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U.S. Might Vaccinate Chickens Due to Bird Flu Outbreak

U.S. Might Vaccinate Chickens Due to Bird Flu Outbreak

The CDC already sent bird flu samples to Big Pharma to start manufacturing H5N1 vaccines for humans.

We all know about the bird flu pandemic because of our wonderful Leslie.

The Department of Agriculture has started testing and discussing an H5N1 vaccine. From The New York Times:

At the same time, officials at the federal Agriculture Department, which is responsible for the health of farm animals, say they have begun testing potential poultry vaccines and initiated discussions with industry leaders about a large-scale bird flu vaccination program for poultry, which would be a first for the United States.

Farm birds are already vaccinated against infectious poultry diseases, such as fowlpox. But an avian influenza vaccination program would be a complex undertaking, and poultry trade associations are divided over the idea, in part because it might spawn trade restrictions that could destroy the $6 billion poultry export industry. Dr. Carol Cardona, an expert on avian health at the University of Minnesota, said that the fear of trade bans was a huge barrier to the mass vaccination of poultry.

Avian influenza expert Robert G. Ebster at St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital thinks the Biden administration should vaccinate the poultry population to “prevent the inevitable transmission to humans.”

The CDC already sent bird flu samples to Big Pharma to start manufacturing H5N1 vaccines for humans.

The transmission from chicken to human is rare. It recently happened in Cambodia. An 11-year-old girl died, and her father also had it. They had a different strain than the one in the U.S.

The CDC reported that medical professionals monitored 6,135 people, and 163 had symptoms. Only one person tested positive for bird flu.

You know they’re probably dying for another pandemic. No one in those positions easily gives up power and control. They’re still trying to hold onto any power from COVID.

Sources told The Times that Biden would okay a vaccine if it means it would bring relief to people regarding egg prices:

For President Biden, there are also political considerations at work. Egg prices, which soared in 2022, were 70 percent higher in January than they were a year earlier. Those high prices have given Republicans another opportunity to attack Mr. Biden over inflation just as he is preparing to run for re-election in 2024.

Experts say egg prices could continue rising through the spring, driven in part by Easter season demand but also by supply shortages linked to the bird flu outbreak. And the outbreak may worsen in the months ahead as wild birds begin their spring migrations, bringing the virus with them.


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nordic prince | March 6, 2023 at 7:12 pm

Oh hell no. These people want to vaccinate everything in sight. After all the lies and obfuscation especially over the past three years, I’d say that most vaccines (particularly the newer ones) are suspect.

Why can’t their pharmaceutical factories burn down instead of food production facilities and chicken farms?

Vaccinate them with what? More mRNA death shots?

    gonzotx in reply to Ironclaw. | March 6, 2023 at 8:08 pm

    Yes that’s the plan, so they get in all of us

    healthguyfsu in reply to Ironclaw. | March 6, 2023 at 9:59 pm

    Influenza strains are not retroviruses and may not require the mRNA technology found in the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines.

    This vaccination would be delivered much like a standard flu shot.

      gonzotx in reply to healthguyfsu. | March 6, 2023 at 10:35 pm

      Not from what I’ve heard, they are going full mrna

      Ironclaw in reply to healthguyfsu. | March 7, 2023 at 1:41 am

      Covid isn’t a retrovirus, it’s a beta coronavirus, so by your logic they didn’t need the mRNA for it either, But the reason they like the mRNA gene therapy is the rapid deployment aspect of it, damn the testing, full speed ahead.

        venril in reply to Ironclaw. | March 7, 2023 at 7:45 am

        They want to normalize this type of ‘therapy’ It has other uses.

          CommoChief in reply to venril. | March 7, 2023 at 7:58 am

          That and profit off the new tech. IMO, Pharma is going to try and make everything old new again via mRNA. All vaccines will be ‘new and improved’. The flu shot will be the gateway.

      Dathurtz in reply to healthguyfsu. | March 7, 2023 at 9:56 am

      Why would retrovirus strains require the mRNA technology?

