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California Power Companies Proposing Income-Based Rates for Electric Bills

California Power Companies Proposing Income-Based Rates for Electric Bills

The only thing this proposal is likely to generate is more left-ugees.

I recently noted that Los Angeles passed a “Mansion Tax” that had the elites in the area scrambling to sell their properties and contributing to the mass of “Left-ugees” now fleeing California.

The number of left-ugees will likely explode, fueled by the latest scheme now being proposed. Since California’s energy rates are skyrocketing, power companies propose income-based pricing in response to an Assembly bill.

If you live in California, your electricity bill could soon be affected by how much money you earn, and your bill will start to look different by 2025.

Assembly Bill 205 was approved last year, and would break up customers’ bills, while at the same time giving customers relief on their rates. But, Kathleen Dunleavy with Southern California Edison said “This is not a new charge.”

California’s three largest power companies – Southern California Edison, Pacific Gas & Electric, and San Diego Gas & Electric – submitted a joint proposal to the Public Utilities Commission outlining a fixed rate restructuring that would be based on one’s income.

Here are the numbers being put forth for consideration:

Put simply, the more you earn the more you pay for recurring charges (not related to energy usage):

  • Households with annual income from $28,000 – $69,000 would pay $20 a month in Southern California Edison territory, $34 a month in SDG&E territory, and $30 a month in PG&E territory.
  • Households earning $69,000 – $180,000 would pay $51 a month in Edison and PG&E territories, and $73 a month in SDG&E territory.
  • Those with incomes above $180,000 would pay $85 a month in Edison territory, $128 a month in SDG&E territory and $92 a month in PG&E territory.

According to SCE, the fixed rate will cover “the costs of safely building, maintaining and operating the electric grid, of providing customer support, and the cost of state initiatives to help income-qualified customers and energy-efficiency programs.”

The price differentials may seem modest. But this is California we are talking about…so if this proposal is approved, expect even more income-based demands for services of all kinds.

And with other power options being regulated away, the sky is the limit to how high electric bills can go.

Utility customers statewide could feel a brutal financial squeeze as a result of California’s push to transition to a green energy state that depends more on electricity and less on natural gas. Plus, the state intends to phase out gasoline-powered vehicles in a shift to electric cars.

The big problem with PG&E bills, however, is that there’s no limit to how quickly they can rise, in the view of Mark Toney, executive director of The Utility Reform Network, a consumer group that’s also known as TURN.

“The problem is the sky’s the limit for how much PG&E can request for electricity and gas rates, and the sky’s the limit for what the PUC can approve,” Toney said. “We need to limit rate increases to the annual consumer price index.”

Of course, the supply tends to dwindle once the price is controlled.

But, then again, with enough left-ugees, the electric companies might be able to keep up with demand. That is, as long as they can find employees willing to work in California.


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This will work out well

What could go wrong?

Just stay put of Texas, we have too many of you already

    OwenKellogg-Engineer in reply to gonzotx. | April 19, 2023 at 6:32 pm

    My first thoughts exactly: What could possibly go wrong?!

    Are you a native Texan, Gonzo?

      gonzotx in reply to MrE. | April 19, 2023 at 8:29 pm

      50+ years, my husband is, Austin and it was a great town to be young in, enjoyed the heck out of it, but now, it’s a hell hole

        Washington was that way, back in the 60’s when Boeing Defense and Aerospace, together with Weyerhauser lumber, among other big business around the Puget Sound tended conservative even in King and Pierce counties. Enter Microsoft, Amazon and Starbucks and you could hear the ‘flush’ of the crapper within a decade or two.

Can we have just ONE more please? We need another proggie with a pocket full of cash to come buy our house in Austin so we can GTF out of here.

    gonzotx in reply to Paul. | April 19, 2023 at 6:36 pm

    Lol, I know what you mean but if you stay in Texas it’s probably the hill country or east Texas as last stands

    Everywhere and I mean everywhere else’s is blue

    My daughter lives in Weatherford outside of Fort Worth and it’s gone from deep red to purple, next stop blue

    Lots of illegals , tons in Fort Worth, entire schools where English is the second language

angrywebmaster | April 19, 2023 at 6:24 pm

Normally I would say “Would the last person leaving California please turn out the lights?” but that would be superfluous. There won’t be any power on at that point.

What’s next? Income based pricing for : Restaurants? Clothing? Housing?

It “works” in North Korea doesn’t it? Wait a minute, everyone is poor there.

The 10 year amortized cost of a single Powerwall battery happens to be about $90 per month according to my calculations. I wonder how hard it is to hard disconnect from the grid?

    gonzotx in reply to jdchem. | April 19, 2023 at 6:40 pm

    You have to have solar for that right?

    alaskabob in reply to jdchem. | April 19, 2023 at 9:41 pm

    Have you priced the PowerWall lately? $14,000 by itself cash on the barrel head. Add inverter system … about $5000. Add solar panels. Oh and one Powerwall can’t cut it. My system is 7.3 kW, 4 power walls. That can make it off grid …if prudent…. Spring, Fall and Winter…. with gas water and heating. Summer with air conditioner… turn everything off but frig and HVAC. Got ours when $7500 a Wall. Presently, that would be $70K. SoCal where sun makes it viable. Duty cycle important. We planned for off grid…. even to pull water out of air. Only problem…SoCal and the Golden Hoard.

      Ironclaw in reply to alaskabob. | April 19, 2023 at 11:12 pm

      I suspect you’ll never recover that cost if you try to sell the house

      txvet2 in reply to alaskabob. | April 20, 2023 at 12:15 am

      Only way to go is propane, especially in Alaska where the sun don’t shine. My unit is 24K, runs the whole house including HVAC. Will I get back the $21K it cost me? Who cares? When the power goes out, I have power. If the power goes out for a week, I have power. If I feel that I don’t have enough to last through a longer outage, I can add another tank to my setup for a few K more, but my propane provider guarantees delivery and I’ll still have power.

