wonder why mask wearers apparently don’t ask themselves “why aren’t all these unmasked people dead yet?” But this would require thinking.

    Tionico in reply to jimincalif. | July 18, 2023 at 8:04 pm

    Sure. I hve often said to those who get on MY case for going bald0faced somthing lik =e this:

    so you thin those mug nappies actually DO some good? Yes I do.. so if they really WORK, why are you demanding I wear one? If they work and YOU war one could have anything and YOU won’t get it. Ever take a logic course in school? Nah, prolly not. Learning how to THINK would be asking too much.

Working construction often cutting or in air contamination, have a better dust mask with filters and every once in awhile on jobs get told I can’t wear it without a doctor’s excuse note.

I always wondered, when visiting a restaurant while wearing a mask, how I could smell the food being prepared in the kitchen through the mask while simultaneously blocking the much smaller virus particles.


I bet it’s to stop nonsense “masks” like I saw a receptionist at the DMV wearing. She had on a cheetah patterned veil. Yeah, floppy vail like a curtain in front of her face and attempted to make everyone use hand sanitizer before service. I refused. She was stunned then miffed and pointed me towards the restroom to wash my hands. I again refused and told her this wasn’t the second grade and sat down. Got some evil eye but I emailed the State to complain and got an email back saying that was not DMV policy and they would take care of it.

Does this Tran person think that companies should follow California law in every other state too? That just does not make sense.

    GWB in reply to geronl. | July 17, 2023 at 4:37 pm

    Some large portion of Californians evidently do think that.
    Why do you think CA passed those laws on appliances and cars and trucks and everything else under the sun? They know their market is was so huge they could force other people into their choices.

      jagibbons in reply to GWB. | July 18, 2023 at 8:14 am

      That’s why so many products have Cal Prop 65 warnings. This product is known to cause cancer in the state of California.

      Glad I don’t live in California since it doesn’t seem to cause cancer here in the red Midwest.

    Edward in reply to geronl. | July 18, 2023 at 8:18 am

    I took it that Tran really wanted other states to mandate whatever the CA law was. I didn’t think there was any particle of “voluntary” involved in his complaining.

      Tionico in reply to Edward. | July 18, 2023 at 8:15 pm

      There is a case winding its way to the SCOTUS that will decide this matter…. it seems states that simply adopt the Californicators’ laws as their own are seriously violating the US constitution which declares that ALL laws be enacted by a two-part legislative body directly responsible to the voters of that state. They CANNOT simply say “well, they did it so we will just mandate that everyone in THIS state will twoo. Not proper, must be stopped. Each state is guarnteed a republican form of government. Simly passing a law adopting a law from CA is NOT a “republican” form of government. Not certain but I think they were deciding whether to give it cert. It SHOULD happen. Seems California are running the remainder of the country, with NO vote on the mtter.

surfcitylawyer | July 17, 2023 at 7:53 pm

I have seen a couple of people (one last week) on bicycles wearing masks, but no helmets.
Absent hayfever/allergy problems or recent bone marrow transplant, if you are outside, you should not wear a mask.

I personally would like to see more of the mask requirements on people preparing my food as well as hair nets. The mask does not protect the wearer from microbes, but will help prevent the spittle that sometimes accompanies speech from landing on my food. Surgeons wear masks to protect the patient, not the other way around.

    CaptTee in reply to oldvet50. | July 18, 2023 at 9:22 pm

    Wrong. Historically, doctors wore masks to prevent themselves from getting sick and retransmitting to other patients. So, it was more about protecting the doctors than protecting the healthy patients.

    The whole purpose of having everyone wear masks was because if only the people, other than medical professionals, to wear masks were sick people, then mask wearing would get stigmatized, and that was to be avoided at all cost.
    Sick people shouldn’t go to work.

I thought this story was an April Fool’s joke, then realized that we’re well past April 1, and next April 1 is some way off. The whole silly mask controversy gets more ridiculous over time. I thought we were beginning to see the end of the mask-as-talisman era, but apparently not. And since legislators love to pass laws, and bureaucrats (and now employers) love to impose edicts on the populace, there is probably no end in sight. I wait with bated breath (no pun intended) for the next silly news story about masks.