      If virus strains that are not retrovirus strains do not require the mRNA technology, then why was it used for a coronavirus which is also not a retrovirus?

        healthguyfsu in reply to Dathurtz. | March 7, 2023 at 1:24 pm

        I misspoke. It’s an rna virus but not a retrovirus.

        (Retroviruses are rna viruses that use reverse transcriptase to be turned back into DNA in host cells. COVID stays as rna.).

        Whether rna virus or retrovirus, it is theoretically advantageous to make the vaccine raised with rna that mimics the virus rather than the proteins it encodes for. We haven’t seen a dramatic payoff yet with COVID because of mutation rate and lack of information about what it means for t cell immunization (this kind of immunity is difficult to measure).

          Dathurtz in reply to healthguyfsu. | March 7, 2023 at 7:22 pm

          I figured.

          Why would the mRNA treatment be more advantageous for an mRNA virus compared to a traditional vaccine?

          healthguyfsu in reply to healthguyfsu. | March 8, 2023 at 1:56 pm

          Small semantic note. It’s an RNA virus not an mRNA one (mRNA is only made by eukaryotes). RNA viruses have a higher mutagenic rate than DNA viruses.

          An mRNA vaccine has better precision because it can target immune defenses against specific parts of the virus that are key to its infectious potential. These areas tend to be more conserved because mutations to these areas can also cause loss of function to the virus. True, some mutations in this region are tolerable and may be in a “goldilocks zone” allowing the virus to evade the vaccine and still remain functional. However, on a probability map, this targeting curbs the evasion potential of the virus. That is good for all vaccines but especially for those against highly mutagenic pathogens.

          Traditional vaccines inject the whole pathogen as a dead or weakened version and there are several potential targets for immunization. Some of those might not be that important to the virus’s virulence and thus free to mutate without loss of function to the virus. This would presumably make vaccine escape easier for mutated variants of that pathogen.

          Dathurtz in reply to healthguyfsu. | March 8, 2023 at 2:48 pm

          Thank you. I tend to think of them as mRNA because of their action in the cell rather than being made by the cell.

          Is there a primary source for increased resistance to infection due to the targeting of highly conserved proteins? It makes sense, but I can’t find anything that shows it actually working that way. I also no longer have access to any of the major aggregators of peer-reviewed publications.

I hope this doesn’t lead to the return of Dr. Fowlchi.

    The Gentle Grizzly in reply to MrE. | March 6, 2023 at 8:59 pm

    I agree; no more dumb clucks. Maybe some nice chick this time.

      I’m sure Biden has some bird-brain waiting in the wings who just wants another feather in his cap.

      B Buchanan in reply to The Gentle Grizzly. | March 7, 2023 at 10:59 am

      Hmmm, let me adjust my tinfoil hat here. So, if the US gov makes shots against the bird flu mandatory for all chickens, does that make all “unvaxxed” chickens outlaws? Will the gov then search out and destroy home-grown flocks? Will hotlines be established to turn in your neighbor’s illegal hens?

      Looks like I’ll be donating a lot more free eggs to the houses around me. “Chickens? We don’t hear no stinkin’ chickens!”

Avian influenza expert Robert G. Ebster at St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital thinks the Biden administration should vaccinate
the poultry population to “prevent the inevitable transmission to humans.”

Oh hell no.
Probably another “expert” that want a to vaccinate your newborn for Covid

    AlecRawls in reply to gonzotx. | March 7, 2023 at 3:01 am

    That would be a good question to ask Ebster about the Covid “vaccines,” to assess how reckless and in Fauci’s pocket he is. Did he support mass vaccination of children, despite the shots having no medical benefit for them, since they were/are not at risk from Covid?

    Did he put children at risk “for grandma,” something that no grandma would ever consent to, and despite the fact that “for grandma” was a always lie anyway, since everyone knows that escape variants (able to evade the antibodies that the vaccines-induce) evolve within the bodies of the vaccinated, and only tend to become dominant in a widely vaxxed population.

    Vaccinating people who didn’t need it is what squandered the vaccine efficacy that might have helped grandma.