Those paying $20 will never turn off the lights or air conditioners.

It costs more to sell electricity to the rich.

    The Gentle Grizzly in reply to rhhardin. | April 20, 2023 at 9:24 am

    In fact, it does cost more. Why? Because the evil rich have the nerve to pay their bills, so someone needs to process the payment and deposit the checj.


    alaskabob in reply to Camperfixer. | April 19, 2023 at 9:47 pm

    The system is designed to entice the poor to locate in Ca. This solidifies the One Party Rule. With digital currency, Ca could tax anyone who left. Once you have been a resident … you are forever theirs. Thinking of a similar system…. look no further that the Soviet Union.

      Camperfixer in reply to alaskabob. | April 19, 2023 at 10:30 pm

      Good, it’ll further descend into a Third World Level state. Funny how those running this dumpster fire believe their revenue stream is a perpetual motion machine, that they can continue to bleed yet maintain a living host. What is more astounding are the number of mind-numbed residents sticking around who think is this Bravo Sierra is just peachy. Totally wrecked a beautiful state…but that’s what the Left does, like a locust swarm.

      Limbaugh talked about a similar takings move by NYC when he moved to Florida, flying there then back…gets a sales tax bill for the plane purchase that was bought elsewhere. I guess the thieves can ask, but that doesn’t mean anyone with half an operating brain shouldn’t just tell them to go pound sand.

        randian in reply to Camperfixer. | April 19, 2023 at 10:57 pm

        At least Limbaugh could afford the lawyers to fight. They do it to me and it would be financially ruinous to fight.

          Ironclaw in reply to randian. | April 19, 2023 at 11:14 pm

          That’s the point isn’t it?

          The Gentle Grizzly in reply to randian. | April 20, 2023 at 9:27 am

          That’s why the IS will have 87,000 armed agents harassing cab drivers, waitresseseses, skycaps, and apartment building doormen.

          Camperfixer in reply to randian. | April 20, 2023 at 9:53 am

          IRS, another spy/theft program on American’s, you know, “The Little People”, also known as “Peons” as viewed from government high chairs.

          …and they called it ‘good’.

If anyone deserves it, it’s California voters.

Vote Dem 2024!

    The Gentle Grizzly in reply to Q. | April 20, 2023 at 8:58 am

    No. Not all. Just the Bay Area, L.A. and portions of other south Cal counties, and Sacramento area counties.

    PODKen in reply to Q. | April 21, 2023 at 6:07 pm

    I’ve lived in CA for over 50 years … it’s an expensive, oppressive hell hole here. No one should come here to live.

    Don’t blame it all on the voters … the ballot never offers us anyone other than a crap candidate. The D candidates are as liberal and progressive as you can get … the R candidates are dingaling nut cases who can’t tie their shoe laces. Give us better candidates and you complainers will see better results.

As if we needed more proof that California is run by communists

The obvious question is how would a power company legally gain access to private, personal income information?

And how many civil rights violations are being committed attempting to implement this ponzi scheme??

“Jeder nach seinen Fähigkeiten, jedem nach seinen Bedürfnissen”
– Karl Marx

Sorry, I forgot we weren’t in a European Marxist utopia. Translation:

“From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs”

So the math on the battery option for solar now works.

Stop blaming the power companies. This is not their policy, and they aren’t proposing anything at all.

Democrats passed a law, you quoted it yourself in the article above: “Assembly Bill 205”. The power companies are required to comply with the law.

Distribution electric is one of the most heavily regulated industries in the country. No power company can change their rates at all, much less come up with an entirely novel rate structure, without the specific approval of the State Corporation Commission (name of which varies by State) of their State. In CA, this is called the CA Department of Corporations. And, that Dept. itself must be in compliance with State Laws.

We literally can’t even LOWER rates for electricity without a months long process for permission to do so from the State.

E Howard Hunt | April 19, 2023 at 9:55 pm

Nobody understands any utility bill and it’s intentional.

Don’t ask me what I want it for /
(Ahn ahn, Mr. Wilson) /
If you don’t want to pay some more /
(Ahn ahn, Mz. Breed)…

Dammit, that was supposed to be Newsom…

Can grocery stores do this?

not_a_lawyer | April 20, 2023 at 5:05 am

I’m a CA retiree. I figure half the house will become a grow-room and the other half a bitcoin mining operation, Electricity hogs both.

Fixed electricity costs – ka-ching!


Cali needs to stop these insane policies because it is forcing people living there to move out of the state and move to other states, but they bring the Cali virus with them and ruin the area they move to. I know first hand as the clown that bought the house in front of me with more acreage was told he could not drive his semi-truck on the shared easement private drive, he has his own driveway and yet he continued to drive on the driveway. Called him out on it and told him to stop and he threw a fit like a little kid, and he is older than me. Californians need to stay they hell in their own self-made shithole state and reap the rewards of their stupidity.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the end game of all this, is to drive out all the hard-working tax-paying people, rent or sell their homes to the indigent and irresponsible who when they cant pay taxes and mortgages, the city or state sells off what remains at fire sale prices to foreign investors to evict the occupants and renovate the property.

    Hmmm … strange thought – the government using the professionally indigent and irresponsible like a swarm of human locusts to devour the human spirit, wealth, progress – all things good – so they can repossess and resell the property(ies) within their district(s).

    PODKen in reply to Mt. Fuji. | April 21, 2023 at 6:11 pm

    All of us are not as you so ignorantly think.