    The_Mew_Cat in reply to gonzotx. | March 7, 2023 at 10:29 am

    That doesn’t make sense. Vaccinating the birds will help the birds survive and help bring down egg and chicken prices. It would NOT stop transmission to humans. Flu vaccines do not prevent transmission. They prevent severe illness and death – just like COVID vaccines. The wild birds spreading the viruses have natural immunity and they don’t die, but they are spreading it.

      Dathurtz in reply to The_Mew_Cat. | March 7, 2023 at 12:54 pm

      There are a tremendous number of experts who aren’t.

      healthguyfsu in reply to The_Mew_Cat. | March 8, 2023 at 2:01 pm

      That’s not true in an absolute context as you present it.

      Vaccinating domestic fowl would likely reduce the spread both among their community and to zoonotic susceptible similar.

      Humans don’t often come in contact with wild birds, so part of the vector chain could be broken or weakened.

What could go wrong?

I sort of wonder if commmercial farming / breeding isn’t part of the equation.

If not this time, then at some point. You create a super breed of live stock- which in turn will have some vulnerabilities which are exploited on a massive scale.

    henrybowman in reply to Andy. | March 6, 2023 at 11:43 pm

    Your livestock will automatically repossess themselves if you’re late on the payments.

    nordic prince in reply to Andy. | March 7, 2023 at 12:32 am

    No doubt a much larger part than most are willing to admit.

    How much you wanna bet these mysterious bird ailments are directly related to factory farming practices?

    Overcrowding, indoors, tiny cages permitting little movement if any, feeding the birds an unnatural (for them) diet rather than letting hunt and peck free range… without question all stressors on poultry.

    MattMusson in reply to Andy. | March 7, 2023 at 7:39 am

    I wonder if the virus is another Gain of Function special?

Subotai Bahadur | March 6, 2023 at 8:30 pm

So I take it that both eggs and chicken in any form will be unavailable in grocery stores, soon and from now on.

Subotai Bahadur

    puhiawa in reply to Subotai Bahadur. | March 6, 2023 at 9:42 pm

    By some strange market quirk, while eggs are $9.99 a dozen up from $3.50/Jumbo at our local Safeway, Organic, Antibiotic Free and Free Range Browns are $5. Every other went up….they stayed the same..

      Milhouse in reply to puhiawa. | March 7, 2023 at 1:52 am

      I’m used to paying $1 – $1.25 – maybe $1..50 for a dozen extra large eggs. Recently it went up to almost $5, and now it’s come down to something like $2.50.

Vaccines or mRNA injections?

VERY different things.

Sounds like they’re going with mRNA injections, like they did with Covid.

This will not end well.

    MattMusson in reply to Aarradin. | March 7, 2023 at 7:41 am

    I had the H1N1 bird flu last time. It included 3 days of projectile vomiting. Two healthy men I knew in their early 50’s both had heart attacks as a result of the H1N1 stress on their system.

The next coincidental! What happens when the worm flu runs rampant through the wormeries! Bug flu? mRNA spike proteins in everything. Paging Charleton Heston…please pick up the courtesy omega telephone. (Will Smith is too slap happy).

Use it on Fauci first.

This is a great idea. Because the mRNA covid vaccines were a total failure at preventing covid, a total failure a preventing transmission, and the boosters not only caused covid, but the chance of hospitalization and death by a respiratory disease increased as much a 59% , according to some studies, I have complete faith they will get it right for the 200m chickens in America at $40/shot.
Complete faith that the chick and eggs will be safe, and complete faith that the Department of Agriculture employees will become as rich as Fauci and the crooks at the FDA and Congress.

They just won’t stop until they rid the world of us, the one pestilence with arms that stands in the way of Utopia.

healthguyfsu | March 6, 2023 at 10:00 pm

If H5N1 mutates to a more transmissible form you should def. get vaccinated. This virus is serious when it does infect humans.

I’m all for everyone having the choice to do what they want, though.

    gonzotx in reply to healthguyfsu. | March 6, 2023 at 10:32 pm

    Right… trust the “vaccine”

      healthguyfsu in reply to gonzotx. | March 7, 2023 at 1:32 pm

      Everyone puts their trust in elements of society on a daily basis. To not do so, would mean to become a ln agoraphobic hermit.

      It’s a tragedy that Dems politicized science for gain and an equally nasty tragedy that some of you will never put your trust in society for medicine again.

      However, you should at least be honest and acknowledge Trump’s failures in fast tracking the whole process with little testing. He owns that 100%. I’m sure you have a built in excuse though. The vaccine is as much Trump’s failure as it is Biden for abusing it’s distribution.

    Ironclaw in reply to healthguyfsu. | March 7, 2023 at 1:44 am

    If it involves trusting the government, never gonna happen.

healthguyfsu | March 6, 2023 at 10:05 pm

BTW, Chicken prices are pretty insane right now. Don’t even bother buying wings at a restaurant that serves anything presentable. You might as well buy lobster or steak.

Here’s the real shocker for me. Locally if I want to buy my own chicken from the most value-driven places in town that are still quality (think like a Lidl), it’s 12 bucks for a chicken.

If I want to buy a fully cooked jumbo rotisserie chicken from Sam’s club or Costco (both of whom have their own chicken farms) it’s $5-6. That defies economic logic, but the club chains are operating at a loss because they know the chickens get people to buy more stuff and turn a profit. Sometimes, it’s worth it to go buy one, harvest the meat, and modify it into a recipe that would have taken you more time and effort starting from raw.

    We buy 2-3 every time we visit Costco. Wifey makes the most amazing chicken stock from the scraps – add some amish made wide egg noodles, some aromatics and it makes the best soup I’ve ever had.

    Ironclaw in reply to healthguyfsu. | March 7, 2023 at 1:47 am

    Meanwhile, I buy a lot of chicken whenever I go grocery shopping because it’s regularly $1.99/lb when you get the big trays of leg quarters, not exactly cheap but less than half what they usually want for pork and beef … forget about it.

    Milhouse in reply to healthguyfsu. | March 7, 2023 at 1:59 am

    Hmm, I haven’t noticed chicken prices being all that much higher than usual. They’re definitely up, but it seems to me more like the general inflation rate rather than anything specific to chickens. I only buy kosher, so it’s more expensive anyway, but prices now seem to be only about 20-25% higher than they were three years ago. And wings don’t seem to have gone up at all. I’m paying $1.19 a lb, which is about what I was paying before all this; and last week I got wings already marinated in a sauce and ready to bake for only $1.69 a lb, which is 30 c cheaper than I was paying three years ago.

      healthguyfsu in reply to Milhouse. | March 7, 2023 at 1:33 pm

      Don’t you live in NYC? Perhaps you have a ceiling effect due to already inflated salaries and cost of living.

    diver64 in reply to healthguyfsu. | March 8, 2023 at 5:38 pm

    .89 cents a pound for a bag of quarters here if you don’t mind cutting them up yourself. I just bought some sale boneless breasts (expired that day) for $1.29lb. Shop smart and food is still affordable.

“U.S. Might Vaccinate Chickens”
U.S. might kiss my chicken’s asses… and they’re pretty disgusting.

Such BS!!!
Bird flu was another lie, as was Covid. This is a ploy to stuff the killer vax concoction into our bodies.. Bless the poor creatures that are the victims of this Globalist aggression. Humans and animals.

And when the chickens start dying from heart attacks then what? Move on to cows? 😉

We’re going to give those sociopaths access to poison our food, too?

BierceAmbrose | March 7, 2023 at 11:05 pm

Sounds like excess jab production come home to roost.

Commercial chicken feed already has vaccines and anti-biotics in it so I’m a little mystified by all of this.

I delivered to an egg laying operation for one of the largest retailers on the planet a number of times. I asked the head guy there what they did with the chickens after their egg laying days were over and if they were sold for food. He told me that due to all of the stuff they got the FDA declared them hazardous waste and they were all incinerated with the ashes dumped in a landfill. Food for thought.

How does an avian respiratory virus infect humans who consume chicken? There’s a reason it’s called a respiratory virus and not a gastrointestinal virus.